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  1. # Session Start: Fri Apr 06 00:00:01 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  13. # [03:19] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 743114 filed by hub@mozilla.com.
  14. # [03:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743114 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Mac] regression: autocomplete should be ignored
  15. # [03:31] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 612770 on bug 743114.
  16. # [03:31] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743114 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Mac] regression: autocomplete should be ignored
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  20. # [03:46] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 612770 on bug 743114.
  21. # [03:47] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743114 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Mac] regression: autocomplete should be ignored
  22. # [03:57] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 743114 from --- to mozilla14.
  23. # [03:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743114 nor, --, mozilla14, nobody, NEW, [Mac] regression: autocomplete should be ignored
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  26. # [04:03] <@tbsaunde> surkov: so, it seems like the only time we use nsDocAccessible::mAccessibleCache is on windows when we want to get the accessible from a child id
  27. # [04:04] <@tbsaunde> I supose your not comfortable with assuming the AT gives us a child id we gave them so you don't think just static casting back to an nsAccessibleWrap is acceptable?
  28. # [04:05] <@surkov> sure
  29. # [04:05] <@surkov> mAccessibleCache manages the lifecycle of accessible objects
  30. # [04:06] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I ues it holds a ref, but if you just want to hold a ref I can think of sainer ways than a hash table
  31. # [04:06] <@tbsaunde> *suppose
  32. # [04:07] <@surkov> ok, if there's sainer way then it's msaa consumer
  33. # [04:09] <@tbsaunde> surkov: couldn't we just change mNodeToAccessibleMap to be nsRefPtrHashtble<nsHashKey<const nsIContent>, nsAccessible> ?
  34. # [04:10] <@surkov> tbsaunde: what for?
  35. # [04:10] <@tbsaunde> surkov: well, by manages life cycle you mean holds a ref to accessible right?
  36. # [04:11] <@surkov> tbsaunde: this cache doesn't hold all accessibles
  37. # [04:12] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, I just saw that
  38. # [04:13] <@tbsaunde> arg, what we do now is mad, but if we care about cycle collection I'm not sure if there's a better way
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  41. # [04:17] <@tbsaunde> surkov: so, keeing a list of objects around just so you can own them seems a little strange to me
  42. # [04:19] <@tbsaunde> one thing we could do is doc owns all ccessibles for content, and non primary nodes are owned by there creator / prent since they're mostly things like image map / xul tree which manage thir own children / update
  43. # [04:20] <@tbsaunde> also, my typeing seems to extra suck recently, sorry :/
  44. # [04:25] <@surkov> maybe we could do that, but sort of scary change
  45. # [04:25] <@tbsaunde> yeah, I'd agree
  46. # [04:26] <@tbsaunde> surkov: but you'd agree tht n general hash table just so you can objects is kind of silly right
  47. # [04:26] <@tbsaunde> so that you can objects
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  50. # [04:27] <@tbsaunde> I'd think keeping accessibles alive might even be small pottos in comparison
  51. # [04:27] <@surkov> I don't like to keep two caches
  52. # [04:27] <@tbsaunde> (longer than we need to because no weak ref)
  53. # [04:30] <@surkov> ok, but what about MSAA part?
  54. # [04:32] <@tbsaunde> I gues that might still need this crazy hash table (atleast till we fix 64 bit issue)
  55. # [04:32] <@tbsaunde> or mybe we can say static cast is good enough, and we can trust tht child id will be something we gave out
  56. # [04:33] <@tbsaunde> (we could look into making sure of that with msvc stuff to check vtable pointers)
  57. # [04:33] <@surkov> we can't trust I beieve
  58. # [04:33] <@tbsaunde> yeah, but if we static cast and then check vtable pointer is correct?
  59. # [04:34] <@tbsaunde> I'm not actually sure msvc will let you do that, but one can hope
  60. # [04:34] <@tbsaunde> atlest until one has looked and found out no
  61. # [04:35] <@surkov> well, I didn't hear about that, sounds hacky but why not
  62. # [04:35] <@tbsaunde> I suspect space will be more important on mobile / b2g where no msaa so maybe worth doing just to make them better?
  63. # [04:36] <@tbsaunde> as in move mAccessiblecache to msaa nsDocAccessibleWrap
  64. # [04:36] <@surkov> ok, what about weak ref implementation?
  65. # [04:37] <@tbsaunde> surkov: a little, sort of like mgic constant, but getting the space for free
  66. # [04:37] <@tbsaunde> what bout it?
  67. # [04:37] <@surkov> how to implement if we don't have mAccessibleCache
  68. # [04:38] <@tbsaunde> not sure off hand
  69. # [04:39] <@surkov> well, you want to address a real problem but I'm not sure the approach is evident with me, maybe file a bug?
  70. # [04:40] <@tbsaunde> yeah
  71. # [04:40] <@tbsaunde> also, if we have big hash table to implement weak ref, but weak ref only saves some space for short time, did we win anything?
  72. # [04:41] <@tbsaunde> if we kill refcounting yes, but was that worth it I don't know
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  75. # [04:43] <@tbsaunde> so, I can file a bug, but more questions than answers.
  76. # [04:51] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 743143 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
  77. # [04:51] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743143 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, its crazy to have a hash map from pointers to themselves
  78. # [04:55] <@tbsaunde> ok, going to bed, probably see you in the morning
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  82. # [05:29] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from marco.zehe@googlema il.com for attachment 612634 on bug 739612.
  83. # [05:30] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739612 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, Cleanup A11y tests and test-suite organization
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  85. # [05:49] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted feedback for attachment 612634 on bug 739612.
  86. # [05:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739612 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, Cleanup A11y tests and test-suite organization
  87. # [06:23] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested feedback from surkov.alexander@ gmail.com for attachment 612792 on bug 740758.
  88. # [06:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740758 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, dexpcom nsAccessible::GetValue
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  92. # [06:44] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted feedback for attachment 612792 on bug 740758.
  93. # [06:44] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740758 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, dexpcom nsAccessible::GetValue
  94. # [06:50] <Mark_Capella> surkov: good lord how did you shred that code so fast ??? :)
  95. # [06:50] <Mark_Capella> (and thanks) !
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  99. # [07:13] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: yw, experience :)
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  125. # [15:50] <@tbsaunde> surkov: didn't you talk to smaug at some point aout using nsTypedSelection?
  126. # [15:51] <@surkov> tbsaunde: iirc no
  127. # [15:51] <@surkov> but what exactly?
  128. # [15:53] <@tbsaunde> surkov: just riping out some nsIDOMNode stuff from nsHypertextAccesible and needed to have an nsRange instead of a nsIDOMRange and the rabit whole goes on from there
  129. # [15:53] <@surkov> iirc I filed a bug for that or similar stuff
  130. # [15:54] <@tbsaunde> surkov: oh, hm?
  131. # [15:55] <@surkov> tbsaunde: bug 693933
  132. # [15:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=693933 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, nsFrameSelection::GetSelection() should return nsTypedSelection
  133. # [15:58] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok, interesting
  134. # [15:58] <@tbsaunde> looks like it'd be a bit of work since nsTypedSelection is just jamed into the cpp file
  135. # [16:09] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, that's probably worth to fix, but for the time being, I think I can just hit the problem with do_QueryObject
  136. # [16:10] <@surkov> tbsaunde: yep, it should be fixed
  137. # [16:10] <@surkov> I don't think it's hard to do though
  138. # [16:12] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, probably just moving stuff around
  139. # [16:12] <@surkov> right
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  145. # [16:58] <@davidb> hi all!
  146. # [16:58] <@davidb> hi surkov tbsaunde - just popping in to say hi
  147. # [16:58] <@davidb> i'm taking the day off since it is a holiday
  148. # [16:59] <@davidb> hi Mark_Capella
  149. # [16:59] <Mark_Capella> good morning davidb
  150. # [16:59] <Mark_Capella> You're planning a long Easter then?
  151. # [17:00] <@tbsaunde> davidb: hi
  152. # [17:01] <@tbsaunde> lazy candians ;-)
  153. # [17:01] <@davidb> Mark_Capella: trying
  154. # [17:01] <@davidb> heh
  155. # [17:01] <@tbsaunde> *canadians
  156. # [17:01] <@davidb> yet here i am - reading bugmail
  157. # [17:01] <@davidb> but i did just help put a dress on a doll
  158. # [17:01] <Mark_Capella> Forgot its Good Friday
  159. # [17:02] <@tbsaunde> yeah, I didn't realize it was eater weekend till this morning
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  161. # [17:02] <Mark_Capella> 8)
  162. # [17:02] <@davidb> eater weekend… i like that
  163. # [17:02] <@tbsaunde> davidb: jimm where did the multy threaded uia discussion up?
  164. # [17:03] <@tbsaunde> end up even
  165. # [17:03] <@davidb> oh!
  166. # [17:03] <@davidb> before i forget, note that some layout stuff might move off thread, i don't know if it will affect us, probably not
  167. # [17:04] <@davidb> surkov: ^
  168. # [17:04] <jimm> I've put that on the back burner for the time being. II've decided to bial on ms's UiaProviderFromIAccessible and write my own uia bridge. working on that now.
  169. # [17:04] <jimm> bial -> bail!
  170. # [17:04] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah, I think I saw that
  171. # [17:04] <@davidb> tbsaunde: yeah http://blog.mozilla.com/tglek/2012/04/05/snappy-apr-5-snappy-goals-for-q2/
  172. # [17:05] <@davidb> jimm: interesting
  173. # [17:05] <@tbsaunde> == davidb
  174. # [17:05] <@davidb> ok family time - have fun!
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  176. # [17:05] <@tbsaunde> jimm: as in using nsAccessible? that sounds great
  177. # [17:06] <jimm> davidb: yep. clean code btw. nice to work with.
  178. # [17:06] <jimm> on that subject, I'm having trouble getting nsIAccessibleEvent::EVENT_FOCUS events from the fennec ui
  179. # [17:06] <jimm> not sure what the cause is, wondering if it's something they did to their xul.
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  181. # [17:07] <jimm> I get most text related events though.
  182. # [17:07] <@tbsaunde> jimm: oddd, we fired those when nsFocusMnager tells us about focus / blur
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  185. # [17:08] <jimm> the fennec ui is a little weird, in chrome there's no caret displayed. I'm wondering if they've suppressed focus somehow.
  186. # [17:08] <jimm> I have a caret in html though.
  187. # [17:08] <@tbsaunde> jimm: maybe? no idea
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  189. # [17:10] <@tbsaunde> jimm: so, metro uses uia focus events for something?
  190. # [17:11] <jimm> metro uses uia for touch input displays. so for example, focus on a text edit -> focus manager -> accessible -> my bridge -> metro uia client -> soft keyboard comes up.
  191. # [17:13] <jimm> tbsaunde: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/hh465404.aspx
  192. # [17:13] <jimm> nice overview
  193. # [17:13] <@tbsaunde> ok, thx
  194. # [17:21] <jimm> ah here we go
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  203. # [18:57] <fxa90id> hello guys
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  207. # [19:46] <@tbsaunde> fxa90id: hi
  208. # [19:47] <fxa90id> I dont understand what surkov whats from me
  209. # [19:47] <fxa90id> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727722
  210. # [19:47] <@firebot> Bug 727722 nor, --, ---, michaljev, NEW, Create an accessible for HTML table row by frame
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  212. # [19:51] <@tbsaunde> fxa90id: ok, looking
  213. # [19:52] <fxa90id> there is no such code
  214. # [19:52] <fxa90id> in my patch :<
  215. # [19:52] <fxa90id> It was in old one
  216. # [19:55] <@tbsaunde> fxa90id: he wants you to remove the if block at nsAccessibilityService.cpp:1721
  217. # [19:58] <fxa90id> ah ok
  218. # [19:58] <fxa90id> sry
  219. # [20:36] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 739889 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  220. # [20:36] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com set the Resolution field on bug 739889 to FIXED.
  221. # [20:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739889 nor, --, mozilla14, markcapella, RESO FIXED, densify nsOuterDocAccessible
  222. # [20:36] <Mark_Capella> B) woohoo
  223. # [20:36] <fxa90id> 8) g
  224. # [20:36] <fxa90id> gz
  225. # [20:37] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 741398 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  226. # [20:37] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com set the Resolution field on bug 741398 to FIXED.
  227. # [20:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741398 nor, --, mozilla14, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, make ARIA state map extensible
  228. # [20:38] * ctalbert is now known as ctalbert|lunch
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  232. # [20:44] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 740696 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  233. # [20:44] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com set the Resolution field on bug 740696 to FIXED.
  234. # [20:44] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740696 nor, P1, mozilla14, hub, RESO FIXED, [Mac] we have children that are expired.
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  236. # [20:54] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 743114 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  237. # [20:54] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com set the Resolution field on bug 743114 to FIXED.
  238. # [20:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743114 nor, --, mozilla14, nobody, RESO FIXED, [Mac] regression: autocomplete should be ignored
  239. # [21:05] * jimm is now known as jimm-lunch
  240. # [21:14] <@tbsaunde> 6/j #jsapi
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  248. # [22:10] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Status on bug 742695 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  249. # [22:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=742695 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, densify nsARIAGrid
  250. # [22:17] <jimm> question for anyone around - how do you identify an nsIAccessible post receiving an event for one?
  251. # [22:20] <jimm> I guess I can use nsIPersistentProperties
  252. # [23:20] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Status on bug 741683 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  253. # [23:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741683 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, move nsAccessNode::ScrollTo to nsCoreUtils
  254. # Session Close: Sat Apr 07 00:00:01 2012

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