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  1. # Session Start: Fri Dec 09 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  7. # [01:14] <firebot> hub@mozilla.com cancelled review?(surkov.alexander@gm ail.com) for attachment 579814 on bug 707852.
  8. # [01:14] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707852 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, [mac] remove the Objective-C wrapper
  9. # [01:19] <firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 580232 on bug 707852.
  10. # [01:20] <firebot> masayuki@d-toybox.com cancelled review?(bugs@pettay.fi) for attachment 580056 on bug 504586.
  11. # [01:20] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=504586 nor, --, ---, masayuki, ASSI, mochitest-plain: docshell/test/navigation/test_bug430723.html fails when test window does not have f
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  20. # [03:07] <firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 580268 on bug 705404.
  21. # [03:07] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=705404 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, build separate accessible tree on mac
  22. # [03:16] <firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 708927 filed by philringnalda@gmail.com.
  23. # [03:16] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708927 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Intermittent test_focus_menu.xul | Test timed out. followed by tens of thousands of gA11yEventListen
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  33. # [05:53] <firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 580179 on bug 708106.
  34. # [05:53] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708106 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Remove consts for pre 10.4
  35. # [06:11] * @eeejay is tired
  36. # [06:13] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: long time no see :)
  37. # [06:14] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, yeah, it is late there!
  38. # [06:14] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: not nearly as late as it'll be before I sleep :/
  39. # [06:14] <firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested checkin from surkov.alexander@g mail.com for attachment 580179 on bug 708106.
  40. # [06:14] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708106 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Remove consts for pre 10.4
  41. # [06:14] <@hub> I can't wait to get a level 3
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  45. # [07:16] * @tbsaunde wonders if mercurial could be slower
  46. # [07:22] <@hub> bzr would be :-)
  47. # [07:25] <@tbsaunde> well, since hg only sometimes terminates for me I'm not sure that's true :(
  48. # [07:26] * @tbsaunde particularly likes that doesn't terminate thing when its pushing
  49. # [07:37] <@hub> I haven't seen that happening here
  50. # [07:37] <@hub> but I understand your concerns
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  52. # [07:47] <firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com denied review for attachment 580167 on bug 682770.
  53. # [07:47] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682770 nor, --, ---, atulagrwl, NEW, nsIAccessibleSelectable::GetSelectionCount should be unsigned long
  54. # [08:12] <@tbsaunde> ok, finally hg after like half an hour your done cloning
  55. # [08:32] <firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted checkin for attachment 580179 on bug 708106.
  56. # [08:32] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708106 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Remove consts for pre 10.4
  57. # [08:32] <@tbsaunde> surkov: oh, heh, I was just about to push that
  58. # [08:32] <@surkov> :)
  59. # [08:40] <firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 580232 on bug 707852.
  60. # [08:40] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707852 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, [mac] remove the Objective-C wrapper
  61. # [08:57] <@tbsaunde> hub: btw it probably makes sense for GetUnignoredParent() to return an nsAccessible* not an already addrefed one.
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  63. # [09:15] <jhk_> tbsaunde: the patch i attached is for only part one . modifying return types are in part 2. comment 4
  64. # [09:16] <@tbsaunde> jhk_ ok
  65. # [09:19] <jhk_> tbsaunde : 80 column limit crosses so we can't keep that in one line. any idea?
  66. # [09:20] <@tbsaunde> jhk_: ok, you mixed all the sub parts of part1 so I figured you were doing it in one shot
  67. # [09:20] <@tbsaunde> jhk_: for what?
  68. # [09:21] <jhk_> tbsaunde : about merging lines
  69. # [09:21] <jhk_> in side if statements
  70. # [09:21] <@tbsaunde> jhk_: if its going to be too long leave it as is
  71. # [09:21] <jhk_> ok
  72. # [09:22] <@tbsaunde> jhk_: but remove the role_ stuff first before checking
  73. # [09:22] <jhk_> removed it
  74. # [09:22] <@tbsaunde> good :)
  75. # [09:33] <jhk_> tbsaunde : what about xpcom methods. nsIAccessibleRole or roles?
  76. # [09:34] <@tbsaunde> jhk_: nsIAccessible if you deal with xpcom
  77. # [09:34] <jhk_> ok
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  88. # [11:38] <jhk_> tbsaunde : ping
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  90. # [12:18] <firebot> jigneshhk1992@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 580066 on bug 673689.
  91. # [12:18] <firebot> jigneshhk1992@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 580355 on bug 673689.
  92. # [12:18] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=673689 nor, --, ---, jigneshhk1992, NEW, introduce namespace role
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  110. # [14:23] <firebot> masayuki@d-toybox.com requested review from bugs@pettay.fi for attachment 580378 on bug 504586.
  111. # [14:23] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=504586 nor, --, ---, masayuki, ASSI, mochitest-plain: docshell/test/navigation/test_bug430723.html fails when test window does not have f
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  116. # [14:36] <firebot> jigneshhk1992@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 580381 on bug 673689.
  117. # [14:36] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=673689 nor, --, ---, jigneshhk1992, NEW, introduce namespace role
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  120. # [14:38] <@tbsaunde> jhk_: pong
  121. # [14:38] <jhk_> should make files include Role.h.?
  122. # [14:39] <jhk_> sorry mac
  123. # [14:39] <jhk_> .mm
  124. # [14:39] <jhk_> tbsaunde: ^
  125. # [14:40] <@tbsaunde> only in accessible/src/base/ where you need it in the export thing
  126. # [14:40] <@tbsaunde> what about mac/?
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  129. # [14:43] <jhk_> ya
  130. # [14:44] <jhk_> tbsaunde : got it btw. thanks.:)
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  148. # [16:01] <firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 455443 from --- to mozilla11.
  149. # [16:01] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=455443 nor, --, mozilla11, hub, ASSI, cache the parent for the accessibilityAttributeValue(NSAccessibilityParentAttribute)
  150. # [16:01] <firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 703770 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  151. # [16:01] <firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 703770 to FIXED.
  152. # [16:01] <firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 703770 from --- to mozilla11.
  153. # [16:01] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=703770 nor, --, mozilla11, hub, RESO FIXED, Mac Accessibility Verifier errors
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  156. # [16:06] <@MarcoZ> Hey davidb!
  157. # [16:07] <@davidb> Hi MarcoZ, anything big happening today? I'm about to dive into some work.
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  159. # [16:07] <@davidb> I should probably just read my bugmail
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  161. # [16:12] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Nope, just go ahead and dive in. Nothing big. Just wanted to say hi. Still cut off from e-mail.
  162. # [16:13] <firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 457226 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  163. # [16:13] <firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 457226 to FIXED.
  164. # [16:13] <firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 457226 from --- to mozilla11.
  165. # [16:13] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457226 nor, --, mozilla11, marco.zehe, RESO FIXED, mochitest for ARIA states
  166. # [16:15] <firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 706067 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  167. # [16:15] <firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 706067 to FIXED.
  168. # [16:15] <firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 706067 from --- to mozilla11.
  169. # [16:15] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=706067 nor, --, mozilla11, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, Make takeFocus work on widget items
  170. # [16:16] * @davidb spots a bug in his patch
  171. # [16:20] <firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted in-testsuite on bug 706067.
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  190. # [17:37] <firebot> bolterbugz@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 578327 on bug 591363.
  191. # [17:37] <firebot> bolterbugz@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 580427 on bug 591363.
  192. # [17:37] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=591363 nor, --, ---, bolterbugz, NEW, (in)visible state is not always correct?
  193. # [17:42] <firebot> bolterbugz@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 580427 on bug 591363.
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  200. # [18:12] <@davidb> tbsaunde: what is the relationship between object_notify_state_change and firing "object:state-changed:foo"?
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  203. # [18:37] <@davidb> crap
  204. # [18:44] <@tbsaunde> davidb: wag 1 does 2, but I'm pretty worthless, and can't can't check atm, so...
  205. # [18:44] <@davidb> yeah that's what i thought
  206. # [18:44] <@davidb> i mean 1 does 2 :)
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  216. # [19:39] <@tbsaunde> davidb: looks like we're correct
  217. # [19:39] * @tbsaunde less rushed now
  218. # [19:40] <@davidb> tbsaunde: ok thanks!
  219. # [19:41] <@tbsaunde> davidb: this is for specing what we do?
  220. # [19:41] <@eeejay> it would be really useful to know what offsets a text leaf represents in its parent's text interface
  221. # [19:41] <@davidb> tbsaunde: basically
  222. # [19:41] <@eeejay> i should add the to alex's wiki page
  223. # [19:41] <@eeejay> unless i am missing something?
  224. # [19:41] <@davidb> hi eeejay
  225. # [19:41] <@eeejay> davidb, hi
  226. # [19:42] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: I thought nsIAccessibleHyperLink provides that?
  227. # [19:43] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, it provides it for child text interface nodes, but not for text leaf nodes
  228. # [19:44] <@eeejay> ie. <span>This is <strong>some</some> text</span>
  229. # [19:44] <@eeejay> the "some" word is has its own text leaf
  230. # [19:44] <@eeejay> but not its own text interface
  231. # [19:45] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: oh, huh, I thought it did
  232. # [19:45] <@eeejay> davidb, nice pic!
  233. # [19:46] <@davidb> heh
  234. # [19:46] <@davidb> that's from Whistler party
  235. # [19:46] <@tbsaunde> in this thread /me displays how little he knows about the impl of nsIAccessible{,Editable}Text
  236. # [19:46] <@tbsaunde> davidb: meetings are know at 13-30 pdt? O.O
  237. # [19:47] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, ignorance is nothing to be ashamed of!
  238. # [19:47] <@davidb> tbsaunde: hmm
  239. # [19:47] <@hub> hi
  240. # [19:47] * @eeejay is a proud ignoramus
  241. # [19:47] <@davidb> hi hub
  242. # [19:47] <@davidb> tbsaunde: umm, what is the correct time?
  243. # [19:48] <@tbsaunde> eeejay:I only consider it bad because it displays how much me and Alex I guess avoid that code
  244. # [19:48] <@tbsaunde> davidb: 07-30 pdt
  245. # [19:48] <@tbsaunde> is what we've been doing
  246. # [19:49] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, i feel like the work i am doing my put alex's reworking of it in a higher priority. which is not bad
  247. # [19:49] * @tbsaunde wouldn't object to 13-30 pdt, but suspects Alex would
  248. # [19:49] <@davidb> tbsaunde: oh crap yes
  249. # [19:49] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: agree
  250. # [19:49] <@davidb> i added instead of subtracting
  251. # [19:49] * @davidb is multi-chatting
  252. # [19:50] <@tbsaunde> yeah, screw ttime zones lets all use utc ;)
  253. # [19:50] <@tbsaunde> davidb: you wana fix, or do I have to touch the wiki?
  254. # [19:51] <@davidb> i'll check in 5 mins and correct it if you haven't
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  256. # [19:51] <@tbsaunde> don't worry I won't ;)
  257. # [19:53] * @davidb beings
  258. # [19:53] <@davidb> huh
  259. # [19:53] * @davidb begins
  260. # [19:53] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: I just hope surkov doesn't want me to review bug 698823 :/
  261. # [19:53] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698823 nor, --, mozilla10, eitan, NEW, Introduce virtual cursor/soft focus functionality to a11y API
  262. # [19:53] <@davidb> done
  263. # [19:54] <@tbsaunde> davidb: cool, do you really thing dev-platform > dev-accessibility?
  264. # [19:54] <@davidb> tbsaunde: you can always explain why you don't think you should.
  265. # [19:54] <@davidb> tbsaunde: that's the party line
  266. # [19:54] <@davidb> i'm not totally sure
  267. # [19:54] <@tbsaunde> davidb: should do what?
  268. # [19:54] <@davidb> tbsaunde: should not have to review a patch
  269. # [19:55] <@davidb> btw everyone, I still only see one People entry
  270. # [19:55] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ok
  271. # [19:55] <@tbsaunde> I just opened the page :p
  272. # [19:55] <@davidb> surkov is thoughtful in who he asks for reviews though
  273. # [19:56] <@tbsaunde> yeah
  274. # [19:57] <@tbsaunde> its not a I don't think I can its a we will never get anyway if he wants me to say I think its a good idea
  275. # [19:57] <@tbsaunde> *anywhere
  276. # [19:58] <@davidb> i worried that's what you were thinking
  277. # [19:58] <@davidb> we have to be careful to find a way forward on these things
  278. # [19:59] <jhk_> tbsande : did you checked the latest patch I uploaded?
  279. # [19:59] <@davidb> tbsaunde: for example, you could choose to fight the war on curly brackets or the war on Eitan-esque API, but we need your attention in other places too :)
  280. # [20:00] <jhk_> tbsaunde
  281. # [20:00] <@tbsaunde> jhk_: no, pretty busy today :(
  282. # [20:00] <@tbsaunde> davidb: sure
  283. # [20:01] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I'm not actively fighting with that api am I?
  284. # [20:01] <jhk_> ya I know ,no prob. meanwhile other things for me If you have any?
  285. # [20:02] <@tbsaunde> jhk_: huh, there's a bunch of bugs with mentor=blah
  286. # [20:02] <@tbsaunde> it'd be nice to see someone deal with the null args and IsDefunct() checks
  287. # [20:02] <@tbsaunde> (sorry don't remember a bug # off hand, but 538xxx and 429xxx iirc
  288. # [20:03] <jhk_> okay.
  289. # [20:03] <jhk_> I will search it.
  290. # [20:04] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i was just pulling semi real examples out of my sleeve. all is good.
  291. # [20:07] <@davidb> still only 1 people
  292. # [20:07] <@davidb> tbsaunde: yeah you aren't actively reviewing that, so that example was futuristic
  293. # [20:09] <@tbsaunde> jhk_: thanks!
  294. # [20:12] <firebot> bolterbugz@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 580430 on bug 591363.
  295. # [20:12] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=591363 nor, --, ---, bolterbugz, NEW, (in)visible state is not always correct?
  296. # [20:19] <@tbsaunde> davidb: mind explaining how to do the windows syntax?
  297. # [20:20] <@davidb> tbsaunde: sorry?
  298. # [20:20] <@tbsaunde> jhk_: find em? if not I can look
  299. # [20:21] <@davidb> tbsaunde: not sure what we're talking about
  300. # [20:21] <@tbsaunde> davidb: how do I fill out the wiki syntax for accessible/people
  301. # [20:21] <@davidb> ohhh i saw windows syntax and got worred
  302. # [20:21] <@tbsaunde> davidb: the markup ish stuff you have like |bio:
  303. # [20:21] <@davidb> tbsaunde: yeah tables in wikis are a bit gross
  304. # [20:22] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah, huh, sorry not sure what I brain is doing :(
  305. # [20:22] <@davidb> tbsaunde: how about you guesstimate it and if it looks borked i'll polish it up
  306. # [20:23] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ok, I'll try something I gues :)
  307. # [20:23] <@davidb> my brain makes those similar mistakes fwiw
  308. # [20:24] <jhk_> tbsaunde : I will try If I couldn't will ask you tomorrow morning. going for sleep. not UTC :(
  309. # [20:24] <@tbsaunde> :)
  310. # [20:27] <@davidb> jhk_: what time zone are you?
  311. # [20:27] <jhk_> +5:30
  312. # [20:28] <@davidb> ouch
  313. # [20:28] <@davidb> so it is already morning :)
  314. # [20:28] <@tbsaunde> jhk_: so a couple hours after surkov :)
  315. # [20:29] <@davidb> yeah that's about perfect
  316. # [20:29] <@tbsaunde> eastern europe or russia?
  317. # [20:29] <jhk_> Asia
  318. # [20:30] <@tbsaunde> oh, fun :)
  319. # [20:30] <jhk_> specifically India:)
  320. # [20:31] <@davidb> nice
  321. # [20:31] <@davidb> we are all over the map
  322. # [20:32] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ok, added my self, but your going to want to do some cleanup :)
  323. # [20:32] * @davidb goes about that
  324. # [20:32] <@tbsaunde> thx!
  325. # [20:33] <@davidb> tbsaunde: what is epsilon spanish?
  326. # [20:34] <@tbsaunde> davidb: epsilon is ~= 0
  327. # [20:35] <@davidb> ah ok
  328. # [20:36] <@davidb> done
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  333. # [21:03] <firebot> gavin.sharp@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 707633 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  334. # [21:03] <firebot> gavin.sharp@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 707633 to INVALID.
  335. # [21:03] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707633 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, no null-check when some <key> elements are retrieved
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  337. # [21:10] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I really like your new patch in bug 591363, I might have a few little nits, and need to look when I'm actually capable of thinking
  338. # [21:10] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=591363 nor, --, ---, bolterbugz, NEW, (in)visible state is not always correct?
  339. # [21:11] <firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested checkin from bolterbugz@gmail.c om for attachment 580494 on bug 707852.
  340. # [21:11] <@davidb> tbsaunde: that's nice to hear.
  341. # [21:11] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707852 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, [mac] remove the Objective-C wrapper
  342. # [21:20] <@hub> *sigh*
  343. # [21:20] <@hub> hq qpush is just unable to deal with conflict
  344. # [21:21] <gavin> yeah it just invokes "patch", essentially
  345. # [21:21] <gavin> you might have better luck pushing it onto a parent revision wher eit applies cleanly, and then rebasing
  346. # [21:22] <@hub> of course, if people didn't remove curly braces on code I work on for the sake of it, I wouldn't spent half an hour fixing the conflicts either
  347. # [21:22] <@hub> </rant>
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  349. # [21:23] <@davidb> it would be good if we could converge on style. as painful as that has to be.
  350. # [21:24] <@davidb> ultimately it is the module owner's call, so he's the one to send chocolates.
  351. # [21:24] <@hub> davidb: I follow the mozilla coding style.
  352. # [21:24] <@hub> while I actually don't care about any other conventions, curly braces mandatory is a bug avoider
  353. # [21:25] <@davidb> I prefer always using curly braces.
  354. # [21:25] <gavin> there is no "Mozilla coding style"
  355. # [21:25] <@hub> me too
  356. # [21:25] <@hub> gavin: MDN has a document
  357. # [21:25] <gavin> yeah, I know :)
  358. # [21:25] * @tbsaunde disagree
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  360. # [21:25] <gavin> MDN document doesn't match reality
  361. # [21:26] <@davidb> tbsaunde: yeah, surkov disagrees as well.
  362. # [21:26] <@davidb> always has.
  363. # [21:26] <@eeejay> i'm going to do my part in scaring away any kids who want to contribute to moz a11y
  364. # [21:26] <@hub> a short post I did about it
  365. # [21:26] <@hub> http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?2011/08/28/801-a-case-for-braces
  366. # [21:27] <@davidb> eeejay: good stuff
  367. # [21:27] <@hub> after wasting hours on some bug at work
  368. # [21:27] <@davidb> hub: I made all the bug creep arguments before.
  369. # [21:27] <@hub> at least my manager there never argued the braces, he just didn't put them
  370. # [21:28] <@davidb> but ultimately, it comes down to what you are used to I think. if we all follow the same style that sort of helps guard against bug creep itself
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  372. # [21:29] <@hub> it like I would that the whole a11y module build with -Werror on top tier platforms.
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  374. # [21:29] <@hub> (not that it be enabled by default)
  375. # [21:29] <@davidb> i used to do that
  376. # [21:29] <@tbsaunde> I'll grant there \exist cases where braces help, but certainly not all
  377. # [21:30] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i wonder if there is a nuance here related to photon-dependance
  378. # [21:30] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ?
  379. # [21:30] <@hub> tbsaunde: is it more readable for you because it is shorter?
  380. # [21:30] <@davidb> tbsaunde: sighted hackers might tend to prefer the braces
  381. # [21:30] <@tbsaunde> hub: not having braces yes
  382. # [21:31] * @davidb shrugs
  383. # [21:32] <@hub> I guess I'll also stop checking nil on objective-C object
  384. # [21:32] * @tbsaunde goes back to doing something slightly useful
  385. # [21:32] <@hub> since the runtime guarantee its safety
  386. # [21:32] * @hub finally merged the conflicts
  387. # [21:32] <@tbsaunde> if you wrote it right the first time ;)
  388. # [21:33] <@hub> tbsaunde: the code was right
  389. # [21:33] * @davidb sits down, grabs some popcorn
  390. # [21:34] <@tbsaunde> fine, but wrong style
  391. # [21:34] * @davidb throws vim and emacs into the ring
  392. # [21:35] <@hub> davidb: I use Xcode because I start Firefox in the debugger with it
  393. # [21:35] <@davidb> nice
  394. # [21:35] <@hub> and it still had the Emacs keybindings
  395. # [21:35] <@hub> s/had/has/
  396. # [21:35] <@hub> unlike Gkt
  397. # [21:35] <@hub> Gtk
  398. # [21:35] <@hub> that clearly screwed that one up
  399. # [21:36] <@davidb> my current windows machine is a beast. attaching a debugger is instantaneous, all modules loaded like a snap.
  400. # [21:36] <@davidb> i'm a vim guy though :P
  401. # [21:36] <@hub> davidb: that's my sysadmin tool
  402. # [21:36] <@davidb> heh
  403. # [21:38] * @tbsaunde throughs autorewriting types in
  404. # [21:38] <@tbsaunde> man, there are patches I'm not looking forward to rebasing across the PRBool silliness
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  418. # [22:53] <firebot> hub@mozilla.com cancelled review?(surkov.alexander@gm ail.com) for attachment 580268 on bug 705404.
  419. # [22:53] <firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 580535 on bug 705404.
  420. # [22:53] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=705404 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, build separate accessible tree on mac
  421. # [22:58] <@davidb> hub: didn't get a chance to push - sorry
  422. # [22:58] <@davidb> gotta run
  423. # [22:58] <@davidb> have a nice weekend all
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  425. # [23:00] <@hub> I pushed to TryServer
  426. # [23:00] <@hub> I'll get a build
  427. # [23:11] <firebot> hub@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 455443 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  428. # [23:11] <firebot> hub@mozilla.com set the Resolution field on bug 455443 to FIXED.
  429. # [23:11] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=455443 nor, --, mozilla11, hub, RESO FIXED, cache the parent for the accessibilityAttributeValue(NSAccessibilityParentAttribute)
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