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  1. # Session Start: Tue Apr 03 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:00] <Mark_Capella> hub: k - i was afraid of that ... ok ... ill take a stab while not really understanding makefile processing .... copy
  4. # [00:00] <Mark_Capella> the one, with one .cpp file would be all
  5. # [00:01] <@hub> that how we learn
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  10. # [00:24] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 611613 on bug 735645.
  11. # [00:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735645 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, expose sub and sup elements in text attributes
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  21. # [00:55] <Mark_Capella> hub: any ideas on how to identify / correct the problem with the crash from the down-cast bug740725 ?
  22. # [00:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740725 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, Add down-casting to nsXULTreeAccessible
  23. # [00:59] <@hub> crash or fail during test?
  24. # [00:59] <@hub> of the top of my head, no idea
  25. # [01:00] <Mark_Capella> yah ... its in the bug .... surkov will see when he comes in but you offered time earlier
  26. # [01:01] <@hub> had I know I'd have indicated so in the bug :-)
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  32. # [01:20] <Mark_Capella> hub: its ok ... I can wait, thanks again
  33. # [01:32] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: I'm around now...
  34. # [01:33] <Mark_Capella> welcome back!
  35. # [01:33] <@tbsaunde> hub: I don't particularly care, I'd happily let people write up to atleast 100 columns, but as I understand it surkov actually wants 80
  36. # [01:34] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: chrome.tts?
  37. # [01:34] <@hub> tbsaunde: uh, cause it is surkov who asked me why I re-wrapped a line :-/
  38. # [01:35] <@hub> not that it matters either way, I have held the patch out of the commit queue for now
  39. # [01:35] <@tbsaunde> weird *shrug*
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  42. # [02:28] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: do you still have questions?
  43. # [02:30] <Mark_Capella> tbsaunde: the one i had for your bug was addressed by hub - (i wasnt looking forward to creating a new makefile.in)
  44. # [02:30] <Mark_Capella> but it looks like thats what you need for the bug ...
  45. # [02:30] <Mark_Capella> oh! there's nothing in the accessible/src/generic directory other than tableaccessible.h ... seemed odd
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  48. # [02:33] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: yeah, its a new folder hadn't needed a makefile before
  49. # [02:33] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: it shouldn't be hard to ad one though
  50. # [02:34] <Mark_Capella> that's what i figured ... work in progress kinda thing ... :)
  51. # [02:34] <Mark_Capella> I'm going to clone the accessible/src/base one and rip out stuff not needed ... leave unknown stuff alone see what happens
  52. # [02:36] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 611613 on bug 735645.
  53. # [02:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735645 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, expose sub and sup elements in text attributes
  54. # [02:37] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: sound good
  55. # [02:37] <Mark_Capella> tbsaunde: i think i was also looking for you to review the @longdesc bug ... see if its where you wanted me to be going
  56. # [02:40] <@tbsaunde> ok, I can take a quick look
  57. # [02:52] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: well, that approach is correct, but the bool argument is rather confusing / magical
  58. # [02:52] <Mark_Capella> laughs - yah i know
  59. # [02:53] <Mark_Capella> i kept looking and thinking that here had to be an easier way
  60. # [02:55] <@tbsaunde> one option would be /* gets the longdesc uri if any returns true of a longdesc uri was found */ bool LongDesc(nsString& aURI = nsnull);
  61. # [02:55] <@tbsaunde> and then you only pass in the string if you care what the uri was
  62. # [02:56] <@tbsaunde> ranother thing that might work is to have a static nsString in the function, and return an nsDependantString based on it
  63. # [02:57] <Mark_Capella> tbsaunde: im not suggesting we keep changing it if it works ... though you know surkov will have questions
  64. # [02:58] <@tbsaunde> well, I don't really like the patch exactly as it is
  65. # [03:03] <Mark_Capella> ive gotta take a break for a bit ... ill be back later give you some to mull it over
  66. # [03:03] <@tbsaunde> see ya
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  74. # [03:47] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested feedback from eitan@monotonous. org for attachment 611684 on bug 670853.
  75. # [03:47] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=670853 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, undetermined progressmeters should expose mixed state
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  88. # [05:41] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 611569 on bug 740725.
  89. # [05:41] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted feedback for attachment 611569 on bug 740725.
  90. # [05:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740725 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, Add down-casting to nsXULTreeAccessible
  91. # [05:55] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 611613 on bug 735645.
  92. # [05:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735645 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, expose sub and sup elements in text attributes
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  95. # [06:14] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: for bug 740725 it seems like you forgot to use AsTreeAccessible() in the do_QueryObject() you just added for bug 739524
  96. # [06:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740725 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, Add down-casting to nsXULTreeAccessible
  97. # [06:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739524 nor, --, mozilla14, markcapella, RESO FIXED, replace TreeViewChanged DOM event on direct call from XUL tree
  98. # [06:18] <Mark_Capella> i thought i rebased that one patch patch ... dang !
  99. # [06:19] <@tbsaunde> nnp
  100. # [06:19] <Mark_Capella> thenkyew
  101. # [06:20] <@tbsaunde> surkov: so, do we want to add special downcasting for text and editable text or do we want to just use AsHypertext()?
  102. # [06:20] <@surkov> tbsaunde: what is usecase?
  103. # [06:22] <@tbsaunde> surkov: thinking about replacing QIs to nsIAccessibleText / nsIAccessibleEditableText
  104. # [06:23] <@surkov> tbsaunde: oh, it sounds like AsHyperText is enough
  105. # [06:24] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok
  106. # [06:24] <@tbsaunde> just wondered since we won't always let you QI a nsHYpertextAccessible to one of those interfaces
  107. # [06:25] <@surkov> it's correct for interfaces :)
  108. # [06:25] <@surkov> same for hyperlink interface for example
  109. # [06:25] <@surkov> or selectable
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  112. # [06:28] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I'm not sure what you mean by "its correct for intefaces"
  113. # [06:29] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I meant we need to keep things separately for interface because of that QI thing. But it's not necessary to do internally
  114. # [06:29] <@surkov> tbsaunde: we just have AsHyperText and IsEditable couple
  115. # [06:30] <@tbsaunde> kkok
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  118. # [06:32] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 741681 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  119. # [06:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741681 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, repalce nsAccessNode::GetPresContext by nsDocAccessible::PresContext
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  121. # [06:45] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 741683 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  122. # [06:45] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741683 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, move nsAccessNode::ScrollTo to nsCoreUtils
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  126. # [07:35] <@tbsaunde> surkov: so you've decided you actively want to get rid of nsAccessNode now?
  127. # [07:35] <@surkov> tbsaunde: maybe actively but we should move away from strange things
  128. # [07:38] <@tbsaunde> surkov: strange things mean what?
  129. # [07:39] <@surkov> tbsaunde: so step by step you do nsAccessNode senseless (like it doesn't have IsDefunct for example), senseless thing is a strange thing :)
  130. # [07:40] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 611569 on bug 740725.
  131. # [07:40] <@tbsaunde> surkov: that's a weird use of "senseless" but ok
  132. # [07:40] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740725 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, Add down-casting to nsXULTreeAccessible
  133. # [07:40] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 611718 on bug 740725.
  134. # [07:40] <Mark_Capella> surkov: If I obsoleted the first patch I would have lost the feedback+ flag ... so I left the attachement there
  135. # [07:40] <Mark_Capella> what if I get a review+ on a patch with a request to fix a nit and re-post?
  136. # [07:40] <@surkov> tbsaunde: meaningless
  137. # [07:41] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: that's ok, we have a history
  138. # [07:41] <@tbsaunde> one nice thing we could do would be move Init() off nsAccessNode since it makes MaekAccessNode() cleaner and accessnodes don't need it anyway
  139. # [07:41] <Mark_Capella> oh okay ... so if i post a new patch, i can always obsolete previous patches?
  140. # [07:41] <@surkov> yes
  141. # [07:41] <Mark_Capella> surkov: will do !
  142. # [07:42] <@surkov> just after some time you get into troubles to understand why several patches are and which one was landed
  143. # [07:42] <@surkov> so you need to look at patches to make sure they are roughly the same
  144. # [07:43] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: ok, thanks!
  145. # [07:55] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 611718 on bug 740725.
  146. # [07:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740725 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, Add down-casting to nsXULTreeAccessible
  147. # [08:08] <Mark_Capella> tbsaunde: IsXULTree returns the flag state, AsXULTree returns the downcast ... Isn't the code consistant / correct on that point
  148. # [08:08] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 741697 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
  149. # [08:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741697 nor, --, ---, jigneshhk1992, ASSI, dexpcomify CAccessibleComponent
  150. # [08:10] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: yes, but we could change IsXULTree() some day, and then the check AsXULTree() does won't be the same as the one IsXULTree() does
  151. # [08:12] <Mark_Capella> oh you mean use IsXULTree in the AsXULTree routine .... hmmm thats good ... code I copied wasnt doing that so neither did mine
  152. # [08:13] <Mark_Capella> AsHyperText is like:
  153. # [08:13] <Mark_Capella> return mFlags & eHyperTextAccessible ?
  154. # [08:13] <Mark_Capella> static_cast<nsHyperTextAccessible*>(this) : nsnull;
  155. # [08:15] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 741699 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
  156. # [08:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741699 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, telemetry for uiautomation.dll
  157. # [08:16] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: yeah, there not consistant about using IsFoo() in AsFoo() but they should be
  158. # [08:17] <Mark_Capella> k - ill fix mine
  159. # [08:20] <@tbsaunde> thx!
  160. # [08:23] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 741701 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  161. # [08:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741701 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, CAccessibleHyperlink::get_anchor shouldn't use nsIWinAccessNode
  162. # [08:25] <Mark_Capella> tbsaunde: and for the last part remove class ID? you want to pull the three references
  163. # [08:25] <Mark_Capella> to NS_XULTREEACCESSIBLE_IMPL_CID in nsXULTreeAccessible.h? It sounded like you weren't sure ?
  164. # [08:26] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: well, didn't want to require you to do it in this bug
  165. # [08:26] <@tbsaunde> and we have a couple other class ids that I think should go (nsRootAccessible, nsDocAccessible and nsHTMLTableAccessible)
  166. # [08:26] <@tbsaunde> surkov: any reason you want to keep ^?
  167. # [08:26] <Mark_Capella> file separate bug?
  168. # [08:27] <@tbsaunde> fine by
  169. # [08:27] <@tbsaunde> me
  170. # [08:27] <@surkov> tbsaunde: keep what?
  171. # [08:29] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 741702 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  172. # [08:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741702 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, stop using QueryInterface in CAccessibleHyperlink
  173. # [08:30] <@tbsaunde> surkov: CIDs for nsHTMLTableAccssible nsDocAccessible nsRootAccessible nsXULTreeAccessible
  174. # [08:30] <@surkov> tbsaunde: we need to remove them
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  176. # [08:32] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok :)
  177. # [08:32] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 741703 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  178. # [08:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741703 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, stop using QueryInterface in CAccessibleHypertext
  179. # [08:33] <@tbsaunde> surkov: just figured I'd ask in case you had some reason to want to let people use QueryObject to get them or something
  180. # [08:34] <@surkov> tbsaunde: they should use AsSomething() methods instead
  181. # [08:34] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yes, I'm not disagreeing
  182. # [08:34] <@surkov> ok
  183. # [08:34] <@tbsaunde> just explained why I ask
  184. # [08:34] <@surkov> sure
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  186. # [08:38] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 741705 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  187. # [08:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741705 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [meta] voice recognition problems
  188. # [08:39] <@firebot> orangedaylily@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 611731 on bug 723427.
  189. # [08:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723427 nor, --, ---, orangedaylily, NEW, dexpcom GetUnignoredChildren()
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  192. # [08:47] <Mark_Capella> tbsaunde: Do you want me to file the CID bug request?
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  194. # [08:51] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: if you want, or I can
  195. # [08:52] <Mark_Capella> oh, you go ahead, i wasnt sure where we left it
  196. # [08:53] <Mark_Capella> brb
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  200. # [09:03] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 741707 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
  201. # [09:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741707 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, rm unused a11y CIDs
  202. # [09:09] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 741709 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
  203. # [09:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741709 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, nsAccessibleWrap::get_accParent() shouldn't use do_QueryObject to get a nsDocAccessible
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  212. # [09:31] <@tbsaunde> jhk: hi
  213. # [09:31] <jhk> hi tbsaunde
  214. # [09:32] <jhk> I saw you filed bug..
  215. # [09:33] <@tbsaunde> jhk: yeah, they clear?
  216. # [09:34] <jhk> tbsaunde: yes
  217. # [09:34] <@tbsaunde> jhk: great
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  221. # [09:41] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 611731 on bug 723427.
  222. # [09:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723427 nor, --, ---, orangedaylily, NEW, dexpcom GetUnignoredChildren()
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  224. # [09:43] <@tbsaunde> surkov: are you doing more work on top of the aria states patch? / how urgent is it?
  225. # [09:44] <@surkov> tbsaunde: on top is a good first bug
  226. # [09:44] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok
  227. # [09:45] <@surkov> tbsaunde: when do you plan to get closer?
  228. # [09:46] <@tbsaunde> surkov: what do you mean closer?
  229. # [09:46] <@surkov> when you start looking at it :)
  230. # [09:46] <@surkov> review it
  231. # [09:47] <@tbsaunde> I read it once quickly, probably day fter tomorrow is when I should do it but I gues I could do it now
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  236. # [10:19] <@askalski> hi everyone
  237. # [10:23] <@surkov> tbsaunde: what about int vs PRInt32 (bug 723427)?
  238. # [10:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723427 nor, --, ---, orangedaylily, NEW, dexpcom GetUnignoredChildren()
  239. # [10:23] <@surkov> askalski: hi, what's new?
  240. # [10:25] <@askalski> askalski, not much, started to work on MATS, there is a wikipage and github account. I think I will meet with a guy from google who did their chrome testing framework, maybe he will give me some advices :)
  241. # [10:25] <@askalski> surkov, how are you?
  242. # [10:26] <@surkov> sounds cool
  243. # [10:27] <@surkov> well, together with tbsaunde we are doing some dexpcom work
  244. # [10:27] <@surkov> and of course together with our new contributors :)
  245. # [10:31] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I gues that makes sense, although int -> nspr type makes me a little sad
  246. # [10:32] <@surkov> tbsaunde: so I'll replace int to PRUint32 in that case before landing, ok?
  247. # [10:32] <@askalski> surkov, dexpcom? what's that
  248. # [10:32] <@tbsaunde> ok
  249. # [10:33] <@surkov> askalski: removing xpcom stuffs from internal layer
  250. # [10:33] <@surkov> like QueryInterface, nsCOMPtr/nsRefPtr and etc
  251. # [10:33] <@tbsaunde> surkov: note the total count ws also an int maybe you should change that while there?
  252. # [10:34] <@askalski> surkov, sounds good. mozilla is planning to move from xpcom to something else?
  253. # [10:34] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I generally like the aria state thing though I have soom nits and haven't really looked at the details closely to be sure you didn't change anything
  254. # [10:35] <@surkov> tbsaunde: yes, I did that already :)
  255. # [10:35] <@tbsaunde> askalski: well, theres lots of xpcom that there just isn't a reason for and can just be done with c++
  256. # [10:35] <@surkov> tbsaunde: ok, you can start from nits
  257. # [10:35] <@surkov> askalski: that's right :)
  258. # [10:36] <@tbsaunde> surkov: while on the subje of types its worth noting that I think all the new dom binding stuff uses normal none nspr types for the most part
  259. # [10:36] <@askalski> tbsaunde, I guess that's general, we can do everything with c++, by reimplementing xpcom :). what's the point of moving from one code to another?
  260. # [10:37] <@tbsaunde> askalski: cleaner / less virtual methods less refcounting
  261. # [10:37] <@askalski> tbsaunde, oh, that's good
  262. # [10:37] <@surkov> tbsaunde: example?
  263. # [10:37] <@tbsaunde> askalski: yes, also lets you make things simpler since you can just do new Foo instead of NS_GETFOO()
  264. # [10:38] <@tbsaunde> surkov: of nits?
  265. # [10:39] <@surkov> of none nspr types
  266. # [10:39] <@surkov> tbsaunde: nits should go into bug
  267. # [10:40] <@tbsaunde> surkov: oh, dom/bindings/DOMjsClass.h, but seems than there are less than I thought
  268. # [10:41] <@surkov> ok
  269. # [10:42] <@firebot> moz.mihaelav@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 735666 from RESOLVED to VERIFIED.
  270. # [10:42] <@firebot> moz.mihaelav@gmail.com set status-firefox12 to verified on bug 735666.
  271. # [10:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735666 cri, --, mozilla14, surkov.alexander, VERI FIXED, crash [@ nsIDocument::GetContainer() ]
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  273. # [10:47] <@MarcoZ> Hi all!
  274. # [10:47] <@MarcoZ> Man, will bug 718627 ever finish landing? LOL
  275. # [10:47] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718627 nor, P1, ---, hub, ASSI, [Mac] Navigating by character, or interacting with, the text in the awesome bar does not speak the c
  276. # [10:53] <@surkov> hi, MarcoZ
  277. # [10:53] <@surkov> MarcoZ: sorry for being nitpicky ;)
  278. # [10:54] <@surkov> MarcoZ: I think it was a good idea to start reviewing while bug isn't fixed yet
  279. # [11:01] <@MarcoZ> surkov: I totally agree! It is good that we did it this way. it's just been soooooo long! :)
  280. # [11:06] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net changed the Status on bug 741053 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  281. # [11:06] <@firebot> mak77@bonardo.net set the Resolution field on bug 741053 to FIXED.
  282. # [11:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741053 cri, --, mozilla14, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, crash in nsIDocument::GetRootElement
  283. # [11:08] <@tbsaunde> surkov: btw if you grep for int32_t in content/ or dom/ you do find a fair number of occurences
  284. # [11:09] <@surkov> tbsaunde: maybe you could figure out the modern tendency in gecko?
  285. # [11:09] <@surkov> if we have a good prescription
  286. # [11:10] <@tbsaunde> perscription?
  287. # [11:11] <@tbsaunde> I can look a little more
  288. # [11:42] <@surkov> tbsaunde: formula, please
  289. # [11:45] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 643000 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  290. # [11:45] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 643000 to WONTFIX.
  291. # [11:45] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=643000 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, RESO WONTFIX, convert nsStateMapEntry from a class to a struct
  292. # [11:46] <@tbsaunde> surkov: what is the context for that? I don't follow
  293. # [11:46] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled feedback? for attachment 520324 on bug 643000.
  294. # [11:46] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I meant int vs PRInt32
  295. # [11:46] <@tbsaunde> h
  296. # [11:46] <@tbsaunde> surkov: do you plan to clean up wht's left of nsARIAMap somehow?
  297. # [11:47] <@surkov> tbsaunde: nope
  298. # [11:47] <@surkov> but I think I can file good first bugs
  299. # [11:47] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok, good enough
  300. # [11:47] <@surkov> at least try to do that
  301. # [11:48] <@tbsaunde> its just sort funny as it is, and needs densing
  302. # [12:06] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 723427 from --- to mozilla14.
  303. # [12:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723427 nor, --, mozilla14, orangedaylily, NEW, dexpcom GetUnignoredChildren()
  304. # [12:07] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 740725 from --- to mozilla14.
  305. # [12:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740725 nor, --, mozilla14, markcapella, ASSI, Add down-casting to nsXULTreeAccessible
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  307. # [12:38] <Mark_Capella> surkov: to move the outerdocaccessible class into a namespace, do I wrap the .h file with this for example? Or do I wrap the .cpp file ... or both?
  308. # [12:38] <Mark_Capella> Namespaces are new to me...
  309. # [12:38] <Mark_Capella> namespace a11y {
  310. # [12:38] <Mark_Capella> ...
  311. # [12:38] <Mark_Capella> } // a11y namespace
  312. # [12:39] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: you wrap header by mozilla a11y, and you can wrap cpp by a11y only I think
  313. # [12:39] <Mark_Capella> okay then .h file I had set with both mozilla and with a11y , so i guess i just needed to finish with the .cpp file
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  320. # [13:57] <Mark_Capella> surkov: can you be more specific re: wrap everything ... all files .h and .cpp referencing OuterDocAccessible? Some subset?
  321. # [13:57] <Mark_Capella> Also, whats wrong with the makefile.in haeder? I thought I included the relevent portion? Do you want me to remove all but the
  322. # [13:57] <Mark_Capella> 3 line portion from the linked page?
  323. # [13:58] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: wrap OuterDocAccessible implementation by namespace a11y {
  324. # [13:58] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: about headers, http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/headers/
  325. # [13:59] <Mark_Capella> k ill check that namespace a11y { i though it was there but i lose stuff
  326. # [14:02] <Mark_Capella> i've got the revelent 3 lines of headers from the headers link in the makefile, whats missing? or is the additional information to be removed?
  327. # [14:03] <@surkov> in your makefile.in (btw, uppercase it) you use old header style
  328. # [14:03] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: just copy it from TableAccessible.h
  329. # [14:04] <Mark_Capella> k - ill do that
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  334. # [14:39] <Mark_Capella> maybe i need a clobber
  335. # [14:46] <@MarcoZ> Mark_Capella: When making changes like this, a clobber is probably a good idea.
  336. # [14:47] <Mark_Capella> yeppers ... im watching the expansions its performing .... its gotta be part of the problem
  337. # [14:47] <Mark_Capella> i dont think it was knowing about the new makefile
  338. # [14:48] <Mark_Capella> heck ill be happy if it blows up again but in a new and interesting way :D
  339. # [14:54] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 741750 filed by jmathies@mozilla.com.
  340. # [14:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741750 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Get accessibility connected for content in metro apps
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  348. # [15:00] <@davidb> hi!
  349. # [15:01] <Mark_Capella> surkov: ill try that but now during my clobber im smashed into Bug 741248 - pymake builds fail in nsIDOMBatteryManager.h and waiting on them
  350. # [15:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741248 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, pymake builds fail in nsIDOMBatteryManager.h or nsIDOMNavigatorBattery.h since the Paris bindings la
  351. # [15:02] <@MarcoZ> Hi davidb!
  352. # [15:02] <@davidb> hi hi hi!
  353. # [15:02] <@MarcoZ> davidb, surkov, looks like the decision whethr to give UIA any high priority or not has just been overruled by the fact that without UIA, the regular soft keyboard doesn't work. :)
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  356. # [15:03] <@surkov> MarcoZ: that's what I'm saying: MS considers UIA as electronic curb cut effect
  357. # [15:04] <@surkov> so if you wanna to be on their platform then you must to implement it, otherwise a lot of services is not available
  358. # [15:04] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: ok
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  361. # [15:06] <@davidb> surkov, MarcoZ Larry told me UIA is used extensively as a test platform within MS
  362. # [15:06] <Mark_Capella> surkov: hey? I never noticed the Makefile vs makefile difference ... didnt think in mattered in a filename but ill bet you're right
  363. # [15:06] <@askalski> hi David
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  365. # [15:06] <@davidb> hi
  366. # [15:06] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: it think it case sensitive
  367. # [15:07] <Mark_Capella> i think i agree
  368. # [15:07] <@askalski> davidb, can we do our 1:1 later today, or is 11:00 only option?
  369. # [15:07] <@davidb> askalski: I could do my 3pm
  370. # [15:07] <@davidb> or possibly my 1:30pm
  371. # [15:07] <@askalski> davidb, that would be better
  372. # [15:07] <Mark_Capella> i may be hosed till they fix the WIN7 build bug
  373. # [15:07] <@davidb> askalski: ok I'll move it to 3
  374. # [15:07] <@askalski> thanks
  375. # [15:07] <@davidb> np
  376. # [15:10] <Mark_Capella> oh possible work aounrd on the build bug
  377. # [15:15] <@davidb> MarcoZ: what do we want to happen on bug 736418?
  378. # [15:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736418 nor, --, ---, paul, REOP, Hide the "Inspect" button from screen readers
  379. # [15:16] <@davidb> I mean long term, make it properly accessible. The short term is not currently obvious to me.
  380. # [15:16] <@davidb> I lean toward making it as accessible as possible. I never like hiding stuff.
  381. # [15:16] <@davidb> I don't quite understand the extra tab stop comment either.
  382. # [15:17] <@davidb> I want to undertsand it.
  383. # [15:17] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I want to understand it, too. And I agree hiding stuff is never a good option.
  384. # [15:17] <@MarcoZ> And we're not just talking screen readers here.
  385. # [15:17] <@davidb> Right
  386. # [15:18] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Did you catch dao on IRC?
  387. # [15:18] <@davidb> It isn't clear what everyone wants the scope of the bug to be about.
  388. # [15:18] <@davidb> no I tried yesterday - will ping again
  389. # [15:18] <@davidb> not around
  390. # [15:18] <@MarcoZ> Initially, Paul asked me about whether to provide the label or not. Then, Dao turned it into "we should hide this mouse-only button from assistive technologies alltogether".
  391. # [15:19] <@davidb> I understand his position but it is misguided.
  392. # [15:19] <@davidb> He needs to be brought around.
  393. # [15:19] <@davidb> I'm just not sure about this extra tab stop thing
  394. # [15:19] <@MarcoZ> Agreed, but I think you have the better skills to do that than I.
  395. # [15:20] <@davidb> Ha!
  396. # [15:20] <@davidb> I was going to step off the bug. Three of us is probably overkill :)
  397. # [15:20] <@davidb> But I will try to find dao.
  398. # [15:20] <@davidb> The tab stop thing reminds me of video… I wonder if it is the same argument that led us to having shortcuts and not focussing the actual visual control.s
  399. # [15:21] <@davidb> The latter is much better for sighted keyboard users.
  400. # [15:21] <@davidb> == being able to interact with what is seen.
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  403. # [15:30] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Agreed. And focus indication. ;-)
  404. # [15:31] <@davidb> right
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  407. # [15:36] <@davidb> surkov: I sent you that email about reflexive relations… thoughts?
  408. # [15:37] <@surkov> oh, I think I forgot to answer, I will
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  413. # [16:11] <@davidb> nice chat with mick
  414. # [16:13] <@tbsaunde|afk> davidb: oh?
  415. # [16:14] <@davidb> yeah, UIA mostly
  416. # [16:14] <@davidb> nothing mind-changing
  417. # [16:15] <@tbsaunde|afk> $oic
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  419. # [16:17] <Mark_Capella> Omi! I'm being added to about:credits :)
  420. # [16:19] <@MarcoZ> Mark_Capella: You've most definitely earned it!
  421. # [16:19] <Mark_Capella> I'm honestly touched ! I've just been having too much fun
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  424. # [16:25] <@MarcoZ> Hi Hub!
  425. # [16:27] <@hub> hi
  426. # [16:28] <@MarcoZ> Hub: Looks like bug 718627 is landed almost completely! :)
  427. # [16:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718627 nor, P1, ---, hub, ASSI, [Mac] Navigating by character, or interacting with, the text in the awesome bar does not speak the c
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  431. # [16:32] <@hub> MarcoZ: what's left is cosmetic
  432. # [16:32] <@MarcoZ> hub: Nice!
  433. # [16:33] <@davidb> surkov: apparently UIA text api is not offset based - deals with range objects.
  434. # [16:37] <@surkov> ok
  435. # [16:37] <@surkov> davidb: what's difference between range and offset pair?
  436. # [16:37] <@davidb> surkov: not sure - those are mick's points.
  437. # [16:38] <@davidb> i figured we'd find out later ;)
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  439. # [16:42] <@MarcoZ> Doesn't the Mac API also deal with ranges rather than offsets?
  440. # [16:43] <@davidb> I seem to recall something about webkit having ranges in their selection implementation
  441. # [16:44] <@surkov> MarcoZ: that depends on what is range. on mac range is a pair (startOffset, endOffset) so the same as offsets
  442. # [16:44] <@davidb> I'm very fuzzy on it all.
  443. # [16:45] <@davidb> It sounds like for IE10 NVDA would need to rewrite a lot of the text api usage for UIA.
  444. # [16:48] <@hub> MarcoZ: and it will land this AM
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  453. # [17:17] <@davidb> surkov, hub, MarcoZ, * I propose to skip the meeting tomorrow and not interrupt sleep/development. We had good discussion last week, including goals.
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  455. # [17:17] <@surkov> k
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  457. # [17:18] <@MarcoZ> Fine with me!
  458. # [17:19] <@davidb> MarcoZ: in the cancellation email can you mention that we can be found in #accessibility as always?
  459. # [17:25] <@davidb> not that we've had any guests but still
  460. # [17:35] <@hub> ok
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  463. # [17:49] <@davidb> hub: seen this error? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1552215
  464. # [17:49] <@davidb> building on mac (first time in a while)
  465. # [17:50] <@hub> clobber the build
  466. # [17:50] <@davidb> yeah ok
  467. # [17:50] <@hub> you haven't built for a while
  468. # [17:50] <@davidb> on mac no
  469. # [17:50] <@davidb> quite a while
  470. # [17:51] <@hub> I hit it a few weeks ago
  471. # [17:51] <@davidb> ok thanks
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  474. # [18:02] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Will write it now.
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  477. # [18:08] <@firebot> michaljev@o2.pl granted review for attachment 611834 on bug 734566.
  478. # [18:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=734566 nor, --, ---, michaljev, ASSI, optimize layout of TextAttrsMgr
  479. # [18:10] <@firebot> michaljev@o2.pl requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 611834 on bug 734566.
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  489. # [18:58] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 611855 on bug 739889.
  490. # [18:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739889 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, densify nsOuterDocAccessible
  491. # [19:03] <@MarcoZ> OK, off for the evening. Se you tomorrow!
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  496. # [19:35] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 611855 on bug 739889.
  497. # [19:36] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested feedback from trev.saunders@gmail.com for attachment 611855 on bug 739889.
  498. # [19:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739889 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, densify nsOuterDocAccessible
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  501. # [19:53] <@firebot> anael@free-h.org set the Resolution field on bug 741189 to WORKSFORME.
  502. # [19:53] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741189 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Crash when opening the Print dialog [@ nsIDocument::GetRootElement]
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  505. # [19:58] <@firebot> scoobidiver@netcourrier.com changed the Resolution on bug 741189 from WORKSFORME to DUPLICATE.
  506. # [20:04] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 740725 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  507. # [20:04] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com set the Resolution field on bug 740725 to FIXED.
  508. # [20:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740725 nor, --, mozilla14, markcapella, RESO FIXED, Add down-casting to nsXULTreeAccessible
  509. # [20:05] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 723427 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  510. # [20:05] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com set the Resolution field on bug 723427 to FIXED.
  511. # [20:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723427 nor, --, mozilla14, orangedaylily, RESO FIXED, dexpcom GetUnignoredChildren()
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  516. # [20:37] <@davidb> eeejay: ping
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  519. # [20:41] <@davidb> askalski: want to meet now?
  520. # [20:41] <@askalski> sure
  521. # [20:41] <@askalski> just let me get my phones
  522. # [20:41] <@davidb> yep 5 mins
  523. # [20:43] <@askalski> davidb, ok, ready. waiting on skype
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  529. # [21:10] <Stevef> davidb: the aapi meet is now btw
  530. # [21:11] <@davidb> Stevef: I'll dial in but I have an IT guy here ATM
  531. # [21:11] <Stevef> np
  532. # [21:13] <@davidb> Stevef: what is passcode again? (numbers)
  533. # [21:13] <@davidb> 2274
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  537. # [21:27] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com cancelled feedback?(trev.saunders@gma il.com) for attachment 611855 on bug 739889.
  538. # [21:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739889 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, densify nsOuterDocAccessible
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  542. # [21:47] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 718627 from --- to mozilla14.
  543. # [21:47] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718627 nor, P1, ---, hub, ASSI, [Mac] Navigating by character, or interacting with, the text in the awesome bar does not speak the c
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  556. # [23:02] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652635 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, Fallback missing @longdesc to aria-describedby pointing to <a href>
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