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- # Session Start: Mon Jan 23 00:00:01 2012
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [02:43] <firebot> akeybl@mozilla.com granted approval-mozilla-aurora for attachment 581750 on bug 693343.
- # [02:43] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=693343 maj, --, mozilla12, trev.saunders, RESO FIXED, accessibility always disabled in GNOME 3 unless GNOME_ACCESSIBILITY is set
- # [03:18] <firebot> philringnalda@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 707654 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
- # [03:18] <firebot> philringnalda@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 707654 to FIXED.
- # [03:18] <firebot> philringnalda@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 707654 from --- to mozilla12.
- # [03:18] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707654 nor, --, mozilla12, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, embeds relation on root accessible can return not content document
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- # [07:34] <firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com cancelled review?(marco.zehe@googlema il.com) for attachment 351513 on bug 453594.
- # [07:34] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=453594 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Fix name calculation for labels (HTML, XUL, XForms)
- # [07:35] <firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com cancelled review?(marco.zehe@googlema il.com) for attachment 385694 on bug 421242.
- # [07:35] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=421242 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, allow relations in anonymous content for binding parent
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- # [09:43] <firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted review for attachment 590495 on bug 719754.
- # [09:43] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719754 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Rewrite a11y tests that put <tabbrowser> in random XUL documents and expect it to work
- # [09:45] <firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested feedback from dao@mozilla.com for attachment 590495 on bug 719754.
- # [09:45] <firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 477015 from --- to mozilla12.
- # [09:45] <firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted in-testsuite on bug 477015.
- # [09:46] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477015 nor, --, mozilla12, marco.zehe, ASSI, Create namerules based tests for accessible name of images.
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- # [11:07] <@firebot> dao@mozilla.com granted feedback for attachment 590495 on bug 719754.
- # [11:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719754 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Rewrite a11y tests that put <tabbrowser> in random XUL documents and expect it to work
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- # [15:18] <@MarcoZ> Hi askalski!
- # [15:19] <@askalski> hi everyone, I have an exam tomorrow, so I won't be much here until Wednesday :(
- # [15:19] <@askalski> hi MarcoZ!
- # [15:19] <@MarcoZ> askalski: Good luck with it!
- # [15:19] <@askalski> if you have something urgent, please e-mail me, and I will join ASAP
- # [15:19] <@askalski> thanks :)
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- # [15:29] <@davidb> hi all!
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- # [15:34] <@MarcoZ> Hi davidb!
- # [15:38] * @davidb chats on #devtools about orion
- # [15:48] <@davidb> tbsaunde: regarding role mappings
- # [15:48] <@davidb> Could we have a file that just shows the mappings, and build the code from that?
- # [15:48] <@davidb> like enum, enum, enum, enum
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- # [15:50] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Do you know Surkov's schedule? is he on his way back to Irkutzk?
- # [15:52] * @MarcoZ got a review from a patch today that he submitted in February of 2009. And it didn't need much rebasing. And it landed successfully on Inbound. Yay! :)
- # [15:58] <@davidb> MarcoZ: he mentioned he should be back properly on the 24th
- # [15:58] <@davidb> wuh!?
- # [15:58] <@davidb> which patch?
- # [15:59] <@davidb> I have a meeting with him and Joanie on Friday
- # [16:00] <@davidb> I'll find out if we can open that wider
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- # [16:00] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Bug 477015.
- # [16:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477015 nor, --, mozilla12, marco.zehe, ASSI, Create namerules based tests for accessible name of images.
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- # [16:01] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Ah, so he's probably in transit today.
- # [16:06] <@davidb> Yeah, he might layover in Moscow
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- # [16:09] <@davidb> MarcoZ: I checked. He arrives in Irkutsk tomorrow.
- # [16:10] <@MarcoZ> davidb: OK!
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- # [16:14] <@davidb> MarcoZ: finding js bugs eh?
- # [16:14] <@davidb> all good.
- # [16:14] <@davidb> I wonder if we uncover weak spots (our engine)
- # [16:14] <@davidb> weak spots in js
- # [16:17] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Not me, a community member from the US. A JAWS user who started sending me crash reports a few weeks back.
- # [16:18] <@MarcoZ> He finds them in all the places, I just report them.
- # [16:18] <@davidb> great
- # [16:19] <@MarcoZ> davidb: So, I believe bug 678965 landed on Sat or so. I am running the latest nightly. Perhaps you're seeing something on the telemetry?
- # [16:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678965 nor, --, mozilla12, bolterbugz, RESO FIXED, telemetry for injected screen reader dll's
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- # [16:24] * @davidb looks
- # [16:25] <@davidb> MarcoZ: doesn't look to be indexed yet
- # [16:27] <@MarcoZ> davidb: OK!
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- # [16:50] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I'm not sure I understand
- # [16:50] <@davidb> tbsaunde: context?
- # [16:51] * @davidb has limited scrollback
- # [16:51] <@tbsaunde> davidb: your enum thing for roles
- # [16:51] <@davidb> oh
- # [16:51] <@davidb> tbsaunde: so I was thinking that Alex's problem with readability might be solvable
- # [16:51] <@davidb> if we just had a text file with ROLE_FOO, ROLE_BAR, ROLE_SWISH mapping lines
- # [16:52] <@tbsaunde> I see
- # [16:52] <@tbsaunde> so, your suggesting just remove the macro wrapping the list of things?
- # [16:52] <@davidb> yeah, just wondering aloud if we could make it even simpler
- # [16:52] <@tbsaunde> well, I that's not what I read his problem as
- # [16:53] <@davidb> his other problem is having platform specific stuff in base i think
- # [16:53] <@tbsaunde> and I think doing it would probably require running a script during the build
- # [16:53] * @davidb nods
- # [16:53] <@tbsaunde> I thought it was that, and the fact each line had a bunch of stuff
- # [16:54] <@davidb> i would recommend not line wrapping for this file. at all.
- # [16:54] <@tbsaunde> we probably can run scripts during the build, but its more anoying I'd expect
- # [16:54] <@davidb> yes and time consuming
- # [16:54] <@tbsaunde> yes, same
- # [16:54] <@davidb> anyways, best to pick this up again when he's online I think
- # [16:54] <@tbsaunde> I'd doubt that its significantly slower than the compiler
- # [16:54] * @davidb nods
- # [16:55] <@tbsaunde> yeah
- # [16:55] <@davidb> unless we use java :)
- # [16:55] <@davidb> tokenizerFactory.get("StringTokenizer").tokenize.
- # [16:55] <@davidb> etc
- # [16:55] <@tbsaunde> I'd expect python which is slow, but the compiler has machinary too so
- # [16:56] <@davidb> yeah some kind of pragma like meta stuff
- # [16:56] <@tbsaunde> its been a while since I wrote java but I don't remember it as being that bad
- # [16:56] <@davidb> it can get as bad as the engineer is clever.
- # [16:57] <@davidb> for some definition of clever
- # [16:57] <@davidb> but I did enjoy java, to be honest.
- # [16:58] <@davidb> i felt the language faded to the background more than i find with C++
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- # [17:14] <@MarcoZ> Hi hub!
- # [17:14] <@hub> hi
- # [17:15] <@davidb> heyo
- # [17:16] <@hub> davidb: looks like I'm gonna order the RAM.
- # [17:16] <@hub> *sigh*
- # [17:18] * @davidb looks
- # [17:19] <@davidb> hub: yes, please do. and sorry.
- # [17:19] <@MarcoZ> hub: Congrats on your level 3 access!
- # [17:21] <@hub> thanks
- # [17:22] <@hub> davidb: canadaram is twice the price of newegg...
- # [17:31] <@davidb> hub: go with new egg i guess
- # [17:32] <@hub> done
- # [17:32] <@hub> :-)
- # [17:36] <@davidb> *sigh*
- # [17:36] <@davidb> good
- # [17:42] <@davidb> tbsaunde: desktop fixed my phone, fwiw
- # [17:44] <@tbsaunde> davidb: good
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- # [17:54] <@MarcoZ> Would love to go ahead and land some patches, but all of those who are in the loop still have review comments to be addressed. :D
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- # [18:22] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I believe bug 707654 causes problems with iFrames and NVDA virtual buffers.
- # [18:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707654 nor, --, mozilla12, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, embeds relation on root accessible can return not content document
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- # [18:42] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 720393 filed by marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
- # [18:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=720393 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, NVDA's virtual buffer often breaks with iFrames, started January 23, 2012 build.
- # [18:47] <@MarcoZ> Oh man this is bad, today's nightly is hardly useable with some sites. Each page that embeds the "Tweet" or "Like" iframes breaks as soon as NVDA's virtual buffer lands on them.
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- # [18:49] <@MarcoZ> davidb: ^
- # [19:04] <@hub> ok, going to the office
- # [19:04] <@hub> c-ya in a bit
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- # [19:08] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 707654 from RESOLVED to REOPENED.
- # [19:08] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk cleared the Resolution 'FIXED' from bug 707654.
- # [19:08] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 707654 from mozilla12 to ---.
- # [19:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707654 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, REOP, embeds relation on root accessible can return not content document
- # [19:12] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 720393 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [19:12] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 720393 to FIXED.
- # [19:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=720393 maj, --, ---, nobody, RESO FIXED, NVDA's virtual buffer often breaks with iFrames, started January 23, 2012 build.
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- # [19:27] <@davidb> MarcoZ: back it out is my vote
- # [19:28] <@davidb> MarcoZ: is this the bug that gcp was discussing?
- # [19:29] <@davidb> MarcoZ: r+ to backout.
- # [19:29] <@davidb> I mean you have my r+
- # [19:30] <@hub> I have done one last change to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712923 following surkov last comment. Can somebody review it?
- # [19:30] <@firebot> Bug 712923 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] Heading elements h1 through h6 are not recognizable by VoiceOver
- # [19:31] <@MarcoZ> hub: Sure!
- # [19:31] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Thanks! Ed Morley and I decided to go ahead and back it out. He even triggered new nightly builds so NVDA and possibly other users won't have to wait until tomorrow to get good builds again.
- # [19:32] <@davidb> MarcoZ: good
- # [19:32] <@hub> davidb: vidyo in 5?
- # [19:32] <@davidb> hub: yep
- # [19:32] <@MarcoZ> hub: Looking now.
- # [19:35] <@hub> danke schön
- # [19:36] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted review for attachment 590758 on bug 712923.
- # [19:36] <@MarcoZ> hub: Wow, where did you find the ö? :)
- # [19:37] <@hub> option-u then o
- # [19:37] <@hub> I can type most accent with the US keyboard
- # [19:37] <@davidb> hub: my room ok? (9066)
- # [19:37] <@hub> on a Mac
- # [19:37] <@hub> and on Linux
- # [19:37] <@hub> davidb: it is
- # [19:37] <@MarcoZ> hub: Nice!
- # [19:38] <@hub> on Linux I configure right-alt to be compose
- # [19:38] <@hub> davidb: I'm in there :-)
- # [19:38] <@davidb> so am… i?
- # [19:38] <@hub> let's try again
- # [19:43] <@MarcoZ> Vidyo pains?
- # [19:44] <@davidb> sorted
- # [20:01] <@MarcoZ> Brought a11y repo onto the same level as m-c again.
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- # [20:50] * @tbsaunde reminds MarcoZ about "better to ask for forgiveness than permission" ;-)
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- # [20:56] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 477015 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
- # [20:56] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 477015 to FIXED.
- # [20:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477015 nor, --, mozilla12, marco.zehe, RESO FIXED, Create namerules based tests for accessible name of images.
- # [21:03] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde: Well, it wasn't my patch that broke things. I was just playing fireman. :)
- # [21:04] <@MarcoZ> OK, off for the night. See you all tomorrow!
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- # [23:09] <@tbsaunde> hub: re bug 712923, do as you like
- # [23:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712923 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] Heading elements h1 through h6 are not recognizable by VoiceOver
- # [23:09] <@hub> tbsaunde: the bug is still not in
- # [23:09] <@hub> the patch I mean
- # [23:10] <@tbsaunde> hub: yes, I was responding by saying for or not according to your liking
- # [23:10] <@tbsaunde> s/for/fix/
- # [23:13] <@tbsaunde> especially since mac/ already has plenty of old xpcomy stuff that someone should go through and fix
- # [23:15] <@tbsaunde> hub: ^
- # [23:16] <@hub> I see
- # [23:17] <@tbsaunde> hub: for example GetUnIgnoredParent almost certainly should return an nsAccessible* or maybe an nsAccessibleWrap*
- # [23:22] <@firebot> fmdevelopertim@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 476284 from UNCONFIRMED to RESOLVED.
- # [23:22] <@firebot> fmdevelopertim@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 476284 to WORKSFORME.
- # [23:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=476284 min, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Find marker doesn't go back to grey
- # [23:33] <@eeejay> when is EVENT_HYPERTEXT_LINK_ACTIVATED ever fired? doesn't seem to appear in the source. did it ever?
- # [23:34] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: hoestly I don't know, try surkov?
- # [23:35] <@tbsaunde> or maybe dig through bugzilla
- # [23:35] <@eeejay> yeah
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- # [23:40] <@eeejay> man, i thought we already fired events when links, or controls are clicked
- # [23:40] <@eeejay> boy was i wrong
- # [23:45] <@tbsaunde> heh
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- # [23:46] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: when does document loaded / focus not work for you?
- # [23:47] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, those work, but i expect an event when you activate a link or a pushbutton
- # [23:47] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: oic
- # [23:48] * @tbsaunde shrugs
- # [23:51] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 712923 from --- to mozilla12.
- # [23:51] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712923 nor, --, mozilla12, hub, NEW, [Mac] Heading elements h1 through h6 are not recognizable by VoiceOver
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- # [23:58] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: fireing events for those might be a little interesting since iirc we post a runnable to the event queue to do actoins a lot of the time
- # [23:59] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, hm, not sure what you mean. but i might just listen for a dom event
- # Session Close: Tue Jan 24 00:00:00 2012
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