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  24. # [02:15] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 733967 filed by aaronlev@gmail.com.
  25. # [02:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733967 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Text attribute documentation
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  55. # [09:20] <@firebot> smontagu@smontagu.org requested review from masayuki@d-toybox.c om for attachment 603986 on bug 452393.
  56. # [09:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=452393 nor, --, ---, smontagu, ASSI, Accelerators should not be affected by keyboard layout Part Deux.
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  60. # [09:54] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 603989 on bug 696975.
  61. # [09:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=696975 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, extend the list of legitimate data table structures for layout-guess object attribute
  62. # [10:10] <@firebot> masayuki@d-toybox.com requested review from karlt@mozbugz.karlt.net for attachment 603986 on bug 452393.
  63. # [10:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=452393 nor, --, ---, smontagu, ASSI, Accelerators should not be affected by keyboard layout Part Deux.
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  68. # [12:11] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted feedback for attachment 603639 on bug 407401.
  69. # [12:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407401 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, Remove namespaced ARIA support in feed parser
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  71. # [14:03] <Mark_Capella> marcoz: Thanks for the feedback+ on Bug 407401 - Remove namespaced ARIA support in feed parser ... I don't have L1 access yet, so I can't push it to TRY or such ... will you be moving the patch forward? Or do i need to do something further for you?
  72. # [14:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407401 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, Remove namespaced ARIA support in feed parser
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  82. # [15:17] <@MarcoZ> Mark_Capella: Getting feedback isn't enough, you need proper review from a Tolit module per before moving it anywhere.
  83. # [15:18] <@MarcoZ> s/toolit/toolkit/
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  85. # [15:32] <@MarcoZ> Hi davidb!
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  87. # [15:49] <davidb> hi! I'm on mobile ATM.
  88. # [15:52] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Ah OK!
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  94. # [16:51] <@MarcoZ> Good morning hub!
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  96. # [17:09] <@hub> hey
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  100. # [17:18] <@MarcoZ> Hub: Were you able to reproduce the problem that VoiceOver is still not able to interact with the text in the try-server build you sent me?
  101. # [17:18] <@hub> MarcoZ: their is some stuff that is weird. I think that the reason it works for is that I short cut with the mouse. doh !
  102. # [17:19] <@hub> *headdesk*
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  109. # [18:09] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from robert.bugzilla@gma il.com for attachment 603639 on bug 407401.
  110. # [18:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407401 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, Remove namespaced ARIA support in feed parser
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  120. # [19:47] <@hub> Lockout notice for Air Canada about to be served. Takes effect Monday 12:01AM.
  121. # [19:47] <@hub> no sure how this will impact us, but tbsaunde might be
  122. # [19:47] <@hub> (I land at 12:50AM Monday)
  123. # [19:52] <davidb_> tbsaunde is likely affected - if the lockout happens
  124. # [19:53] <davidb_> tbsaunde: you'll want to check air canada's website Monday morning.
  125. # [19:54] <@hub> note that "Lock out" = Air Canada management saying f-u to customers and workers
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  127. # [19:54] <davidb> right
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  131. # [20:41] <@tbsaunde> davidb: hub exciting
  132. # [20:42] <@davidb> heh
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  135. # [20:45] <@askalski> hi everyone
  136. # [20:47] <@davidb> heyo
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  140. # [21:03] <@davidb> tbsaunde: what time is your departure on Monday?
  141. # [22:31] <@askalski> hi, I understand there is some wide cooperation with guys from gnome, right?
  142. # [22:31] <@askalski> is anyone working with XFCE as well?
  143. # [22:31] <@askalski> or we consider XFCE A11y such a niche, that we don't have resources to care about it
  144. # [22:35] <@hub> askalski: do they even have infrastructure beyond Gtk?
  145. # [22:35] <@hub> I know that for example KDE doesn't
  146. # [22:36] <@askalski> hub, em, no. they have an Accessibility icon in settings, that points to mouse and keyboard settings, so I guess no :D
  147. # [22:36] <@askalski> Hub, but the icon was promising!
  148. # [22:36] <@hub> my *personal take* is why bother
  149. # [22:38] <@askalski> hub, you're probably right
  150. # [22:39] <@askalski> it's just Gnome 3 was a bad news to me. I can either work in fallback mode, or stick to outdated version...
  151. # [22:40] <@askalski> some people really looked at xfce to take over
  152. # [22:44] <@hub> in 2008 / 2009 I told them it was a bad idea
  153. # [22:44] <@hub> fallback mode isn't that bad
  154. # [22:44] <@hub> but it is very unpolished
  155. # [22:44] <@hub> we should get you a nice Thinkpad :-)
  156. # [22:49] <@hub> note that Gnome3 has some serious accessibility issues, still
  157. # [22:50] <@hub> looks like fixing a11y in Mac involve removing even more code
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  159. # [22:58] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 733335 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  160. # [22:58] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 733335 to FIXED.
  161. # [22:58] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 733335 from --- to mozilla13.
  162. # [22:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733335 nor, --, mozilla13, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, dexpcom nsIEditableTextAccessible::GetAssociatedEditor
  163. # [23:02] * @hub wonder if he should bring the macbook to the work week
  164. # [23:06] <@askalski> hub, I can work with gnome related bugs, but I think I told you that
  165. # [23:06] <@askalski> anyway getting familiar with it would be nice
  166. # [23:09] <@askalski> hub, is gnome 2 yet alive, or the mate project didn't get enough attention?
  167. # [23:09] <@hub> the development happen in Gnome3
  168. # [23:09] <@hub> but Firefox still Gtk2
  169. # [23:09] <@hub> so....
  170. # [23:11] <@hub> I think I'll just bring the Thinkpad
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  172. # [23:14] <@askalski> hub, I am receiving thinkpad first thing in a work week
  173. # [23:14] <@askalski> so there will be at least one ubuntu
  174. # [23:16] <@hub> bring your USB key to install it
  175. # [23:18] <@hub> what model are you getting?
  176. # [23:20] <@askalski> hub, w520. I will take entire usb harddrive to just copy some of my settings to get started really fast
  177. # [23:21] <@hub> that's not a laptop
  178. # [23:21] <@hub> that's a lugageable
  179. # [23:22] <@hub> and with the nvidia GPU it is gonna be full of pain
  180. # [23:23] <@askalski> hub, lugegeable?
  181. # [23:23] <@askalski> hub, and what is the pain with nvidia?
  182. # [23:23] <@hub> luggageable, ie that you have to lug around. BIG BIG
  183. # [23:24] <@hub> nvidia is pain because they don't really support linux and their drivers that are unfixable still fail to support basic X stuff
  184. # [23:24] <@hub> I have a full Intel laptop
  185. # [23:24] <@askalski> hub, I can disable nvidia in bios, it has intel as well
  186. # [23:24] <@askalski> hub, but is it really worse than fglrx?
  187. # [23:25] <@askalski> (the ATI linux driver)
  188. # [23:25] <@hub> ATI/AMD as real opensource support now
  189. # [23:25] <@hub> and to be honest, I just avoided as well.
  190. # [23:25] <@hub> I have been a long time Intel GPU supporter
  191. # [23:26] <@hub> they support Linux properly, the get my money
  192. # [23:26] <@tbsaunde> hub: I'e had reasonable luck with neuvo fwiw
  193. # [23:26] <@askalski> hub, darn. I really should have picked that dell one instead...
  194. # [23:26] <@hub> tbsaunde: nouveau can work. but it is still sketchy and on new card, it might fail
  195. # [23:27] <@hub> askalski: Thinkpad X220
  196. # [23:27] <@tbsaunde> hub: kde a11y is probably in the works, there's a qt guy working on speaking the dbus protocol directly to at-spi
  197. # [23:27] <@hub> tbsaunde: Sina, that I met at CSUN, is willing to mentor a Summer of Code project for that
  198. # [23:28] <@tbsaunde> hub: true, though my one experience with a intel gpu wasn't great
  199. # [23:28] * @tbsaunde thinks there's a lot of luck involved with whatever you have :/
  200. # [23:28] <@askalski> hub, I have no problem with heavy laptops, I work out a lot
  201. # [23:28] <@hub> tbsaunde: I know Ubuntu has had shitty drivers for a while.
  202. # [23:29] <@askalski> hub, and I need a 3d support for habanero
  203. # [23:29] <@hub> tbsaunde: but, hell, it's Ubuntu
  204. # [23:29] <@hub> askalski: 3D works fine on my Intel
  205. # [23:29] * @tbsaunde knows nothing about ubuntu other than pulse is generally pain
  206. # [23:30] <@hub> tbsaunde: hardware support is often random. I wish there was a dedicated Linux hardware vendor with real linux support
  207. # [23:30] <@askalski> ha! just got something brilliantly debugged!
  208. # [23:30] <@tbsaunde> I don't know if this Sina is the guy I'm thinking about, but fregl in #a11y is a Nokia guy working on qt and had 1 or 2 summmer of code people last summer
  209. # [23:31] <@askalski> I mean the bug was idiotic, but anyway...
  210. # [23:31] <@askalski> tbsaunde, hub, btw, a guy who does open-source alternative drivers to nvidia
  211. # [23:31] <@hub> tbsaunde: it is not fregl.
  212. # [23:31] <@askalski> uses w520, and studies at my faculty
  213. # [23:31] <@tbsaunde> askalski: you can probably get a11y working in xfce without that much work, I use fluxbox with a11y myself
  214. # [23:32] <@hub> askalski: "use a w520" <- this means nothing. they change hardware like one change underwear.
  215. # [23:32] <@askalski> he's 22, and already teaching advanced OS classes already, because professors decided he's better than anyone in the staff
  216. # [23:32] <@tbsaunde> heh
  217. # [23:32] <@askalski> hub, 'sticks to thinkpad w series'
  218. # [23:32] <@hub> we'll see
  219. # [23:32] <@askalski> :D
  220. # [23:32] <@askalski> ok anyway
  221. # [23:32] <@hub> I'd like to be wrong on that one
  222. # [23:32] <@askalski> I tried to recruit him lately
  223. # [23:33] <@askalski> no response so far :(
  224. # [23:33] <@askalski> shame, he would blow the interviews in 10 seconds
  225. # [23:33] <@hub> tbsaunde: fluxbox is accessible?
  226. # [23:34] <@tbsaunde> hub: the wm itself no, but all I do with x is run a rxvt and firefox so accessible firefox is basically enough for me :)
  227. # [23:36] <@askalski> ok, it's close to midnight in Poland and I need to be up in the morning
  228. # [23:36] <@askalski> so bye everyone
  229. # [23:37] <@hub> night
  230. # [23:38] * Quits: @askalski (akuda@moz-6A36EC49.ip.abpl.pl) (Quit: Wychodzi)
  231. # Session Close: Fri Mar 09 00:00:01 2012

The end :)