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  1. # Session Start: Mon Feb 20 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:22] <@firebot> sgautherie.bz@free.fr requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 598719 on bug 718237.
  4. # [00:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718237 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [SeaMonkey] "accessible/events/test_focus_autocomplete.xul | Test timed out." (which also causes lot
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  11. # [04:01] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 598719 on bug 718237.
  12. # [04:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718237 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [SeaMonkey] "accessible/events/test_focus_autocomplete.xul | Test timed out." (which also causes lot
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  16. # [05:39] <@firebot> sgautherie.bz@free.fr requested approval-mozilla-beta from the wind for attachment 598719 on bug 718237.
  17. # [05:39] <@firebot> sgautherie.bz@free.fr requested approval-mozilla-aurora from the wind for attachment 598719 on bug 718237.
  18. # [05:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718237 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [SeaMonkey] "accessible/events/test_focus_autocomplete.xul | Test timed out." (which also causes lot
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  32. # [09:28] <@firebot> jigneshhk1992@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 598267 on bug 726283.
  33. # [09:28] <@firebot> jigneshhk1992@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 598787 on bug 726283.
  34. # [09:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726283 nor, --, ---, jigneshhk1992, ASSI, consider using NS_GetContentList() directly in nsHTMLRadioButtonAccessible::GetPositionAndSizeIntern
  35. # [09:29] <@surkov> jhk: it's preferable if you ask trevor for review since he started it
  36. # [09:31] <@firebot> jigneshhk1992@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 598787 on bug 726283.
  37. # [09:32] <jhk> surkov: done... thanks for feedback:)
  38. # [09:32] <@surkov> yw!
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  41. # [09:39] <Mark_Capella> Hello :surkov
  42. # [09:40] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: hello
  43. # [09:40] <Mark_Capella> I'm stuck on Bug 672202 - Don't completely hide aria-valuenow exposure with aria-valuetext exposure. ... can you point me in the right direction?
  44. # [09:40] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672202 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Don't completely hide aria-valuenow exposure with aria-valuetext exposure.
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  47. # [09:52] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: the problem here is the approach is going to affect on our interfaces so I can't say you do this or that prior I check that with community or ARIA spec (if it address this at all). I'll try to figure it out today.
  48. # [09:53] <Mark_Capella> k - ill sit tight - watch bugzilla, and thanks
  49. # [09:53] <@surkov> yw, sorry for inconvenience
  50. # [09:54] <Mark_Capella> Oh?? "Good first bug" + "Mentor" threw me : -)
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  52. # [09:55] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: I bet it's really good first bug, I think all you need to fix is to start to expose valuetext object attribute. That's unique way I see how this bug can be fixed. But I'm not mentor of this bug so I don't know all background
  53. # [09:56] <@tbsaunde> surkov: in the case I don't really care, feel free to do that review I'm pretty busy till wensday
  54. # [09:56] <@surkov> tbsaunde: ok, I'll pick it up
  55. # [09:56] <@tbsaunde> thx!
  56. # [09:56] <@surkov> and save your time for my patches :)
  57. # [09:56] <@tbsaunde> heh
  58. # [09:59] <@askalski> morning everyone!
  59. # [10:03] <@surkov> hi, askalski
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  63. # [10:12] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 598242 on bug 727940.
  64. # [10:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727940 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Windows app can't read Firefox setting for hardware acceleration (D2D)
  65. # [10:13] <@tbsaunde> hi askalski
  66. # [10:13] <@askalski> tbsaunde, hi!
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  76. # [11:13] <@askalski> surkov, hi. David told me you have some experience with SSD drives. I am just choosing between a small SSD and a standard capacity standard drive
  77. # [11:13] <@askalski> surkov, can you share your experience? I was told once that SSD dies for keeping swap on them. is that true?
  78. # [11:14] <@surkov> askalski: I don't have any experience I just have SSD drive :) and it was part of my mac
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  80. # [11:15] <@surkov> I should say things are much faster but not fast as I would like to have :)
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  82. # [11:15] <@surkov> askalski: how small is it?
  83. # [11:15] <@askalski> surkov, is there a significant difference between SSD and standard drive in for example compile time?
  84. # [11:15] <@askalski> surkov, 160 gb. And I store a lot of virtual drives
  85. # [11:16] <@surkov> askalski: I changed laptop, but the most significant change there I think is SSD, my difference is few times faster
  86. # [11:16] <@surkov> but of course that's not SSD only
  87. # [11:16] <@askalski> surkov, how do you think, how much slower the same laptop with standard drive would be?
  88. # [11:17] <@surkov> I don't really know that
  89. # [11:18] <@surkov> but you should reduce built time
  90. # [11:18] <@surkov> I can see a difference with applications
  91. # [11:19] <@surkov> I have two vm machines on my computer, my sad is 240, I have 60 free
  92. # [11:19] <@surkov> sad -> ssd
  93. # [11:19] <@askalski> yeah. so 180 in use
  94. # [11:19] <@surkov> yep
  95. # [11:19] <@surkov> and I need to make sure I don't keep old builds too much :)
  96. # [11:20] <@surkov> usually I have few version of debug Firefoxes on my machine
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  125. # [14:11] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested approval-mozilla-aurora from the wind for attachment 598222 on bug 677154.
  126. # [14:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=677154 maj, P1, mozilla13, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, Detached document accessibility tree
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  129. # [14:15] <@askalski> surkov, hi
  130. # [14:15] <@askalski> surkov, I have a licensing question
  131. # [14:15] <@surkov> hi, askalski
  132. # [14:15] <@surkov> sure
  133. # [14:16] <@askalski> surkov, I wrote this algorithm for Levenshtein distance
  134. # [14:16] <@surkov> hehe :)
  135. # [14:16] <@askalski> surkov, it's now O(ND) N - shorter string, D - distance
  136. # [14:16] <@askalski> it works this way in DIFF to my reckon
  137. # [14:16] <@askalski> then
  138. # [14:16] <@askalski> it's possible to make it even faster
  139. # [14:16] <@askalski> to O(N + D^D)
  140. # [14:17] <@askalski> D <= N
  141. # [14:17] <@askalski> no, not necessairly
  142. # [14:17] <@surkov> is there copyright on that?
  143. # [14:17] <@askalski> no no
  144. # [14:17] <@askalski> it's just
  145. # [14:17] <@askalski> I need to write Ukkonen's algorithm
  146. # [14:17] <@askalski> and I am dying trying for several hours
  147. # [14:17] <@askalski> but there are implementations
  148. # [14:17] <@askalski> GPLed
  149. # [14:17] <@askalski> of Ukkonen
  150. # [14:17] <@askalski> I could use
  151. # [14:17] <@askalski> (or at least I think)
  152. # [14:18] <@askalski> can I add GPL code to Moz, or not?
  153. # [14:18] <@surkov> I think it's better to ask licensing@mozilla.org
  154. # [14:19] <@askalski> ok, anyway, I'll make another approach before doing that
  155. # [14:19] <@askalski> if I succeed, you will have the best implementation on the planed
  156. # [14:20] <@askalski> *planet
  157. # [14:20] <@askalski> but I'm not sure if that's the best usage of time :/, I should probably picked some easier one
  158. # [14:20] <@surkov> that's amazing
  159. # [14:20] <@askalski> that's creazy
  160. # [14:21] <@askalski> the proof-of-concept is easy embeddable to code already
  161. # [14:21] <@askalski> as I think of it right now
  162. # [14:21] <@surkov> you get quite good experience that can be quite helpful
  163. # [14:22] <@askalski> I hope. you know, my previous experience was in business, and my ex-boss would already kill me for not getting thing done previous week :D
  164. # [14:22] <@askalski> so it's ok to spend like 30-40 hours on single bug?
  165. # [14:22] <@askalski> I am 24 in already
  166. # [14:23] <@surkov> well, you can do long-term and short-term things, Mozilla allows to do investments into future while it's reasonable
  167. # [14:23] <@surkov> that depends on bug, some bugs require more time
  168. # [14:24] <@surkov> this bug is specific, but I think it's ok if you spend that time for it
  169. # [14:24] <@askalski> ok. I wanted to ask that to David today, but he's on holiday and he told me to ask you
  170. # [14:25] <@surkov> ok
  171. # [14:25] <@askalski> so I'll continue today
  172. # [14:25] <@askalski> unless someone interrupts me
  173. # [14:25] <@surkov> ok :)
  174. # [14:25] <@askalski> thanks
  175. # [14:27] <@tbsaunde> askalski: I'm pretty sure you can't use straigth gpl'd code :/
  176. # [14:28] <@tbsaunde> askalski: I assume there isn't a bsd impl out there?
  177. # [14:28] <@askalski> tbsaunde, wish me luck, and the MPL will be there in 2 days :D
  178. # [14:29] <@askalski> tbsaunde, I found some academic
  179. # [14:29] <@askalski> tbsaunde, and generally, both linux and bsd userland uses lesser algorithms. this alg is from 95
  180. # [14:29] <@askalski> tbsaunde, they haven't noticed it. there's a single paper on it, and it's the source one
  181. # [14:30] <@tbsaunde> askalski: oic
  182. # [14:30] <@askalski> tbsaunde, even on my faculty, where we have great text algorithms section, they just linked me to it, saying that there's nothing better to start with
  183. # [14:30] <@tbsaunde> askalski: I wouldn't be suprised if a normal user land didn't have any need for it
  184. # [14:30] <@tbsaunde> heh
  185. # [14:30] <@askalski> fortunately there are some implementations in python to cross-test against
  186. # [14:31] <@tbsaunde> askalski: fwiw by bsd I ;meant bsd license or alpha variants there of
  187. # [14:32] <@askalski> tbsaunde, yeah I know. I found some private implementations, but now I think I'll just run with my own
  188. # [14:32] <@askalski> just try at least
  189. # [14:32] <@tbsaunde> ok
  190. # [14:32] <@askalski> anyway, I haven't had this intensive alg classes since highschool, really
  191. # [14:33] <@tbsaunde> ok, /me -> class and writing ml
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  201. # [15:17] <@davidb> hey guys just popping in real quick
  202. # [15:17] <@davidb> hi Mark_Capella
  203. # [15:17] <@davidb> sorry I missed your bug activity!
  204. # [15:18] <Mark_Capella> Hey David! yeah... I lost the train of thought and was asking for help
  205. # [15:19] <@davidb> yeah that's totally understandable
  206. # [15:19] <@davidb> especially on this bug
  207. # [15:19] * @davidb thinks
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  210. # [15:20] <@davidb> Mark_Capella, surkov looking deeper I suspect this bug might be invalid.
  211. # [15:20] <@davidb> We expose the numerical value via IAccessible2 IAccessibleValue::currentValue
  212. # [15:21] <@davidb> and we give precedence to value text if it exists to MSAA getValue
  213. # [15:21] <@davidb> (to use windows as an example)
  214. # [15:21] <@davidb> Mark_Capella, can you work on a different bug while I sort this out at the spec level?
  215. # [15:22] <@davidb> again, really sorry about this.
  216. # [15:22] <Mark_Capella> oh yah ... got a few in the air anyhow .... not a prob
  217. # [15:23] <@davidb> thanks for understanding
  218. # [15:24] <Mark_Capella> thansk for the reply! ... I did an earlier A11y and thought to expand understanding .... I'll stay on the Bugzilla CC
  219. # [15:25] <Mark_Capella> (two A11Y bugzs actually :-) )
  220. # [15:25] <@davidb> Mark_Capella: we have lots of interesting a11y bugs :)
  221. # [15:25] <@davidb> surkov: ^
  222. # [15:25] <@surkov> I see
  223. # [15:25] <Mark_Capella> (little ones)
  224. # [15:26] <@davidb> hehe
  225. # [15:27] <@davidb> ok sorry - gotta run. family day.
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  228. # [15:34] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 672202 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  229. # [15:34] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 672202 to INVALID.
  230. # [15:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672202 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, Don't completely hide aria-valuenow exposure with aria-valuetext exposure.
  231. # [15:38] <Mark_Capella> . o O ( Squished a bug )
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  233. # [16:40] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 598871 on bug 421242.
  234. # [16:40] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=421242 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, allow relations in anonymous content for binding parent
  235. # [16:42] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 671201 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  236. # [16:42] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 671201 to DUPLICATE of bug 661293.
  237. # [16:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671201 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, alert dialogs aren't read by JAWS
  238. # [16:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=661293 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, the tabmodalprompt dialog's prompt label doesn't get the text properly associated for accessibility
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  245. # [17:08] <mib_f6jwwe> for visually challenged users: 1) can an enlarged text be used for display in composition window, and a standard size text be applied to the sent mail? 2) is there a variable in the editor that could change just the thunderbird app size -including the text labels
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  248. # [17:30] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 598887 on bug 727940.
  249. # [17:30] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727940 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Windows app can't read Firefox setting for hardware acceleration (D2D)
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  251. # [17:59] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 598787 on bug 726283.
  252. # [17:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726283 nor, --, ---, jigneshhk1992, ASSI, consider using NS_GetContentList() directly in nsHTMLRadioButtonAccessible::GetPositionAndSizeIntern
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  259. # [18:18] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 728904 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  260. # [18:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=728904 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, prefix telementry constants starting by A11Y
  261. # [18:22] <@tbsaunde|afk> surkov: sorry about not having time to get to that before you
  262. # [18:22] <@surkov> tbsaunde|afk: never mind
  263. # [18:22] <@surkov> I needed to free my head from garbage todo
  264. # [18:23] <@tbsaunde|afk> heh
  265. # [18:23] <@surkov> tbsaunde|afk: would you mind if I set you as mentor for one telemetry bug (add new consumer)?
  266. # [18:29] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 728905 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  267. # [18:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=728905 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, telemetry ZoomText
  268. # [18:33] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 728907 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  269. # [18:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=728907 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, don't use GetComputedStyle for text attributes
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  271. # [18:49] <@MarcoZ> Off.
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  274. # [19:33] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 727163 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  275. # [19:33] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 727163 to FIXED.
  276. # [19:33] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 727163 from --- to mozilla13.
  277. # [19:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727163 nor, --, mozilla13, nfroyd, RESO FIXED, fix compiler warnings in accessible/
  278. # [19:33] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 727735 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  279. # [19:33] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 727735 to FIXED.
  280. # [19:33] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 727735 from --- to mozilla13.
  281. # [19:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727735 nor, --, mozilla13, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, don't use computed style for width detection in IsProbablyForLayout
  282. # [19:40] <@tbsaunde|afk> surkov: sure, that's fine
  283. # [19:40] <@surkov> ok
  284. # [19:40] <@surkov> thanks
  285. # [19:40] <@tbsaunde|afk> yw!
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  287. # [19:44] <@tbsaunde|afk> surkov: you should make that bug platform:windows btw
  288. # [19:44] <@surkov> right
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  290. # [20:01] <@tbsaunde|afk> surkov: don't we usually make regression bugs block the bug that caused the regression not the other way around?
  291. # [20:01] <@tbsaunde|afk> you seem to have done the opposit in 650241
  292. # [20:02] <@surkov> right, it seems I'm sleeping
  293. # [20:02] <@tbsaunde|afk> hehe
  294. # [20:03] <@surkov> we need to have better test coverage, I'm frustrated I still fix Firefox 4 bugs
  295. # [20:03] <@surkov> regressions
  296. # [20:04] <@tbsaunde|afk> yeah :(
  297. # [20:04] <@tbsaunde|afk> I'm also really sad we don't have useful perf tests
  298. # [20:04] <@surkov> bug 659863 makes me unhappy
  299. # [20:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=659863 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [meta] Remaining work to ensure the latest Firefox is improved over Firefox 3.6 for NVDA users
  300. # [20:05] <@tbsaunde|afk> yeah, that too
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  304. # [20:36] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com cancelled review?(surkov.alexander@gm ail.com) for attachment 597920 on bug 726097.
  305. # [20:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726097 blo, --, ---, hub, NEW, Hit testing broken
  306. # [20:36] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 598929 on bug 726097.
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