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  1. # Session Start: Thu Mar 15 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:20] <fxa90id> :D
  4. # [00:24] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net cancelled review?(mak77@bonardo.net) for attachment 603639 on bug 407401.
  5. # [00:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407401 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, Remove namespaced ARIA support in feed parser
  6. # [00:32] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 735915 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
  7. # [00:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735915 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, make atk interface vfuncs static
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  9. # [00:42] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from askalski@mozilla.co m for attachment 606017 on bug 735915.
  10. # [00:43] <@firebot> dao@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 735233 from --- to Firefox 14.
  11. # [00:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735233 nor, --, Firefox 14, dao, ASSI, Shift-F6 should focus the location bar rather than the first focusable chrome element
  12. # [00:54] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 735921 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
  13. # [00:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735921 is not accessible
  14. # [00:56] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 606025 on bug 735921.
  15. # [01:11] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 605974 on bug 648265.
  16. # [01:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=648265 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, provide dexcomed table interface version
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  36. # [05:36] <@firebot> masayuki@d-toybox.com changed the Status on bug 450011 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  37. # [05:36] <@firebot> masayuki@d-toybox.com set the Resolution field on bug 450011 to DUPLICATE of bug 479942.
  38. # [05:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=479942 min, --, ---, masayuki, ASSI, shift+space doesn't scroll up with some keyboard layouts
  39. # [05:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=450011 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Shift+Spacebar doesn't work when current keyboard layout is Thai
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  50. # [07:59] <@firebot> jigneshhk1992@gmail.com requested feedback from surkov.alexander@ gmail.com for attachment 606127 on bug 726072.
  51. # [07:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726072 nor, --, ---, jigneshhk1992, NEW, nsAccUtils::GetMultiSelectableContainer should use nsDocAccessible::GetAccessible
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  63. # [11:08] <paul> Hi there - I have a question
  64. # [11:09] <paul> The Firefox Inspector comes with a toolbar
  65. # [11:09] <paul> (menu Web Developer > Inspect)
  66. # [11:09] <paul> we are planning to add some buttons with no labels
  67. # [11:09] <paul> see here: https://bug717922.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=590776
  68. # [11:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=717922 nor, P3, ---, paul, NEW, In the PageInspector toolbar, move the HTML Tree button in front of the breadcrumbs display
  69. # [11:10] <paul> no label means no visible accesskey
  70. # [11:10] <paul> how can we make sure these buttons are accessible?
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  103. # [14:22] <@MarcoZ> Hi all!
  104. # [14:22] <fxa90id> hi
  105. # [14:28] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Thanks for fixing that crasher so quickly! I'll make sure it gets into Aurora, and hopefully also beta.
  106. # [14:28] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Am I right in assuming that the patch for bug 735666 is low risk?
  107. # [14:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735666 cri, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, crash [@ nsIDocument::GetContainer() ]
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  110. # [14:33] <@MarcoZ> Morning hub! :)
  111. # [14:34] <@surkov> MarcoZ: thanks, sure
  112. # [14:34] <@surkov> and hi :)
  113. # [14:37] <@MarcoZ> surkov: OK! :) And good morning! ;-)
  114. # [14:38] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com denied feedback for attachment 606127 on bug 726072.
  115. # [14:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726072 nor, --, ---, jigneshhk1992, NEW, nsAccUtils::GetMultiSelectableContainer should use nsDocAccessible::GetAccessible
  116. # [14:39] <fxa90id> :D
  117. # [14:40] <fxa90id> good afternoon
  118. # [14:46] <@davidb> MarcoZ: good morning!
  119. # [14:46] <@davidb> fxa90id: hi
  120. # [14:47] <@davidb> err right good afternoon :)
  121. # [14:47] <fxa90id> hi
  122. # [14:49] <fxa90id> how it's going ?
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  124. # [14:56] <@davidb> surkov: http://www.pcworld.com/article/251747/google_chrome_to_get_a_metrostyle_look_for_windows_8.html
  125. # [14:57] <@davidb> surkov: http://www.brianbondy.com/blog/id/129/
  126. # [14:57] <@surkov> hi, fxa90id
  127. # [14:57] <fxa90id> hi surkov :D
  128. # [14:57] <fxa90id> Im almost finished patch:)
  129. # [14:57] <fxa90id> with 48% of your work and 48% of tbsaunde work :D
  130. # [14:58] <@davidb> surkov: you might want to hang in #windev occasionally
  131. # [14:59] <@surkov> cool
  132. # [15:00] <fxa90id> davidb, are you working on windows ?
  133. # [15:00] <@davidb> not particularly
  134. # [15:04] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 736059 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  135. # [15:04] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 606189 on bug 736059.
  136. # [15:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736059 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, do some cleanups of nsAccessible::GetAttributesInternal
  137. # [15:07] <@firebot> jigneshhk1992@gmail.com requested feedback from surkov.alexander@ gmail.com for attachment 606191 on bug 726072.
  138. # [15:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726072 nor, --, ---, jigneshhk1992, NEW, nsAccUtils::GetMultiSelectableContainer should use nsDocAccessible::GetAccessible
  139. # [15:09] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org granted review for attachment 606025 on bug 735921.
  140. # [15:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735921 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, kill nsAccessibleWrap::ShutdownAtkObject()
  141. # [15:10] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled feedback?(surkov.alexander@ gmail.com) for attachment 606191 on bug 726072.
  142. # [15:11] <@davidb> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/2012-Q1-Goals#Accessibility
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  145. # [15:12] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from ginn.chen@oracle.co m for attachment 606025 on bug 735921.
  146. # [15:13] <@davidb> MarcoZ: can you vidyo in for a bit?
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  149. # [15:23] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Yes, coming in now!
  150. # [15:23] <@davidb> ok
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  152. # [15:37] <@surkov> 735663
  153. # [15:44] <@davidb> surkov: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_%28development%29
  154. # [15:45] <@davidb> http://www.infoq.com/presentations/The-Roots-of-Scrum
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  156. # [16:10] <@davidb> askalski: I've begun collating useful new platform hire info here https://etherpad.mozilla.org/newhire
  157. # [16:10] <@davidb> the mailings lists are there
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  159. # [16:12] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Status on bug 733382 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  160. # [16:12] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net set the Resolution field on bug 733382 to FIXED.
  161. # [16:12] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Target Milestone on bug 733382 from --- to mozilla14.
  162. # [16:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733382 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, editable state bit should be presented on readonly inputs
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  167. # [16:23] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Status on bug 735666 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  168. # [16:24] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net set the Resolution field on bug 735666 to FIXED.
  169. # [16:24] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Target Milestone on bug 735666 from --- to mozilla14.
  170. # [16:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735666 cri, --, mozilla14, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, crash [@ nsIDocument::GetContainer() ]
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  172. # [16:30] <@tbsaunde> davidb: shouldn't the new hire stuff go on the intranet wiki page?
  173. # [16:32] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Status on bug 735233 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  174. # [16:32] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net set the Resolution field on bug 735233 to FIXED.
  175. # [16:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735233 nor, --, Firefox 14, dao, RESO FIXED, Shift-F6 should focus the location bar rather than the first focusable chrome element
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  179. # [16:39] <fxa90id> hmm
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  187. # [17:04] <@tbsaunde> fxa90id: ?
  188. # [17:05] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I doubt you'll like it since its fairly similar to the table template trick, but here's my current idea for getting rid of queryinterface in CAccessibleAction as an example, but it should work ofr the other CAccessible* classes
  189. # [17:05] <@tbsaunde> once we do this for all the classes I think doing seperate object for msaa / ia2 interfaces should be easy
  190. # [17:09] <@firebot> jigneshhk1992@gmail.com requested feedback from surkov.alexander@ gmail.com for attachment 606242 on bug 726072.
  191. # [17:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726072 nor, --, ---, jigneshhk1992, NEW, nsAccUtils::GetMultiSelectableContainer should use nsDocAccessible::GetAccessible
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  198. # [17:24] <@davidb> lunch is ready when we are
  199. # [17:24] <@hub> yeah ok
  200. # [17:24] <@davidb> hub, eeejay, tbsaunde etc
  201. # [17:25] <@davidb> i'm probably not going to eat until 1pm
  202. # [17:25] <@eeejay> cool
  203. # [17:28] <jlin> let me know when you are breaking
  204. # [17:29] * @tbsaunde probably going to eat soon
  205. # [17:29] <jlin> stuff for eejay askalski and need to talk w/ hub
  206. # [17:29] <jlin> I'm santa claus this week
  207. # [17:31] <@eeejay> jlin, we are breaking, it seems. no structured discussions
  208. # [17:32] <@eeejay> bbiab, sitting on the sofa and doing some personal desktop publishing
  209. # [17:33] * @davidb is listening to brown bag
  210. # [17:33] <jlin> k
  211. # [17:33] <jlin> yah I'm on something else now
  212. # [17:37] <@MarcoZ> Looks like everyone's breaking, including me. Doing all kinds of random stuff.
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  214. # [17:40] <fxa90id> :D
  215. # [17:40] <fxa90id> hello everyone
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  219. # [17:53] <paul> In the Firefox Devtools, I am creating buttons and menus that don't have labels. No labels == no accesskey
  220. # [17:53] <paul> how can I make sure this is accessible?
  221. # [17:54] <paul> can I add "… (Alt + …)" in the tooltip? Would that work?
  222. # [17:55] <@MarcoZ> paul: You cannot add an attribute within an attribute.
  223. # [17:55] <@MarcoZ> So the tooltip text must contain the access key, preferably at the very end of the string.
  224. # [17:56] <@MarcoZ> paul: I'm more worried about the labels. I guess if these buttons have toltip text, we'll pick them up automatically. Unlabelled buttons for screen readers are horrific.
  225. # [17:58] <paul> MarcoZ: for more context, this is for the toolbar we add in the inspector
  226. # [17:58] <paul> MarcoZ: the current "HTML" button will be redesigned, and we want to get rid of the label.
  227. # [17:58] <@MarcoZ> paul: Are these options available in other ways, e. g. through a context menu on the given elemt, too?
  228. # [17:59] <paul> no
  229. # [17:59] <paul> Today, it's accessible with "Alt + H" (once the inspector is open)
  230. # [17:59] <@MarcoZ> OK, so they need to be keyboard accessible, and they need to be labelled for screen readers somehow.
  231. # [17:59] <@MarcoZ> But that will change?
  232. # [17:59] <paul> no
  233. # [17:59] <paul> I mean
  234. # [17:59] <paul> it doesn't have to
  235. # [18:00] <paul> but since there's no label, we can't show the accesskey
  236. # [18:00] <@MarcoZ> I am really curious how the sighted people are supposed to know what a button does if it doesn't have a label or other visual indicator, for that matter.
  237. # [18:01] <@MarcoZ> So they first have to mouse over each and every button to see what it does. Doesn't sound too user-friendly to me.
  238. # [18:01] <paul> MarcoZ: what if I display:none the label?
  239. # [18:01] <@MarcoZ> Then it won't be created. display:none; also means "don't make it accessible".
  240. # [18:01] <paul> visibility:collapse?
  241. # [18:01] <@MarcoZ> Might work. visibility:hidden; definitely has the same effect as display:none;.
  242. # [18:02] <@MarcoZ> Would need to be tested.
  243. # [18:02] <paul> ok - I can do that
  244. # [18:02] <paul> (using visibility)
  245. # [18:03] <paul> my other question is how to make sure people can use the button from the keyboard
  246. # [18:03] <paul> there is an accesskey, but people can't know which one it is because of the absence of label
  247. # [18:04] <@MarcoZ> Make the toolbar focusable and allow the user to move through the buttons using the arrow keys (not tab).
  248. # [18:04] <@MarcoZ> Tab should instead move to the next focusable item outside the toolbar.
  249. # [18:05] <paul> ok!
  250. # [18:05] <paul> thanks :)
  251. # [18:05] <@MarcoZ> Feel free to thro me a try-server build once you have something to test.
  252. # [18:06] <paul> MarcoZ: I might do that. Thanks
  253. # [18:06] <@MarcoZ> Thanks for reaching out!
  254. # [18:11] <@firebot> bzbarsky@mit.edu granted review for attachment 605961 on bug 732389.
  255. # [18:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=732389 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, image map accessible tree is not updated when image map is changed
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  261. # [18:16] <@davidb> surkov: https://wiki.mozilla.org/2012/SXSW
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  264. # [18:32] <@firebot> askalski@mozilla.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 606249 on bug 727722.
  265. # [18:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727722 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Create an accessible for HTML table row by frame
  266. # [18:32] <fxa90id> :D
  267. # [18:32] <fxa90id> ej to o mnie
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  269. # [18:36] <@tbsaunde> <@tbsaunde> surkov: I doubt you'll like it since its fairly similar to the table template trick, but here's my current idea for getting rid of queryinterface in CAccessibleAction as an example, but it should work ofr the other CAccessible* classes
  270. # [18:36] <@tbsaunde> <@tbsaunde> once we do this for all the classes I think doing seperate object for msaa / ia2 interfaces should be easy
  271. # [18:36] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ^
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  276. # [18:44] <@davidb> we have archiving on the new list - finally
  277. # [18:44] <@davidb> http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.accessibility/topics?pli=1
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  280. # [19:02] <@tbsaunde> surkov: http://paste.debian.net/159876/
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  282. # [19:14] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com denied feedback for attachment 606242 on bug 726072.
  283. # [19:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726072 nor, --, ---, jigneshhk1992, NEW, nsAccUtils::GetMultiSelectableContainer should use nsDocAccessible::GetAccessible
  284. # [19:18] <@firebot> jigneshhk1992@gmail.com requested feedback from surkov.alexander@ gmail.com for attachment 606295 on bug 726072.
  285. # [19:19] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 606237 on bug 726071.
  286. # [19:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726071 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, get rid nsAccUtils::GetPositionAndSizeForXULSelectControlItem
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  288. # [19:21] <@davidb> tbsaunde: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Mission
  289. # [19:25] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted feedback for attachment 606295 on bug 726072.
  290. # [19:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726072 nor, --, ---, jigneshhk1992, NEW, nsAccUtils::GetMultiSelectableContainer should use nsDocAccessible::GetAccessible
  291. # [19:38] <@hub> eeejay: if you want wifi on the b2g, there is an update and then still missing a pull request to work
  292. # [19:38] <@hub> eeejay: update of Gaia
  293. # [19:38] <@hub> wifi that is not hardcoded
  294. # [19:38] <@eeejay> hub, still for open aps, right?
  295. # [19:39] <@hub> it supports WPA
  296. # [19:39] <@eeejay> cool
  297. # [19:39] <@hub> ask the password
  298. # [19:39] <@hub> but does not connect yet to anything (that's the missing pull request)
  299. # [19:39] <@eeejay> by the time i am back in seattle it will be in master
  300. # [19:39] <@hub> yep
  301. # [19:48] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com denied review for attachment 606249 on bug 727722.
  302. # [19:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727722 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Create an accessible for HTML table row by frame
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  320. # [21:52] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: it'd be great if you could build http://paste.debian.net/159901/ on windows if your setup and not busy
  321. # [21:52] <@tbsaunde> mostly to be sure I didn't do something dumb
  322. # [21:53] <@firebot> askalski@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 606017 on bug 735915.
  323. # [21:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735915 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, make atk interface vfuncs static
  324. # [22:07] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 736252 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
  325. # [22:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736252 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, stop using QueryInterface in CAccessibleAction
  326. # [22:08] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 606347 on bug 736252.
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  329. # [22:13] <fxa90id> :)
  330. # [22:13] <@davidb> askalski: graydon
  331. # [22:13] <fxa90id> thx for review
  332. # [22:14] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from ginn.chen@oracle.co m for attachment 606348 on bug 735915.
  333. # [22:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735915 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, make atk interface vfuncs static
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  335. # [22:16] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 606347 on bug 736252.
  336. # [22:17] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested superreview from neil@httl.net for attachment 606347 on bug 736252.
  337. # [22:50] <@davidb> surkov: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Mar/0147.html
  338. # [22:52] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled superreview?(neil@httl.net) for attachment 606347 on bug 736252.
  339. # [22:52] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 606355 on bug 736252.
  340. # [22:52] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested superreview from neil@httl.net for attachment 606355 on bug 736252.
  341. # [22:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736252 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, stop using QueryInterface in CAccessibleAction
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  348. # [23:01] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested superreview from neil@httl.net for attachment 606361 on bug 648265.
  349. # [23:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=648265 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, provide dexcomed table interface version
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