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  1. # Session Start: Wed Mar 21 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  7. # [00:19] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from roc@ocallahan.org for attachment 606926 on bug 727722.
  8. # [00:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727722 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Create an accessible for HTML table row by frame
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  13. # [00:42] <@firebot> roc@ocallahan.org granted review for attachment 606926 on bug 727722.
  14. # [00:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727722 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Create an accessible for HTML table row by frame
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  18. # [01:13] <@hub> I'm in the b2g call, fyi
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  23. # [01:19] <@davidb> hub: cool
  24. # [01:21] <@eeejay> hub, say hi from me. too deep in code
  25. # [01:25] <@hub> yeah I haven't had the mike
  26. # [01:25] <@hub> but they mentionned us since I put it up on the order paper
  27. # [01:27] <@hub> eeejay: no worries.
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  30. # [01:58] <@tbsaunde> surkov: hey, how do you feel about moving Shutdown() and IsDefunct() to nsAccessible? since we don't really use them for ISimpleDOMNode nsAccessNodes anyway it should change the way anything works I think
  31. # [01:59] <@tbsaunde> and we won't have these silly sections seperate for Shutdown()
  32. # [01:59] <@surkov> tbsaunde: Shutdown on nsAcessNode nulls mContent
  33. # [01:59] <@surkov> and so for IsDefunct
  34. # [01:59] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, but we only ever call it on accessibles
  35. # [01:59] <@tbsaunde> never things that are only accessNodes
  36. # [02:00] <@surkov> ok, but what's benefits
  37. # [02:00] <@surkov> having mContent on nsAccessNode and do mContent = nsnull on nsAccessible
  38. # [02:00] <@surkov> sort of strange
  39. # [02:00] <@surkov> I know you don't like nsAccessNode :)
  40. # [02:00] <@tbsaunde> mostly just instead of // nsAccessNode virtual void Shutdown(); \n\n // nsAccessible \n blah blah
  41. # [02:01] <@surkov> :)
  42. # [02:01] <@tbsaunde> we just have // nsAccessible \n virtual void Shutdown(); \n lbah blah
  43. # [02:02] <@surkov> that's nicer of course
  44. # [02:03] <@surkov> but I'd keep Shutdown() and IsDefunct work on mContent which is a part of nsAccessNode
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  46. # [02:04] <@surkov> maybe we could move nsAccessNode stuffs into msaa completely
  47. # [02:04] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, I'd like to do that I think
  48. # [02:04] <@davidb> hub: i can brief you on what to test regarding bug 629350 since you sit near ralph /cc surkov
  49. # [02:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=629350 enh, --, ---, giles, NEW, Implement the track element
  50. # [02:05] <@surkov> like make ISimpleDOMNode class and then inherit nsAccessibleWrap from it
  51. # [02:05] <@davidb> hub: or even better, to show him how to test :)
  52. # [02:05] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, or use tearoff to implement ISimpleDOMNode
  53. # [02:06] <@tbsaunde> but either way I think its easier to do by parts
  54. # [02:06] * @davidb needs to look up tearoffs
  55. # [02:06] <@surkov> maybe yes if that doesn't break existing ATs
  56. # [02:06] <@tbsaunde> we could actually make nsAccessible::Shutdown() set a bit in mFlags and then inline IsDefunct() as a check of that bit
  57. # [02:07] <@surkov> yep, we can do that
  58. # [02:08] <@tbsaunde> think that could be a good first bug to set the bit and make IsDefunct() inline?
  59. # [02:10] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ^
  60. # [02:11] <@davidb> tbsaunde: almost too easy
  61. # [02:12] <@davidb> :)
  62. # [02:12] <@hub> davidb: we made progress as we could start firefox with a11y on Linux
  63. # [02:12] <@surkov> tbsaunde: yep it could be
  64. # [02:12] <@hub> davidb: but he does not have a windoze box
  65. # [02:12] <@davidb> hub: oh, well you could use accerciser to check for events (or DOM Inspector as per surkov)
  66. # [02:12] <@hub> yeah
  67. # [02:13] <@hub> if I can build accerciser
  68. # [02:13] <@hub> last time I couldn't
  69. # [02:13] <@surkov> hub, use DOMi
  70. # [02:13] <@surkov> but make sure to build it
  71. # [02:13] <@hub> yeah I showed him DOMi
  72. # [02:13] <@hub> oh
  73. # [02:13] <@hub> I think we got it from AMO
  74. # [02:13] <@surkov> version on admo is absolette
  75. # [02:13] <@davidb> surkov: has an xpi kicking around
  76. # [02:13] <@surkov> it's not good for events
  77. # [02:13] <@hub> how do I build it?
  78. # [02:14] <@surkov> 1) get sources
  79. # [02:14] <@hub> ralph is gone anyway
  80. # [02:14] <@hub> for the day
  81. # [02:14] <@surkov> 2) copy them into extensions folder
  82. # [02:14] <@surkov> 3) add ac_add_options --enable-extensions=default,inspector to your mozconfig
  83. # [02:15] <@davidb> see also https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=469787#c3
  84. # [02:15] <@firebot> Bug 469787 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Inspector needs a build instructions README
  85. # [02:15] <@hub> oh., a bz.
  86. # [02:15] <@hub> ok
  87. # [02:16] <@davidb> but surkov is right.
  88. # [02:18] <@hub> k
  89. # [02:24] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 737724 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
  90. # [02:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=737724 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, make IsDefunct() inline
  91. # [02:24] <@davidb> tbsaunde: nice
  92. # [02:30] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah, looks like it gets rid of a bit of code as well as making us faster :)
  93. # [02:31] <@davidb> you know the way to my heart
  94. # [02:32] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled superreview?(neil@httl.net) for attachment 606361 on bug 648265.
  95. # [02:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=648265 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, provide dexcomed table interface version
  96. # [02:34] <@tbsaunde> surkov: are you interested in being more consistant bout when we have wrap classes?
  97. # [02:35] <@surkov> tbsaunde: not sure I follow, sorry
  98. # [02:36] <@tbsaunde> surkov: so, we have things like nsXULMenuAccessibleWrap, but no nsHTMLCheckboxAccessibleWrap
  99. # [02:36] <@surkov> and we need it?
  100. # [02:37] <@surkov> actually I don't like wrap classes at all
  101. # [02:37] <@surkov> one day they should go away
  102. # [02:37] <@tbsaunde> surkov: no, not really I'd be happy to get rid of nsXULMenuAccessibleWrap
  103. # [02:37] <@davidb> surkov: b2g :)
  104. # [02:37] <@tbsaunde> if we can, jsut pointing out its incosnistant :)
  105. # [02:38] <@surkov> ah
  106. # [02:38] <@tbsaunde> yeah, I'd probably agree with the possible exception of AccessibleWrap
  107. # [02:46] <@davidb> hub: i heard you karaoke'ed?
  108. # [02:46] <@hub> davidb: yep. so did Eitan
  109. # [02:46] <@davidb> nice
  110. # [02:46] <@hub> there is evidence
  111. # [02:46] <@davidb> oh!?
  112. # [02:46] <@hub> albeit I keep it secret
  113. # [02:46] <@davidb> hahah
  114. # [02:46] <@davidb> b-roll!
  115. # [02:46] <@hub> stills
  116. # [02:47] <@davidb> ah ok
  117. # [02:47] <@hub> and there was a person with a firefox button on her hat
  118. # [02:47] <@hub> I had my firefox t-shirt with the big logo
  119. # [02:47] <@hub> :-D
  120. # [02:47] <@davidb> :)
  121. # [02:48] <@davidb> surkov: I forgot all my Russian from Friday.
  122. # [02:48] <@surkov> damn :)
  123. # [02:49] <@davidb> К сожалению, я пока не говорю по-русски
  124. # [02:49] <@tbsaunde> well then :-P
  125. # [02:50] <@hub> I wonder what the screen reader just said
  126. # [02:50] <@davidb> hhaaha
  127. # [02:51] <@surkov> hm, I wonder whether google learned some russian
  128. # [02:52] <@tbsaunde> hub: letter 4a03 letter 3219 ...
  129. # [02:52] <@surkov> a little bit strange but anyway, much better than I saw before
  130. # [02:52] <@tbsaunde> err, letter 403a letter 3012 ...k
  131. # [02:52] <@hub> tbsaunde: ah. unicode
  132. # [02:52] <@tbsaunde> hub: yup
  133. # [02:57] <@davidb> zzzz
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  136. # [03:11] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 607832 on bug 706784.
  137. # [03:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=706784 cri, --, mozilla11, surkov.alexander, REOP, Firefox 8.0.1 Crash Report [@ nsLinkableAccessible::GetValue(nsAString_internal&) ] (mainly correlat
  138. # [03:20] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 606883 on bug 726005.
  139. # [03:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726005 nor, --, ---, jigneshhk1992, NEW, IDRefsIterator::Next() should use nsDocAccessible::GetAccessible()
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  142. # [03:36] <@hub> so do we have a test for HTML autocompletes?
  143. # [03:39] <@hub> I mean test case
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  146. # [04:22] <@tbsaunde> hub: I'm pretty sure we have a bunch in the tests, ask surkov for details
  147. # [04:23] <@surkov> hub, do you want an example?
  148. # [04:23] <@hub> surkov: so I can get it right, if you have one
  149. # [04:24] <@surkov> hub, check out events/test_focus_autocomplete.xul
  150. # [04:24] <@surkov> it has HTML and XUL autocompletes
  151. # [04:46] <@hub> ah ok
  152. # [04:46] <@hub> thanks
  153. # [04:47] <@firebot> ginn.chen@oracle.com denied review for attachment 606025 on bug 735921.
  154. # [04:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735921 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, kill nsAccessibleWrap::ShutdownAtkObject()
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  170. # [07:40] <@surkov> jhk: pong
  171. # [07:47] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 737765 filed by ginn.chen@oracle.com.
  172. # [07:47] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=737765 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, aLength is not used in insertTextCB()
  173. # [07:48] <@firebot> New Firefox - Disability Access bug 737766 filed by tim.miao@oracle.com.
  174. # [07:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=737766 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Firefox can't save the homepage.
  175. # [07:58] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 706511 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  176. # [07:58] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com set the Resolution field on bug 706511 to WORKSFORME.
  177. # [07:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=706511 maj, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Various dynamic elements of the Yahoo! Mail interface no longer get proper accessibility tree update
  178. # [07:59] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 737771 filed by ginn.chen@oracle.com.
  179. # [07:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=737771 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Set homepage through A11y API doesn't save
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  182. # [08:00] <@firebot> ginn.chen@oracle.com changed the Status on bug 737771 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  183. # [08:00] <@firebot> ginn.chen@oracle.com set the Resolution field on bug 737771 to DUPLICATE of bug 737766.
  184. # [08:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=737766 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Firefox can't save the homepage.
  185. # [08:11] <@MarcoZ> Good morning!
  186. # [08:25] <@tbsaunde> orning
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  193. # [09:22] <@firebot> scoobidiver@netcourrier.com set status-firefox11 to affected on bug 706784.
  194. # [09:23] <@firebot> scoobidiver@netcourrier.com set status-firefox13 to affected on bug 706784.
  195. # [09:23] <@firebot> scoobidiver@netcourrier.com set status-firefox12 to affected on bug 706784.
  196. # [09:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=706784 cri, --, mozilla11, surkov.alexander, REOP, Firefox 8.0.1 Crash Report [@ nsLinkableAccessible::GetValue(nsAString_internal&) ] (mainly correlat
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  207. # [11:21] <@askalski> hi everyone
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  210. # [11:45] <@askalski> eeejay, where from we did our selenium checkout?
  211. # [11:45] <@askalski> because I just forked your repository, and there are changes there, approx 3 months old by aaronlev
  212. # [11:45] <@askalski> several things just started working
  213. # [11:49] <@askalski> nope, false alarm. same errors as previously, just setting.ini was empty...
  214. # [11:54] <@MarcoZ> askalski: Hi! I believe eeejay is asleep. :)
  215. # [11:54] <@askalski> MarcoZ, always logged in :D?
  216. # [11:55] <@askalski> hi firebot
  217. # [11:55] <@firebot> askalski! dude!
  218. # [11:55] <@askalski> hi tbsaunde, surkov
  219. # [11:55] <@surkov> askalski: hi
  220. # [11:56] <@MarcoZ> askalski: Yes.
  221. # [11:56] <@askalski> MarcoZ, thanks.
  222. # [11:57] <@askalski> surkov, David told me yesterday to first get Eitans Speclenium works
  223. # [11:57] <@surkov> askalski: ok I'll talk to David
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  225. # [11:57] <@askalski> surkov, and mail Clint on their status
  226. # [11:57] <@askalski> surkov, before starting integrating
  227. # [11:58] <@surkov> askalski: sorry, what about Clint?
  228. # [11:59] <@askalski> surkov, David told me to ask them about their advance in works on mozbase, and when approximately we can integrate our tests into their framework
  229. # [12:00] <@surkov> sounds like a long way, I've got an impression that we shouldn't have any problems to fit mozbase to our needs
  230. # [12:04] <@askalski> surkov, ok. anyway, yesterday David was a bit in a hurry
  231. # [12:05] <@surkov> ok
  232. # [12:05] <@askalski> surkov, we were late with my 1:1, and he said two things I can't fit together. 1) do what you tell and 2) do selenium first
  233. # [12:05] <@askalski> surkov, so I guess you guys should talk to tell me what to do first :)
  234. # [12:05] <@surkov> I have a meeting with him tonight
  235. # [12:06] <@surkov> hope to see him before I go sleep :)
  236. # [12:06] <@askalski> surkov, anyway, now I will get some focus on selenium, to find out how eeejay worked with pyia, I will need to get this knowledge anyway
  237. # [12:06] <@surkov> sure
  238. # [12:06] <@askalski> surkov, great. you will be on team meeting in 4h 30 min ?
  239. # [12:06] <@surkov> not sure, after trip I'm much located in my time zone
  240. # [12:06] <@askalski> surkov, or 3h 30 min, timezones got desynchronized
  241. # [12:07] <@surkov> I wake up about 7 am, meeting is about 1am
  242. # [12:07] <@askalski> surkov, I fully understand. I was lying on bed for entire first day after I came back :D
  243. # [12:07] <@surkov> yep, that sounds familiar
  244. # [12:08] <@askalski> surkov, ordering chinese food and sleeping
  245. # [12:08] <@surkov> :)
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  249. # [13:01] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested feedback from surkov.alexander@ gmail.com for attachment 607911 on bug 686909.
  250. # [13:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=686909 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, The system suffix is for system generated events only
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  254. # [13:32] <@davidb> hi
  255. # [13:38] <@askalski> hi davidb
  256. # [13:38] <@davidb> hi!
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  270. # [14:45] <@davidb> askalski: have you managed to run speclenium yet?
  271. # [14:49] <@askalski> davidb, it runs on XP, now I debug it
  272. # [14:50] <@askalski> davidb, got some feeling how it works already, now I created some basic "dump memory" facility and debug tests
  273. # [14:50] <@davidb> askalski: good. What exactly are you creating?
  274. # [14:51] <@davidb> dump memory usage?
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  278. # [15:11] <@davidb> hi askalski, I was wondering what the 'dump memory' facility was all about
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  282. # [15:18] <@MarcoZ> Hi davidb, hub!
  283. # [15:19] <@davidb> hi hi hi hi hi hi
  284. # [15:20] <@hub> hi
  285. # [15:22] <@MarcoZ> Big chaos day over here today. It's move day for the GF, which originally was supposed to happen last week, but was postponed on short notice.
  286. # [15:23] <@MarcoZ> And now those guys drove the truck into the front garden, and the warden and police are telling them to leave that place and off-load in a different way. OMG...
  287. # [15:24] <@davidb> oh dear
  288. # [15:24] <@davidb> MarcoZ: will you be on the call in 15?
  289. # [15:24] <@MarcoZ> I'm not sure yet I can make the meeting.
  290. # [15:24] <@davidb> darn. ok.
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  292. # [15:26] <@MarcoZ> I'll most definitely try to make it happen!!!
  293. # [15:27] <@MarcoZ> davidb: But if we could postpone the 1:1 onto tomorrow, that would be appreciated. :)
  294. # [15:27] <@davidb> ok
  295. # [15:33] <@MarcoZ> OK, I'll make it to the meeting.
  296. # [15:37] <@hub> need to upgrade vidyo, again
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  300. # [15:39] <@davidb> askalski, surkov, tbsaunde meeting
  301. # [15:39] <@askalski> trying to connect
  302. # [15:42] <@davidb> askalski: can you mute?
  303. # [15:43] <@MarcoZ> askalski: That sounded adventurous.
  304. # [15:43] <@askalski> ok
  305. # [15:43] <@askalski> so
  306. # [15:43] <@askalski> no, that's a normal place!
  307. # [15:44] <@askalski> ok
  308. # [15:44] <@askalski> so
  309. # [15:44] <@askalski> I am working on speclenium
  310. # [15:44] <@hub> just shitty software :-/
  311. # [15:44] <@askalski> I got some debugging framework
  312. # [15:44] <@askalski> I will try to update the tests
  313. # [15:44] <@askalski> and then try to run it on other platforms
  314. # [15:44] <@askalski> unless davidb want's me to focus on MozBase instead
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  316. # [15:45] <@davidb> sorry i thought i was in channel - i was backchanneling by accident
  317. # [15:45] <@askalski> it works on XP
  318. # [15:46] <@askalski> other platforms need a debug
  319. # [15:46] <@askalski> a little
  320. # [15:46] <@askalski> :D
  321. # [15:46] <@askalski> because
  322. # [15:46] <@askalski> actually only thing I need to integrate with Mozbase
  323. # [15:46] <@askalski> is pyia library
  324. # [15:46] <@askalski> that is slightly smaller and less complicated than entire spelcenium
  325. # [15:47] <@askalski> so I can either focus on entire speclenium
  326. # [15:47] <@askalski> or just go with pyia in synchronization with Clint
  327. # [15:47] <@askalski> your call
  328. # [15:47] <@askalski> ok, so 1) MozBase 2) doing speclenium in spare time, right?
  329. # [15:48] <@askalski> OK. that's all for me :)
  330. # [15:48] <@askalski> I am not sure if it's selenium based
  331. # [15:48] <@askalski> but it certainly replaces it's functionality
  332. # [15:48] <@askalski> for Firefox at least
  333. # [15:48] <@askalski> so they cannot be used at the same time
  334. # [15:49] <@askalski> ok
  335. # [15:51] * @davidb is reminded of http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/19584943356/ive-got-ears-what-more-do-i-need
  336. # [15:51] <@askalski> who does a background noise?
  337. # [15:52] <@eeejay> i have been working to get the android a11y bits into shape for review, hacked a bit on b2g
  338. # [15:53] <@eeejay> made a tts module, needs more work
  339. # [15:53] <@davidb> nice
  340. # [15:57] <@MarcoZ> bug 735666
  341. # [15:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735666 cri, --, mozilla14, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, crash [@ nsIDocument::GetContainer() ]
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  343. # [15:58] <@hub> sorry, nancy is bugging me out of your sight
  344. # [15:59] <@davidb> :)
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  346. # [16:02] <@davidb> eeejay: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Planning/Goals#Draft_Q2_2012_Goals
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  348. # [16:05] <@askalski> I know what to do :)
  349. # [16:05] <@askalski> apologies for the noise again
  350. # [16:05] <@askalski> c'ya
  351. # [16:06] <@davidb> yeah
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  353. # [16:06] <@davidb> technology
  354. # [16:06] <@davidb> surkov: we missed ya.
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  362. # [17:04] <@davidb> MarcoZ: what is the most accessible shared online document technology?
  363. # [17:08] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com cancelled feedback?(surkov.alexander@ gmail.com) for attachment 607911 on bug 686909.
  364. # [17:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=686909 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, The system suffix is for system generated events only
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  372. # [17:45] <@davidb> interesting https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Marionette
  373. # [17:46] <@hub> this is what they use for b2g
  374. # [17:46] <@davidb> yeah
  375. # [17:46] <@davidb> well soon
  376. # [17:57] <@MarcoZ> davidb: To my knowledge, there currently is *no* accessible online shared document technology.
  377. # [17:57] <@davidb> MarcoZ: ok, i guess maybe wiki
  378. # [17:57] <@davidb> which isn't live editing i know
  379. # [17:57] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Oh I was thinking of documents like in MS Word etc. If you expand that, yes, Wikis are the most accessible.
  380. # [17:58] <@davidb> ok
  381. # [17:58] <@MarcoZ> Etherpads, Google Docs, and others, they all are severely inacccessible.
  382. # [17:59] <@davidb> man, if i had all the time.
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  384. # [17:59] <@davidb> ok i better eat before my 1pm
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  387. # [18:20] <@hub> MarcoZ: have you even tried SubEtheaEdit on Mac? it is not web based but it allows simultaneous editing. Mac only though
  388. # [18:20] <@hub> MarcoZ: that: http://www.codingmonkeys.de/subethaedit/
  389. # [18:20] <@hub> not sure how accessible the app is, though
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  394. # [18:32] <@askalski> davidb, -> email
  395. # [18:32] <@davidb> askalski: will check soon - on a call
  396. # [18:32] <@askalski> davidb, ok
  397. # [18:37] <@davidb> MarcoZ: what was that windows regression that inspired our focus on automated platform testing again?
  398. # [18:37] <@davidb> askalski: ^
  399. # [18:38] <@askalski> davidb, regression? The only issue with windows I remember is that speclenium didn't work on any x64
  400. # [18:38] <@davidb> there was an embarrassing regression
  401. # [18:39] <@davidb> i think related to popup children or something
  402. # [18:39] <@askalski> davidb, someone from a-team got the answer in one sentence: mochitests do test internal APIs. MozBase tests can test for example interactions from clients point of view
  403. # [18:39] <@askalski> davidb, so external use of our interface
  404. # [18:39] <@davidb> right
  405. # [18:40] <@davidb> askalski: i thought you were asking more specifically what we want to test
  406. # [18:40] <@askalski> davidb, anyway, I need to gather some targets and write them down on my wallpaper :)
  407. # [18:40] <@davidb> basically we want to get close to the AT side
  408. # [18:40] <@tbsaunde> davidb: it had to do with relations and using the wrong QI (xpcom instead of mscom or the other way around)
  409. # [18:40] <@davidb> yeah
  410. # [18:40] <@askalski> davidb, I will be this specific once I get the framework working on simple cases
  411. # [18:40] * @davidb still on a call
  412. # [18:40] <@davidb> tbsaunde: right
  413. # [18:41] <@askalski> davidb, so you can just cc-me to bugs (regressions) and add a posts "do test for that" at some point
  414. # [18:41] <@davidb> right
  415. # [18:41] <@davidb> let's use the whiteboard so it is searchable
  416. # [18:41] <@davidb> (as well)
  417. # [18:42] <@tbsaunde> davidb: we also had a atk regression from the relations stuff but we caught that one (we'd return relation objects with no targets)
  418. # [18:42] <@davidb> we need to have a high altitude discussion of what we should cover
  419. # [18:42] <@davidb> ahem
  420. # [18:42] <@tbsaunde> we usually do tests sync with fixes do we want to change that in this case?
  421. # [18:43] <@davidb> can someone add that to the agenda for next week in case we don't get to it sooner?
  422. # [18:43] <@davidb> tbsaunde: that might be fine. but we should touch base on it.
  423. # [18:43] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah,
  424. # [18:44] <@davidb> we probably want to reach our to AT devs about related regressions in their bug databases
  425. # [18:44] <@davidb> etc
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  427. # [18:45] <@askalski> yeah, I should have posted these questions like 8 hours earlier :d
  428. # [18:46] <@davidb> heh no worries
  429. # [18:46] <fxa90id> hi
  430. # [18:46] <@davidb> hi
  431. # [18:46] * @davidb still on phone
  432. # [18:48] <@MarcoZ> hub: That app is *very* accessible.
  433. # [18:49] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I believe it was the hittesting bug that was introduced by Hub's refactor, bug 672504 or so.
  434. # [18:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672504 nor, --, mozilla13, hub, RESO FIXED, Don't keep pointer to weak presshell in accessible
  435. # [18:49] <@hub> ah yeah that hit testing
  436. # [18:49] <@davidb> that too
  437. # [18:49] <@hub> so, bug 729006 that goes with it
  438. # [18:49] <@hub> (assigned to me)
  439. # [18:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=729006 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Cleanup hit test
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  442. # [18:54] <@MarcoZ> OK guys, I'll be off for the evening.
  443. # [18:55] <@MarcoZ> See you all tomorrow!
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  445. # [19:04] <@davidb> hub: that's good news about subethaedit
  446. # [19:07] <@davidb> is it cross platform?
  447. # [19:08] <@davidb> oh looks mac only
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  449. # [19:12] <@hub> davidb: I said Mac only
  450. # [19:12] <@hub> which is a shame
  451. # [19:12] <@davidb> yeah
  452. # [19:12] <@hub> :-(
  453. # [19:12] <@hub> there is Gobby
  454. # [19:12] <@hub> http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/
  455. # [19:13] <@hub> albeit I don't know how accessible
  456. # [19:13] <@hub> the fact that it uses Gtk might not be good news
  457. # [19:13] <@davidb> i was on that page :)
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  460. # [19:21] <@davidb> hub: ping
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  462. # [19:37] <@hub> is there a way to load a xul file in firefox, explicitely
  463. # [19:37] <@hub> it seems that our sample for "autocomplete" is only a xul
  464. # [19:37] <@hub> :-/
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  467. # [20:10] <@tbsaunde> hub: chrome:// is probably the easiest you might need domi to do that though
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  476. # [21:40] <@hub> oh snap. this is just a can of worm I open
  477. # [21:44] <@davidb> yeah I wish they labelled those cans more clearly
  478. # [21:45] <@hub> it is label Mac Univeral Access API. There is a best before date, in the past
  479. # [21:46] <@hub> there is also a warning label saying "proceed with caution, hazardous material. Can cause sanity loss and brain trauma."
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  481. # [21:50] <@davidb> heehee
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  483. # [21:53] <@hub> when I tried to open a .xul with chrome:// it says "Remote XUL" and tells me it is unsupported
  484. # [21:59] <@davidb> oh yeah i've hit that
  485. # [22:00] * @davidb scratches his memory skull
  486. # [22:00] <@davidb> hub: maybe this but maybe not https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/remote-xul-manager/
  487. # [22:07] <@hub> yeah I got a link to mdn on #developers
  488. # [22:07] <@hub> :-)
  489. # [22:07] <@hub> thanks
  490. # [22:10] <@davidb> good good
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  493. # [22:23] <fxa90id> :)
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  506. # [23:32] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com cancelled review?(surkov.alexander@gm ail.com) for attachment 607734 on bug 718627.
  507. # [23:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718627 nor, P1, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] Navigating by character, or interacting with, the text in the awesome bar does not speak the c
  508. # [23:32] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 608114 on bug 718627.
  509. # [23:34] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 608115 on bug 718627.
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