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- # Session Start: Thu Jan 19 00:00:01 2012
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
- # [00:02] <@hub> I have a general a11y question: what about braille terminals?
- # [00:02] <@hub> is that something of the past or is it just a preference?
- # [00:05] <@tbsaunde> preference thing, Marco has one and uses it iirc
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- # [00:13] <@hub> oh does it work with a graphical UI ? it is just in braille what the voice over reads?
- # [00:13] <@hub> or is it a different concept?
- # [00:14] <@hub> all I remember in 1995 is that my friend was connecting it to a PC with a serial port and then remote login to the school UNIX server
- # [00:14] <@hub> and that she had an Emacs-like editor in it (like a laptop)
- # [00:14] <@hub> to work autonomously
- # [00:15] <@tbsaunde> I think it sort of brailles what voice over says
- # [00:16] <@tbsaunde> but I'm not really sure, never tried on a mac
- # [00:16] <@hub> ok. make sense.
- # [00:16] <@hub> that would also explain why I have a box with what voice over read displayed on my screen
- # [00:19] <@tbsaunde> yeah, maybe
- # [00:24] <@hub> and how is the driver situation on Linux?
- # [00:27] <@tbsaunde> I think it isn't too bad, but I don't really know much
- # [00:27] <@hub> ok
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- # [08:36] <@tbsaunde> jhk: how goes?
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- # [08:51] <jhk> tbsaunde: not tried yet. I will do it today.
- # [08:53] <@tbsaunde> jhk: sounds good
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- # [10:30] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 588756 on bug 718237.
- # [10:30] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718237 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [SeaMonkey] "accessible/events/test_focus_autocomplete.xul | Test timed out." (which also causes lot
- # [10:38] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com denied checkin for attachment 589406 on bug 712923.
- # [10:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712923 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] Heading elements h1 through h6 are not recognizable by VoiceOver
- # [11:28] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 719372 filed by er.ankita.saxena@gmail.com.
- # [11:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719372 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, cfbvb
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- # [12:20] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 719372 from UNCONFIRMED to RESOLVED.
- # [12:20] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com set the Resolution field on bug 719372 to INVALID.
- # [12:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719372 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, cfbvb
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- # [14:02] <@askalski> hi everyone!
- # [14:02] <@askalski> tbsaunde, : hi, can you talk?
- # [14:02] <@askalski> I have a problem with this string contactenation
- # [14:02] <@askalski> I guess that it's non applicable
- # [14:03] <@askalski> I searched for a solution for a while, checked several ideas that came to my mind and I ended up thinking it's not doable
- # [14:03] <@tbsaunde> askalski: yeah, I think you might be right :/
- # [14:04] <@askalski> great. so I'll post patch to patch and be back to work with another one
- # [14:04] <@askalski> I think it's unwise to spend more time with it right now
- # [14:04] <@askalski> *on it
- # [14:04] <@tbsaunde> askalski: ok
- # [14:04] <@tbsaunde> agree
- # [14:05] <@tbsaunde> askalski: you might want to see if Alex has a idea that he likes better (see his comment)
- # [14:05] <@askalski> btw, thank you again for teaching me mercurial, I am much better with it now
- # [14:05] <@tbsaunde> yw
- # [14:09] <@askalski> is there a bugzilla to vidyo? I could post some bugs, I guess I made some decent research
- # [14:11] <@tbsaunde> askalski: huh? I don't understand
- # [14:14] <@askalski> well vidyo is a Mozilla product?
- # [14:14] <@askalski> or not?
- # [14:14] <@askalski> what I mean is that linux version looks like an alfa, and I could help improving it
- # [14:15] <@askalski> tbsaunde, honestly, I don't understand Alex's comment
- # [14:15] <@askalski> even though I am familliar with both bugs, as they're assigned tome
- # [14:16] <@tbsaunde> askalski: ok, I gues I'll deal with it when I'm more awake then
- # [14:17] <@tbsaunde> askalski: no, I don't think video is a mozilla thing
- # [14:18] <@askalski> tbsaunde, ok, so I'll patch the first patch, and start working on the 716644 the way I planned until some tells me otherwise, ok?
- # [14:18] <@askalski> *someone
- # [14:18] <@tbsaunde> I gues so
- # [14:25] <@tbsaunde> askalski: alternatively you can ask Alex to explain
- # [14:26] <@askalski> is he online?
- # [14:28] <@tbsaunde> not on irc, bt you can ask on bugzilla it appears he's around there
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- # [15:04] <@davidb> hi all!
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- # [15:06] <@tbsaunde> mjorning davidb
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- # [15:10] <@tbsaunde> what's up davidb ?
- # [15:13] <@davidb> tbsaunde: just looking to see if there is an a11y roadmap for Orion
- # [15:14] <@davidb> I need to respond to some surkov questions too
- # [15:14] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i have a new patch for the telemetry that should make things clearer for everyone
- # [15:14] <@davidb> but I need to review it myself first :)
- # [15:15] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah
- # [15:15] * @tbsaunde needs to respond surkov a bunch too
- # [15:15] <@tbsaunde> he's too ood at finding things that could be better :)
- # [15:17] <@davidb> yes
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- # [15:21] <@davidb> MarcoZ: are you testing the source editor? (bug 717373)
- # [15:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=717373 nor, P2, ---, nobody, NEW, Remove the textarea fallback from the Source Editor
- # [15:26] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 719419 filed by bolterbugz@gmail.com.
- # [15:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719419 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add more test coverage for visibility state related to tabs and decks.
- # [15:27] <@tbsaunde> davidb: bt what are decks?
- # [15:28] <@davidb> tbsaunde: An element that displays only one of its children at a time
- # [15:28] <@tbsaunde> davidb: oic, thx
- # [15:29] <@davidb> np
- # [15:37] <@firebot> askalski@mozilla.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 589850 on bug 717507.
- # [15:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=717507 nor, --, ---, askalski, NEW, expandoify states
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- # [15:46] <@tbsaunde> jhk: any trouble debugging?
- # [15:48] <jhk> looking.....
- # [15:49] <@davidb> tbsaunde: what do you think of the latest patch on bug 712927?
- # [15:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712927 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] VoiceOver often repeats the document title as if it were a groupbox/fieldset heading/legend
- # [15:50] <@tbsaunde> davidb: let me look
- # [15:51] <@tbsaunde> I see hub hasn't changed the namespace from mac to utils like I asked or objected
- # [15:51] <@davidb> tbsaunde: I'm curious why review switched to me.
- # [15:51] <@tbsaunde> and LocalIzeString() makes mroe sense than LocalizedString()
- # [15:51] * @tbsaunde shrugs
- # [15:51] <@tbsaunde> (no clue)
- # [15:51] <@davidb> I suppose he wants a second opinion. I'll ask him when he gets in
- # [15:53] <@tbsaunde> so, I probably wouldn't r- it without finding a more serious issue than I have, but I'd really prefer it was cleaned up some before it lands
- # [15:54] <@davidb> tbsaunde: what is the namespace you want? mozilla::a11y::mac::utils?
- # [15:55] <@davidb> i'll check comments
- # [15:55] <@davidb> oh no mac
- # [15:56] <@tbsaunde> yeah, just a11y::utils
- # [15:57] <@tbsaunde> or maybe a11y::util::Foo()
- # [15:57] <@tbsaunde> I'm not sure
- # [15:57] <@davidb> meh
- # [15:58] <@tbsaunde> at what?
- # [16:00] <@askalski> can someone look at atk/nsRoleMap.h line 173?
- # [16:00] <@tbsaunde> askalski: doing
- # [16:00] <@askalski> there is a irregular line there, I am not sure if that's planned
- # [16:01] <@tbsaunde> askalski: the last entry thing can I believe in the case just go away
- # [16:02] <@askalski> tbsaunde, as always I will do some tests, and if that happens to be true, I'll be happy to remove it
- # [16:02] <@askalski> tbsaunde, otherwise, I'll give it number 125, if you don't mind :)
- # [16:03] <@tbsaunde> ok
- # [16:03] <@tbsaunde> iirc there is a roles::LAST_ENTRY that I believe should have the same number
- # [16:03] <@tbsaunde> but I don't think its used for anything either once your done with what you do
- # [16:04] <@askalski> tbsaunde, ok. I am using some python script to generate the RoleList.h file, I can keep the comments from mac version if you like
- # [16:04] <@davidb> there might be some cleanup required
- # [16:05] <@tbsaunde> askalski: the coments from Role.h are the ones I'd think you want
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- # [16:05] <@surkov> hi, davidb :)
- # [16:05] <@askalski> tbsaunde, ok, should I remove the mac ones, or append?
- # [16:06] <@tbsaunde> askalski: let me see if there is something useful
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- # [16:06] <@davidb> hi hi!
- # [16:07] <@askalski> tbsaunde, there are a lot of comments like "since version" or "unused on mac"
- # [16:07] <@tbsaunde> askalski: find a nice way to add the useful ones
- # [16:08] <@askalski> tbsaunde, ok. I am unable to test mac code by myself, right?
- # [16:08] <@MarcoZ> davidb Where do I find that?
- # [16:08] <@askalski> davidb, I am downloading and installing everything from the MDN doc on build on windows
- # [16:08] <@tbsaunde> askalski: do you have try access?
- # [16:08] <@davidb> MarcoZ: tools, web developer, style editor
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- # [16:09] <@davidb> askalski: good
- # [16:09] <@tbsaunde> does askalski actually need to try something on windows or just to see how well it works?
- # [16:10] <@MarcoZ> davidb: OK, never used it, so am not sure what I am looking for.
- # [16:10] <@askalski> tbsaunde, testing on linux is undeterministic
- # [16:10] <@askalski> tbsaunde, at least on my one
- # [16:10] <@askalski> tbsaunde, I am setting other build environments as well to find the proper combination, maybe even find what's wrong
- # [16:11] <@tbsaunde> askalski: it probably is for me too though I haven't run the tests tooo much recently, and its non deterministic on the build slaves too :(
- # [16:11] <@askalski> though it goes slow, as I cant do much simultaneously due RAM limits
- # [16:11] <@davidb> MarcoZ: see if you can read lines of code, what you type in, and are there line numbers etc
- # [16:11] <@askalski> tbsaunde, someone should work on tests then
- # [16:11] <@tbsaunde> askalski: yes, are you volunteering? ;)
- # [16:11] <@askalski> tbsaunde, I have a friend who does it for chrome
- # [16:12] <@askalski> tbsaunde, actually I may try it :)
- # [16:12] <@davidb> richardschwerdtfeger: any news on Orion a11y support?
- # [16:12] <@askalski> tbsaunde, is our test framework somehow related to chrome's one?
- # [16:12] <richardschwerdtfeger> oh damn asking now
- # [16:12] <richardschwerdtfeger> thanks
- # [16:12] <@askalski> or does "chrome" thing stand for something different
- # [16:12] <@tbsaunde> have fun every time I deal with I tend to have at least one arg I wish I was using a statically typed language
- # [16:13] <@tbsaunde> moment
- # [16:13] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Nope, none of that.
- # [16:13] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I get what appears to be a caret stuck somewhere in an iframe, and NVDA speaks a huge blurb of text that is the current style sheet code, but there's no way to review it for me.
- # [16:13] <@tbsaunde> askalski: noap doesn't have anything to do with google afaik
- # [16:13] <@tbsaunde> chrome means trusted java script
- # [16:14] <@davidb> richardschwerdtfeger: thanks
- # [16:14] <@tbsaunde> for ui and stuff
- # [16:14] <@davidb> MarcoZ: darn
- # [16:14] <@askalski> tbsaunde, thanks
- # [16:14] <@askalski> I'll try to get familiar with testing while working on first bug I've taken
- # [16:15] <@askalski> and if I see I can do there, I'll volunteer
- # [16:15] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I am able to find all information in what appear to be spans or so inside the accessible tree, but no way to navigate it or read it in a sensible fashion. And no line numbers to be found anywhere.
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- # [16:17] <@davidb> MarcoZ: ok, now the thing is, I'm not sure asking them to leave the plain editor fallback is going to do us any good. we should push on Orion a11y, perhaps contract some work.
- # [16:17] <@davidb> it feels very Mozilla Foundationy
- # [16:18] <@davidb> Aaron would be capable.
- # [16:18] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Aaron is busy with Webkit.
- # [16:18] <@MarcoZ> davidb: And as far as I can see, the textarea fallback doesn't even work.
- # [16:18] <@davidb> yes, but monthly contracts.
- # [16:18] <@davidb> oh
- # [16:19] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I don't see a textarea anywhere.
- # [16:19] <@davidb> MarcoZ: it is likely a pref
- # [16:19] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Ah.
- # [16:20] <@davidb> or config
- # [16:21] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Anyway, current config and stuff isn't working.
- # [16:21] <@tbsaunde> ok, /me -> bbiab
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- # [16:22] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Regarding bug 712923, do you think leaving text leaf accessibles in place for heading objects would be sufficient? I am not certain we'd do ourselves a favor if we left the text leaf accessibles in place always, though.
- # [16:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712923 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] Heading elements h1 through h6 are not recognizable by VoiceOver
- # [16:22] <@davidb> MarcoZ: oh sorry, this would be better to test is tools, web developer, scratchpad
- # [16:22] <@surkov> MarcoZ: hub said os x needs two accessible object for a link (for h1 elm and static text inside), that's what we have on internal level
- # [16:23] <@MarcoZ> surkov: OK!
- # [16:23] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Same thing.
- # [16:24] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Same failure.
- # [16:24] <@davidb> figures
- # [16:28] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Yes this looks like the same control to me.
- # [16:28] <@askalski> btw, congratulation guys for having such a regular coding style, I don't need ANTLR to parse your code :)
- # [16:29] <@davidb> heh
- # [16:29] <@davidb> MarcoZ: I'm adding another comment
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- # [16:32] <jhk> tbsaunde: no more "grayed" sound by orca and it works smoothly.
- # [16:32] <jhk> But still I want you to apply attached patch which is back out of 480317 and see if I am missing something.
- # [16:36] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Yeah the textarea one works nicely.
- # [16:37] <@davidb> ok
- # [16:37] <@davidb> MarcoZ: is there a serotek download that works with FF nightly?
- # [16:38] <@davidb> (free)
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- # [16:40] <@askalski> davidb, tbsaunde|afk : ok, I've loaded atk, mac and msaa into a script, now I can generate the macro. should I include anything else?
- # [16:41] <@askalski> oh, and roles.h as well
- # [16:41] <@davidb> askalski: ice cream for surkov
- # [16:41] <@askalski> so 4 files
- # [16:43] <@askalski> davidb, : as long as you mean ASCII art - no problem boss
- # [16:44] <@davidb> not in this channel please :)
- # [16:44] <@davidb> (ascii art)
- # [16:47] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I only use satogo.com and start the dynamic version of Serotek that way.
- # [16:47] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I was told once that that always gives me the latest release.
- # [16:47] <@davidb> i'll try that thanks
- # [16:48] <@davidb> oh that's what i tried, and it failed
- # [16:48] <@davidb> MarcoZ: does it currently work for you?
- # [16:48] <@MarcoZ> davidb: The last time I tried, I had to use IE to get it started, didn't work with Firefox for some reason.
- # [16:48] <@davidb> MarcoZ: do you have a contact there?
- # [16:48] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Let me try.
- # [16:49] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I was talking to Matt Campbell, who used to hang out on this channel in the past, and who is also on Twitter.
- # [16:49] <@davidb> yeah!
- # [16:50] * @davidb waits to hear results of test
- # [16:56] <@MarcoZ> davidb: It doesn't work for me either. Nightly freezes as soon as it runs with Serotek.
- # [16:56] <@MarcoZ> (meaning after I launch Nightly, I can't do anything, and pressing Alt+F4 gives me a "does not respond" dialog)ö.
- # [16:56] <@davidb> MarcoZ: would you like to ping Matt?
- # [16:58] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Can do.
- # [16:58] <@davidb> ok then I won't bother
- # [16:58] <@davidb> thanks
- # [16:58] * @davidb downloads supernova demo
- # [17:00] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Done.
- # [17:06] <@surkov> davidb: ice-cream? for what?
- # [17:06] <@davidb> surkov: i wasn't sure if you liked the patch(s)
- # [17:07] <@surkov> davidb: which one?
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- # [17:08] <@davidb> surkov: the askalski macro stuff
- # [17:08] <@davidb> but I don't want to bother you - you should be adding registration API to atk :)
- # [17:11] <@firebot> bolterbugz@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 589872 on bug 678965.
- # [17:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678965 nor, --, ---, bolterbugz, NEW, telemetry for injected screen reader dll's
- # [17:11] <@firebot> bolterbugz@gmail.com requested review from nfroyd@mozilla.com for attachment 589872 on bug 678965.
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- # [17:41] * @davidb downloads cobra
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- # [17:54] <@MarcoZ> Morning hub!
- # [18:00] <@askalski> davidb, what are cobra and supernova demo?
- # [18:00] <@askalski> testing time!
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- # [18:08] <@MarcoZ> askalski: They're screen readers for Windows. Like NVDA, JaWS, Window-Eyes also are. And they all support Firefox.
- # [18:10] <@tbsaunde|afk>
- # [18:11] * tbsaunde|afk is now known as tbsaunde
- # [18:15] <@tbsaunde> askalski: we have a list of string roles in nsAccessibilityService.cpp or h
- # [18:15] <@askalski> tbsaunde, should I add this file to macro as well?
- # [18:16] <@tbsaunde> askalski: please
- # [18:16] <@askalski> tbsaunde, I think I'll be finishing for today now, I can post my fist patch proposition
- # [18:16] <@askalski> without this file yet
- # [18:16] <@askalski> also, I have some problems with tests
- # [18:16] <@tbsaunde> askalski: just wait till your done, I'm not going to review stuff today
- # [18:17] <@askalski> I am rebuilding clean build to check
- # [18:17] <@tbsaunde> jhk: ok, cool, I can't test today
- # [18:17] <@tbsaunde> jhk: mind attaching the real fix you have?
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- # [18:17] <@askalski> davidb, can you give me access to some remote testing machine?
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- # [18:19] <jhk> tbsaunde: attached is the latest I have right now.
- # [18:20] <jhk> tbsaunde: you can use that.
- # [18:21] <@MarcoZ> askalski: You should be able to throw a patch against the try-server build. Don't know if you need repo access there as well.
- # [18:22] <@askalski> MarcoZ, : how to?
- # [18:22] <@tbsaunde> askalski: wait one, I'll give you a link
- # [18:23] <@tbsaunde> askalski: file a bug like 626185
- # [18:23] <@tbsaunde> bug 626185
- # [18:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=626185 nor, --, ---, jlaz, RESO FIXED, Commit access (level 1) for Trevor Saunders
- # [18:24] <@tbsaunde> askalski: www.mozilla.org/hacking/committer/
- # [18:25] <@tbsaunde> askalski: once you've filed a bug poke me :)
- # [18:26] <@askalski> tbsaunde, ok. I am finishing for today, I guess that adding this new file will take me (with tests) about hour or two tomorrow (I need to update a generator), so I'll poke you tommorow
- # [18:26] <@askalski> bye everyone
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- # [18:27] <@tbsaunde> ok, sounds good
- # [18:27] <@askalski> everyone, have nice day/evening depending on timezone :), bye
- # [18:32] <@tbsaunde> surkov: so, I was thinking about bug 686909 and that huristic is an ancient african word for "maybe if we take a bong hit this problem will become more tractable"
- # [18:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=686909 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, The system suffix is for system generated events only
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- # [18:33] <@tbsaunde> and it occurs to me that if the text is changing in a editable field that is focused the user almost certainly wants to know about the change
- # [18:33] <@tbsaunde> and the change is probably caused by the user since the thing changing is focused
- # [18:34] <@surkov> why do you talk what we should have (it appears that's what bug summary states)
- # [18:34] <@tbsaunde> so, wow would you feel about a patch that sticks the system suffix on if and only if the thing having its text changed is not (editable and focused)
- # [18:35] <@tbsaunde> and a XXX comment saying "we should user isFromUserInput here but that isn't correct for text change events when content isn't being inserted"
- # [18:35] <@tbsaunde> sorry, typing is hard with laggy connection
- # [18:35] <@surkov> well, at least that works in most cases
- # [18:36] <@surkov> however I'm not sure we should say the event is from user input while the edit field is focused but the user doesn't change anything
- # [18:37] <@tbsaunde> true
- # [18:37] <@tbsaunde> I'm not saying its perfect, just a lot better
- # [18:38] <@tbsaunde> and that what orca arguably wants is sohould this be spoken
- # [18:38] <@tbsaunde> and I think there is an argument that even if the user didn't change something it should be spoken in this case
- # [18:40] <@surkov> tbsaunde: that's should be not bad workaround
- # [18:41] <@tbsaunde> ok, I'll put a patch up in next day or two
- # [18:41] <@tbsaunde> just wanted to make sure I wasn't wasting my time writing a patch you'd r- out of hand
- # [18:43] <@surkov> I'm not a monster :) thanks for working on it
- # [18:45] <@tbsaunde> hehe
- # [18:45] <@tbsaunde> but your dam good at find problems with patches :-)
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- # [19:11] <@firebot> nfroyd@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 589872 on bug 678965.
- # [19:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678965 nor, --, ---, bolterbugz, NEW, telemetry for injected screen reader dll's
- # [19:15] <@davidb> MarcoZ: So FF 10 will have an ESR release stream. Can you think of anything we'll need to push there?
- # [19:15] <@davidb> hi hub
- # [19:16] <@davidb> hub: not sure I can get to that review today, but seems you are almost at an r+ from tbsaunde
- # [19:16] <@hub> ESR means that we'll update it all along?
- # [19:16] <@davidb> hub: I think it means we'll mostly only port security fixes
- # [19:16] <@hub> davidb: don't worry, surkov stalled the previous patch
- # [19:16] <@hub> so...
- # [19:16] <@davidb> oh i don't like the sound of stalled :(
- # [19:17] <@davidb> but if it can be improved great
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- # [19:22] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I think FF10 is in good shape. We were able to backport regression fixes from the focus handling rework.
- # [19:22] <@davidb> cool
- # [19:22] <@MarcoZ> davidb: The only thing we might need to revisit is the Linux/Gnome thing bug 693343.
- # [19:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=693343 maj, --, mozilla12, trev.saunders, RESO FIXED, accessibility always disabled in GNOME 3 unless GNOME_ACCESSIBILITY is set
- # [19:22] <@davidb> yeah i was thinking the same
- # [19:23] <@davidb> i wonder if distros will flock to the ESR releases
- # [19:23] <@MarcoZ> That one was denied landing even on Aurora, but if FF10 becomes supported for over a year, we might want to ask drivers to re-think, probably in a personal conversation rather than a comment thread on a bug.
- # [19:24] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I somehow doubt it, but you never know what goes through distro maintainers' minds.
- # [19:24] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Web developers would probably be pissed if that happened.
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- # [19:28] <@MarcoZ> OK, calling it a day. See you tomorrow!
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- # [19:30] <@davidb> wow
- # [19:30] <@davidb> “It’s a true war: the last bastion of creative/productive ingenuity in America versus the swamp of D.C.’s parasitic, industry-conflicted bureaucracy.”—Forbes
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- # [19:55] <@davidb> hub, surkov: wild dances? Like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd9-zZdSoqU ?
- # [19:55] <@davidb> that video shows our tree updates.
- # [19:56] <@davidb> (bug 712923)
- # [19:56] <@surkov> davidb: I bet that video is more worst :)
- # [19:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712923 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] Heading elements h1 through h6 are not recognizable by VoiceOver
- # [19:56] <@surkov> or more wild :)
- # [19:57] <@davidb> :)
- # [20:09] <@hub> apparently the new Apple iBooks Author takes into account accessibility
- # [20:09] <@hub> ie integrate Voice Over into the content
- # [20:09] <@hub> (this is their Text Book tool they just announced today)
- # [20:10] <@davidb> makes sense
- # [20:11] <@hub> to be honest I didn't know about that feature
- # [20:11] <@hub> (I worked on it)
- # [20:11] <@hub> the tool
- # [20:11] <@davidb> heh
- # [20:11] <@davidb> funny how things happen
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- # [20:13] <@hub> one more thing that will hinder the Android tablets
- # [20:13] <@davidb> yeah
- # [20:13] <@davidb> i uninstalled google books
- # [20:14] <@hub> I still have iBooks installed... to read DRM free epub and PDF
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- # [20:58] * @eeejay uses callibre and some plugins to crack drm, so i could share chapters of books
- # [20:58] <@eeejay> i think it falls under fair-use
- # [20:58] <@eeejay> if i had the hardcopy, I would xerox 10 pages to share with folks in a study group
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- # [21:15] <@firebot> akeybl@mozilla.com granted approval-mozilla-aurora for attachment 588258 on bug 717753.
- # [21:16] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=717753 maj, --, mozilla12, sgautherie.bz, RESO FIXED, [SeaMonkey] mochitest-a11y: test_focus_browserui.xul needs to support non-Firefox applications too
- # [21:34] * tbsaunde|afk is now known as tbsaunde
- # [21:36] <@firebot> New Firefox - Keyboard Navigation bug 719546 filed by cpeterson@mozilla.com.
- # [21:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719546 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, YBCA web page blocks keyboard shortcuts, including CMD+W and CMD+Q
- # [21:39] <@tbsaunde> anyone desperately need me for something? otherwise I'm off to sleep for a while
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- # [22:16] <@davidb> i'm super tired myself
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- # [22:28] <@davidb> ok have a good one
- # [22:28] <@davidb> ciao
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- # [22:52] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com cancelled review?(bolterbugz@gmail.co m) for attachment 589644 on bug 712927.
- # [22:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712927 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] VoiceOver often repeats the document title as if it were a groupbox/fieldset heading/legend
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- # Session Close: Fri Jan 20 00:00:00 2012
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