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  1. # Session Start: Mon Apr 23 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:13] <satdav> has anyone seen ken about
  4. # [00:13] <satdav> firebot bug 746251
  5. # [00:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746251 nor, --, 2.4, bmo2010, NEW, Add mozilla.accessibility to https://www.mozilla.org/access/
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  21. # [03:10] <@tbsaunde> surkov: hi
  22. # [03:10] <@surkov> tbsaunde: hi
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  43. # [06:57] <@tbsaunde> surkov: how are reviews going? want help with any?
  44. # [06:58] <@surkov> I have a bunch, nothing looks complicated
  45. # [07:00] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, I don't think anything is
  46. # [07:01] <@tbsaunde> but I assume your plate is full, and I don't think you were very active at the end of last week
  47. # [07:01] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 445510 from RESOLVED to REOPENED.
  48. # [07:01] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cleared the Resolution 'INVALID' from bug 445510.
  49. # [07:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=445510 nor, --, ---, nobody, REOP, Support ARIA-based text attributes
  50. # [07:01] <@surkov> yep, that's right, I'm still digging through mails
  51. # [07:02] <@tbsaunde> ok, I basically took last 4 days off too
  52. # [07:03] <@tbsaunde> I'll walk home then, but be around in a bit if you think of stuff you want off your plate
  53. # [07:03] <@surkov> tbsaunde: ok, I'll redirect some requests to you then :)
  54. # [07:05] <@surkov> tbsaunde: some bugs don't have review requests like this one bug 739568. wanna look at the patch?
  55. # [07:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739568 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, nsXULTreeGridRowAccesible should cache its kids as nsXULTreeGridCellAccessibles not generic accessib
  56. # [07:29] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok, one minute
  57. # [07:37] <@surkov> I did some commenting
  58. # [07:43] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, I saw, but I think you missed a place where a do_QO() could go away
  59. # [07:44] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I didn't read the whole patch, perhaps half of it (too many nits)
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  61. # [07:46] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, I was reading to see if idea was correct
  62. # [07:46] <@surkov> ok
  63. # [07:47] <@surkov> your approach is fair :)
  64. # [07:47] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 616204 on bug 718690.
  65. # [07:47] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718690 nor, P2, ---, nobody, NEW, [Mac] Various form element states not communicated to VoiceOver
  66. # [08:10] <@tbsaunde> surkov: any chance your work on state perf will let us use something less heavy than State() to see if things are invalid / read only?
  67. # [08:10] <@surkov> it should
  68. # [08:10] <@tbsaunde> ok, good, that made me a little sad
  69. # [08:12] <@surkov> tbsaunde: it'd be nice it you comment bug 570785
  70. # [08:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=570785 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, Add about:memory report for our accessibility cache
  71. # [08:14] <@tbsaunde> sure
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  75. # [09:27] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from marco.zehe@googlema il.com for attachment 616549 on bug 559759.
  76. # [09:27] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted feedback for attachment 616549 on bug 559759.
  77. # [09:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=559759 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, add a11y mochitests for <input type="email">
  78. # [09:50] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 616550 on bug 563862.
  79. # [09:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=563862 nor, --, ---, dbolter, NEW, Expand support for nsIAccessibleEvent::OBJECT_ATTRIBUTE_CHANGED
  80. # [09:53] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 733848 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  81. # [09:53] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 733848 to FIXED.
  82. # [09:53] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733848 nor, --, mozilla14, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, Intermittent failures in a11y/accessible/name/test_markup.html | Can't get accessible for [object HT
  83. # [09:57] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 609305 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  84. # [09:57] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 609305 to FIXED.
  85. # [09:57] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 609305 from --- to mozilla11.
  86. # [09:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=609305 nor, --, mozilla11, nobody, RESO FIXED, Move element tests into separate folder.
  87. # [09:58] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 746990 from --- to mozilla14.
  88. # [09:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746990 cri, --, mozilla14, nobody, NEW, crash in nsXULTreeAccessible::Value
  89. # [09:59] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 746990 from mozilla14 to ---.
  90. # [10:03] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 616682 on bug 745740.
  91. # [10:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745740 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, De-ns-ify nsApplicationAccessible
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  96. # [10:32] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted review for attachment 616549 on bug 559759.
  97. # [10:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=559759 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, add a11y mochitests for <input type="email">
  98. # [10:36] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled review?(surkov.alexander@gm ail.com) for attachment 616828 on bug 745986.
  99. # [10:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745986 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Display page loading states
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  101. # [10:58] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 617093 on bug 744144.
  102. # [10:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744144 nor, --, ---, pcheng, NEW, Create / Use a heuristic for @longdesc where no valid URI exists
  103. # [10:59] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 617170 on bug 747588.
  104. # [10:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=747588 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, ASSI, nsHTMLImageAccessible should set eImageAccessible in mFlags
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  107. # [11:42] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 617180 on bug 742659.
  108. # [11:42] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted feedback for attachment 617180 on bug 742659.
  109. # [11:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=742659 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, move nsARIAMap::UniversalStatesFor to aria namespace
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  124. # [13:32] <@askalski> hi MarcoZ, tbsaunde|zzz
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  131. # [14:08] <@MarcoZ> Hi all!
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  140. # [14:55] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 616682 on bug 745740.
  141. # [14:55] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested feedback from trev.saunders@gma il.com for attachment 617449 on bug 745740.
  142. # [14:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745740 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, De-ns-ify nsApplicationAccessible
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  147. # [15:22] <@davidb> heyo!
  148. # [15:24] <@askalski> davidb, hi!
  149. # [15:24] <@davidb> hi askalski, how was the weekend?
  150. # [15:24] <@MarcoZ> Hi davi!
  151. # [15:24] <@askalski> davidb, good, thanks
  152. # [15:24] <@askalski> davidb, I upgraded my windows setup to speed up cross platform work
  153. # [15:24] <@MarcoZ> davidb :)
  154. # [15:25] <@MarcoZ> Hi askalski!
  155. # [15:25] <@davidb> We are hosting a Firefox (front-end) team meeting this week. I should steal some catered breakfast.
  156. # [15:25] <@davidb> hi MarcoZ
  157. # [15:25] <@askalski> hi MarcoZ :), I sent you hi like 3h ago
  158. # [15:27] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Good idea!
  159. # [15:30] <@askalski> MarcoZ, can you help me out with something?
  160. # [15:30] <@askalski> MarcoZ, it's c++ related question
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  163. # [15:39] <@MarcoZ> askalski: I can certainly try.
  164. # [15:39] <@MarcoZ> askalski: But C++ isn't my strongest language, so no warranty. ;)
  165. # [15:40] * @davidb just chatted with dao
  166. # [15:40] * @davidb used to teach C++ level 1 and 2
  167. # [15:47] <@askalski> MarcoZ, I am moving forward on this
  168. # [15:48] <@askalski> davidb, just tell me what's the coding guideline: I am to initialize a static member array in class. should I do it in .h or in .cpp
  169. # [15:48] <@askalski> davidb, if in .h, it will be outside class declaration, due to language constraints (I am using = {} declaration)
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  171. # [15:51] <@MarcoZ> My hunch is: Declaration in .h, but initialization in .cpp file.
  172. # [15:51] * @MarcoZ really likes the BrowserID workflow. This is just so nice and clean.
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  174. # [15:53] <@askalski> MarcoZ, yeah, I guess I will do so
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  179. # [16:06] <@davidb> askalski: sorry I was afk. in cpp usually i think
  180. # [16:07] <@davidb> at least i did it that way recently
  181. # [16:09] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Ready when you are.
  182. # [16:09] <@MarcoZ> (on Skype)
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  188. # [16:33] <@davidb> khuey|away: are you targeting bug 695480 for 14?
  189. # [16:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=695480 nor, --, ---, khuey, NEW, Remove support for Chrome -> Content leaks
  190. # [16:38] <@davidb> i miss linux
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  193. # [16:52] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested approval-mozilla-central from the wind for attachment 617170 on bug 747588.
  194. # [16:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=747588 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, ASSI, nsHTMLImageAccessible should set eImageAccessible in mFlags
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  202. # [17:48] <@askalski> davidb, I am testing the patch to 716644
  203. # [17:49] <@askalski> davidb, maybe it's the moment to learn "push to try" ?
  204. # [17:49] <@davidb> sure
  205. # [17:49] <@davidb> askalski: I have this in my ~/.hgrc
  206. # [17:49] <@davidb> [paths]
  207. # [17:49] <@davidb> try = ssh://hg.mozilla.org/try/
  208. # [17:50] <@davidb> then you can do: hg push -f try
  209. # [17:50] <@davidb> askalski: the other bit is to add config options to your push log
  210. # [17:50] <@askalski> davidb, and what will be the feedback?
  211. # [17:51] <@davidb> you'll get an email
  212. # [17:51] <@davidb> askalski: https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReleaseEngineering/TryServer
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  214. # [17:52] <@davidb> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Build:TryChooser
  215. # [17:52] <@davidb> etc
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  227. # [18:31] <khuey> davidb: 15
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  231. # [18:41] <@askalski> davidb, is mochitest a11y included in try?
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  233. # [18:57] <@askalski> davidb, I got access denied on push to try
  234. # [18:58] <@askalski> davidb, ok, I might have messed the config yet, just let me a moment
  235. # [18:59] <Mark_Capella> I spent a whole day last week trying to figure out my first HG push ...
  236. # [19:00] <Mark_Capella> but autoland has been up and down lately so it was worth it
  237. # [19:05] <@MarcoZ> Mark_Capella: askalski: It's worth including the e-mail address for your SSH login in the push URL, like this:
  238. # [19:06] <@MarcoZ> try = ssh://my@email.com@hg.mozilla.org/try
  239. # [19:07] <@askalski> MarcoZ, yeah, I guess it's a key issue
  240. # [19:08] <Mark_Capella> hmmm ... is that the same as having it in my .ssh/config file? i'm getting auto emails already successfully
  241. # [19:08] <@askalski> akuda@odie:~/Moz/mozilla-central$ hg push -f try
  242. # [19:08] <@askalski> pushing to ssh://askalski%40mozilla.com@hg.mozilla.org/try
  243. # [19:08] <@askalski> running ssh askalski@mozilla.com@hg.mozilla.org "hg -R try serve --stdio"
  244. # [19:08] <@askalski> remote: Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive).
  245. # [19:08] <@askalski> abort: no suitable response from remote hg!
  246. # [19:08] <@askalski> akuda@odie:~/Moz/mozilla-central$
  247. # [19:08] <@askalski> yes, I have ~/.ssh/config
  248. # [19:09] <Mark_Capella> askalski: whats your config file look like
  249. # [19:10] <@askalski> akuda@odie:~/.ssh$ cat config
  250. # [19:10] <@askalski> Host hg.mozilla.org
  251. # [19:10] <@askalski> HostName hg.mozilla.org
  252. # [19:10] <@askalski> User askalski@mozilla.com
  253. # [19:10] <@askalski> IdentityFile ~/Moz/keys/askalski_mozkey
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  255. # [19:10] <@askalski> and yes, mozkey has proper ownership settings
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  257. # [19:10] <@askalski> by proper I mean 600
  258. # [19:11] <Mark_Capella> i didnt use the identityfile just named my key ID_RSA ... as for permissions thats a ubuuntu thing ... im WIN7
  259. # [19:12] <Mark_Capella> s/permissions/ownership
  260. # [19:13] <@askalski> Mark_Capella, I have a dozen of keys to different machines, I know what I am doing
  261. # [19:13] <Mark_Capella> oh - sorry
  262. # [19:13] <@askalski> Mark_Capella, if there only was a second service
  263. # [19:13] <@askalski> I could test it with
  264. # [19:13] <@askalski> like shell access
  265. # [19:15] <Mark_Capella> askalski: ok thats all ive got ... i did a push an hour ago and it worked ok
  266. # [19:15] <@askalski> Mark_Capella, thanks
  267. # [19:15] <drexler> might not be much but i keep my email in single quotes '' in the hg push -f try
  268. # [19:16] <Mark_Capella> and fwiw i dont put it in the try @all just as the USER in the ssh config file
  269. # [19:18] <@askalski> is there a shell access I in access level 1?
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  277. # [19:30] <@askalski> davidb, I tested the patch and I ran into a problem I might use assistance with
  278. # [19:32] <@MarcoZ> Hm, who told our web devs that "hiding" content by just moving it outside the visible view port is a proper WCAG technoque?
  279. # [19:32] <@MarcoZ> Hidden content should be visibility: hidden; or display: none;
  280. # [19:36] * davidb is now known as davidb|mtg
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  282. # [19:41] <@davidb> askalski: wazzup?
  283. # [19:41] <@davidb> MarcoZ: hmm dunno, what is the context?
  284. # [19:41] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Bug 747978. You're CC'd.
  285. # [19:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=747978 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Inconsistent behavior in the Browser ID account manager when using the keyboard
  286. # [19:42] <@askalski> davidb, my patch introduces a mochitest error
  287. # [19:42] <@MarcoZ> davidb: But I am seeing this also on mozilla.org that content is "hidden" by just being outside the viewport, and screen readers seeing all the sub menu content nevertheless.
  288. # [19:42] <@davidb> askalski: pastebin?
  289. # [19:42] <@askalski> davidb, should I post it and ask for support or try to learn more stuff myself?
  290. # [19:42] <@davidb> MarcoZ: hmmm yeah there is this nav area that expands and collapses
  291. # [19:43] <@davidb> askalski: it depends :)
  292. # [19:43] <@davidb> askalski: which test fails and why?
  293. # [19:43] <@davidb> or in what way
  294. # [19:44] <@davidb> askalski: is your push here somewhere? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try
  295. # [19:44] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Indeed! Let's see how this one bug goes with BrowserID.
  296. # [19:45] <@davidb> MarcoZ: yeah
  297. # [19:45] <@MarcoZ> But for today, I'm off. See you all tomorrow!
  298. # [19:45] <@askalski> davidb, http://pastebin.com/VtUkLRyD
  299. # [19:45] <@davidb> MarcoZ: see ya
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  301. # [19:45] <@askalski> davidb, this is the output of difftest.py on with and without patch
  302. # [19:45] <@askalski> davidb, I tried to try, I got access denied problem, but that's another thing :)
  303. # [19:45] <@davidb> ok
  304. # [19:46] <@davidb> askalski: looking at paste bin… what should i be looking for?
  305. # [19:47] <@davidb> not sure how difftest works
  306. # [19:47] <@askalski> davidb, sorry
  307. # [19:47] <@askalski> davidb, not wide-screen enough
  308. # [19:47] <@askalski> davidb, I will clearify it
  309. # [19:47] <@askalski> davidb, ok, line 104
  310. # [19:47] <@davidb> aha
  311. # [19:48] <@davidb> askalski: can i have the log of the test run that fails (not daffiest)
  312. # [19:48] <@davidb> haha
  313. # [19:48] <@davidb> silly autocorrect
  314. # [19:48] <@davidb> daffiest/difftest
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  316. # [19:49] <@davidb> oh maybe i don't need it
  317. # [19:50] <@davidb> when askalski comes back I should point him at bug 745788
  318. # [19:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745788 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Intermittent a11y/accessible/treeupdate/test_imagemap.html | Test timed out
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  320. # [19:59] <Mark_Capella> daffiest >and< talking to yourself?
  321. # [19:59] <@davidb> heh
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  326. # [20:04] <@tbsaunde|afk> askalski: you should probably have shell access to people.mozilla.org and office.mtv1.mozilla.com
  327. # [20:05] <@tbsaunde|afk> you can also try sshing to hg.mozilla.org
  328. # [20:05] * tbsaunde|afk is now known as tbsaunde
  329. # [20:07] <@david|mtg> askalski: BTW note bug 745788
  330. # [20:07] <@askalski> tbsaunde, thanks, now I know it's a general ssh key problem
  331. # [20:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745788 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Intermittent a11y/accessible/treeupdate/test_imagemap.html | Test timed out
  332. # [20:08] <@askalski> david|mtg, interesting. I re-done mochitests several times hoping it's flaky
  333. # [20:08] <@david|mtg> it never passed?
  334. # [20:08] <@askalski> david|mtg, so far it's not. patch introduces the timeout. I have a feeling why, but I would have to talk with someone experienced
  335. # [20:09] <@david|mtg> askalski: i could possibly debug it in about an hour
  336. # [20:09] <@david|mtg> on my linux box
  337. # [20:09] <@tbsaunde> askalski: did you ever actually get commit access? I don't remember
  338. # [20:10] <@tbsaunde> askalski: are you sure its your patch? I've seen things that were intermitant on try, but always failed locally
  339. # [20:10] <@david|mtg> tbsaunde: good pt
  340. # [20:10] <@askalski> david|mtg, I actually just received another mochitest results
  341. # [20:10] <@askalski> now different
  342. # [20:10] <@david|mtg> (http://www.mozilla.org/hacking/commit-access-policy/)
  343. # [20:10] <@askalski> david|mtg, this test passes, two other fails
  344. # [20:11] <@askalski> david|mtg, so it's flaky
  345. # [20:11] <@david|mtg> yep
  346. # [20:11] <@askalski> david|mtg, so should I post the patch?
  347. # [20:11] <@david|mtg> yep
  348. # [20:11] <@askalski> to bugzilla
  349. # [20:11] <@askalski> ok
  350. # [20:11] <@david|mtg> askalski: do you have level 1 access (re http://www.mozilla.org/hacking/commit-access-policy/_
  351. # [20:12] <@askalski> david|mtg, yes
  352. # [20:12] <@david|mtg> ok
  353. # [20:12] <@askalski> david|mtg, it's key issue I guess
  354. # [20:12] <@askalski> I have problem accessing ssh as well
  355. # [20:12] <@askalski> and that's easier to test
  356. # [20:13] <@askalski> I will work it out with #desktop soon
  357. # [20:13] <@david|mtg> yep
  358. # [20:15] <@firebot> askalski@mozilla.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 617548 on bug 716644.
  359. # [20:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=716644 nor, --, ---, askalski, NEW, expandoify accessible roles
  360. # [20:15] <@tbsaunde> askalski: I'd probably find the bug you got level 1 in and comment sayingssh doesn't work
  361. # [20:15] <@askalski> tbsaunde, yeah, good idea
  362. # [20:16] <@askalski> \me goes for a lunch
  363. # [20:16] * @askalski goes for a lunch
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  378. # [21:22] <@firebot> askalski@mozilla.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 617548 on bug 716644.
  379. # [21:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=716644 nor, --, ---, askalski, NEW, expandoify accessible roles
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  381. # [21:42] <@davidb> i can't seem to get accerciser to monitor object attribute-changed
  382. # [21:43] <@tbsaunde> interesting
  383. # [21:43] <@tbsaunde> perhaps try atspimon.py on the grounds its simpler?
  384. # [21:43] <@davidb> where is that?
  385. # [21:43] <satdav> davidb, you getting all of the emails about the spam on the accessibility list
  386. # [21:43] <@davidb> satdav: not sure
  387. # [21:44] <satdav> ciik wiykd be sent to your email
  388. # [21:45] <@tbsaunde> davidb: it lives someplace funny like the uia2atk repo, but I can just mail it too you
  389. # [21:46] <@davidb> ok
  390. # [21:46] <@tbsaunde> davidb: http://paste.debian.net/164697/
  391. # [21:46] <@tbsaunde> it has the nice feature of being fairly machine parsable which is good for looking at crazy perf issues
  392. # [21:49] <@davidb> i need to unverbose it
  393. # [21:50] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
  394. # [21:50] <@davidb> ok i need to check this on windows
  395. # [21:50] <@tbsaunde> un verbose it?
  396. # [21:51] <@davidb> s'ok
  397. # [21:51] <@davidb> on accerciser you can specify the events you want to listen to
  398. # [21:51] <@davidb> but i didn't see the ones i needed so rebooting and testing something on windows
  399. # [21:52] <@tbsaunde> ah, I do that by piping it to grep, or writing a log file and then operating on the log
  400. # [21:53] * @tbsaunde doesn't think he's ever seen a object:atribute-changed or whatever and wonders if atk actually does anything with it
  401. # [22:00] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 748069 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  402. # [22:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748069 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Document UtteranceGenerator
  403. # [22:00] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 617602 on bug 745986.
  404. # [22:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745986 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Display page loading states
  405. # [22:01] <@davidb> yeah piping to grep makes sense
  406. # [22:02] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 617604 on bug 748069.
  407. # [22:03] <@davidb> eeejay: since you are a consumer of gecko a11y, please be proactive in questioning what is supplied, inconsistencies etc
  408. # [22:03] <eeejay> davidb, how did that come up?
  409. # [22:04] <@davidb> eeejay: i thought of it
  410. # [22:04] <eeejay> davidb, brilliant!
  411. # [22:04] <@davidb> hahaha
  412. # [22:04] <eeejay> davidb, we need a document loading start event
  413. # [22:04] <@davidb> file a bug
  414. # [22:04] <eeejay> k
  415. # [22:07] <@davidb> eeejay: ever seen an object attributes changed event on atk?
  416. # [22:07] <eeejay> davidb, in my distant past, yes
  417. # [22:07] <@davidb> ok
  418. # [22:11] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 748082 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  419. # [22:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748082 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Introduce EVENT_DOCUMENT_LOADING event
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  425. # [23:09] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org cancelled review?(surkov.alexander@gm ail.com) for attachment 617602 on bug 745986.
  426. # [23:09] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 617636 on bug 745986.
  427. # [23:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745986 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Display page loading states
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  430. # [23:33] <@firebot> pcheng@gmx.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 617093 on bug 744144.
  431. # [23:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744144 nor, --, ---, pcheng, NEW, Create / Use a heuristic for @longdesc where no valid URI exists
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