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- # Session Start: Mon Apr 02 00:00:00 2012
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [01:53] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 611311 on bug 735645.
- # [01:53] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735645 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, expose sub and sup elements in text attributes
- # [02:18] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 611312 on bug 723424.
- # [02:18] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested feedback from surkov.alexander@gmail.com for attachment 611312 on bug 723424.
- # [02:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723424 nor, --, ---, orangedaylily, NEW, dexpcom GetUnignoredParent()
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- # [03:27] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 611335 on bug 735645.
- # [03:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735645 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, expose sub and sup elements in text attributes
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- # [04:37] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted feedback for attachment 611312 on bug 723424.
- # [04:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723424 nor, --, ---, orangedaylily, NEW, dexpcom GetUnignoredParent()
- # [05:36] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 611284 on bug 739253.
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- # [05:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739253 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, optimize AccEvent::GetDocAccessible
- # [05:50] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 611249 on bug 737379.
- # [05:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=737379 tri, --, ---, junky.argonaut, NEW, change Comments to roles::ROLENAME
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- # [06:33] <@tbsaunde> surkov: hi
- # [06:34] <@surkov> hi, tbsaunde
- # [06:39] <@tbsaunde> surkov: look at the windows crash more?
- # [06:39] <@surkov> not yet
- # [06:39] <@surkov> did you?
- # [06:41] <@tbsaunde> not other than my one comment it might be similar to the linux one
- # [06:53] <@surkov> tbsaunde: maybe we can do partial back out?
- # [07:01] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 611335 on bug 735645.
- # [07:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735645 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, expose sub and sup elements in text attributes
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- # [07:08] <@tbsaunde> surkov: of which part?
- # [07:09] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I thought about getting back IsDefunct to document and trees
- # [07:09] <@surkov> tbsaunde: but I think we should try your idea first of all
- # [07:09] <@surkov> tbsaunde: how do you feel to mark that accessible as defunct?
- # [07:09] <@surkov> at creation time
- # [07:09] <@surkov> that'll be equivalent to old code
- # [07:11] <@tbsaunde> surkov: which? hte nsHTMLObjectwin32 thing?
- # [07:11] <@surkov> yes
- # [07:11] <@tbsaunde> sure I thought of that, hacky, but if you want to push making it eDfunct in the constructor r=me as a temporary thing
- # [07:16] <@surkov> ok
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- # [07:19] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 611349 on bug 740958.
- # [07:19] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 740958 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
- # [07:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740958 cri, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, crash in nsAccessible::GetBounds
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- # [07:25] <@tbsaunde> surkov: so, I assume you couldn't reproduce?
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- # [07:26] <@surkov> tbsaunde: yes, I didn't reproduced, not these crashes are about UIA that I don't know under which circumstances are running
- # [07:26] <@tbsaunde> surkov: oh, it involves uia interesting
- # [07:27] <@tbsaunde> have you seen uia stuff before, or does it seem like more people are starting to use uia?
- # [07:27] <@surkov> tbsaunde: MS considers UIA as electronic curb cut
- # [07:27] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 611349 on bug 740958.
- # [07:28] <@surkov> so they tend to use if for everything
- # [07:29] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok
- # [07:30] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 610853 on bug 739524.
- # [07:30] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739524 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, replace TreeViewChanged DOM event on direct call from XUL tree
- # [07:31] <@tbsaunde> surkov: should we do telemetry for uia?
- # [07:31] <@surkov> tbsaunde: yes
- # [07:33] <@surkov> tbsaunde: wanna file a bug (uiautomationcore.dll)
- # [07:36] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok
- # [07:37] <@surkov> thx!
- # [07:38] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I see you've got an agreement on bugs with those university guys
- # [07:39] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 611350 on bug 739524.
- # [07:41] <@tbsaunde> surkov: seems so :)
- # [07:41] <@surkov> cool
- # [07:45] <@firebot> orangedaylily@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 611354 on bug 723424.
- # [07:45] <@firebot> orangedaylily@gmail.com requested feedback from surkov.alexander@ gmail.com for attachment 611354 on bug 723424.
- # [07:45] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723424 nor, --, ---, orangedaylily, NEW, dexpcom GetUnignoredParent()
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- # [07:47] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 611354 on bug 723424.
- # [07:47] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted feedback for attachment 611354 on bug 723424.
- # [07:50] <@tbsaunde> surkov: there's now a released domi that's recent right?
- # [07:50] <@surkov> tbsaunde: yep, several days ago
- # [08:06] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 611039 on bug 718627.
- # [08:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718627 nor, P1, ---, hub, ASSI, [Mac] Navigating by character, or interacting with, the text in the awesome bar does not speak the c
- # [08:08] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 611045 on bug 718627.
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- # [08:14] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 737379 from --- to mozilla14.
- # [08:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=737379 tri, --, mozilla14, junky.argonaut, NEW, change Comments to roles::ROLENAME
- # [08:15] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 739193 from --- to mozilla14.
- # [08:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739193 nor, --, mozilla14, maxli, NEW, nsTextEquivUtils::AppendTextEquivFromContent shouldn't use GetAccService()->GetAccessible
- # [08:15] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 739253 from --- to mozilla14.
- # [08:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739253 nor, --, mozilla14, nickyekaiqi, NEW, optimize AccEvent::GetDocAccessible
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- # [08:47] <@tbsaunde> surkov: is there are reason we do all these crazy things in nsAccessibilityService instead of define a GetDocAccessible() taking a presShell?
- # [08:47] <@surkov> tbsaunde: there's a bug on this
- # [08:50] <@tbsaunde> oh :)
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- # [08:54] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 611350 on bug 739524.
- # [08:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739524 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, replace TreeViewChanged DOM event on direct call from XUL tree
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- # [09:03] <@firebot> orangedaylily@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 611368 on bug 723427.
- # [09:03] <@firebot> orangedaylily@gmail.com requested feedback from surkov.alexander@ gmail.com for attachment 611368 on bug 723427.
- # [09:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723427 nor, --, ---, orangedaylily, NEW, dexpcom GetUnignoredChildren()
- # [09:41] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 611367 on bug 652635.
- # [09:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652635 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, Fallback missing @longdesc to aria-describedby pointing to <a href>
- # [09:45] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted feedback for attachment 611368 on bug 723427.
- # [09:45] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723427 nor, --, ---, orangedaylily, NEW, dexpcom GetUnignoredChildren()
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- # [10:13] <@firebot> orangedaylily@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 611368 on bug 723427.
- # [10:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723427 nor, --, ---, orangedaylily, NEW, dexpcom GetUnignoredChildren()
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- # [10:24] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org denied feedback for attachment 611270 on bug 670853.
- # [10:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=670853 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, undetermined progressmeters should expose mixed state
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- # [11:15] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 611367 on bug 652635.
- # [11:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652635 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, Fallback missing @longdesc to aria-describedby pointing to <a href>
- # [11:23] <Mark_Capella> tbsaunde: do you see many more revisions in the future for Bug 652635 - Fallback missing @longdesc ?
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- # [11:32] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: I don't think so most of those nits were pretty minor
- # [11:32] <Mark_Capella> coool B)
- # [11:33] <Mark_Capella> i want to start looking at a few new ones ... wondered how long to plan for this one
- # [11:34] <@tbsaunde> I'd think you could fairly quickly fix my nits and it'll be good :)
- # [11:37] <Mark_Capella> k - started playing with Bug 636945 - add downcasting for nsRootAccessible and got a
- # [11:37] <Mark_Capella> cannot convert from 'nsQueryObject<T>' to 'nsXULTreeAccessible*'
- # [11:37] <Mark_Capella> during build in nsRootAccessible.cpp ... lemme puruse that for a bit then ill get back to this
- # [11:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=636945 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, add downcasting for nsRootAccessible
- # [11:38] <Mark_Capella> wrong bug Bug 740725 - Add down-casting to nsXULTreeAccessible
- # [11:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740725 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, Add down-casting to nsXULTreeAccessible
- # [11:40] <@tbsaunde> ok
- # [11:41] <@tbsaunde> I'm not sure if you want help with that or not...
- # [11:47] <@tbsaunde> surkov: were you going to comment in bug 740958?
- # [11:47] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740958 cri, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, crash in nsAccessible::GetBounds
- # [11:47] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I landed it on central
- # [11:47] <Mark_Capella> tbsaunde: Instead of longDesc how about longDescURI ?
- # [11:48] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I saw :)
- # [11:48] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 740958 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
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- # [11:48] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 740958 to FIXED.
- # [11:48] <@tbsaunde> hopefully it makes the nightly :)
- # [11:48] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 740958 from --- to mozilla14.
- # [11:48] <@surkov> tbsaunde: ok, done :)
- # [11:49] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested feedback from trev.saunders@gma il.com for attachment 598787 on bug 726283.
- # [11:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726283 nor, --, ---, jigneshhk1992, ASSI, consider using NS_GetContentList() directly in nsHTMLRadioButtonAccessible::GetPositionAndSizeIntern
- # [12:07] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: actually, I found a bit of a bug in your last patch for bug 652635
- # [12:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652635 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, Fallback missing @longdesc to aria-describedby pointing to <a href>
- # [12:07] <Mark_Capella> k - lemme look....
- # [12:07] <@tbsaunde> if the element has longdesc set then you return the element, but when you get the uri to open you get the href attributes value
- # [12:08] <@tbsaunde> so, consider <img href="#blah" longdesc="#bar" src="foo.png">
- # [12:10] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: you should probably change LongDesc() to LongDescURI(nsAstring&)
- # [12:11] <@tbsaunde> and just return the uri to open or the empty string if none
- # [12:17] <Mark_Capella> ok - we've changed names around a lot between the three of us ... currently when you say LongDesc() I think you mean here
- # [12:17] <Mark_Capella> nsGenericHTMLElement*
- # [12:17] <Mark_Capella> nsHTMLImageAccessible::LongDescElement() ?
- # [12:20] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: yes
- # [12:20] <Mark_Capella> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1550489
- # [12:20] <Mark_Capella> Maybe easier to see where we are than a DIFF thats been changed so much
- # [12:29] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: yeah, I'm pretty sure that does the wrong thing for <img href="#foo" longdesc="#bar"> specifically it'll open what href points to not longdesc
- # [12:31] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: I'd say fix by making nsHTMLImageAccessible::LongDesc() get the string uri to open
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- # [12:46] <Mark_Capella> lemme review ... change nsGenericHTMLElement* nsHTMLImageAccessible::LongDescElement() to be
- # [12:46] <Mark_Capella> nsHTMLImageAccessible::LongDesc(nsAutoString), no longer return nsGenericHTMLElement* ...
- # [12:46] <Mark_Capella> I'd have to have two of the three callers of the function define storage that they won't use
- # [12:48] <@tbsaunde> ok, so have it return a bool if it found something, and take a pointer to a string which can be null
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- # [12:51] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: if you can think of something better that's cool too
- # [12:53] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: so, one laternative would be for LongDesc() to take a pointer to a bool to set to wich attribute href or longdesc should be used with the returned element
- # [12:54] <Mark_Capella> or false if none
- # [12:55] <Mark_Capella> wait i didnt say that right :)
- # [12:58] <Mark_Capella> im trying to remember the original request ... the order of precedence based on which information is available
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- # [13:03] <Mark_Capella> tbsaunde: also there are several references to kNameSpaceID_None, did you want me to use kNameSpaceID_XHTML in just
- # [13:03] <Mark_Capella> the one you pointed out or in all cases?
- # [13:04] <@tbsaunde> just that one
- # [13:06] <Mark_Capella> tbsaunde: so im with you up to the last item ... the wrong thing for <img href="#foo" longdesc="#bar">
- # [13:06] <Mark_Capella> this was correct before we started this bug though ... yes?
- # [13:10] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: yes
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- # [13:40] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 741342 filed by hsivonen@iki.fi.
- # [13:40] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741342 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Inline text input by voice not supported
- # [13:40] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 739524 from --- to mozilla14.
- # [13:40] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739524 nor, --, mozilla14, markcapella, ASSI, replace TreeViewChanged DOM event on direct call from XUL tree
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- # [13:45] <paul> surkov: ping?
- # [13:45] <@surkov> paul: pong
- # [13:46] <paul> surkov: Hi! I need some help for bug 736418
- # [13:46] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736418 nor, --, ---, paul, REOP, Hide the "Inspect" button from screen readers
- # [13:46] <paul> surkov: we have this "Inspect" button for the DevTools Page Inspector
- # [13:46] <@surkov> ok
- # [13:46] <paul> and I don't know what we should do
- # [13:47] <@surkov> iirc we didn't reach an agreement in that bug
- # [13:47] <paul> no - we didn't
- # [13:47] <@surkov> but it seems people are fine to hide that button
- # [13:47] <paul> I just don't know :)
- # [13:47] <@surkov> I think that's not very correct but
- # [13:47] <paul> Honnestly, it's technicaly easier to keep it accessible
- # [13:47] <@surkov> where can I see that button?
- # [13:48] <paul> surkov: nightly build, right click on an element, "Inspect Element"
- # [13:48] <paul> surkov: also, I don't know if this button should be "focusable"
- # [13:49] <@surkov> if it's supposed to be exposed to AT then yes
- # [13:49] <@surkov> not sure about tabbable
- # [13:49] <paul> AT ?
- # [13:50] <@surkov> assistive technologies like screen readers
- # [13:50] <paul> ok
- # [13:50] <@surkov> what's an alternative of inspect button?
- # [13:51] <paul> inspect button implies using the mouse. without the mouse, the inspect button is useless
- # [13:51] <paul> the breadcrumbs display, on the right of the HTML button
- # [13:52] <@surkov> btw, screen readers still can click
- # [13:52] <@surkov> what is breadcrumbs display?
- # [13:52] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 741344 filed by hsivonen@iki.fi.
- # [13:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741344 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Phantom menu bar obscures the first tab when controlling Firefox using voice on Windows 7
- # [13:52] <paul> it's the list of nodes you see next to the HTML button
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- # [13:56] <paul> surkov: would it be wrong the make this Inspect button focusable and tabbable?
- # [13:56] <@surkov> ok, paul, anyway there are users who use screen magnifiers and they use a mouse, hiding an inspect button for them doesn't look correct
- # [13:56] <paul> ok
- # [13:56] <@surkov> paul: it sounds it should be consistent to breadcrumbs buttons
- # [13:57] <@surkov> if it'll be tabbable then it's great
- # [13:57] <paul> what I want to do, personnaly, is to make this button behave like any other button
- # [13:57] <@surkov> I think that's ok
- # [13:58] <@surkov> at least I don't see a reason why it must be different :)
- # [13:58] <paul> surkov: cool :)
- # [13:58] <paul> surkov: can I ask you to comment here 736418 and here 735214 ?
- # [13:59] <paul> surkov: 736418 is about the label, 735214 is about making the button tabbable and focusable (see comment 7)
- # [13:59] <@surkov> sure
- # [14:00] <paul> thank you
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- # [14:23] <@MarcoZ> Hi all!
- # [14:23] <@tbsaunde> mjorning
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- # [15:08] <@davidb> hi all!
- # [15:09] <jhk> hi davidb
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- # [15:09] <@davidb> hi!
- # [15:13] <jhk> surkov: ping
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- # [15:20] <jhk> davidb: Just a few doubts around head.
- # [15:21] <jhk> davidb : To make Listbox accessible via nsAccessibleEx on which object we will implement UIA interfaces. which one is right candidate *ListBoxAccessiblewrap or nsAccessibleWrap?
- # [15:22] <@davidb> no idea :)
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- # [15:22] <@davidb> gotta reboot
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- # [15:23] <icaaq1> Survey of Accessibility Advocates - http://goo.gl/hHKUv :)
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- # [15:35] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested feedback from trev.saunders@gma il.com for attachment 611435 on bug 652635.
- # [15:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652635 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, Fallback missing @longdesc to aria-describedby pointing to <a href>
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- # [15:37] <@tbsaunde> jhk: what are you doing with uia? I thought you used linux?
- # [15:37] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Component on bug 741342 from Disability Access APIs to Widget: Win32.
- # [15:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741342 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Inline text input by voice not supported
- # [15:38] <jhk> tbsaunde: yes, but now changed ... took 3 hrs to fresh compile...
- # [15:39] <@tbsaunde> jhk: ok, so what's up with uia?
- # [15:39] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: if you want a quick answer you'd be better off getting surkov to look
- # [15:40] <jhk> tbsaunde : I am going to work on implementation of UIA this summer :)
- # [15:40] <@MarcoZ> jhk: Very cool!
- # [15:41] <@tbsaunde> jhk: oic
- # [15:41] <Mark_Capella> tbsaunde: ah ok ! Hey? We didn't have a test in place for this to begin with did we? We need to add one?
- # [15:41] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: no, I don't think it was tested
- # [15:42] <@tbsaunde> it'd be nice if you wrote a test that worked, but iirc I tried a while back but didn't have much luck
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- # [15:42] <jhk> MarkoZ: yeah:)
- # [15:42] <@tbsaunde> jhk: so, what is your question about uia?
- # [15:42] <Mark_Capella> surkov: can you look at bug652635? It's flagged for tbsaunde right now
- # [15:42] <Mark_Capella> but I can wait in either case
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- # [15:44] <jhk> tbsaunde: so spec says we need to implement UIA interfaces in individual objects. AFIK all objects inherits nsAccessibleWrap . right? so which one is the better to go
- # [15:45] <jhk> for example To make Listbox accessible via nsAccessibleEx on which object we will implement UIA interfaces.(1) In *ListBoxAccessiblewrap or nsAccessibleWrap?
- # [15:46] <jhk> tbsaunde : we will need UIAutomationCore.dll for that.
- # [15:46] <@tbsaunde> nsAccessibleEx???
- # [15:47] <jhk> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd561900(v=vs.85).aspx
- # [15:47] <jhk> tbsaunde: ^
- # [15:48] <@tbsaunde> jhk: well, not quiet all, we create nsAccessNodeWraps sometimes for things just for ISimpleDOM, but I'm not sure if we need to care about that
- # [15:49] <@tbsaunde> also hopefully soon that won't be true and ISimpleDOMNode will be seperate from normal accessibles
- # [15:50] <jhk> tbsaunde : ok so *ListBoxAccessiblewrap is the right candidate? then it will implement all the three IServiceProvider, IAccessibleEx, IRawElementProviderSimple.
- # [15:52] <@tbsaunde> jhk: so, II'm not sure if you want to take the IAccessibleEx path or if you just want to implement a uia server using IRawFragment or whatever it is
- # [15:52] <@MarcoZ> jhk, tbsaunde, a hunch tells me that we should be careful in mixing MSAA/IA2 and UIA. UIA is not built on MSAA, so we may actually want to evaluate if we create a completely separate wrapper for it which does not carry around all the MSAA stuff.
- # [15:52] <@tbsaunde> jhk: iirc all accessible objects alread implemnt IServiceProvider
- # [15:54] <@tbsaunde> ideally we'd have seperate wrapper objects on windows and one of the types of wrappers would implement IListBoxElement and when we needed the platform object ofr an accessible list box we'd create one of those.
- # [15:55] <@tbsaunde> MarcoZ: well, so it isn't but it sort is (see what IAccessibleEx is)
- # [15:55] <@tbsaunde> *sort of is
- # [15:56] <jhk> tbsaunde: its because nsAccessibleWrap.
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- # [15:57] <@tbsaunde> jhk: I don't follow
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- # [16:04] <jhk> tbsaunde: err nsAccessNodeWrap
- # [16:05] <@tbsaunde> jhk: what is because of that?
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- # [16:06] <@davidb|mtg> MarcoZ: ready when you are
- # [16:06] <fxa90id> ;(
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- # [16:09] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I'd prefer to not take bug 741053 if someone else has cycels
- # [16:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741053 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in nsIDocument::GetRootElement
- # [16:10] <jhk> tbsaunde : that is the only one seems to implement(QueryService)?
- # [16:10] <@surkov> tbsaunde: ok, I can do that
- # [16:13] <@tbsaunde> surkov: sounds great
- # [16:14] <@surkov> tbsaunde: not for me :)
- # [16:14] <@tbsaunde> jhk: directly, other things inherit it
- # [16:14] <@tbsaunde> surkov: :(
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- # [16:15] <@tbsaunde> but you do wnat me to finish school right? ;)
- # [16:16] <@surkov> tbsaunde: you know I tried to try nightly on my tablet pc, after several minutes I started to crash permanently. I switched to aurora maybe for half an hour, the same reason. I'm on beta :)
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- # [16:18] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok?
- # [16:19] <@surkov> tbsaunde: sure :)
- # [16:20] <@tbsaunde> surkov: was just a little confused why you were telling me inarticular
- # [16:20] <@surkov> tbsaunde: just thinking aloud how crashes are bad :)
- # [16:21] <@tbsaunde> surkov: oh, yeah
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- # [16:29] <jhk> tbsaunde, surkov : http://www.code-magazine.com/article.aspx?quickid=0810072&page=1 step 1.
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- # [16:30] <@surkov> yep, I saw similar things on the web
- # [16:31] <@davidb> why was fxa90id sad face?
- # [16:35] <jhk> tbsaunde: we will implement for simple UI Automation, in case of complex tree structure *fragment and other interfaces will come into picture
- # [16:35] <@tbsaunde> davidb: unclear
- # [16:36] <@tbsaunde> jhk: not sure what you mean by 'for simple ui automation"
- # [16:37] <@tbsaunde> jhk: you will clearly have to implent IRwaFragmentSimple if you don't want to implement the one windows gets when it calls GetObjectFromWIndow
- # [16:37] <@tbsaunde> IRawRootFragment iirc
- # [16:38] <jhk> tbsaunde: oic
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- # [16:50] <@davidb> tbsaunde: are you taking bug 741053?
- # [16:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741053 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in nsIDocument::GetRootElement
- # [16:51] <@tbsaunde> davidb: no, see scroll back surkov is
- # [16:51] <@tbsaunde> I am ENOCYCLES
- # [16:51] <@davidb> ok
- # [16:51] <@davidb> heh ok
- # [16:51] <@davidb> skewl?
- # [16:52] <@davidb> ok the scroll back wasn't too far back - my bad
- # [16:53] <@tbsaunde> ya
- # [17:01] <@tbsaunde> jhk: have more questions?
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- # [17:03] <jhk> tbsaunde: I will have more...I need to learn few things before i ask...
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- # [17:08] <@tbsaunde> jhk: I didn't look to deeply, but the msdn docs seemed to be pretty reasonable
- # [17:10] <@tbsaunde> jhk: working on seperate objects for msaa / i2 might be a good way to get started that's useful on its own
- # [17:10] <@tbsaunde> jhk: basically do the same thing as bug 736252 on other CAccessibleFoo classes to start with
- # [17:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736252 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, stop using QueryInterface in CAccessibleAction
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- # [17:15] <jhk> tbsaunde: other objects?
- # [17:16] <@tbsaunde> jhk: so, currently nsAccessibleWrap on windows implements IAccessible2 and some other interfaces
- # [17:16] <jhk> tbsaunde: yes
- # [17:17] <@tbsaunde> that causes some problems, and it would be better if there was a seperate object from the nsAccessible that implemented IAccessible2 and such
- # [17:21] <@tbsaunde> jhk: so, one of the things we need to do to have seperate objects is to stop getting the internal object through do_Query{Interface,Object}(0
- # [17:21] <@tbsaunde> so for example, you should do the same thing I did with CAccessibleAction with CAccessibleHyperlink
- # [17:21] <@tbsaunde> I can file bugs in a bit
- # [17:22] <jhk> ok..I got you...sure..and assign me on that! thanks:)
- # [17:23] <@tbsaunde> sounds gret :)
- # [17:32] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 741398 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
- # [17:32] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 611462 on bug 741398.
- # [17:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741398 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, make ARIA state map extensible
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- # [17:47] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 611470 on bug 741053.
- # [17:47] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 741053 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
- # [17:47] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741053 cri, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, crash in nsIDocument::GetRootElement
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- # [17:54] <@tbsaunde> surkov: we should have a follow to actually fix these crash bugs, want tofile? or should although I think you have a clearer idea of what you want to do
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- # [17:55] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I'll file a bug
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- # [17:56] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 611470 on bug 741053.
- # [17:56] <@tbsaunde> thx
- # [17:57] <@tbsaunde> surkov: fyi I'm not around enough now to say I'll watch the tree, but I could push later if you want
- # [17:57] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I'm pushing it to try server build, we can land it on inbound I think
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- # [17:59] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, I'm not really sure when merge will happen, but sure
- # [17:59] <@tbsaunde> I'll be really suprised if that either doesn't build or doesn't fix the issue
- # [17:59] <@surkov> tbsaunde: the reason I landed on inbound to have a chance to see if that helps asap
- # [17:59] <@surkov> sorry on central
- # [18:01] <@tbsaunde> sure
- # [18:02] <@tbsaunde> yeah, also means that you may save people a day of anoying crashes
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- # [18:10] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 741408 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
- # [18:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741408 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, figure out a way to deal with accessibles with no content
- # [18:20] <@david|mtg> surkov: an aria namespace?
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- # [18:20] <@surkov> davidb: how does it sound?
- # [18:20] <@davidb> surkov: it looks ok to me but roc had a big thing on dev-platform "Too many C++ namespaces being used "
- # [18:21] <@surkov> :)
- # [18:21] <@surkov> what's the point?
- # [18:21] <@surkov> does he have a criteria: when we should use namespace and we shouldn't?
- # [18:22] <@davidb> I guess it ended up as https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Developer_Guide/Coding_Style#C.2B.2B_namespaces
- # [18:23] * @tbsaunde hasn't read the patch but tends to think that if your just replacing a class with all static members it should be fine
- # [18:24] * @davidb shrugs
- # [18:24] <@davidb> I'm not sure why it really matters
- # [18:24] <@davidb> for our stuff
- # [18:24] <@tbsaunde> yeah, and it probably maters more for public stuff, which I suspect this won't be
- # [18:25] <@davidb> right
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- # [18:35] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 741053 from --- to mozilla14.
- # [18:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741053 cri, --, mozilla14, surkov.alexander, ASSI, crash in nsIDocument::GetRootElement
- # [18:44] <@MarcoZ> davidb, surkov, have the rules to check into mozilla-central directly been changed?
- # [18:44] <@MarcoZ> surkov: I saw you check into m-c twice now, without going to inbound first.
- # [18:45] <@surkov> MarcoZ: twice?
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- # [18:45] <@surkov> MarcoZ: which was a second?
- # [18:45] <@surkov> MarcoZ: I landed bug 741053 to make it get into nighties sooner so we can see if it helps to crashes
- # [18:46] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741053 cri, --, mozilla14, surkov.alexander, ASSI, crash in nsIDocument::GetRootElement
- # [18:48] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Sorr I mis-read, you landed bug 741053 on integration, but the related Windows one on central.
- # [18:48] <@MarcoZ> And yeah, that's good that you did! I was just curious.
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- # [19:13] <@MarcoZ> OK, off for the evening. Se you all tomorrow!
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- # [20:11] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 740375 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
- # [20:11] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com set the Resolution field on bug 740375 to FIXED.
- # [20:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740375 nor, --, mozilla14, markcapella, RESO FIXED, get rid nsIAccessible innerHTML method
- # [20:13] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 736252 from NEW to RESOLVED.
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- # [20:13] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 736252 from --- to mozilla14.
- # [20:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736252 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, stop using QueryInterface in CAccessibleAction
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- # [20:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739253 nor, --, mozilla14, nickyekaiqi, RESO FIXED, optimize AccEvent::GetDocAccessible
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- # [20:16] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=737379 tri, --, mozilla14, junky.argonaut, NEW, change Comments to roles::ROLENAME
- # [20:16] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 739193 from NEW to RESOLVED.
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- # [20:16] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739193 nor, --, mozilla14, maxli, RESO FIXED, nsTextEquivUtils::AppendTextEquivFromContent shouldn't use GetAccService()->GetAccessible
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- # [20:17] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723424 nor, --, mozilla14, orangedaylily, RESO FIXED, dexpcom GetUnignoredParent()
- # [20:17] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 739524 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
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- # [20:17] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739524 nor, --, mozilla14, markcapella, RESO FIXED, replace TreeViewChanged DOM event on direct call from XUL tree
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- # [20:19] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 741474 filed by mbrubeck@mozilla.com.
- # [20:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741474 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Intermittent TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | chrome://mochitests/content/a11y/accessible/tree/test_img.html |
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- # [20:29] <@davidb> eeejay: hi
- # [20:35] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Status on bug 739889 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
- # [20:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739889 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, densify nsOuterDocAccessible
- # [20:41] <eeejay> davidb, yo
- # [20:41] <@davidb> eeejay: was just gonna point our chrome.tts
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- # [20:41] <@davidb> etc
- # [20:41] <@davidb> but you probably already know
- # [20:41] <@davidb> our/out
- # [20:42] <eeejay> davidb, yeah. i was going to copy it verbatim and not give them credit
- # [20:42] <eeejay> jay kay
- # [20:42] <@davidb> haha
- # [20:42] <@davidb> eeejay: beware anything in w3c land
- # [20:42] <@davidb> it will be over engineered
- # [20:42] <@davidb> by non engineers
- # [20:43] <eeejay> davidb, and you don't consider chrome.tts to be w3c, right?
- # [20:43] <@davidb> right
- # [20:43] <eeejay> yeah, it seems like a sensible API
- # [20:43] <eeejay> license permitting, I will copy it
- # [20:44] <@davidb> it makes sense to converge
- # [20:44] <eeejay> yeah
- # [20:44] <eeejay> i already have a nice prototype
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- # [20:44] <eeejay> but you need to pass as an argument an audio element, which is a bit awkward
- # [20:47] <@davidb> element or object?
- # [20:47] <eeejay> um
- # [20:47] <eeejay> object?
- # [20:47] <@davidb> i dunno
- # [20:47] <eeejay> var audio = new Audio()
- # [20:47] <@davidb> object
- # [20:47] <eeejay> of type htmlmediaelement
- # [20:48] <@davidb> oh
- # [20:48] <@davidb> element
- # [20:48] <eeejay> it could be an element on the page
- # [20:48] <@davidb> sure
- # [20:48] <@davidb> or not
- # [20:48] <eeejay> right
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- # [20:49] <eeejay> the issue is, you can't instantiate elements outside of a "window" context, so js modules cant create new Audio objects
- # [20:49] <eeejay> so you need to pass it from the chrome script
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- # [21:38] <@davidb> hi fxa90id
- # [21:44] <fxa90id> hi fxa90id sup ?
- # [21:44] <fxa90id> hahah
- # [21:44] <fxa90id> hi davidb :D
- # [21:45] <@davidb> heheh
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- # [21:58] <@hub> tbsaunde: you still want lines wrapped at 80 columns, don't you?
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- # [22:37] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested feedback from surkov.alexander@ gmail.com for attachment 611569 on bug 740725.
- # [22:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740725 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, Add down-casting to nsXULTreeAccessible
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- # [23:06] <Mark_Capella> tbsaunde: For bug739889 ... does mozDocAccessible.h and .mm in the /src/mac folder need to be included?
- # [23:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739889 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, densify nsOuterDocAccessible
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- # [23:07] <Mark_Capella> Never mind ... I answered my own question
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- # [23:35] <Mark_Capella> tbsaunde: r u there?
- # [23:36] <Mark_Capella> hmmmmmmmm ... and surkov is out ... guess ill have to wait
- # [23:49] <@hub> Mark_Capella: it is night time for surkov
- # [23:50] <@hub> Mark_Capella: if you don't ask the question, no chance that one of us can know if one can answer
- # [23:52] <Mark_Capella> hub: cool - if you can step in, i wanted to know from surkov on bug740725, and tbsaunde on bug739889
- # [23:52] <Mark_Capella> didnt know if anyone else had bandwidth ...
- # [23:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740725 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, Add down-casting to nsXULTreeAccessible
- # [23:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739889 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, densify nsOuterDocAccessible
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