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  14. # [01:14] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 596278 on bug 725647.
  15. # [01:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=725647 maj, --, mozilla13, markcapella, RESO FIXED, [SeaMonkey] mochitest-a11y: test_embeds.xul needs to support non-Firefox applications too
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  37. # [08:35] <@firebot> matti@mversen.de changed the Component on bug 364523 from Disability Access to Untriaged.
  38. # [08:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364523 tri, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, jidanni's Debian firefox bugs
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  41. # [09:13] <@tbsaunde> ugh, todays nightly seems to be pretty broken with orca :/
  42. # [09:31] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 726931 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  43. # [09:31] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726931 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, ARIA treeitem shouldn't pick up the name from nested treeitems
  44. # [09:31] <@surkov> tbsaunde: please figure this out and file bugs
  45. # [09:31] <@surkov> three bugs were landed iirc
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  47. # [10:06] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, I'll look soon
  48. # [10:07] <@surkov> thank you!
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  53. # [11:28] <@firebot> joey.blacksmith@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 596950 on bug 726507.
  54. # [11:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726507 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, HTML and XUL accessible classes shouldn't use nsAccessibilityService::GetAccessible
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  57. # [11:48] <@askalski> morning everyone!
  58. # [11:53] <@askalski> MarcoZ, the make mochitest-a11y does not work on debian, as it defines 1) python2.7 that is not in stable and 2) it (by default) installs from sources somewhere else
  59. # [11:53] <@askalski> should I make it bug? can we address it?
  60. # [11:54] <@MarcoZ> askalski: Phew, no idea. This seems to be a general build problem.
  61. # [11:55] <@MarcoZ> askalski: You can file a bug, but I have no idea whether this will be addressed or *how* it can be. I've given up keeping track of what's in what Linux distro a ges ago. *g*
  62. # [11:55] <@askalski> MarcoZ, well, after they messed Gnome, it's the last place to look for a stable gnome 2...
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  66. # [12:08] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde: Could it be that you're seeing similar things as bug 726097 describes, meaning regressions from bug 672504? I don't see anything worse broken in Monday's nightly than in Sunday's.
  67. # [12:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726097 blo, --, ---, hub, NEW, Hit testing broken
  68. # [12:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672504 nor, --, mozilla13, hub, RESO FIXED, Don't keep pointer to weak presshell in accessible
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  86. # [13:28] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com denied review for attachment 596950 on bug 726507.
  87. # [13:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726507 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, HTML and XUL accessible classes shouldn't use nsAccessibilityService::GetAccessible
  88. # [13:29] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 726507 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
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  95. # [15:01] <@tbsaunde> surkov: for bug 606080 why not just log timestamps for creates and destroys with a printf in the ctor / dtor for nsAccessible?
  96. # [15:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=606080 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, (64bit) fix unique id casting to NS_PTR_TO_INT32 issue
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  99. # [15:02] <@surkov> tbsaunde: that works, I'd liked to have some API for perf regressions tests
  100. # [15:02] <@surkov> but I agree that's easiest way to try the approach
  101. # [15:04] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I see
  102. # [15:04] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I'm not really sure why that itself is something we care about for perf regressions
  103. # [15:05] <@tbsaunde> I'd think more useful things would be how much does DOM talos perf regress when we are running
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  106. # [15:12] <@surkov> tbsaunde: that's true, but existing approach allows us to know there's perf regression, and if we could measure specific parts of code (not their mapping into a11y api) then it must be much easier to find what went wrong, anyway
  107. # [15:12] <@surkov> that looks like separate task
  108. # [15:16] <@firebot> joey.blacksmith@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 596994 on bug 726507.
  109. # [15:16] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726507 nor, --, ---, joey.blacksmith, ASSI, HTML and XUL accessible classes shouldn't use nsAccessibilityService::GetAccessible
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  114. # [15:58] <@tbsaunde> surkov: well, there probably would be a perf regression, but I could believe there are cases where it isn't
  115. # [15:58] <@tbsaunde> surkov: anyway do we coalesce show / hide events or could you use those for this?
  116. # [15:59] <@surkov> I didn't catch how show/hide are related with this
  117. # [16:00] <@tbsaunde> surkov: well, you want to know whenever an accessible is created / destroyed so you can test how many times it happens no?
  118. # [16:01] <@tbsaunde> it ocured to me while I was off showering that show / hide events should be enough for this shouldn't they?
  119. # [16:02] <@surkov> tbsaunde: sorry, about which problem do you talk?
  120. # [16:03] <@tbsaunde> surkov: your wanting an api for perf regressions that told you when accessibles are created / destroyed which was a tangent from bug 606080
  121. # [16:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=606080 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, (64bit) fix unique id casting to NS_PTR_TO_INT32 issue
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  123. # [16:04] <@surkov> tbsaunde: ah, that API was supposed to be wider that this problem :)
  124. # [16:04] <@surkov> for example, test our notifications, events flushing
  125. # [16:04] <@surkov> events coalescence
  126. # [16:04] <@surkov> how much time we spend for that or this action
  127. # [16:05] <@surkov> tbsaunde: concerning to 32 bit uniqueid problem, your numbers will always has penalty of event coalescence and other stuffs
  128. # [16:06] <@tbsaunde> surkov: oh, ok
  129. # [16:07] <@tbsaunde> that might be reasonable, or maybe we should just have talos test that causes lots of events to fire for example and see how long it takes, but I'd agree we should make tests for this
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  131. # [16:08] <@tbsaunde> anyway go to run
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  133. # [16:12] <@davidb> tbsaunde: lol (soda)
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  141. # [16:45] <@askalski> hi davidb!
  142. # [16:46] <@davidb> hi askalski!
  143. # [16:46] <@askalski> I am fighting with the algorithm, to be honest, results don't match. I wrote my questions down in an e-mail to doc', and experiment further
  144. # [16:46] <@davidb> askalski: an e-mail to doc?
  145. # [16:47] <@askalski> anyway, the proof of concept is not really working yet
  146. # [16:47] <@davidb> ok, are you stuck?
  147. # [16:47] <@askalski> I wound't say that yet
  148. # [16:47] <@askalski> but in 2-3 hours
  149. # [16:47] <@askalski> :)
  150. # [16:48] <@askalski> if I find no progress, I'll go with range trees and wait for his answer
  151. # [16:48] <@askalski> doc = Krzysztof Onak, Pole from MIMUW, now at MIT specialized in text alg
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  153. # [16:50] <@davidb> ah ok cool
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  161. # [17:37] <jhk> davidb: Any one working on bug 542039 ?
  162. # [17:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=542039 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, nsIFrame should return accessible type
  163. # [17:37] * @davidb looks
  164. # [17:38] <@davidb> jhk: I'm not sure of the status. surkov has a WIP on the bug so probably best to ask him.
  165. # [17:39] <@davidb> jhk: are you using windows?
  166. # [17:39] <jhk> no.
  167. # [17:39] <@davidb> jhk: which os?
  168. # [17:39] <jhk> linux
  169. # [17:39] <@davidb> ok
  170. # [17:39] <@davidb> a real one :)
  171. # [17:40] * @davidb looks over bugs
  172. # [17:40] <jhk> yep tbsaunde pointed this bug to me so I was thinking about it.
  173. # [17:41] <@davidb> it is a good bug, I just don't know status
  174. # [17:44] <jhk> np.. I will discuss it with surkov when he is online.. thanks:)
  175. # [17:44] <@davidb> sure
  176. # [17:45] <@davidb> jhk: want a crash bug?
  177. # [17:45] <@davidb> bug 707488
  178. # [17:45] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707488 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Crash in nsHTMLTextFieldAccessible::NativeRole or nsXULTextFieldAccessible::NativeRole
  179. # [17:47] <jhk> actually surkov gave me one already..
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  181. # [17:48] <jhk> bug 717066
  182. # [17:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=717066 nor, --, mozilla12, jigneshhk1992, RESO FIXED, Remove unnecessary nsresult return value from nsGenericHTMLElement::GetLayoutHistoryAndKey
  183. # [17:49] <jhk> sorry! wrong one
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  189. # [18:14] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I sort of assume surkov has dropped that bug on the floor for now, but who I guess who nows maybe he's hiding a patch or something
  190. # [18:14] <@davidb> yes or changed direction
  191. # [18:16] <@tbsaunde> davidb: in the run sure maybe, but short term I think that bug is still worth to fix
  192. # [18:16] <@tbsaunde> long term I mean
  193. # [18:16] <@davidb> ok
  194. # [18:16] <@tbsaunde> nunless surkov is going to do something big soon I don't know about to treeupdate
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  202. # [18:34] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I assume you think the crash you mentioned to jhk is a IsDefunct9) issue?
  203. # [18:34] <@tbsaunde> err, IsDefunct()
  204. # [18:34] <@davidb> maybe
  205. # [18:34] <@davidb> hi eeejay!
  206. # [18:34] <@davidb> hi hub!
  207. # [18:34] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: hi, you saw I found firefox in the market on my phone right?
  208. # [18:35] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, oh, yeah. thanks
  209. # [18:35] <@tbsaunde> davidb: any reason to think not?
  210. # [18:35] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i didn't look closely
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  212. # [18:35] <jhk> tbsaunde: bug 539683?
  213. # [18:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=539683 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, defunct object methods should return CO_E_OBJECTNOTCONNECTED
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  215. # [18:36] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I haven't looked very closely, and I'd really need local variables to prove it, but we should add the check to CAccessibleText::get_Extents() anyway
  216. # [18:36] <@davidb> jhk: no the crasher
  217. # [18:36] <@davidb> tbsaunde: sounds reasonable
  218. # [18:37] <@tbsaunde> jhk: yes, I believe that bug would fix 707488
  219. # [18:37] <@tbsaunde> davidb: if i'm right the crasher is just a case of the bug jhk mentions
  220. # [18:37] <@davidb> oh!
  221. # [18:38] <@davidb> ok
  222. # [18:38] <@davidb> sorry I'm only 20% in this channel ATM
  223. # [18:38] <@tbsaunde> k$np
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  225. # [18:42] <@davidb> eeejay: how was the trip?
  226. # [18:42] <@eeejay> davidb, crazy whirlwind, but great
  227. # [18:43] <@davidb> good to hear
  228. # [18:43] <@eeejay> 40 accumulated hours in planes and airports
  229. # [18:43] <@davidb> i would hate that
  230. # [18:43] <@eeejay> yeah. someone needs to mass commercialize teleporters
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  241. # [19:18] <@hub> I can't figure out how to run mochitests with just one test. If I do TEST_PATH=content/a11y/accessible/test_childAtPoint.xul make mochitest-a11y
  242. # [19:19] <@hub> it starts the harness but does nothing else
  243. # [19:23] <@eeejay> hub, the test path might be wrong.
  244. # [19:23] <@hub> that's what I thought
  245. # [19:23] <@hub> but I can't figure out the right one
  246. # [19:23] <@eeejay> python runtests.py --console-level=DEBUG --a11y --test-path=accessible/pivot/test_virtualcursor.html
  247. # [19:23] <@eeejay> that is from my bash history
  248. # [19:24] <@hub> doh
  249. # [19:24] <@hub> ok
  250. # [19:24] <@eeejay> in objdir/_tests/testing/mochitest/
  251. # [19:24] <@hub> TEST_PATH=accessible/test_childAtPoint.html make mochitest-a11y
  252. # [19:24] <@hub> that work
  253. # [19:24] <@eeejay> cool
  254. # [19:24] <@hub> thanks
  255. # [19:24] <@hub> I wish I had an error message
  256. # [19:24] * @eeejay agrees
  257. # [19:28] <@davidb> note, in some rare cases, for a given test file, running the whole suite can give a different result that running only that test file.
  258. # [19:29] <@davidb> Just saying, in case you come upon such happenstance.
  259. # [19:34] <@hub> javascript NaNNaNNaN
  260. # [19:34] <@hub> (leader)
  261. # [19:34] <@hub> *sigh*
  262. # [19:36] <@tbsaunde> yeah, o it would be nice if how test-path worked was document somewhere other than the source of runtests.py
  263. # [19:36] * @tbsaunde remembers pointing the ability to run only test out to surkov sometime last summer
  264. # [19:38] <@davidb> is it really not in the wiki?
  265. # [19:39] * @davidb fails to find it in 30 secs
  266. # [19:40] <@hub> davidb: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Mochitest#Debugging_individual_tests
  267. # [19:40] <@hub> but then it does not say exactly how to determine the path
  268. # [19:40] <@davidb> true
  269. # [19:40] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I'm not sure of exactly how path works for a11y tests being document somewhere, but I never really looked
  270. # [19:41] <@davidb> feel free to add it
  271. # [19:44] * @davidb finally gets around to bugmail
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  278. # [20:00] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 727163 filed by nfroyd@mozilla.com.
  279. # [20:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727163 nor, --, ---, nfroyd, ASSI, fix compiler warnings in accessible/
  280. # [20:01] <@firebot> nfroyd@mozilla.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 597093 on bug 727163.
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  289. # [20:45] <@firebot> akeybl@mozilla.com granted approval-mozilla-aurora for attachment 596278 on bug 725647.
  290. # [20:45] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=725647 maj, --, mozilla13, markcapella, RESO FIXED, [SeaMonkey] mochitest-a11y: test_embeds.xul needs to support non-Firefox applications too
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  293. # [21:07] <@eeejay> lunch!
  294. # [21:09] <@davidb> crap, I forgot to pop tylenol before this w3 call
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  296. # [21:44] <@eeejay> haha
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  299. # [21:56] <@davidb> that was a doozy (tylenol seems to be working). i had to leave the call and go somewhere quiet. didn't want to open my right eye for some reason.
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  307. # [22:19] <@hub> ouch
  308. # [22:26] <@davidb> ok, maybe I need to stop looking at screens for a bit
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