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  42. # [10:33] <@MarcoZ> Hi all!
  43. # [10:33] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde: Hi! Is the projects/accessibility branch at a current stateß I noticed you pushed some of the patches there.
  44. # [10:35] <@tbsaunde> MarcoZ: not sure what your asking
  45. # [10:36] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde: Did you update the accessibility branch with latest code before pushing those patches there?
  46. # [10:36] <@tbsaunde> I wanted some place to test the work around for 693343 that wouldn't effect other people
  47. # [10:36] <@MarcoZ> I mean did you do a merge from central?
  48. # [10:36] <@tbsaunde> MarcoZ: yes, I pushed m-c there first
  49. # [10:36] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde: Cool thanks!
  50. # [10:37] <@tbsaunde> I didn't need to merge, it was a fast forward
  51. # [10:37] * @MarcoZ nods.
  52. # [10:37] <@tbsaunde> yw
  53. # [10:37] <@tbsaunde> basically once I had one patch there that I needed to merge I figured I'd just push the rest of the stuff I need to land
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  62. # [13:01] <Stevef> morning all
  63. # [13:02] <Stevef> is there any resource that provides roadmap of planned html5 feature implementation? specifically looking for info on details/summary elements
  64. # [13:04] <Stevef> checked bugzilla but found nothing
  65. # [13:08] <@MarcoZ> Stevef: Your best bet is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=568516&hide_resolved=1
  66. # [13:09] <@MarcoZ> Stevef: As soon as an element is implemented in our layout engine, we get pinged so we can provide proper accessibility support for it. So first it needs to be supported in content/layout, and then in a11y.
  67. # [13:19] <Stevef> MarcoZ: sure thanks
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  83. # [16:03] <@davidb> tbsaunde: thanks for landing my patch
  84. # [16:03] <@davidb> hi all!
  85. # [16:08] <richardschwerdtfeger> GM
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  97. # [17:38] <@davidb> i dislike all macros that i didn't write
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  100. # [17:52] <@eeejay> buenos dias
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  102. # [17:55] <@davidb> heyo
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  105. # [18:13] <@MarcoZ> davidb: So tbsaunde landed stuff on the accessibility branch. Do we need to go through Inbound for merging it back, or can we go straight to m-c.
  106. # [18:15] <@davidb> I'd go inbound, so no need to watch tree
  107. # [18:15] <@davidb> how much stuff is on our branch?
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  116. # [19:37] <@davidb> hub: ready?
  117. # [20:00] <@davidb> eeejay: does that #a11y chat throw any kinks into the mix?
  118. # [20:01] <@davidb> (gnome #a11y)
  119. # [20:01] <@eeejay> davidb, not at all
  120. # [20:01] <@davidb> great!
  121. # [20:01] <@eeejay> davidb, it is just encouraging that desktop is trying to solve a similar problem, so it really dovetails
  122. # [20:01] <@davidb> agreed
  123. # [20:02] <@davidb> i just hope it doesn't invoke too much API bikeshedding
  124. # [20:02] <@davidb> just the right amount would be nice :)
  125. # [20:04] <@davidb> meeting time!
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  130. # [20:28] <@tbsaunde> davidb: meeting time?
  131. # [20:28] <@davidb> weekly update meeting
  132. # [20:28] <@tbsaunde> davidb: meeting time?
  133. # [20:29] <@davidb> every week Monday at 2pm EST
  134. # [20:29] <@tbsaunde> davidb: meeting time?
  135. # [20:29] <@davidb> echo?
  136. # [20:29] <@tbsaunde> kerg, was scrolled up and thought my keyboard was jammed
  137. # [20:30] <@tbsaunde> oh, yeah that
  138. # [20:30] <@tbsaunde> btw pretty sure merges need to go directly to m-c :\
  139. # [20:31] <@davidb> oh
  140. # [20:31] <@davidb> ok
  141. # [20:32] <@davidb> why?
  142. # [20:33] <@tbsaunde> I seem to remember someone writing to dev-platform saying to do it that way not really sure, but I'd gues because of some sort of mercurial thing
  143. # [20:36] <@davidb> MarcoZ: ^
  144. # [20:37] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde: davidb: Ah OK!
  145. # [20:55] <@davidb> firebot: sleeping?
  146. # [20:55] <@firebot> davidb: Sorry, I've no idea what 'sleeping' might be.
  147. # [20:55] <@davidb> I know how you feel.
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  154. # [21:26] <@tbsaunde> davidb: so, if you dislike macros how would you feel about expandoifying at least some of roles states and event types?
  155. # [21:27] <@davidb> which?
  156. # [21:27] <@tbsaunde> I mean do the same thing with the declarations as we do for atoms
  157. # [21:28] <@davidb> I'd be totally fine with that
  158. # [21:28] <@tbsaunde> so instead of several arrays / enums for role types you'd have
  159. # [21:28] <@tbsaunde> ROLE(BUTTON, IA!_BUTTON, ATK_BUTTON, "button")
  160. # [21:29] <@tbsaunde> ok, I think I'll file bugs then
  161. # [21:30] <@davidb> wait
  162. # [21:30] <@davidb> ok
  163. # [21:30] <@davidb> i'll check the bugs to be sure i understand.
  164. # [21:30] <@tbsaunde> I'm not in any real hurry
  165. # [21:30] <@davidb> go ahead
  166. # [21:30] <@tbsaunde> I probably won't get to it for a couple ours
  167. # [21:30] <@davidb> bugs are cheap
  168. # [21:31] <@davidb> ok
  169. # [21:32] <@tbsaunde> but it really is the same thing we do with atoms modulo the exact definitions of the macro and how many arguments it takes
  170. # [21:33] <@tbsaunde> anyway, I'm going to go eat then start landing stuff then deal with other stuff
  171. # [21:41] <@davidb> good stuff
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  175. # [22:05] <@tbsaunde> firebot: are you asleep?
  176. # [22:05] <@firebot> tbsaunde: Sorry, I've no idea what 'are you asleep' might be.
  177. # [22:06] <@tbsaunde> davidb: bug 716644
  178. # [22:08] <@davidb> and answered
  179. # [22:12] <@tbsaunde> ok, I'd consider calling it a good first bug, but dealing with cpp can get interesting if things don't go as expected
  180. # [22:12] <@tbsaunde> davidb: but I might see if I can just write a patch tonight
  181. # [22:13] <@davidb> sweet!
  182. # [22:13] <@tbsaunde> well, actually I should land the roles patch first of course :)
  183. # [22:28] <@davidb> tbsaunde: drive by reviews are fine BTW
  184. # [22:28] <@davidb> bug 539699
  185. # [22:29] <@davidb> and r+ or r- from a non-peer might not be enough to allow landing, or prevent landing, but all reviews should be encouraged
  186. # [22:29] <@davidb> unless/until there is a problem
  187. # [22:30] <@davidb> in general, as a project, we shouldn't discourage people proactively reviewing code unless it becomes a problem.
  188. # [22:32] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ys, I am fine with reviewing
  189. # [22:32] <@tbsaunde> but I think fiddling with flags if they don't mean anything confuses things
  190. # [22:32] <@davidb> oh is that what happened?
  191. # [22:32] <@tbsaunde> *yes
  192. # [22:33] <@tbsaunde> I'm not sure
  193. # [22:33] <@tbsaunde> if anyone was confused in that case, but I believe it to be a risk
  194. # [22:33] <@davidb> oh, perhaps it had an r+ with no name next to it?
  195. # [22:33] <@davidb> it is too bad bugzilla doesn't solve this… make it clear about the status of the patch in terms of land-ability
  196. # [22:34] <@tbsaunde> I guess? but then it would have to know who can review what
  197. # [22:35] <@tbsaunde> but otherwise why can't we just use r+ to mean can land?
  198. # [22:36] <@davidb> because we want to encourage reviews
  199. # [22:36] <@tbsaunde> not actually land, but "I would be ok with something very similar landing"
  200. # [22:36] <@davidb> was that the case here?
  201. # [22:37] <@davidb> I'm not sure.
  202. # [22:37] <@tbsaunde> to allow for fixing small build bustage on one platform or rebasing
  203. # [22:37] <@tbsaunde> I'm not sure what you mean?
  204. # [22:37] <@davidb> Was hub saying "I would be ok with this patch landing"?
  205. # [22:38] <@tbsaunde> I'm not sure what he was saying
  206. # [22:38] <@davidb> I still think bugzilla should solve this.
  207. # [22:38] <@davidb> heheh
  208. # [22:38] <@davidb> I'll ask him when he's active
  209. # [22:38] <@tbsaunde> although I guess a better meaning is I would be ok with, but it is ok if this patch lands
  210. # [22:39] <@hub> yeah I was fine with it, I reviewed the change he had made following the comment
  211. # [22:39] <@davidb> ok
  212. # [22:40] <@davidb> I can see the concern about random people r+ing things and people mistakenly landing them.
  213. # [22:41] <@davidb> I'd rather be more open to it until it becomes a problem.
  214. # [22:41] <@davidb> for now
  215. # [22:41] <@davidb> and of course… i gotta run
  216. # [22:41] <@tbsaunde> what does fliping the flag get you though?
  217. # [22:41] <@davidb> it tells people you think this is good.
  218. # [22:42] <@tbsaunde> isn't the comment enough for that?
  219. # [22:42] <@davidb> sometimes
  220. # [22:42] <@davidb> when the tree is burning, it can be helpful to know who has looked at the patch quickly
  221. # [22:42] <@davidb> having r=foo,bar,bash is nice
  222. # [22:42] <@tbsaunde> hm?
  223. # [22:42] <@hub> my r+ was taking into account tbsaunde previous r+
  224. # [22:42] <@davidb> ah
  225. # [22:43] <@davidb> hub: so were you doing it by proxy sort of?
  226. # [22:43] <@hub> I was trying to help given the amount of patches to review
  227. # [22:43] <@hub> :-)
  228. # [22:43] <@davidb> man i gotta run
  229. # [22:43] <@davidb> that should be encouraged :)
  230. # [22:43] <@tbsaunde> so, in that case you could just cancel the request because it wasn't needed in the first place
  231. # [22:43] <@hub> I gotta run too, to the office
  232. # [22:44] <@davidb> ok let's sleep on it
  233. # [22:44] <@davidb> no big deal
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  235. # [22:45] <@davidb> tbsaunde: so what i want, is for people to be able to spend the time reviewing patches when the spirit moves them, but for it not to cause confusion.
  236. # [22:45] <@davidb> ok really gotta run
  237. # [22:45] <@davidb> ciao!
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