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  6. # [02:18] <@tbsaunde> surkov: so, it looks eeejay 's patch was what caused the access node stuff to start failing tests
  7. # [02:19] <@tbsaunde> and I'm not sure if I'd pulled since that landed and before pushing to try so I'm not sure try would have helped :/
  8. # [02:21] <@tbsaunde> surkov: and the best part the fix is http://paste.debian.net/155158/]
  9. # [02:21] <@tbsaunde> s/]//
  10. # [02:21] * @tbsaunde mutters something about the brokeness of the world
  11. # [02:22] <@surkov> I see
  12. # [02:23] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I pushed that to try and hopefully it can actually land later tonight or tomorrow
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  24. # [04:57] <@tbsaunde> surkov: any reason to use do_GetService(nsFocusManagerService) instead of nsFocusManager::GetFocusManager()?
  25. # [04:58] <@surkov> tbsaunde: old style I guess
  26. # [04:58] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, was just thinking might make sense to make a good first bug to convert them all to the new style
  27. # [05:01] <@surkov> yep
  28. # [05:02] <@tbsaunde> surkov: you want to do it or shall I?
  29. # [05:02] <@surkov> tbsaunde: 'd be nice if you can do this
  30. # [05:02] <@tbsaunde> ok
  31. # [05:08] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 724452 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
  32. # [05:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=724452 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, use nsFocusManager::GetFocusManager() more
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  41. # [06:12] <@surkov> tbsaunde: so do we go with CanHaveChildrenForAnonContent name?
  42. # [06:15] <@surkov> don't you like short AreAnonChildrenAllowed?
  43. # [06:16] <@surkov> or CanHaveAnonChildren
  44. # [06:18] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I can live with CanHaveAnonChildren
  45. # [06:18] <@surkov> tbsaunde: which one do you like more?
  46. # [06:20] <@tbsaunde> surkov: oh, I mean I think I like the last best
  47. # [06:20] <@tbsaunde> but not a big deal
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  49. # [06:21] <@surkov> ok, so then go with CanHaveAnonChildren
  50. # [06:27] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, if you like it
  51. # [06:27] <@surkov> ok
  52. # [06:27] <@surkov> I do
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  55. # [06:49] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 594569 on bug 689540.
  56. # [06:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=689540 nor, P3, ---, markcapella, NEW, Expose IA2 margin- object attributes
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  58. # [06:53] <@tbsaunde> surkov: does it make sense for those margine attributes to be set on an accessible that doesn't implement nsIAccessibleText?
  59. # [06:54] <@surkov> tbsaunde: iirc spec says nothing about that, CSS style is applicable to any element
  60. # [06:55] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 594209 on bug 719754.
  61. # [06:55] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok, I gues that makes sense
  62. # [06:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719754 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, REOP, Rewrite a11y tests that put <tabbrowser> in random XUL documents and expect it to work
  63. # [06:56] <@tbsaunde> though I wonder what it does
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  65. # [06:58] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 586818 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  66. # [06:58] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 586818 to FIXED.
  67. # [06:58] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 586818 from mozilla2.0 to mozilla13.
  68. # [06:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=586818 nor, P2, mozilla13, nobody, RESO FIXED, Renable test for chrome://mochikit/content/a11y/accessible/test_name_nsRootAcc.xul | Test timed out.
  69. # [06:58] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 525175 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  70. # [06:58] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 525175 to FIXED.
  71. # [06:58] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 525175 from --- to mozilla13.
  72. # [06:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=525175 nor, --, mozilla13, nobody, RESO FIXED, Fix timing issue with test_name_nsRootAcc.xul on Linux.
  73. # [07:16] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 594637 on bug 689540.
  74. # [07:16] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=689540 nor, P3, ---, markcapella, NEW, Expose IA2 margin- object attributes
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  77. # [08:14] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 594637 on bug 689540.
  78. # [08:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=689540 nor, P3, ---, markcapella, NEW, Expose IA2 margin- object attributes
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  82. # [09:48] <@firebot> tim.miao@oracle.com changed the Component on bug 724477 from Menus to Disability Access.
  83. # [09:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=724477 nor, P3, ---, nobody, UNCO, The sub-menu of 'Character encoding' can't be read by orca speech
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  103. # [12:18] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from marco.zehe@googlemail.com for attachment 594105 on bug 723833.
  104. # [12:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723833 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, IAccessibleText::setCaretOffset on location or search bar causes focus to jump
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  106. # [12:30] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted review for attachment 594105 on bug 723833.
  107. # [12:30] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723833 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, IAccessibleText::setCaretOffset on location or search bar causes focus to jump
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  113. # [13:07] <@askalski> morning everyone!
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  117. # [13:17] <@askalski> tbsaunde, is there a channel where someone can help me fix VPN? I
  118. # [13:18] <@askalski> I'm working on a IRC-disabled network, and I want to route IRC via Mozilla's VPN in order to chat normally
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  123. # [13:23] <@askalski> ha! got it worked out!
  124. # [13:27] <@askalski> tbsaunde, about telemetry, got a minute?
  125. # [13:30] <@askalski> MarcoZ, got a minute?
  126. # [13:31] <@MarcoZ> askalski: Yep, what's up?
  127. # [13:31] <@askalski> I am working on bug 717506
  128. # [13:31] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=717506 nor, --, ---, askalski, NEW, telemetry for xforms use
  129. # [13:31] <@MarcoZ> askalski: OK
  130. # [13:31] <@askalski> I got figured out from discussion, that they want me to count number of XForms instantiated in pages
  131. # [13:31] <@askalski> right?
  132. # [13:32] <@askalski> two questions: 1) is then the trigger in the right place (see patch code, it's a constructor of base class)
  133. # [13:33] <@MarcoZ> askalski: That's what I understood too. Basically we want to know the number of instances XForms is being used.
  134. # [13:33] <@askalski> and 2) can you propose some constraints to telemetry histogram? Because I undarstand that boolean is not what we want now
  135. # [13:34] <@askalski> so I was thinking about cloning "max = 10 000" as everywhere, but I don't know what is the "bucket"
  136. # [13:34] <@askalski> "bucket count"
  137. # [13:34] <@askalski> the fourth argument to HISTOGRAM macro in TelemetryHistograms.h
  138. # [13:34] <@MarcoZ> Let me have a look. Haven't done much with tleemetry either, that's always been tbsaunde and davidb.
  139. # [13:35] <@askalski> I guess I can do it on my own if you don't have time now
  140. # [13:35] <@askalski> just explain me what is the bucket count in histogram :D
  141. # [13:37] <@MarcoZ> askalski: That I have no idea about I must admit! :D
  142. # [13:37] <@MarcoZ> askalski: I would use one of our previous telementry patches as guideline, for example the one about use of IAccessibleTable.
  143. # [13:38] <@MarcoZ> askalski: That's basically the same: We want to know if this now depricated interface is being used.
  144. # [13:38] <@MarcoZ> Also boolean (which we don#t want apparently).
  145. # [13:39] <@tbsaunde> askalski: I seem to remeber saying what you had was fine for nw
  146. # [13:39] <@askalski> yes, but I want to switch to non-boolean, right?
  147. # [13:40] * @tbsaunde doesn't really remembber off hand
  148. # [13:40] <@tbsaunde> askalski: I don't think so
  149. # [13:40] <@askalski> tbsaunde, ^
  150. # [13:41] <@tbsaunde> askalski: for vpn no idea, I never use the vpn just ssh to office.mtv1.mozilla.com
  151. # [13:41] <@askalski> tbsaunde, got it worked out, thanks
  152. # [13:41] <@tbsaunde> and then do what ever I need to do on the private network
  153. # [13:41] <@tbsaunde> for irc you can run irssi in screen on people.mozilla.org if you like
  154. # [13:42] <@askalski> tbsaunde, I set the routing table to go IRC via VPN, so I am accessing irc servers from california offices :)
  155. # [13:42] <@askalski> tbsaunde, so I should keep the boolean histogram, right?
  156. # [13:43] <@tbsaunde> askalski: probably?
  157. # [13:43] <@askalski> tbsaunde, so how does the telemetry works, it collects data from all tabs, right?
  158. # [13:43] <@tbsaunde> look at what I said in the bug and what we did for other things
  159. # [13:43] <@tbsaunde> sorry just woke up
  160. # [13:43] <@tbsaunde> well, it collects data for the whole process
  161. # [13:44] <@askalski> tbsaunde, ok, so for each process I will have only one boolean value, "instantiated or not"
  162. # [13:44] <@askalski> tbsaunde, right, I haven't read the "but it seems complicated"
  163. # [13:44] <@askalski> suffix
  164. # [13:44] <@askalski> :D
  165. # [13:44] <@askalski> sorry to bother you
  166. # [13:44] <@tbsaunde> askalski: no, you'll add a boolean each time a thing is created
  167. # [13:45] <@askalski> tbsaunde, why?
  168. # [13:45] <@askalski> would't second initiation just override the first one?
  169. # [13:45] <@tbsaunde> askalski: you call accumulate each time the constructor is called no?
  170. # [13:46] <@tbsaunde> no, it adds the number of trues and falses afaik
  171. # [13:46] <@askalski> tbsaunde, 1) what "afaik" means :D 2) I am adding "false" nowhere
  172. # [13:46] <@askalski> (yet)
  173. # [13:46] <@tbsaunde> as fair as I know
  174. # [13:47] <@tbsaunde> *far
  175. # [13:47] <@askalski> tbsaunde, what I found out is that boolean histogram is just a 0-1 int histogram (macro definition says so) so I guess that what my patch does right now
  176. # [13:47] <@tbsaunde> sure, so you'll have a count N trues 0 falses
  177. # [13:47] <@tbsaunde> a little silly, but what we usually do for these things
  178. # [13:47] <@askalski> tbsaunde, OK
  179. # [13:47] <@askalski> fine with me, I'll test, post, and go for another bug
  180. # [13:47] <@askalski> thanks!
  181. # [13:48] * @tbsaunde -> shower
  182. # [13:53] <@MarcoZ> askalski: That makes sense, since if somebody never uses xforms, you don't want to know. You only want to know if they use it, so only counting the trues, as tbsaunde says, is the proper thing to do.
  183. # [13:53] <@MarcoZ> askalski: For example I'll never use xforms (at least I don't expect to run over these beasts ever again), so why should I contribute to this historgram? ;-)
  184. # [13:53] <@askalski> MarcoZ, you're right
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  224. # [15:14] <@davidb> heyo
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  231. # [15:22] <@MarcoZ> Hi all!
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  240. # [15:54] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Hi! Landed my Friday's hard work! *g*
  241. # [15:54] <@davidb> Nice!
  242. # [15:56] <@davidb> MarcoZ: we need to figure out what to do with the Firefox VPAT in the new age of trains.
  243. # [15:56] <@davidb> I propose we just have one living document based on the latest release.
  244. # [15:56] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Oh...that....
  245. # [15:56] <@davidb> It could even be community run.
  246. # [15:56] <@davidb> on wiki.m.o
  247. # [15:57] <@davidb> I'm thinking of asking Ken.
  248. # [15:57] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I think that's a good idea, both of it!
  249. # [15:57] <@davidb> cool
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  251. # [15:57] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Although I could then keep an eye on the version, too. The current VPAT is just a PITA to edit.
  252. # [15:57] <@davidb> yeah
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  260. # [16:17] * @MarcoZ wasn't backed out in the last 3 hours. Seems to stick.
  261. # [16:20] <@davidb> MarcoZ: no recent sign of Murali eh? (bug 702560)
  262. # [16:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=702560 nor, --, ---, murali.sr92, NEW, add a11y mochitest for HTML 5 contextmenu
  263. # [16:20] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Nope.
  264. # [16:20] <@davidb> it is a bit tricky
  265. # [16:21] <@davidb> BTW I didn't mean to take on mentorship for that one. I just happened to be around when he was first asking for help. You are welcome to remain the official mentor.
  266. # [16:21] <@firebot> joey.blacksmith@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 594702 on bug 723796.
  267. # [16:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723796 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, rename nsAccessible::GetAllowsAnonChildAccessibles
  268. # [16:21] <@davidb> oho!
  269. # [16:22] <@davidb> oh that's a straight up rename
  270. # [16:23] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Yep, but needs to be done anyways.
  271. # [16:23] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I'll remain official mentor, but whoever comes first in providing input should do it, if he returns and we didn't scare him off.
  272. # [16:24] <@davidb> yeah
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  274. # [16:51] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Wondering whether bug 689540 is ready to land?
  275. # [16:51] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=689540 nor, P3, ---, markcapella, NEW, Expose IA2 margin- object attributes
  276. # [16:51] <@davidb> better build it first
  277. # [16:57] <@MarcoZ> davidb: ;)
  278. # [16:58] <@davidb> clown_mtg: I can't ping irc.w3.org. Can you?
  279. # [17:00] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I can it appears to be mcclure.w3.org 128.30.52.28
  280. # [17:00] <@davidb> same here but no pingback
  281. # [17:00] <@askalski> hi, I have a hg problem. I created a patch without popping previous one. can someone tell me how to apply the top one without applying the bottom one?
  282. # [17:00] <@davidb> askalski!
  283. # [17:00] <@davidb> hi
  284. # [17:01] <@askalski> hi David :)
  285. # [17:01] <@tbsaunde> davidb: definitely gettings stuff back here
  286. # [17:01] <@davidb> askalski: if you haven't qrefreshed, you can hg qnew -f new patch
  287. # [17:01] <@tbsaunde> askalski: I think you want hg qpush --move
  288. # [17:02] * @tbsaunde mutters something about queues being a fundimentally broken model
  289. # [17:02] <@askalski> davidb, I need to apply only the second patch without applying a first one. no new patches to be created
  290. # [17:02] <@davidb> ok
  291. # [17:02] <@askalski> tbsaunde, can you expand it ? hg qpush --move second_patch? or what
  292. # [17:03] <@davidb> well i usually edit .hg/patchs/series - but tbsaunde's way should work
  293. # [17:03] <@davidb> hg help qpush :)
  294. # [17:03] <@tbsaunde> askalski: yes, hg qpush --move patch you want to appply
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  296. # [17:04] <@askalski> tbsaunde, works, thanks. I had some really hard time guessing why tests fail :)
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  301. # [17:14] <richardschwerdtfeger> Action: Joseph remove use of space bar from APG for link design pattern
  302. # [17:15] <@davidb> richardschwerdtfeger: wrong channel :)
  303. # [17:15] <clown_mtg> richardschwerdtfeger: that should be for the pf channel!
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  308. # [17:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=689540 nor, P3, ---, markcapella, NEW, Expose IA2 margin- object attributes
  309. # [17:20] <richardschwerdtfeger> davidb: can you join the PF call
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  314. # [17:27] <@MarcoZ> Good morning hub!
  315. # [17:28] <@MarcoZ> Hub: Out of curiosity: Anything new to play with for me in the near future?
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  319. # [17:38] <@davidb|mtg> heyo
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  326. # [17:47] <@firebot> askalski@mozilla.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 594719 on bug 717506.
  327. # [17:47] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=717506 nor, --, ---, askalski, NEW, telemetry for xforms use
  328. # [17:48] <@MarcoZ> aaronlev: Do you have connections to web devs working on Gmail?
  329. # [17:48] <@MarcoZ> aaronlev: Hi BTW!
  330. # [17:49] <aaronlev> MarcoZ: not yet
  331. # [17:49] * davidb|afk is now known as davidb
  332. # [17:49] <aaronlev> i haven't gotten much traction yet
  333. # [17:49] <aaronlev> ask dominic mazzoni
  334. # [17:49] <@MarcoZ> aaronlev: OK! Bause: All of Gmail's newest interface is now an role="application", and the only way you can get to stuff is by tabbing.
  335. # [17:49] <@askalski> tbsaunde, davidb, I posted the patch. Now I am going to have a short break (I am relocating) and be back at work this evening
  336. # [17:49] <@askalski> bye
  337. # [17:50] <@MarcoZ> s/Bause/because/
  338. # [17:50] <@MarcoZ> bye askalski!
  339. # [17:50] <@davidb> cool
  340. # [17:50] <@askalski> MarcoZ, bye :)
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  344. # [18:02] <@davidb> hub: debrief in 5
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  346. # [18:09] <@davidb> hub: you there?
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  350. # [18:35] <@hub> davidb: I got a mail that this debrief had been cancelled. :-/
  351. # [18:35] <@davidb> hub: that's unfortunate!
  352. # [18:35] <@hub> s/mail/zimbra calendar notification/
  353. # [18:36] <@davidb> i'll debrief backchannel
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  355. # [18:39] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted in-testsuite on bug 689540.
  356. # [18:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=689540 nor, P3, ---, markcapella, NEW, Expose IA2 margin- object attributes
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  359. # [19:05] <@hub> ok, going to the office now
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  361. # [19:13] <@davidb> MarcoZ: who originally created markup.js (for our name testing)
  362. # [19:13] <@davidb> ?
  363. # [19:17] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I believe it was surkov during our "wild" times in later 2008.
  364. # [19:17] <@davidb> hahah
  365. # [19:17] <@MarcoZ> davidb: We were looking for an efficient way to test the different name markup structures.
  366. # [19:21] <@davidb> on one hand i like it, and on the other i think it makes things less transparent.
  367. # [19:21] <@davidb> but mostly i think we could do more of this kind of thing
  368. # [19:22] <@MarcoZ> davidb: The alternative would have been to create the same piece of element over and over, just taking away or adding a supported attribute at a time.
  369. # [19:22] * @davidb nods
  370. # [19:23] <@MarcoZ> davidb: This just automates this by creating the element with the different pieces puzzled together, taking away the attributes in a specific order.
  371. # [19:24] <@MarcoZ> Looks like Mark's patch didn't burn the tree. It built fine on my system, too.
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  375. # [19:25] <@davidb> good good
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  377. # [19:46] <@davidb> hi jhk
  378. # [19:46] <@davidb> hi eeejay
  379. # [19:46] <@eeejay> davidb, hi!
  380. # [19:46] <jhk> hi davidb
  381. # [19:47] <@hub> hi
  382. # [19:51] <@eeejay> <-- running to find coffee
  383. # [19:52] <@davidb> you're in seattle, how hard can it be?
  384. # [19:52] <@hub> as hard as in Vancouver I guess ;-)
  385. # [19:52] <@davidb> :)
  386. # [19:52] <@hub> where Starbucks coverage is better than the cellphones
  387. # [19:53] <@hub> a Tim Hortons opened near the office. it is already packed
  388. # [19:53] <@davidb> i can't fall down with out hitting a coffee shop
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  391. # [20:17] <@eeejay> surprisingly our china town has very little coffee options
  392. # [20:17] <@eeejay> decent coffee is a 7 minute walk away (i know!)
  393. # [20:18] <@askalski> hi, I am back
  394. # [20:18] <@hub> eeejay: time to buy supplied to make coffee ;-)
  395. # [20:18] <@eeejay> yeah
  396. # [20:18] <@hub> espresso machine, aeropress, you name it
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  400. # [20:24] <@davidb> eeejay: if there is a vietnamese place hiding in china town that can be decent for coffee
  401. # [20:25] <@eeejay> davidb, true, french colonial style :)
  402. # [20:25] <@davidb> oui
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  408. # [20:48] <@MarcoZ> Oops I think I did it again. Wrote a blog post that turned out waaaay longer than I originally thought. But I must admit it's one of my better ones. ;)
  409. # [20:52] <@davidb> :)
  410. # [20:52] <@davidb> MarcoZ: typo jumped out at me "funny discoaimer"
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  412. # [20:58] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Ah, thanks!
  413. # [21:00] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Corrected.
  414. # [21:00] <@MarcoZ> And now I'm off for the night. See you all tomorrow!
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  416. # [21:09] <@firebot> khuey@kylehuey.com granted review for attachment 594052 on bug 723797.
  417. # [21:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723797 nor, --, ---, m_kato, NEW, Delayload oleacc.dll
  418. # [21:10] <@davidb> askalski: apparently Mozilla has donated to http://nowoczesnapolska.org.pl/
  419. # [21:12] <@askalski> davidb, nice. they actively oppose ACTA, but I guess Polish hackers taking down .gov sites are more visible medially :)
  420. # [21:13] * @davidb nods
  421. # [21:13] <@askalski> davidb, they do "open books" initiative, that's good
  422. # [21:14] <@askalski> my previous employer is an entropenour in education business, I tried to convince him to donate some of his databases to public domain as a freemium advertising (to raise popularity of his page for example). I must have been not enough convincing :(
  423. # [21:14] <@askalski> yeah, open books are really the future
  424. # [21:15] <@askalski> davidb, did you know, that Polish constitution guarantees free access to all levels of public education for free on fair recruitment process?
  425. # [21:15] <@davidb> amazing
  426. # [21:16] <@askalski> true. I haven't paid for my studies. I have no loan. That's great.
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  428. # [21:16] <@askalski> only books are sold commercially, so there is a strong public movement of creating "open books", so anyone can download them and print, or read on Kindle or anything, to keep the price low
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  430. # [21:17] <@askalski> unfortunately, government is not very supportive with that, these are public initiatives
  431. # [21:17] <@askalski> *private
  432. # [21:18] <@davidb> our local university is surrounded by photocopying places.
  433. # [21:18] <@askalski> both the organization you donated, and me to some extent are members of this bottom up movement :)
  434. # [21:18] <@davidb> :)
  435. # [21:18] <@davidb> seems very "Mozilla"
  436. # [21:19] <@askalski> yes. it does.
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  442. # [21:35] <@askalski> davidb, got a minute? I have a question to a bug
  443. # [21:35] <@davidb> sure
  444. # [21:35] <@askalski> again bug 706134
  445. # [21:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=706134 nor, --, ---, askalski, NEW, ARIA listitem shouldn't expose selectable state and pick up aria-selected and aria-checked
  446. # [21:35] <@askalski> I removed http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/accessible/src/base/nsARIAMap.cpp#260 and 261
  447. # [21:36] <@askalski> so now it has no nsARIA records at all
  448. # [21:36] <@askalski> I understand that it does follow http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-wai-aria-20100916/roles#listitem
  449. # [21:36] <@davidb> ok looking now
  450. # [21:36] <@askalski> but now making the tests to work means removing pretty much all interaction with listitem
  451. # [21:36] <@askalski> everywhere
  452. # [21:37] <@davidb> really?
  453. # [21:37] <@davidb> well try to be surgical if you can
  454. # [21:37] <@askalski> I tried
  455. # [21:37] <@askalski> for example
  456. # [21:37] <@askalski> in test_aria_token_attrs.html
  457. # [21:38] <@askalski> it's all about checking whether listitems are checkable. I removed all tests. Tried to think about any (like readonly or something), but I was not sure what HTML to create for that
  458. # [21:38] <@askalski> more importantly
  459. # [21:39] <@askalski> or, maybe skype and I'll show you my desktop
  460. # [21:39] <@askalski> or I'll just propose the patch
  461. # [21:39] <@askalski> and we'll discuss it later
  462. # [21:40] <@davidb> the patch way is preferred
  463. # [21:40] <@askalski> ok
  464. # [21:40] <@davidb> thanks
  465. # [21:40] <@askalski> no problem
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  468. # [21:47] <@tbsaunde> askalski: testStates() allows you to specify states that should not be present
  469. # [21:47] <@tbsaunde> read the functions definition in states.js
  470. # [21:48] <@askalski> tbsaunde, thanks! it's certainly better than ripping things off. can you tell me now how to revert a single file with HG :D?
  471. # [21:50] <@tbsaunde> askalski: hg revert --all
  472. # [21:50] <@askalski> tbsaunde, single file?
  473. # [21:50] <@tbsaunde> err, not --all of course
  474. # [21:52] <@davidb> probably revert -f fname
  475. # [21:52] <@davidb> not sture
  476. # [21:52] <@davidb> -t
  477. # [21:53] <@tbsaunde> askalski: that's what hg help revert is for ;)
  478. # [21:53] <@askalski> tbsaunde, I see. thanks, back in modding tests :)
  479. # [21:54] <@tbsaunde> because the people who wrote mercurial wheren't content with there other silliness and decided manpages just wheren't good enough for them :p
  480. # [21:54] <@askalski> tbsaunde, something more
  481. # [21:54] <@askalski> is there a way
  482. # [21:54] <@askalski> to run
  483. # [21:54] <@askalski> a single test
  484. # [21:54] <@askalski> not all of them?
  485. # [21:56] <@tbsaunde> TEST_PATH=accessible/test_foo.html make -C objdir mochitest-a11y
  486. # [21:56] <@tbsaunde> or --test-path to runtests.py if that how you like to do things
  487. # [21:59] <@askalski> tbsaunde, ok. if the listbox is multi-selectable, but it's children (listitems) are not checkable in nsARIAmap.cpp, should I expect them to be checkable (in tests) or not?
  488. # [22:00] <@tbsaunde> askalski: selectable and checkable are different states and not related
  489. # [22:01] <@tbsaunde> so there is no reason to believe the items are because the list is multiselectable
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  491. # [22:04] <@askalski> tbsaunde, so I should just change these tests in order to assure that items are not selectable, right?
  492. # [22:05] <@tbsaunde> askalski: well, ensure they aren't whatever we think they should be now but you changed
  493. # [22:26] <aaronlev> richardschwerdtfeger: is the official actf work done at linux foundation now? Not at Eclipse?
  494. # [22:28] <@askalski> davidb, I am going asleep, it's 22:20 in Madrid. Can we do our 1:1 tomorrow at 16:00 Toronto time?
  495. # [22:28] <@davidb> askalski: 1 min
  496. # [22:28] <@askalski> ok
  497. # [22:28] <@davidb> askalski: I have it in my calendar for 10 am my time
  498. # [22:28] <@davidb> my afternoon is completely slammed
  499. # [22:28] <@davidb> (== full)
  500. # [22:28] <@askalski> askalski, hmm, I will do my best to attend, ok?
  501. # [22:28] <@davidb> yep
  502. # [22:29] <@davidb> have a nice night
  503. # [22:29] <@askalski> askalski, I need to find a good spot at my gf's Uni
  504. # [22:29] <@askalski> davidb, and test the connection
  505. # [22:29] <@davidb> :)
  506. # [22:29] <@askalski> OK, good that we checked that out
  507. # [22:29] <@askalski> thanks, and bye!
  508. # [22:29] <@davidb> ciao!
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  511. # [22:34] <@firebot> sgautherie.bz@free.fr denied in-testsuite on bug 586818.
  512. # [22:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=586818 nor, P2, mozilla13, nobody, RESO FIXED, Renable test for chrome://mochikit/content/a11y/accessible/test_name_nsRootAcc.xul | Test timed out.
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  516. # [22:40] <@firebot> sgautherie.bz@free.fr denied in-testsuite on bug 525175.
  517. # [22:40] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=525175 nor, --, mozilla13, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, Fix timing issue with test_name_nsRootAcc.xul on Linux.
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  520. # [23:06] <@tbsaunde> /win 22
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