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- # Session Start: Thu Mar 15 00:00:00 2012
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
- # [00:20] <fxa90id> :D
- # [00:24] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net cancelled review?(mak77@bonardo.net) for attachment 603639 on bug 407401.
- # [00:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407401 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, Remove namespaced ARIA support in feed parser
- # [00:32] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 735915 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
- # [00:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735915 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, make atk interface vfuncs static
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- # [00:42] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from askalski@mozilla.co m for attachment 606017 on bug 735915.
- # [00:43] <@firebot> dao@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 735233 from --- to Firefox 14.
- # [00:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735233 nor, --, Firefox 14, dao, ASSI, Shift-F6 should focus the location bar rather than the first focusable chrome element
- # [00:54] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 735921 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
- # [00:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735921 is not accessible
- # [00:56] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 606025 on bug 735921.
- # [01:11] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 605974 on bug 648265.
- # [01:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=648265 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, provide dexcomed table interface version
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- # [05:36] <@firebot> masayuki@d-toybox.com changed the Status on bug 450011 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [05:36] <@firebot> masayuki@d-toybox.com set the Resolution field on bug 450011 to DUPLICATE of bug 479942.
- # [05:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=479942 min, --, ---, masayuki, ASSI, shift+space doesn't scroll up with some keyboard layouts
- # [05:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=450011 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Shift+Spacebar doesn't work when current keyboard layout is Thai
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- # [07:59] <@firebot> jigneshhk1992@gmail.com requested feedback from surkov.alexander@ gmail.com for attachment 606127 on bug 726072.
- # [07:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726072 nor, --, ---, jigneshhk1992, NEW, nsAccUtils::GetMultiSelectableContainer should use nsDocAccessible::GetAccessible
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- # [11:08] <paul> Hi there - I have a question
- # [11:09] <paul> The Firefox Inspector comes with a toolbar
- # [11:09] <paul> (menu Web Developer > Inspect)
- # [11:09] <paul> we are planning to add some buttons with no labels
- # [11:09] <paul> see here: https://bug717922.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=590776
- # [11:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=717922 nor, P3, ---, paul, NEW, In the PageInspector toolbar, move the HTML Tree button in front of the breadcrumbs display
- # [11:10] <paul> no label means no visible accesskey
- # [11:10] <paul> how can we make sure these buttons are accessible?
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- # [14:22] <@MarcoZ> Hi all!
- # [14:22] <fxa90id> hi
- # [14:28] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Thanks for fixing that crasher so quickly! I'll make sure it gets into Aurora, and hopefully also beta.
- # [14:28] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Am I right in assuming that the patch for bug 735666 is low risk?
- # [14:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735666 cri, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, crash [@ nsIDocument::GetContainer() ]
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- # [14:33] <@MarcoZ> Morning hub! :)
- # [14:34] <@surkov> MarcoZ: thanks, sure
- # [14:34] <@surkov> and hi :)
- # [14:37] <@MarcoZ> surkov: OK! :) And good morning! ;-)
- # [14:38] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com denied feedback for attachment 606127 on bug 726072.
- # [14:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726072 nor, --, ---, jigneshhk1992, NEW, nsAccUtils::GetMultiSelectableContainer should use nsDocAccessible::GetAccessible
- # [14:39] <fxa90id> :D
- # [14:40] <fxa90id> good afternoon
- # [14:46] <@davidb> MarcoZ: good morning!
- # [14:46] <@davidb> fxa90id: hi
- # [14:47] <@davidb> err right good afternoon :)
- # [14:47] <fxa90id> hi
- # [14:49] <fxa90id> how it's going ?
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- # [14:56] <@davidb> surkov: http://www.pcworld.com/article/251747/google_chrome_to_get_a_metrostyle_look_for_windows_8.html
- # [14:57] <@davidb> surkov: http://www.brianbondy.com/blog/id/129/
- # [14:57] <@surkov> hi, fxa90id
- # [14:57] <fxa90id> hi surkov :D
- # [14:57] <fxa90id> Im almost finished patch:)
- # [14:57] <fxa90id> with 48% of your work and 48% of tbsaunde work :D
- # [14:58] <@davidb> surkov: you might want to hang in #windev occasionally
- # [14:59] <@surkov> cool
- # [15:00] <fxa90id> davidb, are you working on windows ?
- # [15:00] <@davidb> not particularly
- # [15:04] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 736059 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
- # [15:04] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 606189 on bug 736059.
- # [15:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736059 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, do some cleanups of nsAccessible::GetAttributesInternal
- # [15:07] <@firebot> jigneshhk1992@gmail.com requested feedback from surkov.alexander@ gmail.com for attachment 606191 on bug 726072.
- # [15:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726072 nor, --, ---, jigneshhk1992, NEW, nsAccUtils::GetMultiSelectableContainer should use nsDocAccessible::GetAccessible
- # [15:09] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org granted review for attachment 606025 on bug 735921.
- # [15:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735921 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, kill nsAccessibleWrap::ShutdownAtkObject()
- # [15:10] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled feedback?(surkov.alexander@ gmail.com) for attachment 606191 on bug 726072.
- # [15:11] <@davidb> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/2012-Q1-Goals#Accessibility
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- # [15:12] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from ginn.chen@oracle.co m for attachment 606025 on bug 735921.
- # [15:13] <@davidb> MarcoZ: can you vidyo in for a bit?
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- # [15:23] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Yes, coming in now!
- # [15:23] <@davidb> ok
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- # [15:37] <@surkov> 735663
- # [15:44] <@davidb> surkov: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_%28development%29
- # [15:45] <@davidb> http://www.infoq.com/presentations/The-Roots-of-Scrum
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- # [16:10] <@davidb> askalski: I've begun collating useful new platform hire info here https://etherpad.mozilla.org/newhire
- # [16:10] <@davidb> the mailings lists are there
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- # [16:12] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Status on bug 733382 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
- # [16:12] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net set the Resolution field on bug 733382 to FIXED.
- # [16:12] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Target Milestone on bug 733382 from --- to mozilla14.
- # [16:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733382 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, editable state bit should be presented on readonly inputs
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- # [16:23] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Status on bug 735666 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
- # [16:24] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net set the Resolution field on bug 735666 to FIXED.
- # [16:24] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Target Milestone on bug 735666 from --- to mozilla14.
- # [16:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735666 cri, --, mozilla14, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, crash [@ nsIDocument::GetContainer() ]
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- # [16:30] <@tbsaunde> davidb: shouldn't the new hire stuff go on the intranet wiki page?
- # [16:32] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Status on bug 735233 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
- # [16:32] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net set the Resolution field on bug 735233 to FIXED.
- # [16:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735233 nor, --, Firefox 14, dao, RESO FIXED, Shift-F6 should focus the location bar rather than the first focusable chrome element
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- # [16:39] <fxa90id> hmm
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- # [17:04] <@tbsaunde> fxa90id: ?
- # [17:05] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I doubt you'll like it since its fairly similar to the table template trick, but here's my current idea for getting rid of queryinterface in CAccessibleAction as an example, but it should work ofr the other CAccessible* classes
- # [17:05] <@tbsaunde> once we do this for all the classes I think doing seperate object for msaa / ia2 interfaces should be easy
- # [17:09] <@firebot> jigneshhk1992@gmail.com requested feedback from surkov.alexander@ gmail.com for attachment 606242 on bug 726072.
- # [17:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726072 nor, --, ---, jigneshhk1992, NEW, nsAccUtils::GetMultiSelectableContainer should use nsDocAccessible::GetAccessible
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- # [17:24] <@davidb> lunch is ready when we are
- # [17:24] <@hub> yeah ok
- # [17:24] <@davidb> hub, eeejay, tbsaunde etc
- # [17:25] <@davidb> i'm probably not going to eat until 1pm
- # [17:25] <@eeejay> cool
- # [17:28] <jlin> let me know when you are breaking
- # [17:29] * @tbsaunde probably going to eat soon
- # [17:29] <jlin> stuff for eejay askalski and need to talk w/ hub
- # [17:29] <jlin> I'm santa claus this week
- # [17:31] <@eeejay> jlin, we are breaking, it seems. no structured discussions
- # [17:32] <@eeejay> bbiab, sitting on the sofa and doing some personal desktop publishing
- # [17:33] * @davidb is listening to brown bag
- # [17:33] <jlin> k
- # [17:33] <jlin> yah I'm on something else now
- # [17:37] <@MarcoZ> Looks like everyone's breaking, including me. Doing all kinds of random stuff.
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- # [17:40] <fxa90id> :D
- # [17:40] <fxa90id> hello everyone
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- # [17:53] <paul> In the Firefox Devtools, I am creating buttons and menus that don't have labels. No labels == no accesskey
- # [17:53] <paul> how can I make sure this is accessible?
- # [17:54] <paul> can I add "… (Alt + …)" in the tooltip? Would that work?
- # [17:55] <@MarcoZ> paul: You cannot add an attribute within an attribute.
- # [17:55] <@MarcoZ> So the tooltip text must contain the access key, preferably at the very end of the string.
- # [17:56] <@MarcoZ> paul: I'm more worried about the labels. I guess if these buttons have toltip text, we'll pick them up automatically. Unlabelled buttons for screen readers are horrific.
- # [17:58] <paul> MarcoZ: for more context, this is for the toolbar we add in the inspector
- # [17:58] <paul> MarcoZ: the current "HTML" button will be redesigned, and we want to get rid of the label.
- # [17:58] <@MarcoZ> paul: Are these options available in other ways, e. g. through a context menu on the given elemt, too?
- # [17:59] <paul> no
- # [17:59] <paul> Today, it's accessible with "Alt + H" (once the inspector is open)
- # [17:59] <@MarcoZ> OK, so they need to be keyboard accessible, and they need to be labelled for screen readers somehow.
- # [17:59] <@MarcoZ> But that will change?
- # [17:59] <paul> no
- # [17:59] <paul> I mean
- # [17:59] <paul> it doesn't have to
- # [18:00] <paul> but since there's no label, we can't show the accesskey
- # [18:00] <@MarcoZ> I am really curious how the sighted people are supposed to know what a button does if it doesn't have a label or other visual indicator, for that matter.
- # [18:01] <@MarcoZ> So they first have to mouse over each and every button to see what it does. Doesn't sound too user-friendly to me.
- # [18:01] <paul> MarcoZ: what if I display:none the label?
- # [18:01] <@MarcoZ> Then it won't be created. display:none; also means "don't make it accessible".
- # [18:01] <paul> visibility:collapse?
- # [18:01] <@MarcoZ> Might work. visibility:hidden; definitely has the same effect as display:none;.
- # [18:02] <@MarcoZ> Would need to be tested.
- # [18:02] <paul> ok - I can do that
- # [18:02] <paul> (using visibility)
- # [18:03] <paul> my other question is how to make sure people can use the button from the keyboard
- # [18:03] <paul> there is an accesskey, but people can't know which one it is because of the absence of label
- # [18:04] <@MarcoZ> Make the toolbar focusable and allow the user to move through the buttons using the arrow keys (not tab).
- # [18:04] <@MarcoZ> Tab should instead move to the next focusable item outside the toolbar.
- # [18:05] <paul> ok!
- # [18:05] <paul> thanks :)
- # [18:05] <@MarcoZ> Feel free to thro me a try-server build once you have something to test.
- # [18:06] <paul> MarcoZ: I might do that. Thanks
- # [18:06] <@MarcoZ> Thanks for reaching out!
- # [18:11] <@firebot> bzbarsky@mit.edu granted review for attachment 605961 on bug 732389.
- # [18:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=732389 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, image map accessible tree is not updated when image map is changed
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- # [18:16] <@davidb> surkov: https://wiki.mozilla.org/2012/SXSW
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- # [18:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727722 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Create an accessible for HTML table row by frame
- # [18:32] <fxa90id> :D
- # [18:32] <fxa90id> ej to o mnie
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- # [18:36] <@tbsaunde> <@tbsaunde> surkov: I doubt you'll like it since its fairly similar to the table template trick, but here's my current idea for getting rid of queryinterface in CAccessibleAction as an example, but it should work ofr the other CAccessible* classes
- # [18:36] <@tbsaunde> <@tbsaunde> once we do this for all the classes I think doing seperate object for msaa / ia2 interfaces should be easy
- # [18:36] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ^
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- # [18:44] <@davidb> we have archiving on the new list - finally
- # [18:44] <@davidb> http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.accessibility/topics?pli=1
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- # [19:02] <@tbsaunde> surkov: http://paste.debian.net/159876/
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- # [19:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726072 nor, --, ---, jigneshhk1992, NEW, nsAccUtils::GetMultiSelectableContainer should use nsDocAccessible::GetAccessible
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- # [19:19] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 606237 on bug 726071.
- # [19:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726071 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, get rid nsAccUtils::GetPositionAndSizeForXULSelectControlItem
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- # [19:21] <@davidb> tbsaunde: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Mission
- # [19:25] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted feedback for attachment 606295 on bug 726072.
- # [19:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726072 nor, --, ---, jigneshhk1992, NEW, nsAccUtils::GetMultiSelectableContainer should use nsDocAccessible::GetAccessible
- # [19:38] <@hub> eeejay: if you want wifi on the b2g, there is an update and then still missing a pull request to work
- # [19:38] <@hub> eeejay: update of Gaia
- # [19:38] <@hub> wifi that is not hardcoded
- # [19:38] <@eeejay> hub, still for open aps, right?
- # [19:39] <@hub> it supports WPA
- # [19:39] <@eeejay> cool
- # [19:39] <@hub> ask the password
- # [19:39] <@hub> but does not connect yet to anything (that's the missing pull request)
- # [19:39] <@eeejay> by the time i am back in seattle it will be in master
- # [19:39] <@hub> yep
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- # [19:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727722 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Create an accessible for HTML table row by frame
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- # [21:52] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: it'd be great if you could build http://paste.debian.net/159901/ on windows if your setup and not busy
- # [21:52] <@tbsaunde> mostly to be sure I didn't do something dumb
- # [21:53] <@firebot> askalski@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 606017 on bug 735915.
- # [21:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735915 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, make atk interface vfuncs static
- # [22:07] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 736252 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
- # [22:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736252 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, stop using QueryInterface in CAccessibleAction
- # [22:08] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 606347 on bug 736252.
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- # [22:13] <fxa90id> :)
- # [22:13] <@davidb> askalski: graydon
- # [22:13] <fxa90id> thx for review
- # [22:14] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from ginn.chen@oracle.co m for attachment 606348 on bug 735915.
- # [22:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735915 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, make atk interface vfuncs static
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- # [22:50] <@davidb> surkov: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Mar/0147.html
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- # [22:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736252 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, stop using QueryInterface in CAccessibleAction
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- # [23:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=648265 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, provide dexcomed table interface version
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