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  1. # Session Start: Wed Nov 30 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  24. # [03:14] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 706335 filed by jamie@nvaccess.org.
  25. # [03:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=706335 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Accessible text breaks when quoting header is removed from plain text reply
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  33. # [04:50] <@surkov> tbsaunde: hi
  34. # [04:50] <@surkov> thanks for getting progress on review
  35. # [04:56] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 577213 on bug 703202.
  36. # [04:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=703202 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, ARIA comboboxes don't fire value change events
  37. # [04:56] <tbsaunde> surkov: yw
  38. # [04:56] <tbsaunde> its more interesting than the work I have with a deadline :-(
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  40. # [04:58] <@surkov> :)
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  43. # [05:49] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 576107 on bug 658272.
  44. # [05:49] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 577845 on bug 658272.
  45. # [05:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=658272 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Implement figure and figcaption accessibility
  46. # [05:56] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 706369 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  47. # [05:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=706369 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, don't use nsIContent::GetChildAt to iterate through children
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  52. # [06:07] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 577211 on bug 682770.
  53. # [06:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682770 nor, --, ---, atulagrwl, NEW, nsIAccessibleSelectable::GetSelectionCount should be unsigned long
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  58. # [06:20] <@surkov> tbsaunde: it'd be nice to have bug 699017 reviewed next
  59. # [06:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=699017 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, aria-required attribute on file input not read by JAWS
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  61. # [06:24] <@firebot> roc@ocallahan.org granted review for attachment 577212 on bug 699017.
  62. # [06:25] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok
  63. # [06:34] <@tbsaunde> surkov: do you mind state & states::DEFUNCT instead of ==?
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  67. # [06:34] <@tbsaunde> surkov: do you mind state & states::DEFUNCT instead of ==?
  68. # [06:34] <@surkov> tbsaunde: maybe state & states::DEFUNCT is even better
  69. # [06:36] <@tbsaunde> ok
  70. # [06:37] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I really wish I could think up a way to get around having to State() impls that are copy and pasted
  71. # [06:37] <@surkov> agree
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  75. # [07:02] <@tbsaunde> surkov: in the tests what is the third bool arg you add in events.js?
  76. # [07:03] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I think whether state is set or not
  77. # [07:03] <@surkov> sorry, if that's an extra state
  78. # [07:03] <@surkov> tbsaunde: you talk about isState function, right?
  79. # [07:07] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 577862 on bug 704852.
  80. # [07:07] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested superreview from neil@hushboom. com for attachment 577862 on bug 704852.
  81. # [07:07] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested feedback from marco.zehe@google mail.com for attachment 577862 on bug 704852.
  82. # [07:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704852 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Calculate compatibility mode when accessibility starts
  83. # [07:13] <@tbsaunde> surkov: oh, I see what happened
  84. # [07:19] <@tbsaunde> surkov: isn't the second of those isState() calls wrong? event.isExtraState() isn't a state itself
  85. # [07:33] <@surkov> tbsaunde: good catch
  86. # [07:38] <@tbsaunde> surkov: one more thing you always linked bug 559766 why?
  87. # [07:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=559766 nor, --, mozilla10, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, add accessibility support for @list on HTML input and for HTML datalist
  88. # [07:39] <@surkov> tbsaunde: copy/paste I think, thakns
  89. # [07:40] <@tbsaunde> np, r=me with those 3 things fixed
  90. # [07:41] <@surkov> tbsaunde: ok, thanks!
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  93. # [07:43] <@surkov> tbsaunde: do you need new patch for that?
  94. # [07:43] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 577212 on bug 699017.
  95. # [07:44] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=699017 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, aria-required attribute on file input not read by JAWS
  96. # [07:45] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I don't think so, I'm curious what you do with the isState() thing, but I think the other two are pretty trivial
  97. # [07:45] <@tbsaunde> and hard to get wrong
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  99. # [07:54] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I do two checks:
  100. # [07:54] <@surkov> is(event.isExtraState(), aIsExtraState,
  101. # [07:54] <@surkov> and
  102. # [07:54] <@surkov> isState(event.state, aState, aIsExtraState,
  103. # [07:56] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok, sounds good
  104. # [07:56] <@tbsaunde> we should probably have isState() handle that checking, it seems it might be nicer
  105. # [08:05] <@surkov> tbsaunde, isState is common function, used in other places, it doesn't work with state events
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  109. # [08:53] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 577862 on bug 704852.
  110. # [08:53] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704852 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Calculate compatibility mode when accessibility starts
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  113. # [09:02] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 577557 on bug 706067.
  114. # [09:02] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 577875 on bug 706067.
  115. # [09:02] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=706067 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Make takeFocus work on widget items
  116. # [09:05] <@firebot> paul.silaghi@softvision.ro changed the Status on bug 691345 from UNCONFIRMED to RESOLVED.
  117. # [09:05] <@firebot> paul.silaghi@softvision.ro set the Resolution field on bug 691345 to DUPLICATE of bug 682232.
  118. # [09:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682232 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, "Alt-B-G" combo should "open _b_ookmarks" then "_g_oogle", but it opens a "save as" dialog
  119. # [09:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691345 min, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Keyboard Shortcut for loading bookmark pulls up "Save As" window.
  120. # [09:06] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 577470 on bug 672511.
  121. # [09:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672511 nor, --, ---, atulagrwl, NEW, Morph nsIAccessNode::uniqueId
  122. # [09:29] <@tbsaunde> surkov_: any reason bug 672511 shouldn't get rid of nsAccessNode::UniqueID() as well as the xpcom method?
  123. # [09:30] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672511 nor, --, ---, atulagrwl, NEW, Morph nsIAccessNode::uniqueId
  124. # [09:32] <surkov_> tbsaunde: we rely on it internally
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  127. # [09:37] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, I see, I'm silly for not looking
  128. # [09:43] <@firebot> past@mozilla.com changed the Component on bug 693948 from Developer Tools: Console to Disability Access.
  129. # [09:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=693948 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, expose layout-guess: true object attribute on CSS table accessible
  130. # [09:50] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 693948 from Disability Access to Disability Access APIs.
  131. # [09:50] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Product on bug 693948 from Firefox to Core.
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  134. # [10:41] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 701669 from RESOLVED to VERIFIED.
  135. # [10:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=701669 cri, --, mozilla11, surkov.alexander, VERI FIXED, crash when changing profile in profile manager
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  139. # [11:24] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Hi! Have you started a new try-server build for bug 704852?
  140. # [11:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704852 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Calculate compatibility mode when accessibility starts
  141. # [11:24] <@surkov> MarcoZ: it appears I forgot :) I will do that
  142. # [11:27] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Thanks!
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  147. # [12:07] <Stevef> surkov: hi can you have a look at https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-api-map/raw-file/tip/Overview.html#figure-caption and provide feedback when you get a chnance: 1. is it accurate, if not how should it be chnaged 2. style: is it understandable, how could it be documented more clearly... thanks
  148. # [12:08] <@surkov> Stevef: sure, I will
  149. # [12:09] <Stevef> any general feedback on it would also be appreciated, its meant ot be for you and people like you :-)
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  153. # [12:35] <@surkov> Stevef: I sent you email about that
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  157. # [12:55] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Status on bug 706026 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  158. # [12:55] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net set the Resolution field on bug 706026 to FIXED.
  159. # [12:55] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Target Milestone on bug 706026 from --- to mozilla11.
  160. # [12:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=706026 cri, --, mozilla11, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, Crash in nsXULTextFieldAccessible::FrameSelection
  161. # [12:56] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Status on bug 693948 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  162. # [12:56] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net set the Resolution field on bug 693948 to FIXED.
  163. # [12:56] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Target Milestone on bug 693948 from --- to mozilla11.
  164. # [12:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=693948 nor, --, mozilla11, trev.saunders, RESO FIXED, expose layout-guess: true object attribute on CSS table accessible
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  167. # [13:35] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted in-testsuite on bug 693948.
  168. # [13:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=693948 nor, --, mozilla11, trev.saunders, RESO FIXED, expose layout-guess: true object attribute on CSS table accessible
  169. # [13:36] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested approval-mozilla-aurora from the wind for attachment 577543 on bug 706026.
  170. # [13:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=706026 cri, --, mozilla11, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, Crash in nsXULTextFieldAccessible::FrameSelection
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  180. # [14:20] <Stevef> surkov: mind if i send note about your suggested algorithm documentation style to html mailing list for feedback?
  181. # [14:21] <@surkov> Stevef: I don't mind
  182. # [14:21] <Stevef> thanks
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  184. # [14:34] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Any chance the aria-activedescendant changes could regress the Yahoo! Mail messages list? I'm not sure whether this uses ARIA roles or not.
  185. # [14:38] <Stevef> surkov: sent and ccd you
  186. # [14:41] <@surkov> Stevef: thanks!
  187. # [14:42] <@surkov> MarcoZ: any ARIA related change can regress some product. Do you try build?
  188. # [14:42] <Stevef> surkov: btw are you a member of the html wg? if not would be great to have your input!
  189. # [14:43] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Yes I'd like a try build if possible, thanks!
  190. # [14:44] <Stevef> surkov: you don't have to commit any time, just chime in whenever you feel like it
  191. # [14:44] <@MarcoZ> surkov: The changes look OK to me in principle, but I am wondering whether this is too aggressive a change maybe.
  192. # [14:44] <@surkov> Stevef: I think I don't, but actually I'm confused about what membership means.
  193. # [14:45] <@surkov> MarcoZ: could you say which bug do you need it for? :)
  194. # [14:45] <@surkov> Stevef: how can I do that?
  195. # [14:45] <@MarcoZ> surkov: bug 706079
  196. # [14:45] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=706079 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, ignore aria-activedescendant referent having no ARIA role
  197. # [14:46] <@surkov> MarcoZ: Ok, I will do.
  198. # [14:46] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Thanks you!
  199. # [14:46] <@MarcoZ> s/s//
  200. # [14:46] <Stevef> surkov: all it means is you subscibed to the mailing list and get to vote on decisions
  201. # [14:47] <@surkov> Stevef: ok, I'll check if I'm subscribed
  202. # [14:48] <Stevef> surkov: you will probably need to contact your w3c AC rep (david baron) to join the group
  203. # [14:48] <@surkov> ok
  204. # [14:48] <Stevef> surkov: ask dbolter, he must be good for something :-)
  205. # [14:48] <@surkov> ok
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  208. # [15:06] <Stevef> davidb: morning!
  209. # [15:07] <@davidb> hi Stevef!
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  211. # [15:07] <Stevef> davidb: am encouraging surkov to join the HTML WG ;-)
  212. # [15:11] <@davidb> Stevef: how does voting work?
  213. # [15:12] <@MarcoZ> Morning davidb!
  214. # [15:12] <@davidb> Hi MarcoZ!
  215. # [15:13] * @davidb is on the phone
  216. # [15:13] <Stevef> davidb: if there is a poll for something (not often) any member can (but is not obliged) to vote
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  218. # [15:19] <@davidb> Stevef: what is eligibility requirement for voting?
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  220. # [15:19] <@davidb> (or membership_
  221. # [15:19] <Stevef> davidb: none
  222. # [15:19] <@davidb> ok
  223. # [15:19] <@davidb> Stevef: for voting or joining?
  224. # [15:20] <Stevef> davidb:both
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  228. # [15:22] <@firebot> neil@httl.net granted superreview for attachment 577862 on bug 704852.
  229. # [15:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704852 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Calculate compatibility mode when accessibility starts
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  234. # [15:51] <@davidb> MarcoZ: I'll have vidyo, Skype, and phone going for our meeting.
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  244. # [16:34] <@davidb> almost meeting time!
  245. # [16:34] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah, /me -> call
  246. # [16:34] <@davidb> eeejay_is_afk, tbsaunde, MarcoZ ...
  247. # [16:34] <@davidb> tbsaunde: can you dial into the video room?
  248. # [16:35] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i think the ext is 99369
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  251. # [16:36] <@davidb> tbsaunde: so you would dial in the do 92 then do 99369
  252. # [16:36] <@davidb> hi hub
  253. # [16:36] <@davidb> hub: can you join video?
  254. # [16:36] <@davidb> vidyo
  255. # [16:36] <@hub> davidb: doing now
  256. # [16:36] <@davidb> great
  257. # [16:37] * eeejay_is_afk is now known as eeejay
  258. # [16:38] <@davidb> tbsaunde: are you dialled in?
  259. # [16:38] <@eeejay> davidb, is there a way for me to join or do you need to call me?
  260. # [16:38] <@davidb> eeejay: i can Skype you
  261. # [16:38] <@MarcoZ> Sorry, was running errants and am a bit late. Am coming online in a sec on Skype!
  262. # [16:38] <@davidb> ok
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  264. # [16:40] <@davidb> MarcoZ: ok let me know when you're ready
  265. # [16:41] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Go ahead, am ready now!
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  267. # [16:46] <@davidb> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=703770
  268. # [16:46] <@firebot> Bug 703770 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Mac Accessibility Verifier errors
  269. # [16:52] <@davidb> tbsaunde: are you on?
  270. # [16:57] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Call now?
  271. # [16:57] <@davidb> sure
  272. # [17:00] <@tbsaunde> davidb: notsure if it came through, was on but didn't try video
  273. # [17:00] <@tbsaunde> (was already afk when you saidthat)
  274. # [17:00] <@davidb> tbsaunde: ok great - we couldn't hear you.
  275. # [17:01] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ok, I could only hear some of you
  276. # [17:01] <@davidb> yeah i don't have a good speakerphone mode
  277. # [17:01] * @tbsaunde hates on phones and such
  278. # [17:01] <@davidb> i was called into 8600 on my cell
  279. # [17:01] * @davidb is on a call
  280. # [17:09] <@eeejay> surkov, https://etherpad.mozilla.org/EPOqpRnRMG
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  284. # [17:29] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted feedback for attachment 577862 on bug 704852.
  285. # [17:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704852 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Calculate compatibility mode when accessibility starts
  286. # [17:35] <@firebot> bolterbugz@gmail.com granted review for attachment 577572 on bug 706079.
  287. # [17:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=706079 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, ignore aria-activedescendant referent having no ARIA role
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  291. # [17:38] <jess> davidb: hey so I just googled and found firevox
  292. # [17:38] <jess> is that any good to your knowledge?
  293. # [17:38] <@davidb> jess: hi! firevox is obsolete
  294. # [17:38] <jess> oh lame
  295. # [17:39] <@davidb> eeejay: is working on something better :)
  296. # [17:39] <@davidb> but not ready
  297. # [17:39] <jess> i have this feeling that this group will all have macs
  298. # [17:39] <@davidb> jess: I'm guessing you don't want to require windows?
  299. # [17:39] * @davidb nods
  300. # [17:39] <@davidb> hub: is working on our mac a11y :)
  301. # [17:39] <@davidb> but not ready yet
  302. # [17:39] <@hub> uh, yeah
  303. # [17:39] <@hub> I wish I could tell you it works :-/
  304. # [17:40] <@davidb> you will
  305. # [17:40] <@davidb> hmmm
  306. # [17:40] <jess> me too! but thats exciting
  307. # [17:40] <@davidb> yes very
  308. # [17:40] <@davidb> we are full speed ahead
  309. # [17:41] <jess> well- i might have some accessibility related curriculum to complement that by the time it works :)
  310. # [17:42] <@hub> jess: fast learner? :-)
  311. # [17:43] <jess> ha
  312. # [17:45] <@eeejay> woot!
  313. # [17:46] <jess> I'm going to try to test out this voiceover utility that seems to be built into the mac
  314. # [17:47] * @tbsaunde wonders who jess is
  315. # [17:47] <@tbsaunde> also, jess hi!
  316. # [17:47] <jess> tbsaunde: hi i work on Hackasaurus
  317. # [17:47] <@tbsaunde> jess: oh, ok cool
  318. # [17:48] <jess> I'm writing curriculum for a bunch of workshops on web making in general and want to teach one that challenges you to make a webpage for a vision impaired user
  319. # [17:48] <@hub> jess: the problem is that you have to use Safari or Chrome :-/
  320. # [17:49] <@hub> jess: for now (on Mac)
  321. # [17:49] <jess> ohhh geez
  322. # [17:49] <@hub> jess: that's what I'm working on fixing right now in Firefox
  323. # [17:49] <@eeejay> bbiab
  324. # [17:49] <jess> hub: well now I see why it's so important that you are fixing that.
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  326. # [17:50] <@hub> jess: accessibility is disabled on Mac because it is broken
  327. # [17:52] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Good news: Yahoo! Mail's focus tracking doesn't break with bug 706079.
  328. # [17:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=706079 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, ignore aria-activedescendant referent having no ARIA role
  329. # [17:52] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Bad news, along the last 2 months or so, we must have caught a regression in content updating. In Yahoo! Mail, the messenger contacts no longer get populated, or our tree doesn't get updated, and some other breakage. :(
  330. # [17:53] <@surkov> MarcoZ: file a bug please
  331. # [17:53] <@MarcoZ> surkov: On it.
  332. # [17:53] <@MarcoZ> surkov: And before you ask, I'll also find the regression range.
  333. # [17:53] <@surkov> thanks! :)
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  335. # [17:58] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 706511 filed by marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
  336. # [17:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=706511 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Various dynamic elements of the Yahoo! Mail interface no longer get proper accessibility tree update
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  338. # [17:59] <@firebot> bolterbugz@gmail.com requested feedback from marco.zehe@google mail.com for attachment 577345 on bug 591363.
  339. # [17:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=591363 nor, --, ---, bolterbugz, NEW, (in)visible state is not always correct?
  340. # [18:05] <@davidb> MarcoZ: oh sorry - I asked for a range in the bug
  341. # [18:05] * @davidb catches up
  342. # [18:06] <@MarcoZ> davidb: OK!
  343. # [18:06] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Ouch, it appears this broke early in the 10.0 cycle somewhere. :(
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  345. # [18:06] <@surkov> I wonder if it was we
  346. # [18:08] <@MarcoZ> surkov: we?
  347. # [18:08] <@surkov> MarcoZ: I meant accessibility module changes
  348. # [18:09] <@MarcoZ> surkov: No idea. Fact is it is not broken in Firefox 8.0.1.
  349. # [18:10] <@surkov> I bet regression range will help
  350. # [18:13] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Narrowing it down.
  351. # [18:14] <@surkov> thanks!
  352. # [18:21] <@MarcoZ> This broke between the 27 and 28 September, which coincides with the change from version 9 to version 10.
  353. # [18:21] <@MarcoZ> surkov: ^
  354. # [18:22] <@surkov> MarcoZ: link to changesets?
  355. # [18:29] <@MarcoZ> surkov: In the bug.
  356. # [18:29] <@surkov> thanks!
  357. # [18:31] <@MarcoZ> OK, I'm off for the evening. davidb I'll give your try build a spin tomorrow morning!
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  370. # [20:48] <sfoster> davidb: wanted to say hi. Just talked to James Craig and he reminded me we were mutual aquaintances
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  373. # [21:05] <@davidb> sfoster: hi!
  374. # [21:05] <sfoster> I worked with James some time back at frogdesign on front-end and a11y stuff.
  375. # [21:06] <@davidb> oh nice!
  376. # [21:06] <@davidb> sfoster: Did I see you on the last weekly update call?
  377. # [21:06] <@davidb> I was semi-distracted
  378. # [21:06] <sfoster> yeah, I just started last week.
  379. # [21:07] <@davidb> sfoster: WELCOME!!!
  380. # [21:07] <sfoster> I'll be remote usually, based out of the UK, but over here & toronto occassionally
  381. # [21:07] <@davidb> nice
  382. # [21:07] <@davidb> I actually did a double-take on Monday but then thought my mind was working out
  383. # [21:07] <@davidb> working/wonking
  384. # [21:08] <@davidb> sfoster: sadly I haven't committed on dojo/dijit in ages.
  385. # [21:08] <@davidb> sfoster: where you are sitepen?
  386. # [21:08] <sfoster> yeah
  387. # [21:09] <@davidb> I'm glad you are on pancake, and that you have some a11y background.
  388. # [21:09] <sfoster> we had a few projects where a11y was a priority.
  389. # [21:09] <@davidb> :)
  390. # [21:09] <@davidb> IBM?
  391. # [21:09] <sfoster> the last one was for pearson/ecollege
  392. # [21:09] <@davidb> IBM cofunded Becky, me and Simon Bates for Dijit 1.0 a11y
  393. # [21:09] <@davidb> oh nice
  394. # [21:10] <sfoster> they wanted wcag2 level2 "compliance" .
  395. # [21:10] * @davidb nods
  396. # [21:10] <sfoster> bit of a checkbox exercise for them I think, but we tried to put it in place so when someone came along on their side who did care, we would be in good shape
  397. # [21:11] <@davidb> sad but is often the case
  398. # [21:11] <@davidb> good on you
  399. # [21:11] <@davidb> sfoster: will you be in the London office?
  400. # [21:13] <sfoster> no, I live in Leeds, north of there
  401. # [21:13] <sfoster> but I expect I'll visit
  402. # [21:14] <@davidb> I wonder if we met in person, perhaps in Manhattan at the dojo meet up (IBM headq)
  403. # [21:14] <sfoster> looks like we're heading out to lunch. Are you working out of the toronto office?
  404. # [21:14] <@davidb> sfoster: yep
  405. # [21:14] <sfoster> perhaps a silly question
  406. # [21:14] <@davidb> nope
  407. # [21:14] <sfoster> ok, say hi to olivier and stefan for me :)
  408. # [21:14] <@davidb> will do. say hi to James for me :)
  409. # [21:14] <sfoster> pancake colleagues
  410. # [21:14] <@davidb> yep
  411. # [21:15] <@davidb> stuart was here recently as well
  412. # [21:15] <sfoster> will do
  413. # [21:15] <@davidb> ciao
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