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  1. # Session Start: Wed Apr 18 00:00:01 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  4. # [00:23] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 746358 filed by hub@mozilla.com.
  5. # [00:23] <@firebot> Bug 746358 was not found.
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  7. # [00:29] <@hub> Bug 746358
  8. # [00:47] * @eeejay waves at Bryen
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  18. # [02:05] <@tbsaunde> hub: the discussion in #developers may interest you, it looks like a=NPOTB is ok
  19. # [02:08] * Bryen waves at eeejay
  20. # [02:08] <@eeejay> yo Bryen
  21. # [02:09] <Bryen> eeejay, still in Seattle or off to Israel already?
  22. # [02:10] <@hub> tbsaunde: ok
  23. # [02:10] <@hub> thanks
  24. # [02:12] <@eeejay> Bryen, just got back from Israel. in Seattle now
  25. # [02:12] <@tbsaunde> hub: np
  26. # [02:14] <Bryen> eeejay, and I'll be cruising thru Seattle next weekend :-) Hope you will make it to LFNW. Would love for you to join my a11y talk and give a brief demo on Accerciser during the talk
  27. # [02:14] * Bryen is shameless at recruiting folks :-)
  28. # [02:14] <@eeejay> Bryen, stop in Seattle, and I will buy you a drink
  29. # [02:15] <@eeejay> Bryen, you traveling with an interpreter?
  30. # [02:15] <Bryen> eeejay, Not for Seattle. You can't walk with a cane without tripping over interpreters there :-)
  31. # [02:16] <@eeejay> Bryen, i sometimes trip over them while texting
  32. # [02:16] <Bryen> I'll be in Seattle after LFNW Monday, April 30th. Staying at Roosevelt hotel. Maybe we can have an early dinner or something
  33. # [02:17] <@eeejay> Bryen, perfect
  34. # [02:17] <Bryen> eeejay, let me email you next week with my exact plans and we'll go from there
  35. # [02:17] <@eeejay> Bryen, sounds good. good luck at lfnw
  36. # [02:18] <Bryen> thanks!
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  42. # [03:21] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com cancelled approval-mozilla-central? for attachment 615491 on bug 712924.
  43. # [03:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712924 nor, P2, mozilla14, hub, NEW, [Mac] li elements inside an ul element are announced as "list box"
  44. # [03:36] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 745982 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  45. # [03:36] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 745982 to FIXED.
  46. # [03:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745982 nor, --, mozilla14, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Move BORDER_PADDING to VisualPresenter
  47. # [03:36] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 745981 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  48. # [03:36] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 745981 to FIXED.
  49. # [03:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745981 nor, --, mozilla14, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Switching to a tab without a set virtual cursor raises an error
  50. # [03:36] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 746164 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  51. # [03:36] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 746164 to FIXED.
  52. # [03:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746164 nor, --, mozilla14, marco.zehe, ASSI, Failure for the shortcut keys in actions/test_keys.html b/accessible/tests/mochitest/actions/test_ke
  53. # [03:36] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 746168 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  54. # [03:37] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 746168 to FIXED.
  55. # [03:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746168 nor, --, mozilla14, marco.zehe, RESO FIXED, Wrong font referenced in attributes/test_text.html for the cursive test
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  64. # [04:37] <@surkov> eeejay: ping
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  88. # [08:15] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 746484 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  89. # [08:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746484 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, text attributes concept don't get mapped well to nsIPersistentProperties
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  98. # [09:07] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 615642 on bug 740747.
  99. # [09:07] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 616032 on bug 740747.
  100. # [09:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740747 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, dexpcom nsAccessible::GetName
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  115. # [11:03] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Hi! You were right, the patch of bug 746164 had an error in it that seems to have to do with UTF-8 coding that my editor didn't keep. :(
  116. # [11:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746164 nor, --, mozilla14, marco.zehe, RESO FIXED, Failure for the shortcut keys in actions/test_keys.html b/accessible/tests/mochitest/actions/test_ke
  117. # [11:04] <@surkov> MarcoZ: hi, ok
  118. # [11:04] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Will push this as a bustage fix.
  119. # [11:05] <@MarcoZ> Doesn't impact any actual testing anyway.
  120. # [11:05] <@surkov> yep, thanks!
  121. # [11:14] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Now this is getting weird. I'm getting the same character as the character for "control" in both an original file from before the patch, and the patched file, if I view the file in UTF-8. I get ⌃ both times.
  122. # [11:14] <@MarcoZ> And yet the character seems to be different.
  123. # [11:17] <@MarcoZ> In the report, it's , but in both versions of the file, before bug 746164 and after, it's the other one. I'll try this one and see what happens.
  124. # [11:17] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746164 nor, --, mozilla14, marco.zehe, RESO FIXED, Failure for the shortcut keys in actions/test_keys.html b/accessible/tests/mochitest/actions/test_ke
  125. # [11:18] <@MarcoZ> , that is.
  126. # [11:18] <@MarcoZ> Ah, the chat filters it out.
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  135. # [12:51] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Seems to still not be correct, even though the strings I now get as the "got" and "expected" ones are identical. Very very strange.
  136. # [12:52] <@MarcoZ> Anyway, will get back to this later, will now file new bugs for further test failures after disabling the others.
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  139. # [12:52] <@surkov> ok
  140. # [12:53] <@surkov> do you get failure on your machine?
  141. # [12:59] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Yes, with turned off VoiceOver.
  142. # [12:59] <@surkov> MarcoZ: after failure you could try to turn on vo and copy got character and insert it into code
  143. # [12:59] <@MarcoZ> But perhaps I should just let the tests run on Tinderbox in the accessibility branch and get the failures from there?
  144. # [13:00] <@MarcoZ> surkov: That's exactly what I did.
  145. # [13:00] <@surkov> hm
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  169. # [15:04] <Mark_Capella> hmmmm ... may have got the mentor wrong
  170. # [15:05] <Mark_Capella> eeejay: thought you were the mentor on that one
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  179. # [15:27] <@MarcoZ> Hi davidb!
  180. # [15:27] <@MarcoZ> Hi all, for that matter! :)
  181. # [15:27] <@davidb> Hi!
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  188. # [16:01] <Mark_Capella> davidb: thanks! I'm wearing the coooolest t-shirt this am.... B)
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  196. # [16:23] <@davidb> MarcoZ: did you send out a meeting cancellation?
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  200. # [16:48] <@tbsaunde|afk> davidb: not that I saw
  201. # [16:49] <@davidb> ok i'll send one
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  203. # [16:54] <@tbsaunde> so, we run mochitest-a11y on osx debug on the accessibility tree right? any idea why it doesn't have all these test failures?
  204. # [16:57] <@davidb> tbsaunde: I don't see them running on debug anymore
  205. # [16:59] <@davidb> MarcoZ: I sent a cancellation
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  213. # [17:07] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Thanks! Sorry, I totally forgot to send it. Was caught up in working through the Mac a11y tests.
  214. # [17:08] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde: Ever since we re-cloned the repo, and found that the tests weren't starting at all on OS X any more, we disabled a11y on the accessibility branch.
  215. # [17:08] <@MarcoZ> Now, I do see them running through, just with timeouts and failures. So, I'm currently working through them, fixing/disabling tests to get a clean test run.
  216. # [17:08] <@tbsaunde> MarcoZ: that isn't what I remember from staring
  217. # [17:09] <@tbsaunde> *starring
  218. # [17:09] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde: There was an issue where the tests didn't run at all on OS X builds. They simply started, then the whole suite timed out. Anyway a11y on OS X is disabled on OS X now, and we have a number of failing tests.
  219. # [17:10] <@tbsaunde> MarcoZ: iirc that was on opt since we we'ren't building a11y there
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  222. # [17:19] <@tbsaunde> MarcoZ: fwiw tbpl claims we run mochitest-a11y on the accessibility branch
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  224. # [17:22] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde: And we pass?
  225. # [17:23] <@MarcoZ> daviDo you know how to get the symbol that Mac apps use to show the ctrl key, e. g. when displaying a shortcut in the menus? For example, in VMware Fusion, under View, the shortcut for "Full Screen" is CMD+Control+F, but Apple displays CMD and Control as symbolic chars.
  226. # [17:28] <@MarcoZ> OK found them.
  227. # [17:29] <@MarcoZ> Let's see if that fixes it.
  228. # [17:30] <@tbsaunde> MarcoZ: not on your last push, but I didn't look to see why
  229. # [17:31] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde: I suspect we didn't pass at all for ages.
  230. # [17:32] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde: I got these test failures reproducibly.
  231. # [17:32] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde: and btw I didn't enable a11y on the accessibility branch explicitly.
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  233. # [17:45] <icaaq> Have firefox any plans on providing keyboard navigation for landmarks?
  234. # [17:51] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: Not in the core product right now, but it is available as an extension IIRC.
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  269. # [20:54] <@hub> is it me or I have to change both Role.h and the nsIAccessibleRole.idl ?
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  274. # [21:16] <@tbsaunde> hub: there's a couple places you need to change
  275. # [21:16] <@tbsaunde> Role.h nsIAccessibleRole.idl nsAccessibilityService.cpp */nsRoleMap.h and I think eeejay added another one
  276. # [21:17] <@eeejay> hub, what are you adding?
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  278. # [21:19] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: I assume he's working on the follow up to bug 718924
  279. # [21:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718924 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Firefox crashes, but crash reports aren't sent.
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  285. # [21:34] <@davidb> and back
  286. # [21:38] <@davidb> khuey|away: can bug 728429 have any affect on injected dlls?
  287. # [21:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=728429 nor, --, mozilla13, khuey, RESO FIXED, Mandatory ASLR on Windows for binary components
  288. # [21:39] <@hub> tbsaunde: working on 746358
  289. # [21:39] <@hub> yeah but why so many places? *sigh*
  290. # [21:39] <@hub> anyway, I'll submit patch for feedback first. I need to finish fixing the mochitest
  291. # [21:41] <@hub> there is one place in role.js
  292. # [21:41] <@hub> bad news: I break the mochitests
  293. # [21:41] <@hub> good news: I break the mochitests
  294. # [21:41] <@hub> :-)
  295. # [21:41] <@hub> (yes, I'll fix them too)
  296. # [21:42] <@davidb> doing their job :)
  297. # [21:43] <@hub> exactly, hence the good news :-)
  298. # [21:45] <@tbsaunde> hub: askalski should be making that a bit better
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  300. # [21:47] <@tbsaunde> but really because we need the different hings for things and nobody has cycles or cares enough to think of a great solution
  301. # [21:51] <@davidb> tbsaunde: hmm?
  302. # [21:56] <@hub> davidb: it is following a conversation that started when you were away, about the Roles
  303. # [21:56] <@hub> as I have to modify more than one file to add them
  304. # [21:56] <@davidb> ah
  305. # [21:56] <@davidb> it does smell funny
  306. # [21:57] <@eeejay> it's effed up
  307. # [21:58] <@tbsaunde> patches welcome ;-)
  308. # [21:59] <@hub> passes
  309. # [21:59] <@hub> mochitest
  310. # [21:59] <@hub> on my copious spare time™
  311. # [22:00] <@hub> :-D
  312. # [22:00] <@hub> time to push to try :-D
  313. # [22:01] <@hub> to see if I blow windows up or not
  314. # [22:29] <@davidb> tbsaunde: lol
  315. # [22:29] <@davidb> tbsaunde: can you give me the coles notes on why we can't define them in one place?
  316. # [22:29] <@davidb> hub: is that a success criteria?
  317. # [22:29] <@davidb> ;)
  318. # [22:30] <@hub> davidb: I guess so. the build sheriffs seems to think so
  319. # [22:30] <@hub> also I'll hold that one to after the uplift anyway
  320. # [22:33] <@tbsaunde> hub: ?
  321. # [22:34] <@tbsaunde> davidb: well the xpcom ones need to be in the idl file so we can expose them to js, but faik askalski was working on putting most of the rest of them in one place
  322. # [22:35] <@tbsaunde> hub: oh, yeah, the role thing might as well wait
  323. # [22:35] <@davidb> hmm
  324. # [22:35] <@hub> uplift is on the 24
  325. # [22:35] <@hub> I'll be away starting tomorrow, returning on Monday
  326. # [22:35] <@hub> (23rd)
  327. # [22:35] <@hub> so...
  328. # [22:36] <@davidb> i understand the idl thing but i'm not certain we can't find another way to expose to js
  329. # [22:36] <@hub> davidb: Roles.h should be generated from the idl. or something :-)
  330. # [22:36] <@hub> "generated" <- note the quote
  331. # [22:37] <@davidb> yesh
  332. # [22:37] <@hub> anyway
  333. # [22:46] <@hub> btw Role.h says "Note: Make sure to update the localized role names when changing the list."
  334. # [22:46] <@hub> but which file is that?
  335. # [22:46] <@hub> *sigh*
  336. # [22:48] <@tbsaunde> hub: I'd expect the stuff in dom/locales/
  337. # [22:48] * @tbsaunde curses his wireless connection
  338. # [22:49] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I can't think of an obvious one, and can think of more important problems so *shrug*
  339. # [22:52] <@hub> if only the comment said which one
  340. # [22:52] <@hub> *sigh*
  341. # [22:53] <@davidb> tbsaunde: ok, probably not worth my looking then
  342. # [22:54] <@hub> eeejay: Role.h says "Note: Make sure to update the localized role names when changing the list." which file is it?
  343. # [22:54] <@hub> (you committed that comment)
  344. # [22:55] <@davidb> hub: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/accessible/src/jsat/UtteranceGenerator.jsm#16
  345. # [22:55] <@hub> oh
  346. # [22:55] <@hub> AccessFu
  347. # [22:56] <@davidb> yeah not sure exactly where though
  348. # [22:57] <@hub> and then which string does what
  349. # [22:57] <@hub> *sigh*
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  351. # [22:58] <khuey> davidb: it can't prevent them
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  353. # [23:04] <@davidb> ok thanks
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  355. # [23:19] <@eeejay> hub, AccessFu.properties
  356. # [23:20] <@hub> I found that in the end
  357. # [23:20] <@hub> but where to I match a string with a role
  358. # [23:21] <@hub> eeejay: 'cause roles are numerical constants
  359. # [23:23] <@eeejay> hub, they are in nsAccessibilityService.h :P
  360. # [23:24] <@hub> *sigh*
  361. # [23:25] <@hub> I see now
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