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- # Session Start: Mon Mar 19 00:00:00 2012
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [01:05] <@firebot> sgautherie.bz@free.fr changed the Component on bug 661293 from XUL Widgets to Disability Access APIs.
- # [01:05] <@firebot> sgautherie.bz@free.fr changed the Product on bug 661293 from Toolkit to Core.
- # [01:05] <@firebot> sgautherie.bz@free.fr granted in-testsuite on bug 661293.
- # [01:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=661293 nor, --, mozilla14, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, the tabmodalprompt dialog's prompt label doesn't get the text properly associated for accessibility
- # [01:10] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 736905 filed by sgautherie.bz@free.fr.
- # [01:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736905 maj, P2, mozilla14, nobody, NEW, [SeaMonkey] "a11y/accessible/relations/test_ui_modalprompt.html | Test timed out."
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- # [08:17] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 736944 filed by scoobidiver@netcourrier.com.
- # [08:17] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736944 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in nsAccTreeWalker::NextChildInternal @ nsIFrame::IsGeneratedContentFrame
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- # [13:40] <@firebot> New Firefox - Keyboard Navigation bug 736985 filed by archaeopteryx@coole-files.de.
- # [13:40] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736985 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Alt + left clicking a link should open the link
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- # [14:02] <@firebot> New Firefox - Keyboard Navigation bug 736990 filed by spamcop@tgos.net.
- # [14:02] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736990 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Find operation breaks CTRL+A (jump to start of line) within text fields
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- # [14:06] <@MarcoZ> Oops, totally forgot to log on. Hi all! :)
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- # [14:14] <@askalski> hi everyone!
- # [14:15] <@MarcoZ> Hi askalski! Made it back home safely? :)
- # [14:16] <@askalski> MarcoZ, yes
- # [14:17] <@askalski> MarcoZ, it has been 19 hours of travel (door to door) but rather fine
- # [14:17] <@askalski> MarcoZ, also, I meet a great classic music band at the airport of Frankfurt
- # [14:17] <@MarcoZ> askalski: Nice!
- # [14:17] <@askalski> MarcoZ, that I am a huge fan of, so it was really nice
- # [14:17] <@MarcoZ> And yes, I know the feeling, it's usually that many hours from door to door for me, too.
- # [14:18] <@askalski> yeah. My gf is an angel today
- # [14:18] <@MarcoZ> :)
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- # [14:36] <@davidb> hi all!
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- # [14:43] <@MarcoZ> Hi davidb!
- # [14:43] <@davidb> MarcoZ: how are you?
- # [14:44] <@MarcoZ> Probably the least jetlagged! :)
- # [14:44] <@MarcoZ> Besides you davidb.
- # [14:44] <@davidb> heheh
- # [14:44] <@davidb> sleep is a wonderful thing
- # [14:44] <@davidb> i caught up on the weekend
- # [14:56] <@askalski> davidb, hi!
- # [14:56] <@davidb> hi!
- # [14:56] <@davidb> askalski: how are you?
- # [14:56] <@askalski> davidb, good, thanks. I answered your e-mail
- # [14:57] <@davidb> yeah :)
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- # [15:05] <@askalski> davidb, last time we talk about rust-lang and servo, I made a point about using the same lexer for both IDE and compiler, and you told me to write it down in an e-mail
- # [15:05] <@askalski> should I send it to you or someone else?
- # [15:07] <@davidb> ah
- # [15:07] <@davidb> i get you now - i think
- # [15:07] <@davidb> askalski: is the idea that inconsistencies can lead to frustration?
- # [15:09] <@davidb> MarcoZ: let's resume our meetings this week
- # [15:09] <@davidb> i think we missed sending out some cancellation notices
- # [15:09] <@askalski> davidb, it's about exposing internal compiler facilities in publishing symbols array, so an update to compiler updates behaviour of IDE immediately
- # [15:10] <@davidb> interesting
- # [15:10] <@askalski> I can write it down in a single letter, it's about making some of functions public and possibly invokable from commandline or via some library
- # [15:10] <@askalski> that's a IDE-writer dream
- # [15:11] <@davidb> yeah you could write it up or run it by Graydon over IRC
- # [15:11] <@askalski> ok. I have lunch
- # [15:11] <@davidb> bon appetite
- # [15:11] <@askalski> my gf did lasagna
- # [15:11] <@askalski> :D
- # [15:11] <@askalski> ok, see you soon
- # [15:11] * @davidb stomach grumbles
- # [15:11] <@davidb> ok
- # [15:15] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I plan on doing so! I don't think any harm was done, don't think we're joined by others than team members usually.
- # [15:15] * @davidb nods
- # [15:15] <@davidb> Good to have the regular cadence on announcements though I think.
- # [15:16] <@davidb> Just in case.
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- # [15:18] <@davidb> MarcoZ: more evidence of VO pain http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=118832&thanks=118832&ts=1332095413
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- # [15:51] <Stevef> davidb: hello
- # [15:51] <@davidb> Stevef: hi
- # [15:51] <@davidb> Stevef: what's up?
- # [15:52] <Stevef> is there a way to activate an accessible action via javascript?
- # [15:52] <@davidb> not directly
- # [15:52] <@davidb> it requires privileged access
- # [15:52] <Stevef> ok
- # [15:53] <@davidb> np
- # [15:53] <Stevef> looking at firefoxs implementaion of longdesc and wondered if it could be activated via jS
- # [15:53] <@davidb> i see
- # [15:53] <Stevef> but obvioulsy not
- # [15:53] <@davidb> Stevef: you could use js to pull the URL out and do stuff
- # [15:54] <@davidb> i think
- # [15:54] <Stevef> yeah but then you don't need longdesc which is the point i keep getting to
- # [15:54] <@davidb> document.open(elem.longdesc)
- # [15:54] <Stevef> yeah i have implemented that
- # [15:55] <@davidb> Stevef: are you writing a plugin or a bookmarklet or something? :)
- # [15:55] <@davidb> plugin/extension
- # [15:55] <Stevef> http://www.html5accessibility.com/CSUN12/longdescription.html
- # [15:55] <@davidb> err addon
- # [15:55] <@davidb> nice
- # [15:55] <@davidb> Stevef: this is great
- # [15:55] <Stevef> no I was looking at ways to leverage the acc implementaion in firefox
- # [15:56] <@davidb> ok
- # [15:56] <@davidb> Stevef: what end goal do you want?
- # [15:56] <Stevef> second example is cool except the issue with the custom menu items not showing up when the menu is displayed on keypress
- # [15:57] <Stevef> thinking about daria-describedat would like a way to activate an associated acc action via javascript
- # [15:57] <Stevef> is there a reason why acc actions cannot be exposed
- # [15:57] <@davidb> i see
- # [15:58] <Stevef> without some sort of useful implementation describedat will suffer same fate as longdesc i fear
- # [15:59] <Stevef> i think the most practical method is a link mechnaism that appears in the context menu when describedat is present
- # [16:00] <@davidb> ok
- # [16:00] <Stevef> I am working on speccing aria-describedat with rich and want to provide some advice on implementation that moves us forward
- # [16:00] <@davidb> Godo
- # [16:00] <@davidb> good
- # [16:01] <@davidb> Stevef: context menu item seems fine to me
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- # [16:01] <Stevef> so "is there a reason why acc actions cannot be exposed via javascript?
- # [16:01] <@davidb> Stevef: long story short: security
- # [16:01] <@davidb> etc.
- # [16:01] <@davidb> :)
- # [16:02] <Stevef> context bwould be fine when the keyboard access issues get ironed out, aslo means that an element must be focusable
- # [16:02] <@davidb> Stevef: what do you think about js accessibility API?
- # [16:02] <@tbsaunde> and they are exposed to browser js / addo on js
- # [16:02] <@davidb> tbsaunde: right
- # [16:02] <@davidb> hi tbsaunde!
- # [16:02] <Stevef> ok security understand
- # [16:02] <@davidb> tbsaunde: are you good for a phone call in 5?
- # [16:02] <@tbsaunde> davidb: hi, yup
- # [16:02] <Stevef> sounds good but would would it add/
- # [16:03] <@tbsaunde> davidb: Stevef it seems like for the problem you want to solve your writing an add on or browser UI so that should be good enough and we can avoid the a11y exposing to web discussion :)
- # [16:04] <@tbsaunde> Stevef: add what?
- # [16:04] <Stevef> re: Stevef: what do you think about js accessibility API? is that only available to addons tec?
- # [16:05] <@tbsaunde> ok
- # [16:05] <Stevef> well the lines between browser and web content are being blurred with the html5 context menu
- # [16:06] <Stevef> if acc actions could be activaed via custom context menu that would be enough
- # [16:06] <Stevef> possible?
- # [16:06] <@davidb> no
- # [16:08] <@MarcoZ> stevef: AccActions also only do stuff with regular conent, for example execute a click etc. It's a way for the screen reader to do stuff that it otherwise would need JS for.
- # [16:08] <Stevef> back to the drawing board
- # [16:08] <@MarcoZ> stevef: So there's really no need to do an AccAction, but simply do the stuff the accAction routine does.
- # [16:11] <Stevef> MarcoZ: with accAction I coulddo <img aria-describedAt="URL"> and open the URL (for example) otherwise i have to do <a href="URL"><img></a>
- # [16:11] <Stevef> MarcoZ: this is how Firefox's implementation of longdesc appears to work
- # [16:12] <@MarcoZ> stevef: The action would also just grab the URL from the attribute and make the browser open it.
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- # [17:14] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 607183 on bug 718627.
- # [17:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718627 nor, P1, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] Navigating by character, or interacting with, the text in the awesome bar does not speak the c
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- # [17:24] <@davidb> hub: woot
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- # [17:46] <@MarcoZ> Hub: Yay!
- # [17:47] * @MarcoZ reads the patch and really lifts his hat for hub. The code he's dealing with really seems messy in many places!
- # [17:48] <@eeejay> first gaia patch submitted:
- # [17:48] <@eeejay> https://github.com/andreasgal/gaia/pull/847
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- # [17:49] <@eeejay> bbiab
- # [17:49] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Geat about the patch! :)
- # [17:49] <@MarcoZ> s/geat/great/
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- # [18:15] <@hub> MarcoZ: there should be a build there: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/try-builds/hfiguiere@mozilla.com-b2a68954f2cc/
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- # [18:15] <@hub> MarcoZ: but it is likely not completely usable for you :-(
- # [18:15] <@MarcoZ> hub: I'll give it a whirl anyway!
- # [18:23] <@hub> ok, going to the office now. I'm late
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- # [18:29] <@davidb> eeejay: cool
- # [18:31] <@davidb> they won't like it being slow
- # [18:33] <@eeejay> davidb, yeah. discussing it with cgjones
- # [18:33] <@davidb> gr8
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- # [18:39] <@davidb> eeejay: are you have the core engine in b2g discussion as well?
- # [18:39] <@eeejay> davidb, what?
- # [18:39] <aaronlev> goddamn, git rebase -i doesn't like me
- # [18:39] <aaronlev> squash already
- # [18:39] <@davidb> eeejay: the role /accessible plays in b2g (or not)
- # [18:40] <@davidb> aaronlev: hee
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- # [18:46] <@tbsaunde> davidb: well, if it only slows down a mode they haven't had yet I doubt they terribly mind though I'd think we should able to do this almost exactly as fast as default colors
- # [18:47] <@davidb> there is that
- # [18:47] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net granted review for attachment 606919 on bug 407401.
- # [18:47] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407401 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, Remove namespaced ARIA support in feed parser
- # [18:47] <@tbsaunde> davidb: eeejay wouldn't it make more sense to do this with some sort of default css thing? (coming from a css nub)
- # [18:48] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, it is css. i am using a css filter function
- # [18:48] <@tbsaunde> davidb: unless b2g is going to be all canvas I'd think we really want to use the a11y stuff we already have
- # [18:48] <@davidb> tbsaunde: agreed, and that is what we agreed last week, but I'm curious to loop clones in
- # [18:48] <@davidb> cjones
- # [18:49] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: oh, ok, the svg confused me :)
- # [18:49] <@davidb> silly autocorrect
- # [18:49] <@tbsaunde> davidb: fair enough
- # [18:49] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, i played around with the conventional firefox preferences, of "don't use document colors", but there is hardly one app that works with it
- # [18:50] <@eeejay> when web apps are a mishmash of background images that are actually content, canvas, and other fancy things that setting just makes things worse
- # [18:50] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: if you care about perf we can probably talk to bz / dbaron and see if we can use faster css / make the css application faster
- # [18:51] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, doing it in css, and keeping it perfomant will be an uphill battle, since they need to optimize for all kinds of svg filters
- # [18:51] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, when all we really want is a simple xor color invert
- # [18:52] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, that should not affect performance, as you said
- # [18:52] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: yeah, I can believe that, but can you think of another reasonable way to do it?
- # [18:52] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, a pref flag
- # [18:53] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: do we really only want xor? that seems like the main use case, but not really knowing the problem space I'd want to support all sorts of custom filters
- # [18:54] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: and then have layout look at that and only support xor in c++? that sounds unfortunately inflexible
- # [18:54] <@tbsaunde> but its true it would be fast
- # [18:55] <@davidb> MarcoZ: can you easily create the next meeting agenda? i want to add something :)
- # [18:56] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Sure, a min.
- # [18:56] <@davidb> ty
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- # [18:56] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, i played a bit with the other video hacks for changing contrast in mac os x, and i don't think it is worth doing
- # [18:57] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, the way i see this feature being used, is having a quick toggle gesture so users could quickly invert the display when they are struggling to read something
- # [18:57] <@davidb> eeejay: ah cool, so it would revert on next login?
- # [18:57] <@davidb> or logout
- # [18:58] <@davidb> or whatever salient b2g mode makes sense
- # [18:58] <@MarcoZ> davidb: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Meetings/2012-03-21
- # [18:58] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: ok
- # [18:58] <@davidb> MarcoZ: much obliged sir
- # [18:58] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: I just remember having color shifts in some windows program that wasn't a straight inverse but worked better than the straight inverse
- # [18:58] <@MarcoZ> davidb: yw!
- # [19:00] <@eeejay> davidb, the way apple does it - which makes sense, is that users configure what triple home press does. either activate voiceover, invert video, or magnifier. So I am thinking we should have a similar easy gesture a user could bind to the invert function
- # [19:00] <@davidb> i love that idea
- # [19:00] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, ah, interesting
- # [19:01] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: on the other hand perhaps xor is popular enough handling it seperately makes sense
- # [19:01] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, if you can recall what kind of filter that was, point me to it
- # [19:02] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: man it was like 9 years ago, but I suspect it was zoom text with a mostly inverse, but a bit of a green shift
- # [19:03] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, oh yeah, i think i have seen that
- # [19:03] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, i should really look at what commercial magnifiers do
- # [19:03] <@tbsaunde> yeah, can't hurt
- # [19:04] * @MarcoZ loves that idea, too. If you buy a fresh iOS device, triple-home always turns on VoiceOver so you can set up the device without sighted assistance.
- # [19:04] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: I suspect getting some feedback from bz / dbaron is a good idea in any case
- # [19:05] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, agreed. the problem we are facing is not really knowing what kind of "home" button these devices would have yet. and that will violate one of my own design principles: rely on hardware that might not be there
- # [19:05] <@eeejay> but i guess we didn't set that in stone :)
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- # [19:07] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: I know. We're venturing into the wild with supported hardware like Android does.
- # [19:07] <@MarcoZ> hub: Great work! I can now interact with text and actually see what I type!
- # [19:08] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: yeah, that's a good goal, on the other hand its hard to assume nothing about your enviroment
- # [19:08] * @davidb -> https://wiki.mozilla.org/WeeklyUpdates
- # [19:09] <@tbsaunde> so i think it just comes down to better assumptions may lead to better code ;)
- # [19:09] * @davidb -> https://wiki.mozilla.org/WeeklyUpdates/2012-03-19
- # [19:09] <@hub> MarcoZ: awesome
- # [19:09] <Mark_Capella> davidb: ldap means I can do my try pushes now ... correct?
- # [19:10] <@hub> Mark_Capella: if you have a level 1, yes, definitely
- # [19:10] <@davidb> Mark_Capella: yes sir
- # [19:10] <@davidb> give it a whirl :)
- # [19:10] <Mark_Capella> :p just got it!
- # [19:10] <@davidb> we can take it away for the tongue
- # [19:10] <@davidb> :P
- # [19:10] <Mark_Capella> :(
- # [19:10] <@davidb> awww
- # [19:10] <Mark_Capella> :)
- # [19:10] <@davidb> not really
- # [19:11] <Mark_Capella> I thought the tongue meant me being my usual goofy ...
- # [19:11] <@davidb> i thought it was an albert einstein thing
- # [19:12] <@tbsaunde> davidb: meh, cutting off the tung solves that problem better
- # [19:12] <@davidb> heh
- # [19:12] <Mark_Capella> OH ! I remember that pic of einstein
- # [19:13] * @tbsaunde wonders if he can interest Mark_Capella in working on the tests for bug 686909
- # [19:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=686909 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, The system suffix is for system generated events only
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- # [19:14] <Mark_Capella> is always interested ... just finished a bug ... ready for more ... this one says Linux ... I do WIN7
- # [19:15] <@davidb> Mark_Capella: BTW, congratulations!
- # [19:16] <@davidb> on level 1
- # [19:16] <Mark_Capella> level 1? yah ... took a month !
- # [19:16] <@davidb> nice
- # [19:16] <Mark_Capella> Oh! Is Mr. Surkov around? I lost his attention over the weekend
- # [19:17] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: you can work on it on any platform
- # [19:17] <@tbsaunde> he was traveling, but probably around tonight our time
- # [19:17] <Mark_Capella> tbsaunde: I'll be grab for it then ... see if I'm up to it :)
- # [19:17] * @tbsaunde lols at "mr surkov"
- # [19:18] <@tbsaunde> I also find mr. Saunders odd when it refers to me so...
- # [19:18] <Mark_Capella> tbsaunde: that explains the quiet ... I'll be patient with'em "Mr. Alex"
- # [19:18] <Mark_Capella> <=== likes to be polite
- # [19:19] <@hub> Mark_Capella: we are usually on nickname basis ;-)
- # [19:19] <@hub> you can call me hub
- # [19:19] <@hub> :-)
- # [19:19] <Mark_Capella> cool ... call me mark
- # [19:19] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 737101 filed by jdiggs@igalia.com.
- # [19:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=737101 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Broken accessible hierarchy in Thunderbird Message Filters dialog
- # [19:21] <@tbsaunde> heh, I we usually call him just surkov or Alex :)
- # [19:22] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Status on bug 686909 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
- # [19:24] <Mark_Capella> says his bug squish count is now over 20 and rising
- # [19:26] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: thx :)
- # [19:27] <@davidb> I think seeing him online tonight is optimistic but maybe.
- # [19:37] <Mark_Capella> will wait for alex ... knew something was up, he's usually pretty fast on his replies
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- # [19:44] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: what are you waiting on surkov for?
- # [19:46] <Mark_Capella> clarification of direction on Bug 726071 - get rid nsAccUtils::GetPositionAndSizeForXULSelectControlItem mainly ... bug expanded scope ... i found a fix that he seems to indicate wont work :)
- # [19:46] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726071 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, get rid nsAccUtils::GetPositionAndSizeForXULSelectControlItem
- # [19:47] <Mark_Capella> simple feedback on Bug 735136 - get rid of nsHTMLSelectOptionAccessible::GetPositionAndSizeInternal
- # [19:47] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735136 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, get rid of nsHTMLSelectOptionAccessible::GetPositionAndSizeInternal
- # [19:49] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: ok, I can try and look soon
- # [19:49] <Mark_Capella> please! and thank you :)
- # [19:54] <@MarcoZ> OK, calling it a night. see you tomorrow!
- # [19:54] <@davidb> MarcoZ: ok catch you tomorrow :)
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- # [19:55] <@hub> davidb: he had a very long flight
- # [19:55] <@davidb> yeah
- # [19:55] <@hub> tbsaunde: so did you get on time?
- # [19:55] <@davidb> he sometimes take many days to recover
- # [19:55] <@hub> fog + fire + pilot missing = huge delaus in YYZ
- # [19:55] <@hub> s/delaus/delays/
- # [19:56] <@tbsaunde> hub: pretty close :)
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- # [19:57] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah, I might be being optimastic about when he gets back, call it hoping I don't have to cover too much for him :)
- # [20:00] <@davidb> wishful thinking
- # [20:01] <@hub> tbsaunde: ok, good.
- # [20:03] <rillian_lime> davidb: so I'm trying to get the screen reader on linux to read my video subtitles
- # [20:03] <rillian_lime> silvia suggested adding aria-live, so I have them in a div with aria-live=polite
- # [20:03] <rillian_lime> and the text shows in the accessibility tree in the Dom Inspector
- # [20:04] <rillian_lime> as a paragraph under a section
- # [20:04] <rillian_lime> but orca doesn't read the captions, it just makes occasional statements about the progress bar
- # [20:04] <rillian_lime> any suggestions?
- # [20:15] <@davidb> rillian_lime: I would find out what is expected by testing some examples like http://test.cita.illinois.edu/aria/live/index.php
- # [20:15] <@davidb> i'm not sure how to mute the progress updates
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- # [20:16] <@davidb> rillian_lime: you could also play with making the region assertive just to make sure it works
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- # [20:29] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 606876 on bug 735136.
- # [20:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735136 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, get rid of nsHTMLSelectOptionAccessible::GetPositionAndSizeInternal
- # [20:30] <@hub> askalski: so did customs harass you in Frankfurt?
- # [20:30] <@askalski> hub, ok
- # [20:30] <@askalski> no problems this time
- # [20:30] <@hub> awesone
- # [20:31] <rillian_lime> davidb: didn't appear to help. there are failed assertions in the accessibility code, so I can look at those
- # [20:32] <rillian_lime> also, those examples don't appear to work, even with voiceover in safari
- # [20:32] <rillian_lime> anyway, thanks for the pointers
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- # [20:34] <@davidb> askalski: graydon is on IRC if you want to connect
- # [20:34] <@davidb> also hi!
- # [20:34] <@davidb> again
- # [20:34] <@hub> he is a few desk behind me :-)
- # [20:35] <@davidb> i keep forgetting that :)
- # [20:39] <rillian_lime> ok, the third example actually interrupts
- # [20:42] <rillian_lime> ...but doesn't resume. Wow, this stuff doesn't work at all :(
- # [20:44] <@davidb> rillian_lime: try adding aria-atomic="true"
- # [20:44] * @davidb wishes this was simpler
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- # [21:21] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 737156 filed by dbolter@mozilla.com.
- # [21:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=737156 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Map role=note to IA2 role NOTE instead of SECTION
- # [21:25] <@davidb> ok gots to go
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- # [21:28] <@firebot> dao@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 407401 from --- to mozilla14.
- # [21:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407401 nor, --, mozilla14, markcapella, ASSI, Remove namespaced ARIA support in feed parser
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- # [21:49] <@eeejay> aaronlev, have you been working on speclenium tests? updating the suite?
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- # [22:00] <@eeejay> no space left on device
- # [22:00] <@eeejay> blah :(
- # [22:01] <aaronlev> eeejay: i put that to the side for now
- # [22:01] <aaronlev> i would not mind working on it
- # [22:02] <@eeejay> aaronlev, askalski is working on it too
- # [22:02] <@eeejay> aaronlev, just making sure we are not doing what you already did
- # [22:02] <aaronlev> cool
- # [22:04] <@askalski> eeejay, what I am working on that aaronlev is doing as well?
- # [22:04] <@askalski> we should synchronize on it
- # [22:04] <@eeejay> yep :)
- # [22:06] <aaronlev> well, i checked in my last changes, but i'd love to keep track of what you're doing
- # [22:06] <aaronlev> i didnt
- # [22:07] <aaronlev> i didn't get it working with chrome yet
- # [22:07] <aaronlev> askalski: how can i keep track of progress?
- # [22:11] <@askalski> aaronlev, what time zone are you?
- # [22:11] <@askalski> aaronlev, we could use for example git+wiki
- # [22:12] <aaronlev> i'm eastern time u.s.
- # [22:35] <@askalski> aaronlev, what do you think about getting git+wiki?
- # [22:39] <@askalski> ok, I am going to sleep now
- # [22:39] <@askalski> aaronlev, mail me please on git+wiki idea. askalski@mozilla.com
- # [22:39] <@askalski> see you everyone
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- # [22:39] <@hub> eeejay: btw, for b2g shall we start by getting gecko build with accessibility in?
- # [22:41] <@eeejay> hub, yeah, we should
- # [22:42] <@eeejay> hub, might be worth to have something to demonstrate on our end first
- # [22:43] <aaronlev> eeejay: what is askalski's real name?
- # [22:43] <aaronlev> !seen askalski
- # [22:43] <@firebot> askalski was last seen 3 minutes and 35 seconds ago, saying 'see you everyone' in #accessibility.
- # [22:43] <aaronlev> firebot: who is askalski
- # [22:43] <@firebot> aaronlev: Sorry, I've no idea what 'askalski' is.
- # [22:43] <@eeejay> aaronlev, Andrzej Skalski
- # [22:44] <@hub> eeejay: yeah but without that we can't do anything anyway
- # [22:44] <@eeejay> hub, with --enable-accessibility we can
- # [22:46] <@hub> exactly
- # [22:46] <@eeejay> hub, actually, i just see darwin blacklisted now. b2g might have a11y built
- # [22:46] * @eeejay checks
- # [22:47] <@hub> they don't disable in the mozconfig
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- # [22:48] <@eeejay> hub, looks like it is built
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- # [23:28] <@hub> hey surkov. welcome back
- # [23:28] <@surkov> hey, hub!
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