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  1. # Session Start: Wed Jan 18 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:00] <@tbsaunde> whenever someone feels like
  4. # [00:01] * @tbsaunde probably won't use it much in the near future so he probably won't do any merges
  5. # [00:03] <@hub> so I guess I'll have to do it myself.
  6. # [00:03] <@hub> I need to figure out the proper worflow with mercurial
  7. # [00:04] <@hub> until I just get a level-3
  8. # [00:08] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 589280 on bug 678965.
  9. # [00:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678965 nor, --, ---, bolterbugz, NEW, telemetry for injected screen reader dll's
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  12. # [00:32] <@hub> ok, so level does not give me the right to commit to accessibility project
  13. # [00:32] <@hub> :-/
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  15. # [00:40] <@hub> have we change the file naming conventions?
  16. # [00:40] <@hub> we now have a XULSelectControlAccessible.cpp (not prefixed with ns)
  17. # [00:43] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 588909 on bug 712927.
  18. # [00:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712927 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] VoiceOver often repeats the document title as if it were a groupbox/fieldset heading/legend
  19. # [00:44] <@tbsaunde> hub: yes, we dropped ns as a prefix a couple months back
  20. # [00:44] <@tbsaunde> see Compatability.{cpp.h} FocusManager.{cpp,h} etc
  21. # [00:44] <@hub> can we put down in writing all these rules?
  22. # [00:45] <@tbsaunde> do you have time?
  23. # [00:46] <@hub> I don't all your nitpicking rules
  24. # [00:46] <@hub> so no
  25. # [00:46] <@tbsaunde> you'll learn them ;)
  26. # [00:47] <@tbsaunde> I don't know what all of them are off the top of my head
  27. # [00:49] <@hub> you seems to. good thing I'm not a volunteer
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  36. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  40. # [00:59] * Topic is '"build the web for everyone" | release schedule: http://mzl.la/LNc0W'
  41. # [00:59] * Set by davidb on Thu Dec 08 15:12:17
  42. # [01:09] <@hub> ChromeVox...
  43. # [01:09] <@hub> I wonder if we can use that for b2g
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  45. # [01:15] <@firebot> bolterbugz@gmail.com cancelled superreview?(marco.zehe@goo glemail.com) for attachment 589280 on bug 678965.
  46. # [01:15] <@firebot> bolterbugz@gmail.com requested review from marco.zehe@googlema il.com for attachment 589280 on bug 678965.
  47. # [01:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678965 nor, --, ---, bolterbugz, NEW, telemetry for injected screen reader dll's
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  49. # [01:21] <@hub> the lca2012 session on accessibility is good
  50. # [01:22] <@hub> maybe next year they'll use Firefox ;-)
  51. # [01:23] <davidb_> hub: what are they using?
  52. # [01:23] <@hub> davidb_: Chrome on MacOS
  53. # [01:23] <@hub> at Linux Conf
  54. # [01:23] <@hub> and ChromeVox
  55. # [01:23] <davidb_> uh
  56. # [01:23] <@hub> for the reader
  57. # [01:23] <davidb_> why?
  58. # [01:24] <@hub> they use a Mac?
  59. # [01:24] <davidb_> yeah
  60. # [01:24] <@hub> or maybe they work for/with Google
  61. # [01:24] <davidb_> probs
  62. # [01:24] <@hub> not sure, I missed the begining
  63. # [01:24] <davidb_> is it silvia?
  64. # [01:24] <@hub> yeah
  65. # [01:24] <davidb_> ah
  66. # [01:24] <@hub> and some other person
  67. # [01:24] <davidb_> yes, contracted by google
  68. # [01:25] <davidb_> i think they are building a web media a11y team in australia
  69. # [01:27] <@hub> yeah
  70. # [01:27] <@hub> btw, next time I need ram, I order it myself and expense it.
  71. # [01:27] <@hub> 'cause the one I orderer throught the corp channels still isn't ehre
  72. # [01:28] <@hub> the one I ordered for my iMac last week has already been installed
  73. # [01:28] <@hub> ....
  74. # [01:28] <@hub> *sigh*
  75. # [01:28] <@hub> 'cause when I build firefox, the machine start stalling....
  76. # [01:28] <@hub> including Firefox
  77. # [01:33] <@tbsaunde> is this in osx? I think I've heard this complaint from oter people with osx and there conclusion was Apple hasn't touched the scheduler and / or the disk scheduler since it was match
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  79. # [01:35] <@hub> I build all on MS-DOS in 640KB
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  83. # [02:04] <@firebot> jmjeffery@embarqmail.com changed the Component on bug 718875 from Untriaged to Keyboard Navigation.
  84. # [02:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718875 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add a hotkey for App Button
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  87. # [02:54] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from bolterbugz@gmail.co m for attachment 588991 on bug 712923.
  88. # [02:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712923 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] Heading elements h1 through h6 are not recognizable by VoiceOver
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  92. # [03:38] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com cancelled review?(bolterbugz@gmail.co m) for attachment 588991 on bug 712923.
  93. # [03:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712923 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] Heading elements h1 through h6 are not recognizable by VoiceOver
  94. # [03:39] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from bolterbugz@gmail.co m for attachment 589379 on bug 712923.
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  103. # [07:26] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com cancelled review?(bolterbugz@gmail.co m) for attachment 589379 on bug 712923.
  104. # [07:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712923 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] Heading elements h1 through h6 are not recognizable by VoiceOver
  105. # [08:10] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 588980 on bug 698823.
  106. # [08:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698823 nor, --, mozilla10, eitan, NEW, Introduce virtual cursor/soft focus functionality to a11y API
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  111. # [08:22] <@tbsaunde> jhk: hey
  112. # [08:22] <jhk> hi tbsaunde
  113. # [08:27] <@tbsaunde> jhk: do you have orca setup locally?
  114. # [08:27] <@tbsaunde> its a screen reader
  115. # [08:28] <jhk> no
  116. # [08:28] <@tbsaunde> hm, do you run gnome?
  117. # [08:29] <jhk> I am using KDE inside UBUNTU(GNOME) so ya I can run that.
  118. # [08:29] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 589406 on bug 712923.
  119. # [08:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712923 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] Heading elements h1 through h6 are not recognizable by VoiceOver
  120. # [08:30] <jhk> tbsaunde: should I do that?
  121. # [08:30] <@tbsaunde> jhk: so, I'd like some help tracking down a regression, but testing it requires orca I believe
  122. # [08:30] <@tbsaunde> it'd be nice if you could
  123. # [08:30] <jhk> ok m back in 5 min.
  124. # [08:30] <@tbsaunde> in theory you should be able to install it and run orca and it'll start talking
  125. # [08:31] <jhk> oh
  126. # [08:31] <@tbsaunde> no hurry, I'll be around for a while reading scol stuff
  127. # [08:31] <jhk> ok
  128. # [08:31] <@tbsaunde> ubuntu has packages I'm sure
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  131. # [08:34] <jhk> tbsaunde: Now I am in gnome
  132. # [08:34] <@tbsaunde> so, try running orca
  133. # [08:34] <@tbsaunde> in a shell is simplest
  134. # [08:35] <@tbsaunde> if that fails it should a package named orca or gnome-orca
  135. # [08:35] <jhk> It runs
  136. # [08:35] <@tbsaunde> ok, cool
  137. # [08:36] <@tbsaunde> answer its questions as you wish, but you probably want to enable speech
  138. # [08:36] <jhk> asking for desired server
  139. # [08:36] <@tbsaunde> oh, huh, install speech-dispatcher
  140. # [08:37] <@tbsaunde> and python-speechd
  141. # [08:40] <@tbsaunde> jhk: ^
  142. # [08:41] <jhk> tbsaunde: done installing
  143. # [08:41] <@tbsaunde> running orca again?
  144. # [08:41] <jhk> ya . again asking
  145. # [08:41] <jhk> for desired server
  146. # [08:41] <@tbsaunde> what are the options?
  147. # [08:42] <jhk> default, espeak,dummy
  148. # [08:42] <@tbsaunde> espeak
  149. # [08:42] <@tbsaunde> does it call that server? that's confusing, it should be desired voice
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  152. # [08:43] <jhk> yes, ask for languages and enable echo,key etc
  153. # [08:43] <@tbsaunde> ok, I assume you answered those?
  154. # [08:44] <jhk> done.need to logout
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  157. # [08:46] <jhk> tbsaunde: running
  158. # [08:46] <@tbsaunde> jhk: ok, good
  159. # [08:46] <@tbsaunde> next start firefox
  160. # [08:46] <@tbsaunde> go to any youtube video with flash
  161. # [08:47] <@tbsaunde> try to navigate down the page, I expet orca will get stuck at some point and keep repeating grey
  162. # [08:48] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted review for attachment 589280 on bug 678965.
  163. # [08:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678965 nor, --, ---, bolterbugz, NEW, telemetry for injected screen reader dll's
  164. # [08:52] <jhk> tbsaunde: navigating.
  165. # [08:54] <@tbsaunde> jhk: getting stuck?
  166. # [08:56] <jhk> tbsaunde: not till now. Is there specific section in which It stucks.
  167. # [08:58] <@tbsaunde> let me see
  168. # [09:01] <@tbsaunde> it certainly used to a little while ago
  169. # [09:04] <@MarcoZ> Hi tbsaunde, hjk :)
  170. # [09:04] <@MarcoZ> jhk even
  171. # [09:04] <@tbsaunde> hi
  172. # [09:04] <jhk> Hi MarkoZ
  173. # [09:05] <jhk> tbsaunde : I am trying again to see if it stuck.
  174. # [09:06] <@tbsaunde> jhk: see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=665820
  175. # [09:08] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde: Do you have a chance to land stuff on inbound soon? I was thinking of the headings patch and the telemetry one.
  176. # [09:09] <@tbsaunde> MarcoZ: hm, I guess I could
  177. # [09:09] <@tbsaunde> though its ify for making tomorrows merge, so maybe just leave it for davidb tommorrow
  178. # [09:09] <@tbsaunde> *iffy
  179. # [09:11] <jhk> tbsaunde: hmm, It stuck for whole page mentioned in bug
  180. # [09:13] <@tbsaunde> jhk: what do you mean stuck for whole page?
  181. # [09:15] <jhk> We get stuck near the top and same it keeps silent for all remaining buttons and links.
  182. # [09:15] <jhk> We/I
  183. # [09:16] <@tbsaunde> ok., so you've probably reproduced it
  184. # [09:16] <jhk> yes
  185. # [09:16] <@tbsaunde> can you try two things for me over the next couple days when you have time
  186. # [09:16] <jhk> ya sure
  187. # [09:18] <@tbsaunde> first revert bug 480317 and build firefox and test again
  188. # [09:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=480317 enh, --, mozilla6, mgorse, RESO FIXED, Provide a way for atk-based plugins to slot into our a11y tree
  189. # [09:18] <@tbsaunde> second, go bck to firefox 4 test there, and if you can't reproduce there try to bysect where it broke
  190. # [09:19] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde: OK, fine with me, too!
  191. # [09:19] <@tbsaunde> you can grab nightly builds from ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/
  192. # [09:20] <jhk> ok
  193. # [09:21] <@tbsaunde> thanks!
  194. # [09:21] <jhk> np
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  204. # [11:07] <@askalski> morning everyone!
  205. # [11:08] <@tbsaunde> askalski: hi
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  209. # [11:52] <mib_afk1sg> hello all
  210. # [11:53] <mib_afk1sg> anyone good with gta vc handling.cfg?
  211. # [11:53] <@askalski> gta vc?? you mean "grand theft auto vice city"?
  212. # [11:54] <@askalski> or is it jus another mozilla shortcut I am not familiar with yet :)
  213. # [11:54] <mib_afk1sg> yep
  214. # [11:54] <mib_afk1sg> gta vice city :D
  215. # [11:55] <@askalski> :D no, sorry
  216. # [11:56] <mib_afk1sg> Well, I'm having a prob. I installed a delorean in place of the rumpo van. I set it's lower limit to -1.99 to make it look like it's hovering. the thing is that it tips over so easily.
  217. # [11:56] <mib_afk1sg> ok
  218. # [11:58] <mib_afk1sg> Anyone else know?
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  222. # [12:38] <@MarcoZ> Unbelievable what some people think this channel is for. *shakes head* :)
  223. # [12:38] <@MarcoZ> Hi askalski!
  224. # [12:44] <@askalski> hi MarcoZ !
  225. # [12:45] <@askalski> I haven't been here yesterday, I had a tough day, an short exam took me a little longer I though it will
  226. # [12:46] <@MarcoZ> askalski: NP!
  227. # [13:06] <jhk> tbsaunde : I reverted back and orca works
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  231. # [13:44] <@tbsaunde> jhk: oh, fun
  232. # [13:44] <jhk> tbsaunde: should I send you that patch?
  233. # [13:44] <@tbsaunde> jhk: please file a bug in disability access apis and make it block 480317
  234. # [13:45] <jhk> ok
  235. # [13:46] <@tbsaunde> thanks
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  238. # [14:25] <@askalski> tbsaunde, : thanks for the review
  239. # [14:25] <@askalski> tbsaunde, : I am applying you comments right now
  240. # [14:26] <@askalski> though I don't know what do you mean with
  241. # [14:26] <@askalski> number < 31 ? blah == nsIAccessibleStates::STATE_ ## xpcomstatename : blah == nsIAccessibleStates::EXT_STATE_ ## xpcomstatename,
  242. # [14:26] <@askalski> I can't assert with that
  243. # [14:26] <@askalski> because it would destroy a build, I listed at the end of file states that cannot be generated this way
  244. # [14:27] <@askalski> I can issue a warning though, but I'm not sure if that's any useful
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  247. # [14:35] <@tbsaunde> askalski: so, what that is about is that I don't think you need to pass all of the name to the macro
  248. # [14:36] <@askalski> ah, OK
  249. # [14:36] <@tbsaunde> particularly while you don't know all of it I think you can tell if is STATE_ or EXT_STATE_ from just the number
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  252. # [14:36] <@askalski> tbsaunde, : ok, applying
  253. # [14:36] <@tbsaunde> then you use string concatonation to put the parts together
  254. # [14:36] <@tbsaunde> thx
  255. # [14:38] <@askalski> tbsaunde, : ok, can you tell me more about this /**
  256. # [14:38] <@askalski> * XXX we should be able to generate the xpcom state name from the internal one
  257. # [14:38] <@askalski> */
  258. # [14:38] <@askalski> I should replace XXX with what?
  259. # [14:38] <@tbsaunde> nothing
  260. # [14:38] <@tbsaunde> XXX means we should fix or do something about
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  262. # [14:38] <jhk> tbsaunde: is that ok?
  263. # [14:39] <@tbsaunde> jhk: what?
  264. # [14:39] <@tbsaunde> jhk: looking at your bug now
  265. # [14:40] <@tbsaunde> jhk: looks fine other than the summary usually explains the problem
  266. # [14:41] <@tbsaunde> jhk: if you know a fix feel free to attach a patch
  267. # [14:41] <@tbsaunde> otherwise feel free to debug if you like
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  270. # [14:42] <jhk> ok
  271. # [15:12] <@askalski> everyone, I have a question
  272. # [15:12] <@askalski> as tests happen to be non-deterministic at my machine
  273. # [15:13] <@askalski> I will test on virtualbox on both windows and linu
  274. # [15:13] <@davidb> that should help
  275. # [15:13] <@askalski> this question is towards linux: do you know some easy to install network filesystem, so I can compile on main machine and just test in virtualized env?
  276. # [15:13] <@davidb> i don't know
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  278. # [15:16] <@davidb> askalski: maybe this would help http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch04.html#sharedfolders
  279. # [15:16] <@askalski> shared folders - yeah, that I know
  280. # [15:16] <@askalski> right! I'll just do a symlink
  281. # [15:16] <@askalski> brilliant!
  282. # [15:16] <@davidb> :)
  283. # [15:16] <@askalski> btw, got windows 7 installed
  284. # [15:16] <@davidb> good good
  285. # [15:17] <@askalski> it's fast. now
  286. # [15:17] <@davidb> great
  287. # [15:17] <@askalski> while setting up environment
  288. # [15:17] <@askalski> I should get visual studio express, right? or just commandline would do
  289. # [15:17] <@askalski> anyway, vs comes handy in debugging, I'll start downloading now
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  293. # [15:19] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 718990 filed by jigneshhk1992@gmail.com.
  294. # [15:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718990 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Atk-based plugins to slot into our a11y tree stucks orca in some flash web pages.
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  296. # [15:22] <@askalski> eclise + virtualbox + compilation > 6gb ram
  297. # [15:22] <@askalski> death by swapping
  298. # [15:23] <@davidb> yeah :(
  299. # [15:40] <@davidb> MarcoZ: I'm going to call you "Rampage" from now on.
  300. # [15:47] <@firebot> jigneshhk1992@gmail.com requested feedback from trev.saunders@gma il.com for attachment 589478 on bug 718990.
  301. # [15:47] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718990 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Atk-based plugins to slot into our a11y tree stucks orca in some flash web pages.
  302. # [15:51] <@askalski> davidb, : how long until meeting?
  303. # [15:51] <@davidb> askalski: 45 minutes
  304. # [15:51] <@askalski> thanks
  305. # [15:51] <@davidb> np
  306. # [15:53] <@askalski> I have a weird macro error, can anybody help me?
  307. # [15:53] <@askalski> it's blocking patch to patch.
  308. # [15:54] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Heh! Yeah I was very productive yesterday.
  309. # [15:54] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Today is a bit slower, though, primarily because I keep getting interrupted by visitors, packet deliveries, and a maintenance visit to the Apple store earlier today.
  310. # [15:57] <@MarcoZ> All: For prep, Meeting agenda is here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Meetings/2012-01-18
  311. # [15:58] <@MarcoZ> (bit still 39 minutes to go)
  312. # [15:58] <@askalski> is it possible to put #if and #else and #endif into #define?
  313. # [16:02] <@davidb> askalski: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/427220/can-you-nest-c-preprocessor-directives
  314. # [16:02] <@davidb> "no" :)
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  317. # [16:10] <@askalski> ok, so I guess part of my assignment is impossible
  318. # [16:10] <@askalski> because gcc does not shorten ? : operator in #define correctly thus generating non-existing names
  319. # [16:10] <@askalski> and name lookup fails during compile
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  322. # [16:12] <@askalski> davidb, : and what if using macro in macro does not work?
  323. # [16:12] <@davidb> askalski: hmm? Sorry I haven't been following the latest bug comments.
  324. # [16:13] <@davidb> I've not tried nesting these things.
  325. # [16:13] <@askalski> davidb, : well, to some extent it works
  326. # [16:13] <@askalski> for example, I can use in #define MOZ_STATIC_ASSERT, which is a macro
  327. # [16:13] <@askalski> so I have macro in macro and it's OK
  328. # [16:14] <@davidb> askalski: yeah you can use one macro in the definition of another macro
  329. # [16:14] <@MarcoZ> Mac bugs prioritized.-
  330. # [16:14] <@askalski> I am trying to do workaround, hoping, that if I extract condition into another macro, the ?: operator will be precompiled
  331. # [16:14] <@askalski> because the argument is known at compile time
  332. # [16:14] <@davidb> could work
  333. # [16:14] <@askalski> yes. it's just
  334. # [16:14] <@davidb> sounds plausible
  335. # [16:15] <@askalski> davidb, : http://pastebin.com/aDXQpKvp
  336. # [16:15] <@askalski> ok, I am an idiot, number_, not number...
  337. # [16:15] <@askalski> davidb, : trying new variant
  338. # [16:15] <@askalski> same. I get
  339. # [16:16] <@askalski> http://pastebin.com/aDXQpKvp
  340. # [16:16] <@askalski> /home/akuda/Moz/mozilla-central/accessible/src/base/StateList.h:285:1: error: ‘EXPAND_XPCOM_NAME’ was not declared in this scope
  341. # [16:16] <@askalski> /home/akuda/Moz/mozilla-central/accessible/src/base/StateAsserts.cpp:17:85: error: ‘EXPAND_XPCOM_NAME’ was not declared in this scope
  342. # [16:16] <@askalski> I guess, that it's interesting that it happens twice, both in included file and in cpp
  343. # [16:18] <@askalski> davidb, : got it, argument number mismatch
  344. # [16:18] <@askalski> it couldn't find a signature
  345. # [16:19] <@askalski> are all errors stupid?
  346. # [16:20] <@davidb> i wonder if clang has better error reporting
  347. # [16:20] <@davidb> in these cases
  348. # [16:24] <@MarcoZ> askalski: No, please, don't get me started about the stupidity of C/C++ compiler error messages. Please don't. LOL
  349. # [16:25] <@askalski> ok, tbsaunde's suggestion is non-implementable
  350. # [16:26] <@askalski> no matter what I do, GCC generates two variants of name, one of them does not exist, and thus entire file stops compiling.
  351. # [16:28] <@askalski> MarcoZ, any idea to force compiler to do #if in define ? the condition will be known at compile time
  352. # [16:28] <@davidb> askalski: the meta programming wizards are probably in #static
  353. # [16:29] <@davidb> (static analysis)
  354. # [16:29] <@askalski> ok, I'll check in the wonderland
  355. # [16:30] <@hub> shouldn't the ## operator in the macro no be surrounded by spaces?
  356. # [16:30] <@davidb> :)
  357. # [16:31] <@MarcoZ> askalski: Of our team, I'm probably the weakest on C++.
  358. # [16:31] <@MarcoZ> (and I have no problem admitting that.)
  359. # [16:31] <@davidb> 5 minutes to meeting
  360. # [16:31] <@hub> askalski: also you want to add some ( )
  361. # [16:32] <@davidb> hub: I suspect askalski is asking in #static
  362. # [16:32] * @davidb hunts for headset
  363. # [16:32] <@askalski> http://pastebin.com/ZNLV5upd
  364. # [16:32] <@askalski> this is the most recent one
  365. # [16:32] <@askalski> and there is noone alive in #static :D
  366. # [16:33] <@hub> http://pastebin.com/LrNufp5L
  367. # [16:33] <@askalski> hub, : what have you changed?
  368. # [16:34] <@hub> changed the old one
  369. # [16:34] <@askalski> added ( ), right?
  370. # [16:35] <@hub> and removed spaces around ##
  371. # [16:35] <@MarcoZ> Already in meeting room.
  372. # [16:35] <@hub> also I see a an extra ')' in somewhere
  373. # [16:35] <@davidb> tbsaunde|afk: if you get back for the meeting, note we're going vidyo only this time. hopefully the vidyo dial in works.
  374. # [16:38] <@davidb> askalski: are you joining?
  375. # [16:38] <@askalski> yes
  376. # [16:38] <@askalski> davidb, yes
  377. # [16:38] <@davidb> ok
  378. # [16:38] <@askalski> hub: most recent version http://pastebin.com/u72xmfSN
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  382. # [16:44] <@askalski> davidb, : I am trying to connect, the application hangs on 16%
  383. # [16:44] <@askalski> several approaches taken, I'll work with it more
  384. # [16:44] <@davidb> ok - we'll go ahead
  385. # [16:45] <@davidb> askalski: can you mute?
  386. # [16:46] <@askalski> sure
  387. # [16:58] <@askalski> tbsaunde|afk, : got a minute?
  388. # [17:00] <@davidb> hub: what hardware do you use for video?
  389. # [17:00] <@davidb> vidyo
  390. # [17:01] <@hub> davidb: the mac
  391. # [17:01] <@hub> I have long time ago realised that vidyo on Linux is a joke
  392. # [17:01] <@hub> like the accessible version
  393. # [17:01] <@davidb> :(
  394. # [17:01] <@hub> or the one that support the Firefox password manager.
  395. # [17:03] <@hub> filing a bugzilla.
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  397. # [17:05] <@hub> eh, I was wrong, there is a light dusting outside
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  399. # [17:11] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com denied review for attachment 588848 on bug 715857.
  400. # [17:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=715857 nor, --, mozilla12, dao, RESO FIXED, Disable a11y tests that put <tabbrowser> in random XUL documents and expect it to work
  401. # [17:13] <@MarcoZ> I am afraid surkov is a bit too late for that, the disabling of tests landed.
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  403. # [17:13] <@davidb> yeah
  404. # [17:14] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 719047 filed by bolterbugz@gmail.com.
  405. # [17:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719047 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Remove embedded character hack (flatten tree).
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  408. # [17:15] <@MarcoZ> Hi surkov!
  409. # [17:16] <@tbsaunde> hub: I'm looking at an example of foo ## bar that I know compiles as C right now ;)
  410. # [17:16] <@surkov> hi, MarcoZ!
  411. # [17:17] <@tbsaunde> surkov: hi, how is spain?
  412. # [17:18] <@surkov> tbsaunde: pretty warm for me :)
  413. # [17:18] <@tbsaunde> yeah, I bet
  414. # [17:18] <@surkov> no snow, green grass and etc
  415. # [17:18] <@surkov> raining
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  417. # [17:18] <@surkov> amazing, taking into account we have -30 these days in sibiria
  418. # [17:19] <@tbsaunde> that's pretty cold
  419. # [17:20] <@tbsaunde> pittsburgh isn't realy cold at all :\
  420. # [17:21] <@surkov> I bet :) should be warmer than in toronto
  421. # [17:21] <@surkov> are you in pittsburgh?
  422. # [17:22] <@tbsaunde> yes
  423. # [17:22] <@tbsaunde> yeah, but usually its like 20s this time of year not 40-50
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  425. # [17:23] <@surkov> yeah, right
  426. # [17:23] <@surkov> MarcoZ, nice job about mac bugs filing
  427. # [17:23] <@eeejay> surkov, welcome back! (to spain)
  428. # [17:23] <@surkov> hey, eeejay ! thanks!
  429. # [17:24] <@tbsaunde> surkov: so, are going to get a better atk soon? ;)
  430. # [17:24] <@surkov> definetly :)
  431. # [17:24] <@tbsaunde> good
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  433. # [17:31] <@tbsaunde> jhk: please fix the ug, don't just back out the bug that caused the regression
  434. # [17:31] <@tbsaunde> *bug
  435. # [17:34] <@hub> davidb: I can't seem to be able to land on the accessibility project either.
  436. # [17:35] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested checkin from bolterbugz@gmail.c om for attachment 589406 on bug 712923.
  437. # [17:35] <@davidb> hub: try to connect with mburns
  438. # [17:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712923 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] Heading elements h1 through h6 are not recognizable by VoiceOver
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  440. # [17:37] <@tbsaunde> davidb: are you sure that's a level 2 repo?
  441. # [17:37] <@davidb> nope
  442. # [17:37] <@davidb> it might make sense to not be level 2. since it can feed into central.
  443. # [17:38] <@davidb> not sure how that policy works
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  450. # [17:54] <@davidb> my remote desktop client keeps freezing
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  459. # [18:54] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 587808 on bug 698823.
  460. # [18:55] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org cancelled superreview?(neil@httl.net) for attachment 587808 on bug 698823.
  461. # [18:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698823 nor, --, mozilla10, eitan, NEW, Introduce virtual cursor/soft focus functionality to a11y API
  462. # [18:58] <@hub> back
  463. # [18:58] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 589549 on bug 698823.
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  469. # [20:12] <@davidb> hub: i don't think i can land it today
  470. # [20:18] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested approval-mozilla-aurora from the wind for attachment 581750 on bug 693343.
  471. # [20:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=693343 maj, --, mozilla12, trev.saunders, RESO FIXED, accessibility always disabled in GNOME 3 unless GNOME_ACCESSIBILITY is set
  472. # [20:20] <@hub> davidb: it's ok
  473. # [20:27] <@hub> davidb: basically Vidyo on Linux is WONTFIX
  474. # [20:27] <@davidb> ffs
  475. # [20:27] <@davidb> webrtc can't come soon enough
  476. # [20:29] <@hub> "If you are a linux user and have an android tablet, look for "vidyomobile" in the market - there are some people who have good luck with that (and others who don't, ymmv)"
  477. # [20:35] * @tbsaunde wonders what bug he wanted to respond to surkov
  478. # [20:35] <@surkov> :)
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  481. # [20:51] <@tbsaunde> davidb I'm pretty sure bug 718047 is a dup of a bug joanie filed at some point, but I'm not having luck finding it :/
  482. # [20:51] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718047 blo, --, ---, rnewman, RESO FIXED, Server fetch requests include millisecond resolution timestamp, not decimal seconds
  483. # [20:52] <@davidb> tbsaunde: yeah i went looking for a dupe as well, didn't find it
  484. # [20:52] * @davidb hopes the linker doesn't complain this time
  485. # [20:53] <@tbsaunde> what did it complain about?
  486. # [20:55] <@davidb> tbsaunde: regarding the topic of embedded char possibly related to bug 453605
  487. # [20:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=453605 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, text.getAttributes() can take an extraordinarily long time to return given a sufficiently large text
  488. # [20:56] <@davidb> tbsaunde: regarding linker error, i'll let you know if it happens again
  489. # [20:56] <@tbsaunde> maybe related, but not what I'm thinking of :)
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  492. # [21:10] <@davidb> tbsaunde: false alarm (re linker)
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  496. # [21:24] <@davidb> plz nobody land my temetry patch... latest patch introduced small err.
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  501. # [22:11] <@davidb> tbsaunde: did you grok froydnj's suggestion about buckets?
  502. # [22:11] <@tbsaunde> davidb: not really
  503. # [22:12] <@davidb> ok
  504. # [22:12] <@tbsaunde> davidb: but I'm not really worried about exponential blow up so shrug
  505. # [22:12] <@davidb> well, we won't be adding many more consumers i don't think
  506. # [22:13] <@davidb> also, this way we get to see combinations
  507. # [22:13] * @davidb shrugs
  508. # [22:13] <@davidb> i'm not averse to changing it down the road
  509. # [22:13] <@tbsaunde> yeah, but I don't really expect to see any combinations
  510. # [22:14] <@tbsaunde> well, maybe if screen readers get there dlls loaded even if they aren't running
  511. # [22:14] <@davidb> yeah
  512. # [22:15] <@tbsaunde> so, what I think he means by buckets is values you can report
  513. # [22:15] <@tbsaunde> so you report 1 for jaws 2 for WE 3 for nvda etc
  514. # [22:16] <@tbsaunde> which might make more sense I'm not sure
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  517. # [22:37] <@davidb> tbsaunde: yeah i think it makes sense given that i think we can still do queries for the multi-mode cases
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  522. # [23:02] <@davidb> assuming multiple Accumulate calls can know they are in the same telemetry ping
  523. # [23:28] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from bolterbugz@gmail.co m for attachment 589644 on bug 712927.
  524. # [23:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712927 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] VoiceOver often repeats the document title as if it were a groupbox/fieldset heading/legend
  525. # Session Close: Thu Jan 19 00:00:01 2012

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