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- # Session Start: Wed Feb 15 00:00:00 2012
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [02:38] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from askalski@mozilla.co m for attachment 597093 on bug 727163.
- # [02:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727163 nor, --, ---, nfroyd, ASSI, fix compiler warnings in accessible/
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- # [02:45] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 596994 on bug 726507.
- # [02:45] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726507 nor, --, ---, joey.blacksmith, ASSI, HTML and XUL accessible classes shouldn't use nsAccessibilityService::GetAccessible
- # [02:53] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled review?(surkov.alexander@gm ail.com) for attachment 596524 on bug 691267.
- # [02:53] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691267 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, NEW, HTML input button and HTML 4 button should share the same class
- # [03:04] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 407597 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [03:04] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 407597 to DUPLICATE of bug 689847.
- # [03:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407597 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, expose state active on XUL and ARIA widgets
- # [03:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=689847 nor, --, mozilla11, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, Expose active state on current item of selectable widgets
- # [03:21] <@hub> Jamie: do you build Firefox from source?
- # [03:22] <@hub> Jamie: I have a fix for the hit test breakage, I'd love to know if it works for you too.
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- # [03:24] <@surkov> tbsaunde: hello
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- # [03:46] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 597274 on bug 726097.
- # [03:46] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726097 blo, --, ---, hub, NEW, Hit testing broken
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- # [03:50] <@tbsaunde> surkov: hi
- # [03:51] <surkov> tbsaunde: any update on linux issue?
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- # [03:54] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I built a version from several days ago and it seems still be roken, it feels like a weird networking issue I'm not really sure
- # [03:54] <surkov> ok
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- # [06:20] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 727360 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
- # [06:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727360 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, integrated JS console
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- # [09:09] <@firebot> jigneshhk1992@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 597326 on bug 726283.
- # [09:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726283 nor, --, ---, jigneshhk1992, ASSI, consider using NS_GetContentList() directly in nsHTMLRadioButtonAccessible::GetPositionAndSizeIntern
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- # [12:07] <@firebot> jigneshhk1992@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 597355 on bug 726069.
- # [12:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726069 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, nsAccUtils::GetPositionAndSizeForXULContainerItem should use nsDocAccessible::GetAccessible
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- # [12:34] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled review?(surkov.alexander@gm ail.com) for attachment 597355 on bug 726069.
- # [12:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726069 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, nsAccUtils::GetPositionAndSizeForXULContainerItem should use nsDocAccessible::GetAccessible
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- # [12:46] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ug 727360 is another domi bug right?
- # [12:47] <@surkov> tbsaunde: you're right
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- # [14:35] <@firebot> vlad.ghetiu@softvision.ro changed the Status on bug 724198 from UNCONFIRMED to NEW.
- # [14:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=724198 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, cmd+right/left does not navigate to end/beginning of line in textarea element
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- # [14:51] <@davidb> hi all!
- # [14:51] <@davidb> bbiab
- # [15:03] <@davidb> (back)
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- # [15:10] <@MarcoZ> Hi all!
- # [15:11] <@davidb> Hi MarcoZ!
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- # [15:42] <@askalski> afternoon everyone
- # [15:42] <@askalski> davidb, meeting is in 25, right?
- # [15:42] <@davidb> hi askalski
- # [15:42] <@davidb> 55
- # [15:42] <@davidb> it is always on the half hour
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- # [15:50] <@askalski> surkov, I'll do the review in several hours, ok?
- # [15:50] <@surkov> askalski: sure
- # [16:00] <@MarcoZ> surkov: davidb|mtg: I am seeing crashes like bug 714579 on a very regular basis starting from the Feb 14, 2012 build onwards.
- # [16:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714579 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash nsINode::OwnerDoc
- # [16:00] <@MarcoZ> I previously reported this crash out of a report I got from a community member, and never saw it myself, but now am seeing it *very* frequently.
- # [16:01] <@davidb|mtg> let's roundtable it
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- # [16:18] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 597397 on bug 714579.
- # [16:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714579 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash nsINode::OwnerDoc
- # [16:21] <@davidb> hey guys, please hop into the a11y vidyo room if you can - want to test one of the conf rooms in toronto
- # [16:21] <@davidb> MarcoZ, surkov, hub etc
- # [16:22] <@MarcoZ> Hold on!
- # [16:26] <@hub> just a sec
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- # [16:28] <@surkov> davidb: how to connect?
- # [16:28] <@davidb> surkov: vidyo
- # [16:28] <@davidb> accessibility room
- # [16:29] <@surkov> needs to update
- # [16:31] <@davidb> askalski, tbsaunde, eeejay we're gonna hang around in this room and start the meeting when we're all here
- # [16:32] <@surkov> room status: occupied
- # [16:32] <@askalski> davidb, last 10 minutes I do unsuccessful approaches connecting. Now I update vidyo. If I fail to connect this way I'll go skype at 16:30
- # [16:32] <@askalski> *10:30 Toronto :)
- # [16:32] <@davidb> ok
- # [16:32] <@surkov> call disconnected by operator
- # [16:32] <@surkov> what does it mean?
- # [16:32] <@davidb> surkov: odd
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- # [16:33] <@davidb> jlin will join
- # [16:33] <jlin> hi
- # [16:33] <@davidb> surkov: join is our desktop guy, he is here in a conf room with me.
- # [16:33] <@davidb> join/jlin
- # [16:34] <@surkov> jlin: hi
- # [16:34] <@askalski> davidb, maybe I need some kind of port forwarding?
- # [16:34] <jlin> surkov: hi!
- # [16:34] <jlin> askalski - are you getting dropped?
- # [16:34] <@surkov> davidb: any idea what can be wrong with joining?
- # [16:35] <@askalski> no, I get stucked at 16 on joining?
- # [16:35] <@askalski> * no ? there
- # [16:36] <@hub> muted
- # [16:36] <@hub> still on linux?
- # [16:37] <@askalski> I am using linux client
- # [16:37] <@askalski> davidb, which VM?
- # [16:38] <@askalski> Virtualbox or VMware
- # [16:38] <@hub> askalski: Windows in VBox?
- # [16:38] <@hub> your choice
- # [16:38] <@askalski> hub, so did it work?
- # [16:38] <@hub> askalski: I don't know I use a Mac for Vidyo
- # [16:38] <@askalski> now I got it working using VidyoProxy, so I guess it's about port forwarding
- # [16:38] <@davidb> surkov: giving up?
- # [16:39] <@davidb> i don't know why you can't join :(
- # [16:39] <@davidb> you could try dialling in?
- # [16:39] <@askalski> surkov, try to use VidyoProxy!
- # [16:39] <@askalski> surkov, in options, it helped me
- # [16:39] <@davidb> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Meetings
- # [16:39] <@askalski> davidb, no
- # [16:39] <@askalski> davidb, it's an option
- # [16:39] <@askalski> davidb, in settings, that helped me to connect
- # [16:40] <@davidb> lost eeejay
- # [16:40] <@surkov> askalski: the same
- # [16:40] <@askalski> surkov, linux or windows?
- # [16:41] <@surkov> mac
- # [16:41] <@davidb> here is the room link:
- # [16:41] <@askalski> surkov, whoah, no experience at all
- # [16:41] <jlin> https://v.mozilla.com/flex.html?roomdirect.html&key=DsmJFkwXvWkY
- # [16:42] <@surkov> same
- # [16:43] <@askalski> hub, I can do tests
- # [16:43] <@surkov> no idea
- # [16:44] <@eeejay> sorry, the android client failed. going back to the mac
- # [16:44] <@askalski> hub, both linux and windows, though windows tests would be virtualized
- # [16:45] <@davidb> Agenda: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Meetings/2012-02-15
- # [16:46] <@davidb> surkov, tbsaunde we're just gonna go ahead. we'll type in channel occasionally
- # [16:47] <@surkov> ok
- # [16:47] <@surkov> I'm going to try another internet provider
- # [16:47] <@askalski> hub, davidb, I see a single frame for 20-30 seconds when it comes to framerate
- # [16:47] <@askalski> and the internet here is OK
- # [16:47] <@hub> askalski: yeah I blame the shoddy quality of the client
- # [16:49] <@eeejay> https://github.com/eeejay/mozilla-central
- # [16:49] <@eeejay> https://github.com/eeejay/mozilla-central/tree/android-a11y-wrapper
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- # [16:51] <jlin> there is someone who called into the room via audio I believe
- # [16:51] <@askalski> davidb, I have this program to loop tests
- # [16:51] <@surkov> hm, I even saw you
- # [16:51] <@askalski> davidb, if that would be any help
- # [16:51] <@surkov> but disconnected again
- # [16:51] <@davidb> askalski: it could
- # [16:53] <@davidb> notes: askalski is working on levenshtein, partially implemented
- # [16:54] <@davidb> this algorithm might not be well tested.
- # [16:56] <@askalski> can I have a link to that?
- # [16:56] <@askalski> that wikipage
- # [17:01] <@davidb> askalski: which one?
- # [17:02] <@davidb> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Meetings/2012-02-15
- # [17:03] <@askalski> the one that has been edited this week, and we should read it if that's what we want. some kind of update on webdev if I reckon correctly
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- # [17:15] <@davidb> hub, eeejay, tbsaunde is jitsi worth investigation?
- # [17:15] <@hub> I haven't checked yet
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- # [17:16] <@eeejay> davidb, for what purpose? conference calls?
- # [17:16] <@davidb> yeah
- # [17:17] <@tbsaunde> davidb: what is it?
- # [17:17] <@eeejay> davidb, sure. i would advocate for any open protocol
- # [17:17] <@davidb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jitsi
- # [17:17] <@eeejay> davidb, although xmpp does not have any mature multi-user voip solution
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- # [17:18] * @tbsaunde points that while it doesn't have voice / visuals irc is free from all of this crap
- # [17:18] <@davidb|mtg> tbsaunde true dat
- # [17:20] <@eeejay> i would love to see this come to maturity: http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Muji
- # [17:20] <@tbsaunde> davidb|mtg: maybe? I'm skeptical bu t that may because I'm a sinic on this subject at this point
- # [17:22] <@tbsaunde> I'd be happy to see any open solution that doesn't suck, but at this point I'd probably just go for irc meetings or non since I don't tend to find them terribly useful although we do sometimes need to talk about things
- # [17:27] <@tbsaunde> surkov: r=me on you patch but I don't have time to fiddle with bugzilla for a couple hours
- # [17:27] <@surkov> ok, I'm not hurry
- # [17:27] <@surkov> going to sleep actually
- # [17:28] <@tbsaunde> ksounds good
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- # [17:32] <@davidb> regarding communication tools - i just want something that works for us.
- # [17:33] <@davidb> and optimizes the propinquity effect.
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- # [18:13] <@MarcoZ> Gosh, please land this bug 714579 ASAP! Nightly is crashing left and right for me. :(
- # [18:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714579 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash nsINode::OwnerDoc
- # [18:14] <@hub> tbsaunde is supposed to review it. I can do it instead if we need.
- # [18:14] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde did give an r+ on IRC. ;)
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- # [18:15] <@hub> oh
- # [18:15] <@hub> I didn
- # [18:15] <@hub> I didn't see
- # [18:15] <@hub> and I believe alex is asleep now
- # [18:16] <@davidb> MarcoZ: you can land it
- # [18:16] <@davidb> or whoever
- # [18:16] <@davidb> MarcoZ: want to?
- # [18:17] <@hub> I can do it
- # [18:20] <@davidb> hub: ok great
- # [18:21] <@davidb> hub: you'll need to manually add the patch owner
- # [18:21] <@hub> davidb: I had to actually fix it
- # [18:21] <@hub> the patch owner
- # [18:21] <@davidb> yeah
- # [18:21] <@hub> and I'm editing the commit message
- # [18:23] <@hub> inbound
- # [18:23] * @davidb nods
- # [18:23] <@davidb> ah i see cool
- # [18:24] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Status on bug 726507 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
- # [18:24] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net set the Resolution field on bug 726507 to FIXED.
- # [18:24] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Target Milestone on bug 726507 from --- to mozilla13.
- # [18:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726507 nor, --, mozilla13, joey.blacksmith, RESO FIXED, HTML and XUL accessible classes shouldn't use nsAccessibilityService::GetAccessible
- # [18:24] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 714579 from --- to mozilla13.
- # [18:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714579 cri, --, mozilla13, nobody, NEW, crash nsINode::OwnerDoc
- # [18:24] <@hub> oh for a second I thought I had changed the wrong bug
- # [18:25] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 597397 on bug 714579.
- # [18:25] <@hub> so that the tree sheriff don't get worried :-)
- # [18:28] <@firebot> bolterbugz@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 714579 from mozilla13 to ---.
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- # [18:29] <@MarcoZ> hub: Thanks!
- # [18:29] <@hub> davidb: why change the milestone back?
- # [18:29] <@hub> oh I see
- # [18:29] <@MarcoZ> Let's hope there'll be another inbound to m-c merge before tomorrow's nightly build, or we'll have to wait a day longer even.
- # [18:31] * @MarcoZ is off for the evening. See you all tomorrow!
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- # [18:33] <@davidb> hub: that was accidental
- # [18:34] <@davidb> but yeah usually that gets set on merge to central
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- # [18:54] <@hub> davidb: I got hit by that bug too. this is what happens when you reload the page
- # [18:54] <@hub> and the form values have change
- # [18:54] * @davidb nods
- # [19:08] <@davidb> hub: I know you filed it :) (I filed the earlier dupe)
- # [19:08] <@davidb> but yeah we need to play this out for readers I guess.
- # [19:12] <@firebot> johan.charlez@gmail.com requested feedback from gavin.sharp@gmail .com for attachment 597454 on bug 713052.
- # [19:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=713052 nor, --, ---, johan.charlez, NEW, Add preference for disabling ALT-clicks to save links.
- # [19:23] <@firebot> johan.charlez@gmail.com requested feedback from gavin.sharp@gmail .com for attachment 597458 on bug 713052.
- # [19:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=713052 nor, --, ---, johan.charlez, NEW, Add preference for disabling ALT-clicks to save links.
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- # [19:30] <@hub> davidb: a good soup need to boil for a while a be stirred for a good while too. Like controversies ;-)
- # [19:31] <@davidb> :)
- # [19:38] <@davidb> hub: regarding the yammer debate about flash. you guys aren't really disagreeing you know :)
- # [19:38] <@davidb> here's an example of something happening all the time
- # [19:39] <@davidb> "Firefox sucks! Cityville keeps hanging! I'm switching to Safari"
- # [19:39] <@davidb> users don't care that it isn't our fault.
- # [19:39] <@davidb> so we need to own trying to fix the problem even indirectly.
- # [19:40] <@davidb> anyways, that's my perspective of course.
- # [19:42] <@hub> davidb: that's why I was asking him if the same problem was in the other browser. Yes if we crash and the other don't, it is our fault.
- # [19:44] <@tbsaunde> hub: not really if there doing something they should know they shouldn't be, but we still have to deal with the mess they make
- # [19:44] <@hub> tbsaunde: yeah I know
- # [19:44] <@tbsaunde> davidb: what effect is this re communication?
- # [19:44] <@davidb> tbsaunde: the non-silly parts of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propinquity
- # [19:46] <@tbsaunde> oic
- # [19:46] <@davidb> team unity blah blah
- # [19:47] <@tbsaunde> I don't think there was actually much hury to land that patch btw, I believe based on the normal schedule it would have even been made the next nightly build if Marco landed it on m-c first thing tomorrow
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- # [19:48] <@davidb> tbsaunde: fair enough
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- # [19:54] <@tbsaunde> on the other hand I wouldn't have considered it particularly unreasonable if Alex had just pushed that patch as r=me eithersince its his module and the patch is well within review nit size
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- # [20:21] <@davidb> ok errand time.
- # [20:21] <@davidb> back in a few
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- # [20:32] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 597397 on bug 714579.
- # [20:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714579 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash nsINode::OwnerDoc
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- # [23:07] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: so, what is the story on that github link from during the meeting?
- # [23:07] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, it is my android work-in-progress
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- # [23:09] <jamesn> Is there is any way to resize text areas from the keyboard?
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- # [23:15] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: oic
- # [23:16] <@davidb> jamesn: dunno
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- # [23:23] <@hub> cloned
- # [23:23] <@hub> :-)
- # [23:23] <@hub> actually just added a remote
- # [23:25] <@hub> not much to pull after that
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- # [23:27] <@eeejay> hub, my repo?
- # [23:27] * @eeejay is flattered
- # [23:27] <@hub> eeejay: yep
- # [23:27] <@hub> but I don't have an android SDK setup
- # [23:27] <@hub> I should I think
- # [23:27] <@eeejay> hub, i'll be rebasing a lot, so you will have to pull -f
- # [23:27] <@hub> yeah
- # [23:28] <@hub> I thought so
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- # [23:46] <@tbsaunde> hub: your funeral :/
- # [23:46] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: where you planning to start getting that stuff reviewed soon? I can start looking if you like
- # [23:47] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, not quite.
- # [23:49] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: ok
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- # [23:57] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com cancelled review?(surkov.alexander@gm ail.com) for attachment 597274 on bug 726097.
- # [23:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726097 blo, --, ---, hub, NEW, Hit testing broken
- # [23:59] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 597569 on bug 726097.
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