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- # Session Start: Wed Jan 04 00:00:01 2012
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
- # [00:01] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, unless you change current functionality, the platform code should not be affected, i think it should be decoupled in that way
- # [00:02] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, for example, I shouldn't need to build this on windows/mac/linux/android to know it is safe
- # [00:02] <@tbsaunde> why? what would we gain?
- # [00:04] <@tbsaunde> so, the way we assert the array is correct is pretty silly, but honestly I think an array mapping an internal role / state / event type to the platform one is probably the most reasonable way of doing
- # [00:04] <@tbsaunde> it
- # [00:04] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, we would gain the ability to develop safely and add features without having to worry about every platform case, and slowly roll out support to different platforms
- # [00:05] <@eeejay> there are ways to safely map stuff so changing the enum length doesn't break everything
- # [00:06] <@tbsaunde> honestly I think its for the most part its pretty much fine modulo the fact we should use static asserts instead of run time ones
- # [00:07] <@eeejay> yeah
- # [00:07] <@tbsaunde> but I think it comes down we have other things that are more important, so patches welcome
- # [00:07] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 714976 filed by hub@mozilla.com.
- # [00:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714976 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [mac] the Role description for the web content is AXWebArea instead of "HTML Content"
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- # [00:10] <@hub> google make the whole Mac a11y business depressing
- # [00:10] <@hub> as when I google stuff about it, our own bugs and problems are among the top results
- # [00:12] <@tbsaunde> heh
- # [00:28] <@tbsaunde> ugh, I do't want to think about how defunct accessibles and pivits interact
- # [00:34] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, pivot is with an o, btw
- # [00:35] <@eeejay> wasn't going to say anything, but since we are probably not going to stop talking about them soon :)
- # [00:39] <@eeejay> be back in a bit
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- # [00:52] <@hub> how does it work for localizable strings?
- # [00:53] <@hub> do I have to ask something to localization?
- # [01:01] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from the wind for attachment 585591 on bug 714976.
- # [01:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714976 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, [mac] the Role description for the web content is AXWebArea instead of "HTML Content"
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- # [01:48] <@tbsaunde> hub: try #developers, I have no idea
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- # [15:06] <@davidb> hi all!
- # [15:06] <@tbsaunde> morning
- # [15:09] <@MarcoZ> Hi davidb!
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- # [15:18] <@MarcoZ> All: If you want to take a look at the agenda beforehand: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Meetings/2012-01-04
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- # [16:14] <@MarcoZ> Good morning hub!
- # [16:14] <@hub> hi
- # [16:16] <@MarcoZ> hub: Thanks for filing bug 714976! In the matter of localization, you can ask pike (Axel Hecht). He's our l10n guru.
- # [16:16] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714976 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, [mac] the Role description for the web content is AXWebArea instead of "HTML Content"
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- # [16:31] <askalski> Hi everyone, I'm just learning to use IRC
- # [16:32] <@tbsaunde> hy askalski cool to meet you :)
- # [16:33] <@davidb> askalski: welcome!
- # [16:33] <@hub> welcome
- # [16:33] <@davidb> Hey everyone, I'm going to the vidyo room, but I know there were bugs filed that the phone bridge was down yesterday. As a backup I'll be in conf 8600 as well.
- # [16:34] <askalski> I'll be there in one minute, I installed vidyo and it seems to work
- # [16:34] <askalski> though not tested it yet
- # [16:36] <@tbsaunde> davidb: well, I don't know about the phone bridge, but I get a busy signal on both the 650 number and the 416 one
- # [16:36] <@davidb> darn it
- # [16:36] <@davidb> MarcoZ: is there an agenda?
- # [16:36] <@davidb> aha
- # [16:37] <@davidb> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Meetings/2012-01-04
- # [16:37] <@MarcoZ> Be there in a minute!
- # [16:38] <askalski> ok, I'm logged in, how to join conference?
- # [16:40] <@davidb> askalski: look for accessibility
- # [16:42] <@davidb> askalski: did you drop off
- # [16:42] <askalski> program crashed, reconnecting
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- # [16:45] <askalski> ok, it stucks at 16%
- # [16:45] <askalski> "Entering Conference"
- # [16:45] <@davidb> darn
- # [16:45] <askalski> tried twice, I'll try to improvise with options
- # [16:45] <@davidb> ok
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- # [16:49] <@eeejay> askalski, i can't even get the linux client to work, so good job :)
- # [16:58] <@hub> to be honest I haven't tried to use it
- # [16:58] <@hub> I heard so many people complaining
- # [16:58] <@hub> I can't wait for WebRTC support
- # [16:58] <askalski> I downloaded .deb from the website I got in a welcome e-mail
- # [16:58] <@hub> we run Fedora :-)
- # [16:58] <askalski> and installed it on ubuntu 11.04, worked out of box
- # [16:58] <askalski> ok. I'm just setting a virtualized build environment for work
- # [16:59] <askalski> should I use fedora as well, or is ubuntu fine?
- # [16:59] <@hub> whatever you prefer
- # [16:59] <askalski> ok. by the way, you got used to gnome3, or you're using something else?
- # [16:59] <@hub> I use gnome3
- # [17:01] * @tbsaunde uses fluxbox fwiw
- # [17:01] <@davidb> hub, eeejay you might want to share any tips on build env… ccache, incremental builds etc
- # [17:01] <@davidb> tbsaunde too
- # [17:01] <@davidb> also, is a thinkpad t500 decent?
- # [17:01] * @eeejay is on gnome3/fedora 16
- # [17:02] <askalski> it's w500, with 6gb of ram, and T9600
- # [17:03] <@tbsaunde> I hope we aren't buyingdevelopers machines with only 6gb ofram now
- # [17:04] <@davidb> tbsaunde: that's his own
- # [17:04] <@hub> my MBP still has 4GB
- # [17:04] <@hub> :-(
- # [17:04] <@hub> (8GB on order)
- # [17:04] * @davidb nods
- # [17:05] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ok :)
- # [17:05] <@tbsaunde> askalski: for incromental builds you need to run make in objdir/<things you have changed> then in objdir/toolkit/library
- # [17:06] <askalski> I will check if the compile time increases much because of virtualization, but if not, I think it should be enough
- # [17:06] <@tbsaunde> askalski: what running natively windows?
- # [17:06] <askalski> no, ubuntu 11.04, and I honestly don't remember why yesterday I decided to virtualize linux in linux...
- # [17:06] <askalski> I just wrote down in notes I should do that
- # [17:07] <@tbsaunde> heh
- # [17:07] <askalski> after conversation with David
- # [17:07] <@tbsaunde> C.C
- # [17:07] <@eeejay> speaking of virtualization, maybe that is how I should run vidyo..
- # [17:07] <askalski> ah, right, I wanted to install some a11y output devices simulators
- # [17:07] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: have fun getting the audio / web cam hand off to work
- # [17:08] <@tbsaunde> askalski: oh? like what?
- # [17:08] <askalski> in notes I have name "Orca"
- # [17:08] <@hub> tbsaunde: audio worked last time I tried.
- # [17:08] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, thanks for those encouraging words.. maybe i'll not do that now :)
- # [17:08] <@tbsaunde> hub: welp
- # [17:08] <@hub> but video via USB might be the glitch
- # [17:09] <askalski> which is weird again, because I can see I have it installed in my main installation for some reason. I think I was trying to open some Orca-specific file some time ago
- # [17:10] <@tbsaunde> askalski: orca s just an app you run on your desktop to read the screen
- # [17:10] <@hub> orca is almost in the default packages
- # [17:10] <@hub> now if gnome-shell stopped crashing
- # [17:10] <@hub> davidb: who is going to the Gtk a11y hackfest?
- # [17:10] <askalski> right. so I guess I need only to virtualize windows
- # [17:11] <@hub> askalski: I think so
- # [17:11] <@davidb> hub: it was going to be alex, but i need to sync with him on that. are you interested?
- # [17:12] <@hub> davidb: yes
- # [17:12] <@tbsaunde> ugh, I'd say I should go but school :/
- # [17:12] <@hub> and it is europe, I have no issue with visa
- # [17:12] <@davidb> tbsaunde: yeah
- # [17:13] <@hub> maybe we can get to fix Gnome-shell for Orca
- # [17:13] <@hub> :-D
- # [17:13] <askalski> where it is in europe?
- # [17:13] <askalski> can't google
- # [17:13] <@hub> askalski: Spain
- # [17:13] <@tbsaunde> spain
- # [17:14] <@davidb> askalski likes spain :)
- # [17:14] <askalski> Barcelona or Madrid?
- # [17:14] <@hub> neither
- # [17:15] <@hub> http://blogs.igalia.com/apinheiro/2011/12/23/do-you-want-to-hear-some-news-about-gnome-and-accessibility/
- # [17:16] <askalski> ok, late January is just before exams at Uni, so I guess not this time
- # [17:16] <askalski> shame, as David said, I like Spain.
- # [17:16] <@hub> Guadec is in Spain this year :-)
- # [17:17] <askalski> what is Guadec?
- # [17:17] <@hub> (the Gnome conference)
- # [17:17] <askalski> where do you get all these news?
- # [17:17] <@hub> in coruna as well
- # [17:17] <sgimeno> uff January in Coruña is not gonna be nice... so rainy and cold...
- # [17:17] <@hub> http://guadec.org/
- # [17:17] <@hub> sgimeno: define cold
- # [17:18] <@hub> sgimeno: and for rain, we already have a metric fuckton of it here, so....
- # [17:18] <sgimeno> cold for Spanish standards of course
- # [17:18] <sgimeno> and wet, very wet
- # [17:18] <sgimeno> around 5º C
- # [17:19] <@hub> 5C isn't cold
- # [17:19] <askalski> btw, where are you all located?
- # [17:19] <@hub> askalski: I am in Vancouver, BC (Canada)
- # [17:19] <@tbsaunde> eastern US
- # [17:19] <@tbsaunde> currently NJ going to school in pittsburgh
- # [17:20] <askalski> NJ?
- # [17:20] <@tbsaunde> new jersey
- # [17:20] <askalski> ok. I got a friend lecturing in Pittsburgh
- # [17:20] <askalski> he left for PhD two years ago
- # [17:22] <askalski> he always want me to visit, and I never have a visa :)
- # [17:22] <@hub> but I thought Poland was in the EU now...
- # [17:22] <@tbsaunde> :
- # [17:23] <askalski> yes we are
- # [17:23] <@tbsaunde> hub: fyi the gnome a11y people hang out in #a11y on irc.gimp.org
- # [17:23] <askalski> even in Schengen agreement signed we can't fly to USA without visa
- # [17:24] <@davidb> tbsaunde: are you luring away our mac developer :)
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- # [17:25] <@hub> tbsaunde: I'm in #gnome-hackers :-) and other channels there
- # [17:25] <@hub> :-)
- # [17:26] <askalski> ok, I guess I go back to work. see you
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- # [17:26] <@tbsaunde> davidb: not particularly, but he seems to be interested
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- # [17:28] <@davidb> i'm kidding. sort of :)
- # [17:29] <@hub> my loyalty is already on Gnome :-D
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- # [17:57] <@MarcoZ> askaltbsauWow, I had to completely rebase the patch for bug 634829 which you asked me review for. I'm building with it locally now, and we'll see how it goes.
- # [17:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=634829 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, NEW, remove nsIAccessibleWin32Object interface
- # [17:58] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde: Wow, I had to completely rebase the patch for bug 634829 which you asked me review for. I'm building with it locally now, and we'll see how it goes.
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- # [17:59] <@tbsaunde> MarcoZ: against what?
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- # [18:25] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde: Against current m-c trunk. It didn't apply cleanly at all, giving me lots of hunk failures.
- # [18:26] <@tbsaunde> MarcoZ: yeah, I gotthat, I menat what landed that broke it
- # [18:27] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde: No idea.
- # [18:27] <@tbsaunde> ok, weird
- # [18:36] <@hub> weird
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- # [18:38] <@tbsaunde> hub_: I'm assuming you want to deal with l1on in the roles patch before review?
- # [18:39] <hub_> tbsaunde: for 714976 ?
- # [18:39] <hub_> tbsaunde: I have an update with localization
- # [18:39] <@tbsaunde> hub_: yes
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- # [18:40] <hub_> yeah
- # [18:40] <hub_> and the other patch about "roles" that you have been reviewing would either need to land first or need to be updated for this one
- # [18:41] <@tbsaunde> yeah, but I don't think that's a big deal
- # [18:41] <@tbsaunde> depending on ordering and wat jhk might do it or I'll just rebase it before pushing
- # [18:42] <hub_> anyway I'll post an updated patch
- # [18:43] * @tbsaunde is reminded he needs to boot windows and figure out why that patch doesn't buld
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- # [19:15] <@MarcoZ> Fucking Windows had a fucking bluescreen.
- # [19:18] * @tbsaunde is curious how MarcoZ knows thats what happened
- # [19:18] <@tbsaunde> as opposed to some sort of random screen reader / crash hang
- # [19:19] <@MarcoZ> With a bluescreen, Windows restarts and puts something in the log that there was an emergency halt.
- # [19:20] <@tbsaunde> oic
- # [19:21] <@tbsaunde> davidb: on the accessibility branch shouldn't we be running mochitest-a11y on opt builds?
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- # [19:24] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com denied review for attachment 582744 on bug 634829.
- # [19:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=634829 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, NEW, remove nsIAccessibleWin32Object interface
- # [19:29] <@tbsaunde> MarcoZ: since the author of that patch is a somewhat new contributor we should probably spend some time understanding what's wrong with it
- # [19:29] <@tbsaunde> which might be that Alex is wrong and we do need what that interface provides though perhaps it can be simplified
- # [19:30] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde: Agreed. I just wanted to signal that this patch currently definitely doesn't work.
- # [19:30] <@tbsaunde> MarcoZ: sure
- # [19:31] <@tbsaunde> just know I have no idea whats wrong
- # [19:31] <@MarcoZ> Perhaps if we get a properly rebased patch from the community author and can throw this against a try server successfully to get some results, I might be able to do some more with it.
- # [19:31] <@tbsaunde> and probably can't figure it out
- # [19:31] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde: Unfortunately I am not sure I can, either. I'm not THAT deep into Windows C++.
- # [19:32] <@tbsaunde> ok
- # [19:35] <@tbsaunde> weird, nobodies touched msaa/ since dec 6 which was Alex landing the compat stuff
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- # [19:40] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde: We don't know whether Andrew created the patch against m-c or an older branch.
- # [19:40] <@davidb> thai restaurants should really start making rice before taking people's orders
- # [19:41] <@tbsaunde> heh
- # [19:41] <@tbsaunde> MarcoZ: true
- # [19:51] <@MarcoZ> OK, am off for the evening.
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- # [20:03] <@hub> I'm back
- # [20:20] <@davidb> tbsaunde: on which opt builds?
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- # [20:21] <@davidb> hmm
- # [20:21] * @davidb is looking
- # [20:21] <@tbsaunde> davidb: macosx64 iirc
- # [20:22] <@tbsaunde> but I don't remember which build I didn't see it for now
- # [20:22] <@tbsaunde> also, ugh all this stuff to star that I don't get
- # [20:23] <@davidb> tbsaunde: are you prepping the branch for some larger work?
- # [20:23] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I wanted a place to try what mgorse proposed as a fix in bug 693343
- # [20:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=693343 maj, --, ---, trev.saunders, REOP, accessibility always disabled in GNOME 3 unless GNOME_ACCESSIBILITY is set
- # [20:23] <@davidb> ok
- # [20:23] <@tbsaunde> where burning the tree wouldn't effect anyone
- # [20:24] <@davidb> i think these oranges are ignorable
- # [20:24] <@davidb> i can re-run some of them.
- # [20:25] <@davidb> i'm re-running the mac oth tests
- # [20:25] <@tbsaunde> I agree with ignorable
- # [20:25] <@tbsaunde> especially since that's just m-c tip as of last night some time
- # [20:26] <@davidb> yep
- # [20:26] <@davidb> i've re-run a few nonetheless
- # [20:26] <@tbsaunde> thx
- # [20:26] <@davidb> np
- # [20:32] <@hub> so I need to add Mac specific localizable strings
- # [20:40] <@tbsaunde> hub: I thought you already di that?
- # [20:40] <@hub> tbsaunde: nope. we don't even have any in accessible
- # [20:41] <@hub> I have the code to deal with it, just don't have the strings yet
- # [20:42] <@davidb> tbsaunde: yeah, mac 64 bit is our first mac customer for a11y tests (bug 524775)
- # [20:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=524775 nor, P2, ---, armenzg, RESO FIXED, Enable a11y and tests on OSX debug builds on accessibility branch
- # [20:42] <@tbsaunde> hub: really? I thought we had some use of the string bundle servce for key names
- # [20:43] <@davidb> yeah in /base
- # [20:43] <@hub> do we?
- # [20:43] * @tbsaunde looks
- # [20:43] <@davidb> i think so
- # [20:43] <@davidb> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?find=%2Faccessible%2F&string=stringbundle
- # [20:44] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I thought the conclussion from that bug was turn a11y on in all debug osx64 and for everything on our branch
- # [20:45] <@hub> davidb: grep only gives me my code and mochitest
- # [20:45] <@davidb> I think the final decision was to turn it on for 64 bit because we weren't in danger of releasing with that config
- # [20:45] <@davidb> hub: grep -ir stringbundle?
- # [20:45] <@hub> ah right
- # [20:45] <@davidb> :)
- # [20:46] <@hub> I missed it because it uses GetStringBundleService()
- # [20:46] <@tbsaunde> what else would it use?
- # [20:47] <@hub> do_GetService("@mozilla.org/intl/stringbundle;1", &rv);
- # [20:48] <@hub> like I was doing.
- # [20:48] <@hub> but changing it right now
- # [20:50] <@tbsaunde> good :)
- # [21:00] <@hub> btw the string bundle isn't under a11y :-(
- # [21:03] <@tbsaunde> hub: you mean the set of strings itself?
- # [21:03] <@hub> yep
- # [21:03] <@tbsaunde> I thought they all lived in one place or something
- # [21:03] <@tbsaunde> proably easier for translators or something that way
- # [21:05] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 585093 on bug 698823.
- # [21:05] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 585841 on bug 698823.
- # [21:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698823 nor, --, mozilla10, eitan, NEW, Introduce virtual cursor/soft focus functionality to a11y API
- # [21:06] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled review?(bolterbugz@gmail.co m) for attachment 582744 on bug 634829.
- # [21:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=634829 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, NEW, remove nsIAccessibleWin32Object interface
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- # [21:27] <@davidb> looks like a11y tests are not happy on mac 64
- # [21:28] <@davidb> and mochitest-chrome is unhappy on 10.7
- # [21:29] <@tbsaunde> davidb: mac64 opt?
- # [21:29] <@tbsaunde> or deug
- # [21:29] <@tbsaunde> *debug
- # [21:29] <@davidb> both
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- # [21:30] <@davidb> IIRC
- # [21:30] <@tbsaunde> I have no idea what's up with m-chrome, but I assume its not us :p
- # [21:30] <@davidb> yeah
- # [21:30] <@davidb> i need clarity in understanding how moz configs work
- # [21:30] <@tbsaunde> ok, so mac64 debug m-a11y is fine on m-c but not on our tree with similar states
- # [21:31] <@davidb> i mean in terms of branch merging and mozconfigs
- # [21:31] <@davidb> right now i'm listening to an internal brown bag will looking at nsCSSFrameConstructor
- # [21:32] <@davidb> will/while
- # [21:33] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ok
- # [21:34] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i can look at this tomorrow afternoon though
- # [21:34] <@tbsaunde> davidb: the repos are exactly the same from my diffing other than build products
- # [21:34] <@tbsaunde> sure
- # [21:34] <@davidb> ok
- # [21:34] <@tbsaunde> I don't really care
- # [21:34] <@davidb> i'm wondering about mozconfig and .hgignore
- # [21:34] <@tbsaunde> for my current purposes atleast
- # [21:34] <@davidb> yeah
- # [21:34] <@davidb> fair enough
- # [21:35] <@tbsaunde> why are you looking at css frame construction? davidb
- # [21:36] <@davidb> tbsaunde: html5 canvas is currently on my mind
- # [21:37] <@davidb> i hate myself for adding the 5 there
- # [21:38] <@tbsaunde> oh, makes sense
- # [21:43] <khuey> there are many dead bodies in nsCSSFrameConstructor.cpp
- # [21:43] <khuey> tread carefully
- # [21:47] <@davidb> khuey: well. i've mostly stopped looking in the mirror.
- # [21:47] <@davidb> but i think i'm half there
- # [21:47] <@davidb> and the frame tree is at least partly to blame
- # [21:48] <@davidb> man i love debugging with msvc
- # [21:48] <@davidb> (not sarc)
- # [21:49] <@davidb> learning gecko via breakpoints
- # [21:50] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 585306 on bug 713792.
- # [21:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=713792 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, stop QueryInterface()ing to nsIAccessibleImage internally
- # [21:50] <@tbsaunde> davidb: why?
- # [21:50] <@davidb> sorry in the zone atm
- # [21:51] <@tbsaunde> the one time I tried (with c#) I gave up and started using printf
- # [21:51] <@tbsaunde> oic
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- # [22:03] <@davidb> ok i can breathe
- # [22:04] <@davidb> tbsaunde: it has a nice UI for getting debugging info
- # [22:04] <@davidb> a couple of windows with tabs and lots of info trees
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- # [22:12] <@tbsaunde> I ... see
- # [22:12] * @tbsaunde likes his command line debugger
- # [22:13] <@davidb> yeah gdb is as powerful
- # [22:16] <@tbsaunde> davidb: did you want me to cancel r? Alex on bug 591363 so you coud land it or can you wait a week or two?
- # [22:16] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=591363 nor, --, ---, bolterbugz, NEW, (in)visible state is not always correct?
- # [22:17] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i think we should land, yeah go ahead and cancel
- # [22:17] <@davidb> risk is low, and we can always backout
- # [22:18] <@davidb> s/and/because
- # [22:18] <khuey> davidb: well debugging in msvc is orders of magnitude more pleasant than debugging in gdb
- # [22:18] <@davidb> i'm not going to argue against that
- # [22:24] <@tbsaunde> I can't really argue against what I haven't tried but I suspect I'd disagree
- # [22:25] <@tbsaunde> but its fairly well know I dislike shiny things :p
- # [22:25] <@davidb> i can confirm you would disagree :)
- # [22:25] <@davidb> ok gotta go AFK for 3-4 hrs
- # [22:25] <@davidb> ciao!
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- # [23:39] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled review+ for attachment 585559 on bug 698823.
- # [23:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698823 nor, --, mozilla10, eitan, NEW, Introduce virtual cursor/soft focus functionality to a11y API
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