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  1. # Session Start: Wed Apr 11 00:00:01 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:26] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com denied review for attachment 613499 on bug 741681.
  4. # [00:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741681 nor, --, mozilla14, orangedaylily, NEW, replace nsAccessNode::GetPresContext by nsDocAccessible::PresContext
  5. # [00:26] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 741681 from mozilla14 to ---.
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  24. # [03:59] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 613845 on bug 743676.
  25. # [03:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743676 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, densify base/nsFormControlAccessible
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  29. # [05:00] <Mark_Capella> surkov: can you tell me the status of Bug741703?
  30. # [05:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741703 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, stop using QueryInterface in CAccessibleHypertext
  31. # [05:01] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: see comment #6
  32. # [05:01] <@surkov> you need to do a fix
  33. # [05:01] <Mark_Capella> surkov: ok ... you want me to go with it
  34. # [05:01] <@surkov> yep
  35. # [05:01] <Mark_Capella> why do you want the new function in the nsariamap.h header file?
  36. # [05:02] <Mark_Capella> and in a namespace for that matter .... ?
  37. # [05:39] <@tbsaunde> surkov: did you see ^?
  38. # [05:47] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: it's pure ARIA logic so it makes sense to keep as part of nsARIAMap, we are going to replace nsARIAMap by aria namespace
  39. # [05:49] <Mark_Capella> so Im wrapping the whole header file? Or just the new function?
  40. # [05:50] <@tbsaunde> surkov: btw, I won't have much time to look at stuff till tonight your time
  41. # [05:51] <@surkov> tbsaunde: ok
  42. # [05:51] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: just new function
  43. # [05:52] <@surkov> let's do transition by parts
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  46. # [06:34] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 613293 on bug 743680.
  47. # [06:34] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 613868 on bug 743680.
  48. # [06:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743680 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, don't export nsARIAMap.h
  49. # [06:44] <Mark_Capella> surkov: omigod :) what if I can't?
  50. # [06:44] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: remove that flag then :)
  51. # [06:45] <@surkov> I think it can be good first bug but somebody need to look how to fix it
  52. # [06:45] <Mark_Capella> ok! I was joking ... but I didn't think of that ... @least let me try .... :)
  53. # [06:46] <@surkov> cool, thanks!
  54. # [07:00] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com denied feedback for attachment 613665 on bug 743654.
  55. # [07:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743654 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, replace nsIWinAccessNode on static_cast<nsAccessibleWrap*>
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  58. # [07:42] * @surkov wonders how close that one day when Mark_Capella is going to get his L1
  59. # [07:42] <Mark_Capella> surkov: I have it !
  60. # [07:43] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: oh, really? so you can land your patches now?
  61. # [07:43] <@surkov> sounds like a great news
  62. # [07:43] <Mark_Capella> yah - but ive been using autoland for try .... you mean land my patchs for inbound?
  63. # [07:43] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: ah, that's callled L3
  64. # [07:44] * @surkov was confused with numbers
  65. # [07:44] <Mark_Capella> yah ... i can push to try thats about all
  66. # [07:44] <Mark_Capella> you did offer to vouch for me for L3 though ... i havent gotten that far yet
  67. # [07:45] <@surkov> yeah, maybe it makes sense to do?
  68. # [07:45] <@surkov> you produce too much patches
  69. # [07:45] <Mark_Capella> :) thats bad?
  70. # [07:45] <@surkov> tha'ts perfect
  71. # [07:45] <Mark_Capella> :D
  72. # [07:45] <@surkov> but that means 1) somebody needs to land them 2) you should make sure the latest patch include all nits
  73. # [07:46] <@surkov> so l3 for your can combine 1 and 2
  74. # [07:46] <@surkov> you just fix nits and do hg push that's simpler
  75. # [07:46] <@surkov> of course try sever before that :)
  76. # [07:46] <Mark_Capella> the hg push "lands" to where? see... i dont yet know the overall process
  77. # [07:47] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: it's well documented
  78. # [07:47] <Mark_Capella> yah ive seen it ... gotta go read it yet
  79. # [07:47] <@surkov> hg push lands on default repo, I use inbound as default repo for landing
  80. # [07:47] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: look atthe links we comment into the bug when we alnd patches :)
  81. # [07:48] <Mark_Capella> yup ... i should take a break when i get my patchs stable ... then go through that learning curve
  82. # [07:49] <Mark_Capella> close to a good time here ... only have a few left that I want to focus on and nail down .... then maybe try learn that stuff
  83. # [08:16] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted feedback for attachment 613845 on bug 743676.
  84. # [08:16] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743676 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, densify base/nsFormControlAccessible
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  230. # [10:28] <@firebot> nickyekaiqi@gmail.com requested feedback from the wind for attachment 613900 on bug 741702.
  231. # [10:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741702 nor, --, ---, nickyekaiqi, NEW, stop using QueryInterface in CAccessibleHyperlink
  232. # [10:32] <@firebot> jigneshhk1992@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 613717 on bug 741697.
  233. # [10:33] <@firebot> jigneshhk1992@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 613901 on bug 741697.
  234. # [10:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741697 nor, --, ---, jigneshhk1992, ASSI, dexpcomify CAccessibleComponent
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  239. # [10:47] <Mark_Capella> tbsaunde: I think you spoke with surkov regarding Bug 741703
  240. # [10:47] <Mark_Capella> I'm having trouble following the train of thought ... is the intention to add something like this to
  241. # [10:47] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741703 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, stop using QueryInterface in CAccessibleHypertext
  242. # [10:47] <Mark_Capella> nsariamap.h http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1563730 ?
  243. # [10:50] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: well, in very rough terms
  244. # [10:51] <@tbsaunde> IsTextRole() taking a nsRoleMapEntry* is funny
  245. # [10:52] <Mark_Capella> Yah ... To get it to compile I actually have to wrap it in mozilla and a11y and ara ... then it dies during lib build
  246. # [10:52] <@tbsaunde> I'd say passing in the role itself is nicer, but not sure
  247. # [10:53] <@tbsaunde> well, x doesn't work isn't very useful
  248. # [10:53] <@tbsaunde> either figure it out, or provide patch and build error
  249. # [10:54] <@tbsaunde> I'm not magic :)
  250. # [10:54] <Mark_Capella> Im not even sure why were deviating so far from what i had posted .... then making a new function, dragging it all the way backwards into
  251. # [10:54] <Mark_Capella> nsariamap.h ... calling instead of just performing the code
  252. # [10:54] <Mark_Capella> and so on
  253. # [10:55] <@tbsaunde> well, the fix needs to be correct
  254. # [10:56] <Mark_Capella> ill post a few questions / comments in the bug ... see if alex can explain a little better
  255. # [10:56] <@tbsaunde> I haven't thought about it too much, better to work it out with surkov
  256. # [10:56] <Mark_Capella> yah - agrees
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  258. # [11:08] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted feedback for attachment 613848 on bug 721001.
  259. # [11:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=721001 nor, P1, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] password entry fields not identified as such, entering password does not generate typical audi
  260. # [11:09] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com denied feedback for attachment 613830 on bug 718637.
  261. # [11:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718637 nor, P1, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] Firefox doesn't tell VoiceOver when a page has finished loading.
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  264. # [11:23] <nickc> Hi I have a question, what does this command do? nsCOMPtr<nsIWinAccessNode> winAccessNode(do_QueryObject(anchor));
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  275. # [12:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741702 nor, --, ---, nickyekaiqi, NEW, stop using QueryInterface in CAccessibleHyperlink
  276. # [12:58] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted feedback for attachment 613901 on bug 741697.
  277. # [12:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741697 nor, --, ---, jigneshhk1992, ASSI, dexpcomify CAccessibleComponent
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  285. # [13:38] <@askalski> hi everyone
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  287. # [13:40] <eeejay> hey askalski
  288. # [13:41] <@askalski> hi eeejay , how are you?
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  290. # [13:41] <eeejay> askalski: good, in an airport headed back to seattle
  291. # [13:41] <eeejay> testing a new irc setup with subway
  292. # [13:41] <eeejay> https://github.com/thedjpetersen/subway
  293. # [13:42] <@askalski> eeejay, cool. I lately set the k9 e-mail on android, and I started to like this devices very much
  294. # [13:42] <eeejay> it isn't there yet...
  295. # [13:42] <eeejay> nead
  296. # [13:42] <eeejay> t
  297. # [13:43] <eeejay> *sigh* i think i nuked my other irc setup too soon
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  299. # [13:54] <@firebot> jigneshhk1992@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 613901 on bug 741697.
  300. # [13:54] <@firebot> jigneshhk1992@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 613948 on bug 741697.
  301. # [13:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741697 nor, --, ---, jigneshhk1992, ASSI, dexpcomify CAccessibleComponent
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  303. # [14:03] <@firebot> nickyekaiqi@gmail.com requested feedback from the wind for attachment 613950 on bug 741702.
  304. # [14:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741702 nor, --, ---, nickyekaiqi, NEW, stop using QueryInterface in CAccessibleHyperlink
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  319. # [14:38] <@MarcoZ> Hi eeejay, askalski!
  320. # [14:39] <@askalski> MarcoZ, hi!
  321. # [14:39] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: So I suspect you won't be coming to the meeting.
  322. # [14:43] <@MarcoZ> (being at the airport :) )
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  328. # [15:11] <@tbsaunde> surkov: care what I look at first now that paper is done?
  329. # [15:12] <@surkov> tbsaunde: up to you
  330. # [15:13] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok
  331. # [15:20] <@tbsaunde> surkov: did you start looking at 741702's last patch yet?
  332. # [15:20] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Is it helpful at all if I flag patches that I've tested with the Feedback+ and Feedback- even if I wasn't specifically asked for it?
  333. # [15:20] <@MarcoZ> Or is it rather irritating and I shouldn't continue to do it?
  334. # [15:21] <@surkov> tbsaunde: nope
  335. # [15:21] <@surkov> MarcoZ: might be nice
  336. # [15:21] <@surkov> until the patch is interesting regardless it helps
  337. # [15:28] <@firebot> nickyekaiqi@gmail.com requested feedback from the wind for attachment 613967 on bug 743654.
  338. # [15:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743654 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, replace nsIWinAccessNode on static_cast<nsAccessibleWrap*>
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  343. # [15:32] <@davidb> hey hey
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  345. # [15:34] <@davidb> MarcoZ: did you use the template generator thing to create the meeting agenda?
  346. # [15:34] <@davidb> just curious'
  347. # [15:36] <@MarcoZ> davidb: No, I discovered it *after* I generated the page.
  348. # [15:36] <@MarcoZ> I used the awesome bar to find the URL for the last one and just adjusted the date.
  349. # [15:36] <@davidb> heh, that's probably easier
  350. # [15:36] <@davidb> anyways, I added a few topics
  351. # [15:37] <@MarcoZ> Does this template thing only create the page? Because I had to also enter the list item manually even when i clicked on the generator and it told me the page already existed.
  352. # [15:38] <@davidb> i don't recall exactly
  353. # [15:38] <@davidb> I copied it from platform
  354. # [15:39] <@davidb> the edit box thing
  355. # [15:39] <@davidb> it should automatically fill in only wednesdays
  356. # [15:39] <@MarcoZ> davidb: OIC.
  357. # [15:40] <@MarcoZ> davidb: The Yahoo! UI charts thing is very impressive. Keyboard nav and all relevant info for a point in the charts gets spoken via a live region. And it can do bars, pies, and all kinds of other charts.
  358. # [15:40] <@davidb> amazing
  359. # [15:40] <@davidb> I would probably know this if I was using Twitter again
  360. # [15:42] <@MarcoZ> Yeah, Victor and I tweeted about it late last night/early this morning. And I retweeted the YahooAccess tweet about it.
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  362. # [15:42] <@MarcoZ> For me, Twitter is definitely the no. 1 communication platform these days. Even comes before e-mail in many cases, esp for news and dev stuff.
  363. # [15:43] <@davidb> you are not alone
  364. # [15:43] <@MarcoZ> I know.
  365. # [15:43] <@davidb> I know you know… etc. :)
  366. # [15:48] <@MarcoZ> ;)
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  369. # [16:03] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Regarding bug 718637, should we try our contacts at Apple to see what VoiceOver is *really* listening for in Safari?
  370. # [16:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718637 nor, P1, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] Firefox doesn't tell VoiceOver when a page has finished loading.
  371. # [16:03] <@davidb> MarcoZ: sure, why not
  372. # [16:04] <@MarcoZ> OK, I'll shoot James Craig an e-mail to see if he can help us.
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  374. # [16:08] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled feedback? for attachment 613950 on bug 741702.
  375. # [16:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741702 nor, --, ---, nickyekaiqi, NEW, stop using QueryInterface in CAccessibleHyperlink
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  378. # [16:12] <@davidb> hi fer!
  379. # [16:12] <fer> hi davidb
  380. # [16:15] <@tbsaunde> surkov: so, when do you want to use QueryNativeInterface() to get mscom interfaces, and when not?
  381. # [16:16] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I wanna get rid QueryNativeInterface at all
  382. # [16:16] <@surkov> hi, fer
  383. # [16:16] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok, sounds nice
  384. # [16:17] <@tbsaunde> surkov: though making windows have seperate objects will solve that for us
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  387. # [16:17] <@surkov> tbsaunde: it won't happen automatically :)
  388. # [16:17] <@surkov> we just do that by parts
  389. # [16:17] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I just want to be careful we don't introduce problems where we call the wrong qi again
  390. # [16:18] <@surkov> tbsaunde: it makes sense to have AsIUknown perhaps
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  392. # [16:18] <@surkov> but anyway when we separate the trees then this potential problem will go away
  393. # [16:18] <@tbsaunde> surkov: sure, but getting rid of QueryNativeInterface() is sort of part of the seperate object work
  394. # [16:18] <fer> hi surkov!
  395. # [16:18] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, that seems reasonable
  396. # [16:19] <@surkov> tbsaunde: that depends if native object knows about MSAA object
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  398. # [16:19] <@tbsaunde> surkov: true, how else would we do it so native object doesn't know how to get a platform object?
  399. # [16:20] <jimm> anyone know if there's an accessible event related to an element losing focus?
  400. # [16:20] <@surkov> tbsaunde: weak refs and cache of MSAA objects
  401. # [16:20] <@surkov> jimm: no
  402. # [16:20] <jimm> ok
  403. # [16:21] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I guess we could do a cache, but I tend to think having the native object now about the platform object makes more sense perf wise
  404. # [16:21] <@surkov> well, then native object should know about any wrappers
  405. # [16:21] <@surkov> like MSAA, XPCOM
  406. # [16:22] <@surkov> I'm not sure about UIA implementation
  407. # [16:22] <@surkov> perhaps they need to know about them too
  408. # [16:22] <@tbsaunde> surkov: sure, if uia has a different object from msaa / ia2
  409. # [16:22] <@surkov> tbsaunde: it is
  410. # [16:22] <@surkov> and many objects I think, they are called patterns
  411. # [16:23] <@tbsaunde> any way some sort of PlatofrmObject9) and XPCOMObject() on accessibles seems good
  412. # [16:23] <@surkov> if we can't do that on the same object
  413. # [16:23] <@MarcoZ> ^^/me has never heard of a blur event in MSAA or such, only focus events.
  414. # [16:23] <@tbsaunde> surkov: patterns are just dressed up interfaces from what I see
  415. # [16:24] <@surkov> yep, they could share the same object
  416. # [16:24] <@tbsaunde> I'm not really sure if we can or can't put them on the same object or if we want to or not
  417. # [16:24] <jimm> MarcoZ: I'm trying to use accessible events for something it wasn't designed for unfortunately.
  418. # [16:24] <jimm> we need a uia adapter to make this metro stuff work right.
  419. # [16:25] <jimm> speaking of which, how deeply have we looked at doing that?
  420. # [16:25] <@tbsaunde> jimm: wht, implementing uia?
  421. # [16:26] <jimm> yeah
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  423. # [16:26] <@tbsaunde> jimm: not terribly I think, we've talked about it and decided we should probably do it
  424. # [16:27] <@tbsaunde> but I can't think of many people who'd be good for working on it
  425. # [16:28] <@tbsaunde> I don't have time for a couple months to write it, but I can probably ddo reviews / advise, surkov and davidb are of course busy too
  426. # [16:28] <@tbsaunde> we might get jhk workingon it for gsoc
  427. # [16:28] <@tbsaunde> but that might well be too little too late
  428. # [16:28] <@surkov> tbsaunde: jimm working on native uia implementation
  429. # [16:28] <jimm> gsoc?
  430. # [16:29] <@surkov> google summer code
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  433. # [16:29] <jimm> i've only touched a few interfaces and a patterns like ITextProvider and ITextRange.
  434. # [16:30] <@askalski> meeting in 8 minutes?
  435. # [16:30] <jimm> but it looks like a ton of work to do it right
  436. # [16:30] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, I assumed jimm meant people other than himself
  437. # [16:30] <@davidb> askalski: yes
  438. # [16:31] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I meant jimm is looking at the problem from different angle because we were going to try IAccessibleEx approach
  439. # [16:32] <jimm> surkov: that's a possibility although I don't know if adding that will fix the auto uia wrap generator.
  440. # [16:32] <jimm> I wasn'
  441. # [16:32] <jimm> t able to get that working with our current msaa interfaces.
  442. # [16:32] <@askalski> btw, is there a way I can force android devices to share application settings?
  443. # [16:33] <@askalski> do you mind if my image will be flipped :D? I dont know how to setup camera
  444. # [16:34] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, I saw that was the plan with jhk, but was never really decided if I liked that way better than a native uia impl
  445. # [16:34] <@hub> askalski: what if you flip the device?
  446. # [16:34] <@surkov> tbsaunde: it seems more complicated, only one reason
  447. # [16:34] <@askalski> hub, its a tablet with keyboard, i prefer it standing the right way :D
  448. # [16:34] <@askalski> oh
  449. # [16:34] <@hub> askalski: remove the keyboard, problem solved
  450. # [16:34] <@askalski> it flips with the device the wrong way anyway
  451. # [16:34] <@surkov> hub, btw, thank you for those landings
  452. # [16:35] <@askalski> vidyo fail :D
  453. # [16:35] <@hub> surkov: np
  454. # [16:35] <@hub> askalski: file a bug for IT
  455. # [16:35] * @davidb finds a room
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  458. # [16:38] <@askalski> we are having a ninja conference!
  459. # [16:38] <@davidb> surkov: vidyo?
  460. # [16:39] <@davidb> eeejay? ^
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  518. # [17:16] <@davidb> askalski: oops did you want me to stay on?
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  520. # [17:16] <@askalski> davidb, no problem
  521. # [17:16] <@davidb> ok
  522. # [17:16] <@askalski> davidb, just tell me where I can find on bugzilla
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  524. # [17:17] <@askalski> davidb, the conversation about policy change
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  529. # [17:17] * davidb sets mode: +b Radium!*@*
  530. # [17:17] <@askalski> davidb, I would like to read it and possibly make a point (if no one raised the issue of security)
  531. # [17:18] <@davidb> askalski: http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.platform/browse_thread/thread/5adc3092209cad86#
  532. # [17:18] <@tbsaunde> askalski: just look for the google groups archive for dev-platform
  533. # [17:19] <@tbsaunde> askalski: though I don't really think there's any ecurity concerns here
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  535. # [17:21] <@askalski> tbsaunde, well I will think about it before posting, but generally while writing a web browser people trust a lot we need to have in mind a responsibility in landing patches. People giving a green light should really be very competent on the code they're modifying.
  536. # [17:22] <@davidb> askalski: the tricky part is the very competent people that aren't a peer of a specific module.
  537. # [17:22] <@askalski> tbsaunde, I am meaning the security of process of patching stuff
  538. # [17:22] <@askalski> davidb, then maybe we should whitelist them instead of "all good" policy?
  539. # [17:23] <@davidb> yep
  540. # [17:23] <@tbsaunde> askalski: all of the security of the system is in not giving bad people committ access, and to some degree in people who read the patches that land on m-c
  541. # [17:23] <@askalski> davidb, or they should be whitelisted by module owners
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  543. # [17:23] <@davidb> we could have a "core trusted" module
  544. # [17:23] <@davidb> but with a diff name
  545. # [17:23] <@tbsaunde> I tend to think its a solution looking for a problem
  546. # [17:24] <@davidb> tbsaunde: I think that's valid.
  547. # [17:24] <@davidb> what you say.
  548. # [17:24] <@davidb> I am curious about how people can be more cross-team though.
  549. # [17:24] <@askalski> I need to read more before doing any statements
  550. # [17:25] <@askalski> ok, I need to take several hour break now, I will see you later today
  551. # [17:25] <@askalski> bye
  552. # [17:25] <@davidb> ciao
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  555. # [17:28] * @davidb should post his telem patch soon
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  557. # [17:29] <@firebot> New Firefox - Keyboard Navigation bug 744416 filed by jhford@mozilla.com.
  558. # [17:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744416 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, having the find bar exposed changes cmd+down arrow behaviour
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  560. # [17:44] <@firebot> nickyekaiqi@gmail.com cancelled feedback? for attachment 613967 on bug 743654.
  561. # [17:44] <@firebot> nickyekaiqi@gmail.com denied feedback for attachment 614012 on bug 743654.
  562. # [17:44] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743654 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, replace nsIWinAccessNode on static_cast<nsAccessibleWrap*>
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  564. # [17:48] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 614014 on bug 729154.
  565. # [17:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=729154 nor, --, ---, dbolter, NEW, Telemetry for a11y instantiation by unknown cause.
  566. # [17:48] * @davidb --> eeejay's patch
  567. # [17:49] <@firebot> nickyekaiqi@gmail.com denied feedback for attachment 614015 on bug 741702.
  568. # [17:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741702 nor, --, ---, nickyekaiqi, NEW, stop using QueryInterface in CAccessibleHyperlink
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  571. # [17:57] <@davidb> MarcoZ: when Inspect is invoked, there is a special status bar, do you navigate to that? It has the mouse mode button, and a bunch of other buttons
  572. # [17:58] <@davidb> I don't know how to keyboard nav to it.
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  574. # [18:05] <@hub> davidb: blast from the past. I didn't know I had that bugzilla accouht...
  575. # [18:05] <@hub> davidb: invalid address since 1999
  576. # [18:07] <@tbsaunde> davidb: btw, if you want to know when stuff has been changed a module why should someone poke you when you can just read hg log accessible/ ?
  577. # [18:07] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 613848 on bug 721001.
  578. # [18:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=721001 nor, P1, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] password entry fields not identified as such, entering password does not generate typical audi
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  580. # [18:23] <@firebot> nickyekaiqi@gmail.com requested feedback from the wind for attachment 614012 on bug 743654.
  581. # [18:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743654 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, replace nsIWinAccessNode on static_cast<nsAccessibleWrap*>
  582. # [18:24] <@firebot> nickyekaiqi@gmail.com requested feedback from the wind for attachment 614015 on bug 741702.
  583. # [18:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741702 nor, --, ---, nickyekaiqi, NEW, stop using QueryInterface in CAccessibleHyperlink
  584. # [18:27] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 741683 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  585. # [18:27] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com set the Resolution field on bug 741683 to FIXED.
  586. # [18:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741683 nor, --, mozilla14, markcapella, RESO FIXED, move nsAccessNode::ScrollTo to nsCoreUtils
  587. # [18:28] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 741707 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  588. # [18:28] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com set the Resolution field on bug 741707 to FIXED.
  589. # [18:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741707 nor, --, mozilla14, markcapella, RESO FIXED, rm unused a11y CIDs
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  595. # [18:44] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741681 nor, --, ---, orangedaylily, RESO FIXED, replace nsAccessNode::GetPresContext by nsDocAccessible::PresContext
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  600. # [18:45] <@firebot> leofigueres@yahoo.com requested review from Sevenspade@gmail.co m for attachment 614034 on bug 346854.
  601. # [18:45] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346854 nor, --, Firefox 3 alpha1, leofigueres, NEW, DOM Inspector, Inspect URL dialog accessibility issues
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  604. # [19:10] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Oh, I was looking in the toolbars, not the status bars for the inspect button and didn't find it. Let me look.
  605. # [19:13] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Ok, this button *has* an accessibility label which says "Select element with mouse (return)".
  606. # [19:13] <@davidb> great
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  608. # [19:13] <@davidb> MarcoZ: how do you get to it?
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  610. # [19:14] <@MarcoZ> davidb: There are several more, 8 items in total, and the third from the right is not labelled. The right-most is "close", the one to the left of that is "Style", and the third is unlabelled.
  611. # [19:14] <@MarcoZ> davidb|mtg: By NVDA's object navigator and then pulling the mouse there and clicking. No keyboard way.
  612. # [19:15] <@davidb|mtg> ok we need to make sure we file bugs for keyboard nav, unless already filed - i think there is one
  613. # [19:15] <@davidb|mtg> MarcoZ: if you are happy with label, please report/close whatever on that label bug :)
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  615. # [19:19] <@MarcoZ> davidb|mtg: Oh wait, there *is* a way, at least to get to part of the inspector. But I still don't understand how this feature works.
  616. # [19:19] <@MarcoZ> davidb|mtg: Press CTRL+L to go to awesome bar, then shift tab until you jump into the toolbar.
  617. # [19:20] <@MarcoZ> davidb|mtg: However, the buttons seem to indicate the path from the original html element to the current element, whatever that might be. And if I press any of those buttons, I do not get any feedback or any indication that something changed somewhere else. Like I said, I probably don't understand the feature at all.
  618. # [19:20] <@MarcoZ> It is unlike the feature in Firebug where i could inspect elements properly via tree views.
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  620. # [19:29] <@MarcoZ> davidb|mtg: Still need me? Or can I go off for the evening?
  621. # [19:29] <@davidb|mtg> have a nice night
  622. # [19:29] <@davidb|mtg> MarcoZ: did you update the bug?
  623. # [19:30] <@MarcoZ> davidb|mtg: I did.
  624. # [19:30] <@davidb|mtg> groovy
  625. # [19:31] <@MarcoZ> Good night!
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  633. # [20:24] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 613948 on bug 741697.
  634. # [20:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741697 nor, --, ---, jigneshhk1992, ASSI, dexpcomify CAccessibleComponent
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  639. # [20:49] * @tbsaunde decides that falling asleep while comment on a patch means its time for a nap
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  642. # [20:50] <@tbsaunde> davidb: what is // ZZZ supposed to mean?
  643. # [20:51] <@davidb> tbsaunde: oh… that's cruft
  644. # [20:52] <@hub> so I have a simcard for my b2g phone now
  645. # [20:53] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ok
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  649. # [20:57] <@hub> uh, on gtk-devel there is a thread about a11y in Gtk on Windows
  650. # [21:18] <jlin> hub: does that sim work with b2g for dialing??
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  652. # [21:42] <@hub> jlin: yep. 7-eleven
  653. # [21:42] <@hub> jlin: but I have no idea how to configure the APN for data
  654. # [21:43] <jlin> that's interesting - so at least the dialer portion works! that's good news
  655. # [21:43] <@hub> jlin: as soon as I activated the SIM I got a text
  656. # [21:43] <@hub> and the dialer needed to work to activate.
  657. # [21:43] <@hub> dialed my own phone
  658. # [21:43] <@hub> and 611
  659. # [21:53] <@firebot> New Firefox - Keyboard Navigation bug 744544 filed by shanebundy4@gmail.com.
  660. # [21:53] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744544 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, YouTube Steals Keyboard Focus
  661. # [21:55] <@firebot> kbrosnan@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 744544 from UNCONFIRMED to RESOLVED.
  662. # [21:55] <@firebot> kbrosnan@mozilla.com set the Resolution field on bug 744544 to DUPLICATE of bug 78414.
  663. # [21:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78414 maj, --, ---, joshmoz, NEW, Application shortcut keys (keyboard commands such as f11, ctrl+t, ctrl+r) fail to operate when plug-
  664. # [21:58] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 613709 on bug 739498.
  665. # [21:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739498 nor, --, ---, eitan, NEW, Add Javascript layer for mobile accessibility
  666. # [22:02] <@firebot> xph9753@yahoo.de changed the Status on bug 739191 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  667. # [22:02] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739191 nor, --, ---, xph9753, ASSI, get rid nsAccUtils::GetDocAccessibleFor(const nsIPresShell* aPresShell)
  668. # [22:07] <@firebot> shanebundy4@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 744544 from RESOLVED to UNCONFIRMED.
  669. # [22:07] <@firebot> shanebundy4@gmail.com cleared the Resolution 'DUPLICATE' from bug 744544.
  670. # [22:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744544 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, YouTube Steals Keyboard Focus
  671. # [22:28] <@davidb> hub: neato!
  672. # [22:30] <Mark_Capella> . o O ( groovy? neat-o? )
  673. # [22:31] <Mark_Capella> i sense a theme here
  674. # [22:32] <@hub> and with a 647 number :-)
  675. # [22:40] <@davidb> Mark_Capella: the theme is that I live in the past :)
  676. # [22:40] <Mark_Capella> :P
  677. # [22:40] <Mark_Capella> you're giving away your age... ?
  678. # [22:41] <@davidb> Yes, really cheap… want some?
  679. # [22:42] <Mark_Capella> i lean towards the tubular
  680. # [22:43] <Mark_Capella> totally
  681. # [22:43] <@davidb> like totally
  682. # [22:43] <Mark_Capella> with a touch of bitchin
  683. # [22:44] <Mark_Capella> :)
  684. # [22:44] <@davidb> fresh
  685. # [22:44] <Mark_Capella> my sister does gnarly
  686. # [22:44] <Mark_Capella> but i digest
  687. # [22:44] <@davidb> heh
  688. # [22:45] <@davidb> i must commute
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  690. # [22:45] <Mark_Capella> quittin time?
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  692. # [22:50] <@hub> Mark_Capella: eastern timezoners...
  693. # [22:50] <@hub> :-)
  694. # [22:50] <Mark_Capella> i thinl its more of an employee think ... im EST also but as a contributor I have no life :p
  695. # [22:51] <Mark_Capella> and can't type
  696. # [22:51] <@hub> yeah that too
  697. # [22:52] <@hub> he'll be back... after hours
  698. # [22:52] <@hub> unless life takes over
  699. # [22:52] <@hub> Mark_Capella: were are you located?
  700. # [22:52] <@hub> s/were/where/
  701. # [22:52] <Mark_Capella> hub: hay? a couple patches you pushed for me came down in multiple changesets ... ?
  702. # [22:52] <Mark_Capella> (is in Upstate NY)
  703. # [22:53] <@hub> Mark_Capella: pushed to inbound, then moved to central
  704. # [22:53] <@hub> it is all good
  705. # [22:53] <Mark_Capella> they worked ok ... so whatever i guess
  706. # [22:54] <@hub> I also had to back them out because of a 3rd patch in the middle breaking windows
  707. # [22:54] <@hub> the policy is to backout the whole push
  708. # [22:54] <Mark_Capella> i saw that ... how do you break winDOHs
  709. # [22:54] <@hub> by not building on Windows
  710. # [22:54] <@hub> :-D
  711. # [22:54] <@hub> my fault, I didn't push to try
  712. # [22:55] <Mark_Capella> o i c...
  713. # [22:55] <@hub> but no worries, your patches are in
  714. # [22:55] <@hub> for good
  715. # [22:55] <Mark_Capella> yah!
  716. # [22:55] <@hub> keep them coming
  717. # [22:55] <@hub> :-)
  718. # [23:17] <@hub> oh b2g has already some accessibility: inverting colors
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