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  1. # Session Start: Tue Jan 17 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  6. # [00:33] <davidb_> tbsaunde: old drawing modes… like ones that allow gdi hooks
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  8. # [00:39] <@tbsaunde> davidb_: ok, I assumed you meant something like that, but it seemed like weird language
  9. # [00:39] <davidb_> ok
  10. # [00:39] <davidb_> tbsaunde: btw, I'm not sure I know what they are asking for… especially since there is no response to your reply.
  11. # [00:40] <@tbsaunde> davidb_: yeah, me either
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  28. # [04:42] <firebot> bugspam.Callek@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 717862 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  29. # [04:42] <firebot> bugspam.Callek@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 717862 to FIXED.
  30. # [04:42] <firebot> bugspam.Callek@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 717862 from --- to mozilla12.
  31. # [04:42] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=717862 nor, --, mozilla12, ginn.chen, RESO FIXED, Error: Goto dbus_done bypasses a variable (or an exception) initialization.
  32. # [04:48] <firebot> bugspam.Callek@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 715857 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  33. # [04:48] <firebot> bugspam.Callek@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 715857 to FIXED.
  34. # [04:48] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=715857 nor, --, mozilla12, dao, RESO FIXED, Disable a11y tests that put <tabbrowser> in random XUL documents and expect it to work
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  43. # [08:13] <@firebot> fmdevelopertim@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 575055 from UNCONFIRMED to RESOLVED.
  44. # [08:13] <@firebot> fmdevelopertim@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 575055 to INCOMPLETE.
  45. # [08:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=575055 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO INCOMPLETE, Pressing "Ctrl+Tab" doesn't cycle through Tabs
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  71. # [14:38] <@MarcoZ> Hi all!
  72. # [14:38] * @MarcoZ is testing the newest Mac try-server build.
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  75. # [14:50] <jhk> hi MarkoZ:)
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  77. # [14:57] <@MarcoZ> jhk: Hi!
  78. # [15:07] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 718624 filed by marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
  79. # [15:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718624 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Mac] Routing Focus and Mouse pointer to VoiceOver cursor does not work on web pages, works in dialo
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  83. # [15:14] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 718625 filed by marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
  84. # [15:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718625 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Mac] VoiceOver says "text" after each chunk of text it reads inside paragraphs, does not do that in
  85. # [15:21] <@MarcoZ> Hi davidb!
  86. # [15:21] <@davidb> hi MarcoZ!
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  88. # [15:25] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 718627 filed by marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
  89. # [15:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718627 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Mac] Navigating by character, or interacting with, the text in the awesome bar does not speak the c
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  96. # [15:37] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 718633 filed by marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
  97. # [15:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718633 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Mac] Links inside headings are prepresented by an "object replacement character", their text should
  98. # [15:40] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 718637 filed by marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
  99. # [15:40] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718637 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Mac] Firefox doesn't tell VoiceOver when a page has finished loading.
  100. # [15:42] * @MarcoZ is having fun filing bugs and testing.
  101. # [15:47] <@davidb> MarcoZ: I saw the mac ones :)
  102. # [15:47] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Yes those are the ones I'm referring to.
  103. # [15:57] <@tbsaunde> I see we need to get serious about the tree flatening stuff
  104. # [16:01] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde: I was thinking the same thing.
  105. # [16:01] <@davidb> removing the embedded character hack?
  106. # [16:02] <@tbsaunde> davidb: for hyper links at least
  107. # [16:02] <@davidb> i'm not against it
  108. # [16:02] <@davidb> hmm
  109. # [16:03] <@tbsaunde> joanie won't be either, but we need to see about Jamie
  110. # [16:03] <@tbsaunde> and see how jaws and the other comercial screen readers fiar :\
  111. # [16:03] <@davidb> Jamie should be okay with it, but we should do the work before Q4
  112. # [16:03] <@davidb> to align with the NVDA contract
  113. # [16:03] <@tbsaunde> why before q4?
  114. # [16:03] <@tbsaunde> rok
  115. # [16:04] <@tbsaunde> err, ok
  116. # [16:04] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I thought Jamie was somewhat concerned about the idea?
  117. # [16:04] <@davidb> It is a bit disruptive
  118. # [16:05] <@tbsaunde> true
  119. # [16:05] <@davidb> but better in the long term I suspect
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  121. # [16:05] <@tbsaunde> yeah, I'd probably agree
  122. # [16:05] <@tbsaunde> probably another thing for Alex to deal
  123. # [16:05] <@davidb> MarcoZ: put it on the agenda?
  124. # [16:05] <@tbsaunde> with
  125. # [16:06] <@davidb> Alex would undoubtedly be involved
  126. # [16:06] <@davidb> I still remember the first time I encountered the embedded character hack from the AT side.
  127. # [16:07] <@tbsaunde> heh
  128. # [16:07] <@tbsaunde> I'd be interested in the history maybe, but go to run
  129. # [16:07] * tbsaunde is now known as tbsaunde|afk
  130. # [16:07] <@davidb> np
  131. # [16:10] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde|afk: For the history and the initial reasoning, which may no longer be valid, you'd have to ask aaronlev when he's here next time.
  132. # [16:15] <@davidb> yup
  133. # [16:16] <@davidb> or bugzilla forensics
  134. # [16:16] <@davidb> MarcoZ: we'll want it on the agenda next week I think.
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  140. # [16:49] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Status on bug 686433 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  141. # [16:49] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net set the Resolution field on bug 686433 to FIXED.
  142. # [16:49] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Target Milestone on bug 686433 from --- to mozilla12.
  143. # [16:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=686433 nor, --, mozilla12, jigneshhk1992, RESO FIXED, move out nsXULSelectableAccessible class from nsXULMenuAccessible.h file
  144. # [16:50] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Status on bug 717689 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  145. # [16:50] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net set the Resolution field on bug 717689 to FIXED.
  146. # [16:50] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Target Milestone on bug 717689 from --- to mozilla12.
  147. # [16:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=717689 nor, --, mozilla12, trev.saunders, RESO FIXED, unneeded nsCOMPtrs to nsAccessibles
  148. # [16:50] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Status on bug 717683 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  149. # [16:50] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net set the Resolution field on bug 717683 to FIXED.
  150. # [16:50] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Target Milestone on bug 717683 from --- to mozilla12.
  151. # [16:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=717683 nor, --, mozilla12, trev.saunders, RESO FIXED, get rid of nsIAccessibleDocument uses
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  155. # [17:12] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I added the tree flattening/embedded char removal stuff here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/2012CorePicture#API_implementation
  156. # [17:14] <@davidb> groovy
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  159. # [17:20] <@MarcoZ> Good morning hub!
  160. # [17:20] <@davidb> heyop
  161. # [17:21] <@davidb> -p
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  163. # [17:27] <@MarcoZ> Hub: Hey, you've given me something I can really test extensively! As you can see in the number of bug reports that I filed today. :)
  164. # [17:28] <@hub> ouch
  165. # [17:28] <@hub> :-)
  166. # [17:29] <@MarcoZ> hub: No, don't ouch, this is great stuff you're doing!
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  171. # [17:58] * @tbsaunde args at davidb using decimal when talking about a bit field
  172. # [17:59] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i was misunderstanding something about:telemetry was showing me
  173. # [18:01] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah, I saw your next comment
  174. # [18:02] <@tbsaunde> my comment had nothing to do with the specifics just if I'm thinking about bit fields I expect hex
  175. # [18:02] <@davidb> heh i think binary
  176. # [18:03] <@tbsaunde> sure, but binary -> hex -> binary is a lot easier than decimal -> binary -> decimal
  177. # [18:03] <@tbsaunde> and C has hex but not binary
  178. # [18:09] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 718690 filed by marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
  179. # [18:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718690 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Mac] Various form element states not communicated to VoiceOver
  180. # [18:12] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 718692 filed by marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
  181. # [18:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718692 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Mac] An element with WAI-ARIA role "alert" is communicated as being a "window", and its contents is
  182. # [18:13] <@hub> MarcoZ is on a rampage
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  184. # [18:16] <@MarcoZ> hub: Really just taking notes. ;)
  185. # [18:16] * @MarcoZ doesn't want to know how many bugs there actually are closed that deal with many of the same issues for MSAA/ISimpleDOM. ;)
  186. # [18:17] <@MarcoZ> hub: Once I finish this rampage, I will go through and prioritize them according to how urgently they need to be implemented.
  187. # [18:18] <@MarcoZ> hub: For example, that alert thing doesn't need to be fixed right away in order for Firefox to be generally very usable for VoiceOver users.
  188. # [18:18] <@hub> that will help. So I can decided whether I start with coffee, beer or scotch
  189. # [18:18] <@MarcoZ> LOL
  190. # [18:20] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 718700 filed by marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
  191. # [18:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718700 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Mac] WAI-ARIA landmarks are not communicated to VoiceOver.
  192. # [18:20] <@tbsaunde> :q
  193. # [18:26] * tbsaunde is now known as tbsaunde|afk
  194. # [18:27] * @eeejay waves
  195. # [18:28] <@MarcoZ> Hi eeejay!
  196. # [18:29] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, guten morning!
  197. # [18:36] <@davidb> heyo
  198. # [18:38] * tbsaunde|afk is now known as tbsaunde
  199. # [18:38] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: All things sorted for CSUN? :)
  200. # [18:39] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, yeah, i think so. you?
  201. # [18:39] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Yes. Hotel and flights.
  202. # [18:39] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: And my part of the talk...Yeah well, will be hands-on. :)
  203. # [18:40] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, cool, should be great!
  204. # [18:40] <@eeejay> I need to do my part and have something useful on android..
  205. # [18:42] <@davidb> eeejay: are the patches on bug 698823 all up to date with respect to addressing existing comments?
  206. # [18:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698823 nor, --, mozilla10, eitan, NEW, Introduce virtual cursor/soft focus functionality to a11y API
  207. # [18:42] <@eeejay> davidb, yep
  208. # [18:42] <@davidb> nice
  209. # [18:43] <@eeejay> is surkov back?
  210. # [18:43] <@davidb> should be back full speed on the 24th or so
  211. # [18:43] <@davidb> he's in Spain tomorrow
  212. # [18:43] <@davidb> Moscow->Spain today
  213. # [18:43] <@davidb> If you get a Neil r+ that will be great.
  214. # [18:45] <@tbsaunde> davidb: its noting those patches are all pretty complex and touch all sorts of things which are complex :/
  215. # [18:45] * @davidb nods
  216. # [18:49] <@firebot> bolterbugz@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 589225 on bug 678965.
  217. # [18:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678965 nor, --, ---, bolterbugz, NEW, telemetry for injected screen reader dll's
  218. # [18:52] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, on the other hand, this is a stand-alone feature that does not affect the rest of the code-base, so it could mature incrementally without affecting anything else.
  219. # [18:54] <@hub> eeejay, MarcoZ: when do you guys arrive and leave for CSUN?
  220. # [18:54] * @eeejay checks
  221. # [18:54] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: I'm not sure I understand what you want
  222. # [18:54] <@eeejay> hub, coming in 28th morning, leaving 3rd in the afternoon
  223. # [18:55] <@hub> ok.
  224. # [18:55] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, just saying that those patches don't throw our entire stack into chaos
  225. # [18:55] <@hub> I was pondering afternonn flight on Sat or Sunday flight, but then the stupid egencia wants to charge more for NOT flying out at 6 AM
  226. # [18:56] <@hub> on Sunday
  227. # [18:56] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: sure, but I don't think that really effects evaluating there correctness
  228. # [18:56] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, sure
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  230. # [19:03] <@hub> davidb: the Mac guys (smichaud in that case) suggest that we post in mozilla.dev.platform and/or mozilla.dev.planning but the Mac a11y progress that MarcoZ blogged about
  231. # [19:04] <@davidb> hub: sounds neat, do we have a specific purpose?
  232. # [19:04] <@davidb> doh i haven't read the blog!
  233. # [19:04] <@hub> not sure. just to give the heads up for planning I suppose
  234. # [19:06] <@davidb> sure
  235. # [19:08] * @davidb tweets
  236. # [19:09] * @davidb deletes that one and redoes it
  237. # [19:11] <@eeejay> hehe
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  245. # [19:48] <@davidb> hub, MarcoZ, we should have a target for when we want to ship FF OSX with a11y built in.
  246. # [19:48] <@davidb> our Q1 goal isn't precisely this.
  247. # [19:48] <@hub> and a plan to enable it for wild testing with possibility to revert
  248. # [19:48] <@davidb> yes.
  249. # [19:49] <@hub> like enable it for Aurora N and if at the time of beta it does not satisfy, disable it
  250. # [19:49] <@davidb> hub: or is there a clean way to pref off the engine activation?
  251. # [19:49] <@MarcoZ> hub: I arrive on the evening of the 28th of Feb, and leave early morning March 4 (Sunday).
  252. # [19:49] <@hub> we should be able to do that too
  253. # [19:49] <@hub> MarcoZ: ok. thanks
  254. # [19:52] * @MarcoZ was thinking 13 could be our lucky number.
  255. # [19:52] <@MarcoZ> I think 12 is too premature for having it enabled in nightlies, but having iit enabled after the next merge (which puts nightlies on number 13) would be cool.
  256. # [19:53] <@MarcoZ> hub: davidb: ^
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  259. # [19:56] <@davidb> 13 or 14 yeah
  260. # [19:56] <@davidb> 13 is a good target
  261. # [20:00] <@MarcoZ> davidb: This patch looks nice and small! :D
  262. # [20:03] <@MarcoZ> davidb: hub: Wow, quite some comments on both my English and German blog posts about Mac a11y, and quite a number of retweets!
  263. # [20:03] <@hub> MarcoZ: awesome
  264. # [20:04] <@hub> 13, at least
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  266. # [20:10] <@MarcoZ> OK guys, will call it a night. see you tomorrow!
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  268. # [20:13] <@davidb> hub I added a meeting note, sound good? https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/2012-01-17#Accessibility
  269. # [20:14] <@hub> sounds good
  270. # [20:31] <@davidb> hub: please try to get a plan posted by end of day tomorrow - maybe coord with Marco if needed.
  271. # [20:31] <@davidb> exciting.
  272. # [20:31] <@hub> ok
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  274. # [20:40] <davidb_> eeejay: gimme 5?
  275. # [20:41] <@eeejay> davidb_, yep
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  277. # [20:46] <@hub> so from now on, I'll push in accessibility
  278. # [20:47] <@davidb> hub: sounds good for now
  279. # [20:48] <@hub> now if I could get my patches with a r+ :-)
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  283. # [20:50] <@davidb> hi surkov!
  284. # [20:50] <@surkov> hi, davidb!
  285. # [20:56] <@hub> hey surkov.
  286. # [20:56] <@surkov> hi, hub!
  287. # [20:59] <@davidb> eeejay: bug 715824
  288. # [20:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=715824 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, A11y in B2G
  289. # [21:01] * tbsaunde|afk is now known as tbsaunde
  290. # [21:06] <@eeejay> bbiab
  291. # [21:13] * davidb is now known as davidb|phone
  292. # [21:18] <@tbsaunde> hub: I hear writing patches I really like helps there ;)
  293. # [21:21] <@hub> ok, going to the office now. see you in but
  294. # [21:21] <@hub> bit
  295. # [21:21] <@hub> oops
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  298. # [21:26] <@davidb|phone> i wonder how i send DTMF codes over SIP
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  300. # [21:27] <@davidb|phone> oh i just type keys!
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  302. # [21:32] <@davidb> surkov: we were talking about embedded characters… and about if we should get rid of them.
  303. # [21:33] <@surkov> davidb: good, details?
  304. # [21:33] <@davidb> It might be good to do while we have NVDA attention.
  305. # [21:33] <@davidb> no details yet
  306. # [21:34] <@davidb> surkov: is this something that we could do Q2/Q3?
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  308. # [21:34] <@tbsaunde> davidb: surkov well, just for hyperlinks for now
  309. # [21:34] <@tbsaunde> though I'd expect that's the bigest use by far
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  311. # [21:35] <@surkov> davidb: that's a part of openAT plans, q2-q3 sounds reasonable
  312. # [21:35] <@davidb> yep
  313. # [21:35] <@davidb> ok great
  314. # [21:36] <@surkov> tbsaunde: maybe - because we need to come with well-defined approach
  315. # [21:36] <@surkov> it could be easier to do all at once rather than by parts
  316. # [21:37] * @davidb shivers
  317. # [21:37] <@surkov> but I didn't looked at issue in details yet
  318. # [21:37] <@davidb> oh i get you
  319. # [21:37] <@davidb> yes you might be right
  320. # [21:37] <@tbsaunde> yeah, maybe
  321. # [21:37] <@tbsaunde> or maybe just write a new text interface??
  322. # [21:38] <@surkov> good option
  323. # [21:38] <@tbsaunde> surkov: didn't you say you wanted to do that anyway?
  324. # [21:38] <@surkov> ia2 is not active though
  325. # [21:38] <@surkov> not exactly
  326. # [21:38] <@surkov> btw, we have wiki for that
  327. # [21:38] <@surkov> I put there some initial thoughts
  328. # [21:39] <@tbsaunde> kyeah, I remember
  329. # [21:39] <@surkov> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/TextImplementation
  330. # [21:39] <@tbsaunde> I haven't really thought much about it, and don't really expect to for a while
  331. # [21:39] <@surkov> same for the first part :)
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  335. # [22:33] <@hub> eeejay: do you happen to fly back on Alaska Airlines on the 3rd?
  336. # [22:33] <@hub> eeejay: I get offered a flight thru SEA
  337. # [22:33] <@eeejay> hub, i think so :)
  338. # [22:33] <@eeejay> hub, yeah, lemme check which one
  339. # [22:33] <@hub> taking that one and playing with fire for the arrival in YVR
  340. # [22:33] <@hub> wtr to skytrain hours
  341. # [22:33] <@eeejay> 645 pm
  342. # [22:33] * @hub does not want to take a cab
  343. # [22:33] <@hub> yep
  344. # [22:33] <@hub> that one
  345. # [22:33] <@hub> ok
  346. # [22:34] <@eeejay> hm
  347. # [22:34] <@eeejay> would you come in late?
  348. # [22:34] <@hub> arrival in YVR 11:53
  349. # [22:34] <@hub> skyt runs until 1AM
  350. # [22:34] <@hub> so it works
  351. # [22:34] <@hub> unless delays
  352. # [22:35] <@hub> I take the direct Air Canada flight outbound from YVR
  353. # [22:35] <@hub> it is the cheapest option
  354. # [22:36] <@firebot> bolterbugz@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 589225 on bug 678965.
  355. # [22:36] <@firebot> bolterbugz@gmail.com requested superreview from marco.zehe@goo glemail.com for attachment 589280 on bug 678965.
  356. # [22:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678965 nor, --, ---, bolterbugz, NEW, telemetry for injected screen reader dll's
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  361. # [23:55] <@hub> how often do we merge the accessibility repository from mozilla-central
  362. # Session Close: Wed Jan 18 00:00:00 2012

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