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  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  19. # [02:43] <firebot> akeybl@mozilla.com granted approval-mozilla-aurora for attachment 581750 on bug 693343.
  20. # [02:43] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=693343 maj, --, mozilla12, trev.saunders, RESO FIXED, accessibility always disabled in GNOME 3 unless GNOME_ACCESSIBILITY is set
  21. # [03:18] <firebot> philringnalda@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 707654 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  22. # [03:18] <firebot> philringnalda@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 707654 to FIXED.
  23. # [03:18] <firebot> philringnalda@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 707654 from --- to mozilla12.
  24. # [03:18] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707654 nor, --, mozilla12, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, embeds relation on root accessible can return not content document
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  34. # [07:34] <firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com cancelled review?(marco.zehe@googlema il.com) for attachment 351513 on bug 453594.
  35. # [07:34] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=453594 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Fix name calculation for labels (HTML, XUL, XForms)
  36. # [07:35] <firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com cancelled review?(marco.zehe@googlema il.com) for attachment 385694 on bug 421242.
  37. # [07:35] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=421242 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, allow relations in anonymous content for binding parent
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  43. # [09:43] <firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted review for attachment 590495 on bug 719754.
  44. # [09:43] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719754 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Rewrite a11y tests that put <tabbrowser> in random XUL documents and expect it to work
  45. # [09:45] <firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested feedback from dao@mozilla.com for attachment 590495 on bug 719754.
  46. # [09:45] <firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 477015 from --- to mozilla12.
  47. # [09:45] <firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted in-testsuite on bug 477015.
  48. # [09:46] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477015 nor, --, mozilla12, marco.zehe, ASSI, Create namerules based tests for accessible name of images.
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  64. # [11:07] <@firebot> dao@mozilla.com granted feedback for attachment 590495 on bug 719754.
  65. # [11:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719754 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Rewrite a11y tests that put <tabbrowser> in random XUL documents and expect it to work
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  77. # [15:18] <@MarcoZ> Hi askalski!
  78. # [15:19] <@askalski> hi everyone, I have an exam tomorrow, so I won't be much here until Wednesday :(
  79. # [15:19] <@askalski> hi MarcoZ!
  80. # [15:19] <@MarcoZ> askalski: Good luck with it!
  81. # [15:19] <@askalski> if you have something urgent, please e-mail me, and I will join ASAP
  82. # [15:19] <@askalski> thanks :)
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  85. # [15:29] <@davidb> hi all!
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  89. # [15:34] <@MarcoZ> Hi davidb!
  90. # [15:38] * @davidb chats on #devtools about orion
  91. # [15:48] <@davidb> tbsaunde: regarding role mappings
  92. # [15:48] <@davidb> Could we have a file that just shows the mappings, and build the code from that?
  93. # [15:48] <@davidb> like enum, enum, enum, enum
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  95. # [15:50] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Do you know Surkov's schedule? is he on his way back to Irkutzk?
  96. # [15:52] * @MarcoZ got a review from a patch today that he submitted in February of 2009. And it didn't need much rebasing. And it landed successfully on Inbound. Yay! :)
  97. # [15:58] <@davidb> MarcoZ: he mentioned he should be back properly on the 24th
  98. # [15:58] <@davidb> wuh!?
  99. # [15:58] <@davidb> which patch?
  100. # [15:59] <@davidb> I have a meeting with him and Joanie on Friday
  101. # [16:00] <@davidb> I'll find out if we can open that wider
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  104. # [16:00] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Bug 477015.
  105. # [16:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477015 nor, --, mozilla12, marco.zehe, ASSI, Create namerules based tests for accessible name of images.
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  107. # [16:01] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Ah, so he's probably in transit today.
  108. # [16:06] <@davidb> Yeah, he might layover in Moscow
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  110. # [16:09] <@davidb> MarcoZ: I checked. He arrives in Irkutsk tomorrow.
  111. # [16:10] <@MarcoZ> davidb: OK!
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  113. # [16:14] <@davidb> MarcoZ: finding js bugs eh?
  114. # [16:14] <@davidb> all good.
  115. # [16:14] <@davidb> I wonder if we uncover weak spots (our engine)
  116. # [16:14] <@davidb> weak spots in js
  117. # [16:17] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Not me, a community member from the US. A JAWS user who started sending me crash reports a few weeks back.
  118. # [16:18] <@MarcoZ> He finds them in all the places, I just report them.
  119. # [16:18] <@davidb> great
  120. # [16:19] <@MarcoZ> davidb: So, I believe bug 678965 landed on Sat or so. I am running the latest nightly. Perhaps you're seeing something on the telemetry?
  121. # [16:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678965 nor, --, mozilla12, bolterbugz, RESO FIXED, telemetry for injected screen reader dll's
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  123. # [16:24] * @davidb looks
  124. # [16:25] <@davidb> MarcoZ: doesn't look to be indexed yet
  125. # [16:27] <@MarcoZ> davidb: OK!
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  131. # [16:50] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I'm not sure I understand
  132. # [16:50] <@davidb> tbsaunde: context?
  133. # [16:51] * @davidb has limited scrollback
  134. # [16:51] <@tbsaunde> davidb: your enum thing for roles
  135. # [16:51] <@davidb> oh
  136. # [16:51] <@davidb> tbsaunde: so I was thinking that Alex's problem with readability might be solvable
  137. # [16:51] <@davidb> if we just had a text file with ROLE_FOO, ROLE_BAR, ROLE_SWISH mapping lines
  138. # [16:52] <@tbsaunde> I see
  139. # [16:52] <@tbsaunde> so, your suggesting just remove the macro wrapping the list of things?
  140. # [16:52] <@davidb> yeah, just wondering aloud if we could make it even simpler
  141. # [16:52] <@tbsaunde> well, I that's not what I read his problem as
  142. # [16:53] <@davidb> his other problem is having platform specific stuff in base i think
  143. # [16:53] <@tbsaunde> and I think doing it would probably require running a script during the build
  144. # [16:53] * @davidb nods
  145. # [16:53] <@tbsaunde> I thought it was that, and the fact each line had a bunch of stuff
  146. # [16:54] <@davidb> i would recommend not line wrapping for this file. at all.
  147. # [16:54] <@tbsaunde> we probably can run scripts during the build, but its more anoying I'd expect
  148. # [16:54] <@davidb> yes and time consuming
  149. # [16:54] <@tbsaunde> yes, same
  150. # [16:54] <@davidb> anyways, best to pick this up again when he's online I think
  151. # [16:54] <@tbsaunde> I'd doubt that its significantly slower than the compiler
  152. # [16:54] * @davidb nods
  153. # [16:55] <@tbsaunde> yeah
  154. # [16:55] <@davidb> unless we use java :)
  155. # [16:55] <@davidb> tokenizerFactory.get("StringTokenizer").tokenize.
  156. # [16:55] <@davidb> etc
  157. # [16:55] <@tbsaunde> I'd expect python which is slow, but the compiler has machinary too so
  158. # [16:56] <@davidb> yeah some kind of pragma like meta stuff
  159. # [16:56] <@tbsaunde> its been a while since I wrote java but I don't remember it as being that bad
  160. # [16:56] <@davidb> it can get as bad as the engineer is clever.
  161. # [16:57] <@davidb> for some definition of clever
  162. # [16:57] <@davidb> but I did enjoy java, to be honest.
  163. # [16:58] <@davidb> i felt the language faded to the background more than i find with C++
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  165. # [17:14] <@MarcoZ> Hi hub!
  166. # [17:14] <@hub> hi
  167. # [17:15] <@davidb> heyo
  168. # [17:16] <@hub> davidb: looks like I'm gonna order the RAM.
  169. # [17:16] <@hub> *sigh*
  170. # [17:18] * @davidb looks
  171. # [17:19] <@davidb> hub: yes, please do. and sorry.
  172. # [17:19] <@MarcoZ> hub: Congrats on your level 3 access!
  173. # [17:21] <@hub> thanks
  174. # [17:22] <@hub> davidb: canadaram is twice the price of newegg...
  175. # [17:31] <@davidb> hub: go with new egg i guess
  176. # [17:32] <@hub> done
  177. # [17:32] <@hub> :-)
  178. # [17:36] <@davidb> *sigh*
  179. # [17:36] <@davidb> good
  180. # [17:42] <@davidb> tbsaunde: desktop fixed my phone, fwiw
  181. # [17:44] <@tbsaunde> davidb: good
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  188. # [17:54] <@MarcoZ> Would love to go ahead and land some patches, but all of those who are in the loop still have review comments to be addressed. :D
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  194. # [18:22] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I believe bug 707654 causes problems with iFrames and NVDA virtual buffers.
  195. # [18:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707654 nor, --, mozilla12, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, embeds relation on root accessible can return not content document
  196. # [18:32] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
  197. # [18:42] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 720393 filed by marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
  198. # [18:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=720393 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, NVDA's virtual buffer often breaks with iFrames, started January 23, 2012 build.
  199. # [18:47] <@MarcoZ> Oh man this is bad, today's nightly is hardly useable with some sites. Each page that embeds the "Tweet" or "Like" iframes breaks as soon as NVDA's virtual buffer lands on them.
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  201. # [18:49] <@MarcoZ> davidb: ^
  202. # [19:04] <@hub> ok, going to the office
  203. # [19:04] <@hub> c-ya in a bit
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  205. # [19:08] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 707654 from RESOLVED to REOPENED.
  206. # [19:08] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk cleared the Resolution 'FIXED' from bug 707654.
  207. # [19:08] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 707654 from mozilla12 to ---.
  208. # [19:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707654 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, REOP, embeds relation on root accessible can return not content document
  209. # [19:12] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 720393 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  210. # [19:12] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 720393 to FIXED.
  211. # [19:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=720393 maj, --, ---, nobody, RESO FIXED, NVDA's virtual buffer often breaks with iFrames, started January 23, 2012 build.
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  215. # [19:27] <@davidb> MarcoZ: back it out is my vote
  216. # [19:28] <@davidb> MarcoZ: is this the bug that gcp was discussing?
  217. # [19:29] <@davidb> MarcoZ: r+ to backout.
  218. # [19:29] <@davidb> I mean you have my r+
  219. # [19:30] <@hub> I have done one last change to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712923 following surkov last comment. Can somebody review it?
  220. # [19:30] <@firebot> Bug 712923 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] Heading elements h1 through h6 are not recognizable by VoiceOver
  221. # [19:31] <@MarcoZ> hub: Sure!
  222. # [19:31] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Thanks! Ed Morley and I decided to go ahead and back it out. He even triggered new nightly builds so NVDA and possibly other users won't have to wait until tomorrow to get good builds again.
  223. # [19:32] <@davidb> MarcoZ: good
  224. # [19:32] <@hub> davidb: vidyo in 5?
  225. # [19:32] <@davidb> hub: yep
  226. # [19:32] <@MarcoZ> hub: Looking now.
  227. # [19:35] <@hub> danke schön
  228. # [19:36] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted review for attachment 590758 on bug 712923.
  229. # [19:36] <@MarcoZ> hub: Wow, where did you find the ö? :)
  230. # [19:37] <@hub> option-u then o
  231. # [19:37] <@hub> I can type most accent with the US keyboard
  232. # [19:37] <@davidb> hub: my room ok? (9066)
  233. # [19:37] <@hub> on a Mac
  234. # [19:37] <@hub> and on Linux
  235. # [19:37] <@hub> davidb: it is
  236. # [19:37] <@MarcoZ> hub: Nice!
  237. # [19:38] <@hub> on Linux I configure right-alt to be compose
  238. # [19:38] <@hub> davidb: I'm in there :-)
  239. # [19:38] <@davidb> so am… i?
  240. # [19:38] <@hub> let's try again
  241. # [19:43] <@MarcoZ> Vidyo pains?
  242. # [19:44] <@davidb> sorted
  243. # [20:01] <@MarcoZ> Brought a11y repo onto the same level as m-c again.
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  250. # [20:50] * @tbsaunde reminds MarcoZ about "better to ask for forgiveness than permission" ;-)
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  253. # [20:56] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 477015 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  254. # [20:56] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 477015 to FIXED.
  255. # [20:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477015 nor, --, mozilla12, marco.zehe, RESO FIXED, Create namerules based tests for accessible name of images.
  256. # [21:03] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde: Well, it wasn't my patch that broke things. I was just playing fireman. :)
  257. # [21:04] <@MarcoZ> OK, off for the night. See you all tomorrow!
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  279. # [23:09] <@tbsaunde> hub: re bug 712923, do as you like
  280. # [23:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712923 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] Heading elements h1 through h6 are not recognizable by VoiceOver
  281. # [23:09] <@hub> tbsaunde: the bug is still not in
  282. # [23:09] <@hub> the patch I mean
  283. # [23:10] <@tbsaunde> hub: yes, I was responding by saying for or not according to your liking
  284. # [23:10] <@tbsaunde> s/for/fix/
  285. # [23:13] <@tbsaunde> especially since mac/ already has plenty of old xpcomy stuff that someone should go through and fix
  286. # [23:15] <@tbsaunde> hub: ^
  287. # [23:16] <@hub> I see
  288. # [23:17] <@tbsaunde> hub: for example GetUnIgnoredParent almost certainly should return an nsAccessible* or maybe an nsAccessibleWrap*
  289. # [23:22] <@firebot> fmdevelopertim@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 476284 from UNCONFIRMED to RESOLVED.
  290. # [23:22] <@firebot> fmdevelopertim@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 476284 to WORKSFORME.
  291. # [23:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=476284 min, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Find marker doesn't go back to grey
  292. # [23:33] <@eeejay> when is EVENT_HYPERTEXT_LINK_ACTIVATED ever fired? doesn't seem to appear in the source. did it ever?
  293. # [23:34] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: hoestly I don't know, try surkov?
  294. # [23:35] <@tbsaunde> or maybe dig through bugzilla
  295. # [23:35] <@eeejay> yeah
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  297. # [23:40] <@eeejay> man, i thought we already fired events when links, or controls are clicked
  298. # [23:40] <@eeejay> boy was i wrong
  299. # [23:45] <@tbsaunde> heh
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  301. # [23:46] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: when does document loaded / focus not work for you?
  302. # [23:47] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, those work, but i expect an event when you activate a link or a pushbutton
  303. # [23:47] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: oic
  304. # [23:48] * @tbsaunde shrugs
  305. # [23:51] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 712923 from --- to mozilla12.
  306. # [23:51] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712923 nor, --, mozilla12, hub, NEW, [Mac] Heading elements h1 through h6 are not recognizable by VoiceOver
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  309. # [23:58] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: fireing events for those might be a little interesting since iirc we post a runnable to the event queue to do actoins a lot of the time
  310. # [23:59] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, hm, not sure what you mean. but i might just listen for a dom event
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