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  1. # Session Start: Fri Mar 16 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  10. # [02:54] <@firebot> bugs@pettay.fi granted review for attachment 601536 on bug 728103.
  11. # [02:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=728103 nor, --, ---, masayuki, NEW, Shouldn't we change modifier for HTML accesskey from Control to Control + Option?
  12. # [03:02] <@firebot> bugs@pettay.fi granted review for attachment 601537 on bug 728103.
  13. # [03:02] <@firebot> limi@mozilla.com granted ui-review for attachment 601536 on bug 728103.
  14. # [03:02] <@firebot> limi@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 601536 on bug 728103.
  15. # [03:09] <@firebot> masayuki@d-toybox.com changed the Status on bug 728103 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  16. # [03:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=728103 nor, --, ---, masayuki, ASSI, Shouldn't we change modifier for HTML accesskey from Control to Control + Option?
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  25. # [03:39] * arky waves davidb
  26. # [03:39] <@davidb> hi
  27. # [03:42] <arky> davidb, let me introduce myself, current with mozilla l10n, previously working braille without borders and debian/gnome/orca community http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com/
  28. # [03:43] <@davidb> arky: your nick seems very familiar to me
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  30. # [03:43] <@davidb> sorry i'm mostly distracted at the moment
  31. # [03:43] <arky> davidb, np
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  33. # [03:56] <@firebot> cristinamibanez@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 736349 from Untriaged to Keyboard Navigation.
  34. # [03:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736349 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Ctrl-T shortcut does not work
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  46. # [07:09] <@firebot> ginn.chen@oracle.com granted review for attachment 606348 on bug 735915.
  47. # [07:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735915 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, make atk interface vfuncs static
  48. # [07:38] <@firebot> masayuki@d-toybox.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 728103 from --- to mozilla14.
  49. # [07:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=728103 nor, --, mozilla14, masayuki, ASSI, Shouldn't we change modifier for HTML accesskey from Control to Control + Option?
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  59. # [11:32] <fxa90id> hi
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  77. # [13:19] <@tbsaunde> surkov: morning
  78. # [13:19] <@tbsaunde> fxa90id: hi
  79. # [13:19] <@surkov> tbsaunde: hi
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  91. # [14:27] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Status on bug 732389 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  92. # [14:27] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net set the Resolution field on bug 732389 to FIXED.
  93. # [14:27] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Target Milestone on bug 732389 from --- to mozilla14.
  94. # [14:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=732389 nor, --, mozilla14, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, image map accessible tree is not updated when image map is changed
  95. # [14:28] <@MarcoZ> Hi all!
  96. # [14:29] <icaaq> MarcoZ: Hi :)
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  98. # [14:33] <icaaq> @mozillaa11y looks cool, hope it turns out well
  99. # [14:34] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: Thank you! I think we're doing very good on Windows and Linux, and are improving on Mac, and the mobile space is gearing up, too.
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  101. # [14:41] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Status on bug 726072 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  102. # [14:41] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net set the Resolution field on bug 726072 to FIXED.
  103. # [14:41] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Target Milestone on bug 726072 from --- to mozilla14.
  104. # [14:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726072 nor, --, mozilla14, jigneshhk1992, RESO FIXED, nsAccUtils::GetMultiSelectableContainer should use nsDocAccessible::GetAccessible
  105. # [14:41] <@firebot> Ms2ger@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 728103 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  106. # [14:41] <@firebot> Ms2ger@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 728103 to FIXED.
  107. # [14:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=728103 nor, --, mozilla14, masayuki, RESO FIXED, Shouldn't we change modifier for HTML accesskey from Control to Control + Option?
  108. # [14:44] <icaaq> MarcoZ: are the tweets generally going to be about mozilla applications or about the web?
  109. # [14:54] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: You mean the tweets of the MarcoInEnglish Twitter account? Mozilla, general web accessibility, occasional Apple accessibility etc.
  110. # [14:56] <icaaq> MarcoZ: no I mean from @mozillaa11y :)
  111. # [15:01] <@MarcoZ> Oh, that will mostly be mozilla related. Probably some general web design best practices tips if we come across them.
  112. # [15:01] <icaaq> ok, cool :)
  113. # [15:07] <icaaq> MarcoZ: I've seen on http://developer.mozilla.org that role="menubar" is used instead of role="navigation", do you know why? isn't role="navigation" more appropriate?
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  116. # [15:07] <paul> MarcoZ: can you please help us for bug 736418?
  117. # [15:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736418 nor, --, ---, paul, ASSI, For accessibility reasons, we should not remove the label of the Inspector button, but hide it
  118. # [15:08] <paul> MarcoZ: one of the buttons I was talking about before is the "Inspect" button
  119. # [15:08] <paul> MarcoZ: that let's you select a node in the document with the mouse
  120. # [15:09] <paul> MarcoZ: we don't know if we should use a label in this case (we just have an icon + tooltip for now)
  121. # [15:09] <paul> MarcoZ: (see comment 5)
  122. # [15:11] <@firebot> scoobidiver@netcourrier.com changed the Status on bug 719105 from RESOLVED to REOPENED.
  123. # [15:11] <@firebot> scoobidiver@netcourrier.com changed the Component on bug 719105 from General to Keyboard: Navigation.
  124. # [15:11] <@firebot> scoobidiver@netcourrier.com cleared the Resolution 'DUPLICATE' from bug 719105.
  125. # [15:11] <@firebot> scoobidiver@netcourrier.com changed the Product on bug 719105 from Firefox to Core.
  126. # [15:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719105 cri, --, ---, nobody, REOP, Firefox Crash [@ nsFrameLoader::Show(int, int, int, int, nsSubDocumentFrame*) ]
  127. # [15:11] <@firebot> scoobidiver@netcourrier.com changed the Component on bug 719105 from Keyboard: Navigation to Layout.
  128. # [15:15] <@MarcoZ> paul: I don't understand what it means "the button lets you select a node in the tree with the mouse". What's the exact workflow, and is there a keyboard alternative for it?
  129. # [15:15] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: Well it depends. role "menubar" or "menu" may be appropriate if certain things are hidden initially, and then brought into view, and if they look like menus.
  130. # [15:18] <paul> MarcoZ: when you press the button, then you can over the web page, and see a rectangle around the node under the mouse. Then you can click, and the node is selected.
  131. # [15:19] <@MarcoZ> paul: OK, but the complete web page is also presented in a regular tree view, right? One that one can navigate via the keyboard.
  132. # [15:19] <@MarcoZ> paul: The keyboard solution for this, IMO, is to add an item to the context menu of the page that says something like "inspect this item". Firebug has this.
  133. # [15:20] <paul> MarcoZ: there's already a context menu, and also, pressing left/right/up/down let you browser the DOM
  134. # [15:21] <paul> MarcoZ: so it's already accessible. The question is "should we have the 'inspect' label in the 'inspect' button"
  135. # [15:21] <icaaq> MarcoZ: but when menubar or menu is used "Authors SHOULD ensure that menubar interaction is similar to the typical menu bar interaction in a desktop graphical user interface" // from spec. And that is not the case on MDN
  136. # [15:21] <@MarcoZ> paul: OK, but blind screen reader users are not the only targets for this accessibility stuff. Take someone who uses speech recognition, for example. They usually give commands like "click the 'inspect' button". And those software products use the accessibility APIs, too, and they also need a label to find the button to click on.
  137. # [15:22] <paul> MarcoZ: ok!
  138. # [15:22] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: Feel free to file a bug!
  139. # [15:22] <paul> MarcoZ: so we keep the "inspect" label
  140. # [15:22] <@MarcoZ> paul: Yes.
  141. # [15:22] <@MarcoZ> paul: I will comment in the bug.
  142. # [15:22] <paul> MarcoZ: thank you
  143. # [15:25] <icaaq> MarcoZ: I think the roles menubar and menu is more a application sort of thing like this for example http://test.cita.illinois.edu/aria/menubar/menubar1.php
  144. # [15:28] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: I agree. Feel free to file a bug, like I said. :)
  145. # [15:34] <icaaq> MarcoZ: will do, thanks
  146. # [15:39] <icaaq> MarcoZ: Do you think I should open a new bug or comment on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=519325 and especially on comment 4 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=519325#c4
  147. # [15:39] <@firebot> Bug 519325 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add ARIA roles
  148. # [15:55] <icaaq> I think most of the things written in bug 519325 is a bit strange
  149. # [15:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=519325 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add ARIA roles
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  156. # [16:23] <fxa90id> tbsaunde|afk, hi
  157. # [16:24] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: Open a new bug. This is in production and needs to be changed. So a new bug is appropriate. But use the same component/product as the one you quoted above.
  158. # [16:25] <icaaq> MarcoZ: ok
  159. # [16:57] <icaaq> MarcoZ: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736479
  160. # [16:57] <@firebot> Bug 736479 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Replace role="menubar" with role="navigation"
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  165. # [18:11] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Status on bug 735136 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  166. # [18:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735136 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, get rid of nsHTMLSelectOptionAccessible::GetPositionAndSizeInternal
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