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  1. # Session Start: Wed Mar 07 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  5. # [00:08] <@hub> but I have to admit, I played a bit more with VoiceOver in the return flight on the iPad, and I found out that Google's own apps on iOS are not really accessible.
  6. # [00:08] <@hub> not that Apple's are perfect, but largely they are
  7. # [00:08] <@hub> including iBooks (vs Google Books)
  8. # [00:09] <@firebot> smichaud@pobox.com granted review for attachment 601536 on bug 728103.
  9. # [00:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=728103 nor, --, ---, masayuki, NEW, Shouldn't we change modifier for HTML accesskey from Control to Control + Option?
  10. # [00:19] <@hub> davidb: do you know that guy http://blog.fawny.org/2012/02/12/police-fire-deaf/
  11. # [00:20] <@davidb> sort of
  12. # [00:20] <@davidb> Joe Clark you mean>?
  13. # [00:20] <@hub> yeah
  14. # [00:20] <@hub> but there are many "Joe Clark"
  15. # [00:21] <@davidb> Yeah I think I know this one
  16. # [00:21] <@davidb> but not well
  17. # [00:21] <@hub> just wondering
  18. # [00:21] <@hub> since he talks about Toronto
  19. # [00:21] <@davidb> yeah
  20. # [00:22] <@davidb> for whatever reason, people don't seem to listen to him
  21. # [00:22] <@davidb> i think he might have given people a bad impression years ago
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  25. # [00:30] <@hub> davidb: there are people like that
  26. # [00:30] <@hub> (me included)
  27. # [00:30] <@davidb> heh
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  31. # [01:44] <@eeejay> Rguy84, welcome
  32. # [01:44] <Rguy84> thanks eeejay
  33. # [01:45] <Rguy84> eeejay you're actually here
  34. # [01:45] <@eeejay> Rguy84, wasn't lying!
  35. # [01:46] <Rguy84> eeejay and have perms too! is hub here?
  36. # [01:46] <@eeejay> i bet he is
  37. # [01:47] <Rguy84> he is doing the twitter
  38. # [01:49] <@hub> Rguy84: I'm here
  39. # [01:49] <Rguy84> eeejay - my computer didn't like being off for a week
  40. # [01:50] <@hub> sorry I was checking out Chromium on the other machine
  41. # [01:50] <@eeejay> hub, is it awesome?
  42. # [01:50] <@hub> eeejay: sort of painful actually
  43. # [01:50] <@hub> they like custom tools
  44. # [01:51] <@hub> anyway
  45. # [01:51] <Rguy84> hub, please tell me you aren't shocked by that
  46. # [01:51] <@eeejay> hub, this is chromevox?
  47. # [01:52] <@hub> Rguy84: nope.
  48. # [01:52] <@hub> eeejay: no. talking about the devtools. to wrap a mix of svn and git
  49. # [01:52] <@hub> etc.
  50. # [01:52] <@eeejay> hm
  51. # [01:52] <@hub> I want to see wtf is going on for accessibility that I can't get working in Firefox
  52. # [01:53] <@hub> in the chrome
  53. # [01:53] <@hub> (ie I don't have access to that for Safari)
  54. # [01:55] <@tbsaunde> hub: really? the webkit source tree I have lying around has a bunch of mac a11y stuff in it
  55. # [01:55] <@hub> tbsaunde: but this is not the chrome. and they use the same code anyway
  56. # [01:56] <@hub> for webkit
  57. # [01:56] <@hub> by the same code, I mean the same tree, but different revisions
  58. # [02:01] <@hub> but what I'm looking for is outside that
  59. # [02:04] <@tbsaunde> hub: by outside that you mean code not there?
  60. # [02:11] <@hub> code outside of webkit
  61. # [02:11] <@hub> the chrome
  62. # [02:11] <@hub> Safari's is not available
  63. # [02:11] <@hub> Chromium's is
  64. # [02:12] <@hub> (Chromium is the open source version of Chrome)
  65. # [02:14] <Rguy84> Thought Chromium was the OS that is based off Chrome?
  66. # [02:16] <@hub> no. That's ChromeOS
  67. # [02:17] <Rguy84> Now I am confused.
  68. # [02:17] <@tbsaunde> hub: you think safari uses something other than what is in webkit? tht seems odd
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  70. # [02:19] <@hub> tbsaunde: WebKit is just the web rendering. It does not include the actual UI
  71. # [02:19] <@hub> Rguy84: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_%28web_browser%29
  72. # [02:19] <@hub> tbsaunde: like the URL bar, the tabs, etc.
  73. # [02:22] <@tbsaunde> hub: and they don't implement the ui on top of it ok, interesting
  74. # [02:23] <@hub> that have never
  75. # [02:23] <Rguy84> hub, thanks, I was thinking of the right thing, but was putting the wrong thing first
  76. # [02:24] <@hub> Chromium do *some* of the UI inside WebKit, like some dialogs to configure stuff
  77. # [02:24] <@hub> but not the actual browser window and its elements
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  91. # [05:58] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested feedback from surkov.alexander@ gmail.com for attachment 602550 on bug 696975.
  92. # [05:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=696975 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, extend the list of legitimate data table structures for layout-guess object attribute
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  98. # [07:17] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from hub@mozilla.com for attachment 602550 on bug 696975.
  99. # [07:17] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=696975 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, extend the list of legitimate data table structures for layout-guess object attribute
  100. # [07:17] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled review?(hub@mozilla.com) for attachment 602017 on bug 696975.
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  103. # [09:08] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 602550 on bug 696975.
  104. # [09:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=696975 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, extend the list of legitimate data table structures for layout-guess object attribute
  105. # [09:14] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled review?(dbolter@mozilla.com ) for attachment 603268 on bug 733382.
  106. # [09:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733382 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, editable state bit shouldn't present on disabled inputs
  107. # [09:31] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com denied feedback for attachment 602550 on bug 696975.
  108. # [09:31] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=696975 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, extend the list of legitimate data table structures for layout-guess object attribute
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  110. # [10:38] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested feedback from marco.zehe@google mail.com for attachment 603639 on bug 407401.
  111. # [10:38] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Status on bug 407401 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  112. # [10:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407401 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, Remove namespaced ARIA support in feed parser
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  115. # [11:20] <@surkov> tbsaunde: hi
  116. # [11:20] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yo
  117. # [11:27] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Status on bug 732908 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  118. # [11:27] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net set the Resolution field on bug 732908 to FIXED.
  119. # [11:27] <@tbsaunde> surkov: what's up? or just saying hi?
  120. # [11:27] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Target Milestone on bug 732908 from --- to mozilla13.
  121. # [11:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=732908 nor, --, mozilla13, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, Expose 'Firefox' and 'Thunderbird' as the accessible app names -- even for pre-release versions
  122. # [11:27] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I'm sort of interested in reviews :)
  123. # [11:29] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I'd love to work on them, but don't have much free time till tomorrow evening
  124. # [11:29] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Status on bug 726287 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  125. # [11:29] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net set the Resolution field on bug 726287 to FIXED.
  126. # [11:30] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Target Milestone on bug 726287 from --- to mozilla13.
  127. # [11:30] <@surkov> that sounds good
  128. # [11:30] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726287 nor, --, mozilla13, trev.saunders, RESO FIXED, misc decomtamination in nsHypertextAccessible
  129. # [11:30] <@tbsaunde> its just before mid semestre so I have a paper to write then a examm to study for
  130. # [11:30] <@surkov> ah, I see
  131. # [11:30] <@surkov> sure take your time
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  133. # [12:28] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 733712 filed by chrisccoulson@ubuntu.com.
  134. # [12:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733712 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Stack exhaustion crash in getNameCB with atk 2.3.91
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  138. # [13:24] <@firebot> sgautherie.bz@free.fr set status-firefox11 to verified on bug 718237.
  139. # [13:24] <@firebot> sgautherie.bz@free.fr set status-firefox12 to verified on bug 718237.
  140. # [13:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718237 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [SeaMonkey] "accessible/events/test_focus_autocomplete.xul | Test timed out." (which also causes lot
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  147. # [15:15] <@davidb> darn subway
  148. # [15:15] <@davidb> hi all!
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  152. # [15:22] <@MarcoZ> Hi all!
  153. # [15:23] * @davidb hunts coffee
  154. # [15:23] <@davidb> hey hey
  155. # [15:26] <@firebot> dao@mozilla.com changed the Component on bug 687958 from Keyboard Navigation to General.
  156. # [15:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=687958 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, I'm unable to keyboard to "continue anyway" from the untrusted site page.
  157. # [15:40] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I think it makes sense for me to stay away from the meeting today. While the call is in progress, I have no access to any of the controls, and I still have a naughty cough.
  158. # [15:40] <@MarcoZ> So I cannot mute.
  159. # [15:40] <@davidb> darn
  160. # [15:41] <@davidb> ok
  161. # [15:41] <@davidb> BTW I hope we can teleconference you in next week.
  162. # [15:55] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 733755 filed by marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
  163. # [15:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733755 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, In the temperatures canvas example, the Thursday and Friday fields don't update, do update visually
  164. # [15:56] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I was planning on being available for that next week!
  165. # [15:56] <@davidb> groovy
  166. # [15:56] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 603701 on bug 733382.
  167. # [15:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733382 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, editable state bit shouldn't present on disabled inputs
  168. # [15:58] <@davidb> holy bugmail
  169. # [15:59] <@davidb> surkov: bug 614571 might be a "good second bug" ?
  170. # [15:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=614571 nor, --, ---, dbolter, NEW, Use IA2 state pinned
  171. # [16:05] <@surkov> davidb: dunno, somebody needs to look how to fix it, that's toolkit or browser modules area
  172. # [16:05] <@davidb> yeah
  173. # [16:05] <@davidb> i had a patch at one point
  174. # [16:05] <@davidb> very simple
  175. # [16:06] <@surkov> davidb: ok, maybe you could take mentorship then?
  176. # [16:06] <@davidb> sure
  177. # [16:06] <@surkov> davidb: probably we need to update ia2 idl prior this bug
  178. # [16:06] <@davidb> or dao
  179. # [16:06] <@davidb> oh right
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  182. # [16:16] <@tbsaunde> surkov: what about the other part of my comment?
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  185. # [16:21] <@surkov> tbsaunde: which one?
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  187. # [16:26] <@tbsaunde> surkov: the atk name stuffs
  188. # [16:28] <@surkov> tbsaunde: a link please? it seems I don't follow you sorry
  189. # [16:29] <@tbsaunde> np
  190. # [16:30] <@tbsaunde> oic, arg races :(
  191. # [16:34] <@tbsaunde> surkov: you should have comment mail from me now :)
  192. # [16:34] * @tbsaunde -> meeting
  193. # [16:36] * @davidb in vidyo
  194. # [16:37] <@eeejay> be there is a sec
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  196. # [16:39] <@eeejay> bah vidyo update
  197. # [16:40] <@davidb> perfect
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  200. # [16:41] <@hub> surkov: meeting?
  201. # [16:41] <@surkov> ok
  202. # [16:47] <@davidb> we need to get eeejay a headset
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  204. # [17:00] <@davidb> surkov: probably good to write up your thoughts. especially in prep for next week :)
  205. # [17:02] <@surkov> yeah :)
  206. # [17:03] <@eeejay> bbiab
  207. # [17:03] <@davidb> eeejay mentioned a discussion later today - that is mainly between him and Josh Carpenter the b2g Ux dude… but we'll catch everyone up next week
  208. # [17:03] <@davidb> and of course everyone will be involved
  209. # [17:03] <@davidb> s/next week/this week or next
  210. # [17:14] <@hub> FYI, Air Canada could be on strike next week http://ottawa.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120307/air-canada-strike-notice-machinists-union-120307/20120307/?hub=OttawaHome
  211. # [17:14] <@davidb> yikes
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  213. # [17:19] <@hub> and this week-end we move to daylight saving
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  217. # [17:30] <@davidb> surkov: why is GetEditor in nsHyperTextAccessible?
  218. # [17:30] <@surkov> davidb: other options?
  219. # [17:30] <@surkov> I'd say something that can be editable should have this method
  220. # [17:30] <@davidb> agreed
  221. # [17:31] <@surkov> nsHyperTextAccessible is base class used for editable container
  222. # [17:31] <@davidb> what about nsAccessible?
  223. # [17:31] <@surkov> I mean other editable contains are inherited from it
  224. # [17:31] <@davidb> ok if that's the case - then i'm fine
  225. # [17:31] <@surkov> nsAccessible is sort of generic class, it cannot be editable until it's nsHyperTextAccessible of course
  226. # [17:31] <@davidb> i guess that's true
  227. # [17:32] <@surkov> guess I am right :)
  228. # [17:33] <@davidb> right
  229. # [17:34] * @davidb notices nsGenericHTMLElement::GetEditor
  230. # [17:39] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 603210 on bug 733335.
  231. # [17:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733335 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, dexpcom nsIEditableTextAccessible::GetAssociatedEditor
  232. # [17:39] <@surkov> davidb: yeah, this code should be reconsidered
  233. # [17:39] <@surkov> at least it allows to remove one query interface I think
  234. # [17:39] <@surkov> not big deal but cleaning up
  235. # [17:40] <@davidb> improvements are good :)
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  244. # [20:04] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 733848 filed by mihai.sucan@gmail.com.
  245. # [20:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733848 is not accessible
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  247. # [20:21] <@davidb> eeejay: just a note - I don't plan to drive the meeting this aft.
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  255. # [21:06] <@eeejay> davidb, roger
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