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- # Session Start: Fri Apr 27 00:00:00 2012
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [00:24] <satdav> bug 745746
- # [00:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745746 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Magic screen reader issue
- # [00:24] <satdav> does anyone know a update on that bug
- # [00:29] <@tbsaunde> hub: I suspect you cn land enabling mac so long as we don't fix the enable the tests bug, or did you try that on try and find something different?
- # [00:29] <satdav> hub, ping
- # [00:32] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com denied review for attachment 618734 on bug 716644.
- # [00:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=716644 nor, --, ---, askalski, NEW, expandoify accessible roles
- # [00:32] <@hub> tbsaunde: I tried locally and it fails.
- # [00:32] <@hub> tbsaunde: I'll push to Try. it failed yesterday with the infra issues
- # [00:33] <@hub> satdav: yes?
- # [00:33] <satdav> hub, was wondering do you know does the guy from magic screen readers come on chat a lot
- # [00:33] <@hub> I have no idea
- # [00:34] <@tbsaunde> hub: ok
- # [00:34] <satdav> cool
- # [00:35] <@tbsaunde> hub: I get that they fail, but if we don't run them then that doesn't mtter for landing
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- # [00:56] <@tbsaunde> hub: any idea what this confluence / mana.mozilla.org thing is?
- # [01:01] <drexler> seems they emailed everyone with an ldap account.
- # [01:02] <@tbsaunde> yup
- # [01:02] <@tbsaunde> but what is it
- # [01:02] <@hub> tbsaunde: just ignore it. IT is on it, it is a bug
- # [01:02] <@tbsaunde> it seems to be some sort of social web site thing
- # [01:02] <@tbsaunde> ah
- # [01:02] <@hub> confluence is the internal wiki software
- # [01:02] <Mark_Capella> mana is a confluence install, a recent upgrade of confluence included a bug, you can see the details on https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/CONF-25213
- # [01:03] <Mark_Capella> <--- got that silly email also
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- # [02:10] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org cancelled review?(surkov.alexander@gm ail.com) for attachment 617636 on bug 745986.
- # [02:10] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 618864 on bug 745986.
- # [02:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745986 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Display page loading states
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- # [02:13] <@eeejay> morning surkov
- # [02:13] <@surkov> eeejay: good evening!
- # [02:14] <satdav> surkov, what time you on
- # [02:15] <@surkov> eeejay: now it's 9am
- # [02:15] <@eeejay> surkov, cool :)
- # [02:17] <satdav> oh thats good for you
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- # [02:56] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 618877 on bug 746990.
- # [02:56] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Status on bug 746990 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
- # [02:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746990 cri, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, crash in nsXULTreeAccessible::Value
- # [03:00] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: mind changing ^ to surkov?
- # [03:01] <Mark_Capella> tbsaunde: sure: i thought it was yours
- # [03:01] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 618877 on bug 746990.
- # [03:03] <@tbsaunde> maye sort of, but he knows what's going on, and I'm busy
- # [03:03] <Mark_Capella> k - i get my mentors confused with my feedbacks and my reviewers anyhow ... :)
- # [03:05] <Mark_Capella> !seen nickc
- # [03:05] <@firebot> nickc was last seen 1 week, 6 days, 7 hours, 2 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying 'I also asked about this on #accessibility' in #introduction.
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- # [04:11] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Status on bug 748724 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
- # [04:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748724 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, de-ns-ify nsRootAccessible
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- # [07:26] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 618724 on bug 740750.
- # [07:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740750 nor, --, ---, junky.argonaut, ASSI, Use nsITreeView* instead of nsCOMPtr<nsITreeView> as followup to bug#739524
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- # [07:33] <Jenny> hello surkov, can you please take a look at Bug 731091 please? I have responded to your question. thank you
- # [07:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=731091 nor, --, mozilla13, Jennyherrera.19, NEW, menuStart accessible event fired on sub-menu after focus event for focused item
- # [07:33] <@surkov> Jenny: hi, I will, running through my bug mail
- # [07:34] <Jenny> ok no problem
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- # [08:00] <@surkov> Jenny: done
- # [08:01] <Jenny> ok thank you
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- # [08:09] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested feedback from trev.saunders@gma il.com for attachment 618867 on bug 740747.
- # [08:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740747 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, dexpcom nsAccessible::GetName
- # [08:10] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 618877 on bug 746990.
- # [08:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746990 cri, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, crash in nsXULTreeAccessible::Value
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- # [08:47] <Mark_Capella> surkov: im not familiar with adding dependencies into make files ... can you point me to an example?
- # [08:48] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: you are actually :) see base/Makefile how we add atk folder
- # [08:48] <@surkov> you need to find proper ifdefs in other Makefiles who to include windows, os x files
- # [08:50] <Mark_Capella> hmmmm .... if you mean the last few lines with the local includes then i tried that already and it didnt work ... ill look again
- # [08:52] <Mark_Capella> ill bet i know ... the atk/foowrap.h header gaurds wre named unique / different than the rest ... tbsaunde had me change them
- # [08:52] <Mark_Capella> for consistency ... ill bet they need to be different on purpose
- # [08:53] <Mark_Capella> will tinker and let you kknow
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- # [09:11] <@surkov> ok, cool
- # [09:20] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Would you agree with the latest comment in bug 749160?
- # [09:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749160 nor, P3, ---, nobody, NEW, Turn on a11y Mochitests for OS X once bug 733513 lands
- # [09:21] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Also: Hi! :)
- # [09:21] <@surkov> MarcoZ: hey, let me look
- # [09:23] <@surkov> MarcoZ: sure
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- # [09:29] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Have anything to land on inbound and would take bug 733513 as a ride-along?
- # [09:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733513 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Enable accessibility on Mac
- # [09:30] <@surkov> MarcoZ: I have bunch of patches, they are on try still
- # [09:30] <@surkov> I can land that patch if you like
- # [09:30] <@MarcoZ> Bug 733513 already had a clear try run, as Hub commented in bug 749160.
- # [09:30] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749160 nor, P3, ---, nobody, NEW, Turn on a11y Mochitests for OS X once bug 733513 lands
- # [09:31] <@surkov> ok, I'll land it then
- # [09:31] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Yeah I think we need to get going.
- # [09:31] <@surkov> ok
- # [09:31] <@MarcoZ> Thanks!
- # [09:31] <Mark_Capella> surkov: ifeq ($(MOZ_WIDGET_TOOLKIT),gtk2) in the makefile.in just allows atk/mac/msaa/other to be added to the local includes list
- # [09:31] <Mark_Capella> normal builds wont add them ... .h header file applicationaccessiblewrap.h wont be found ... without explicit exports ...
- # [09:33] <@surkov> really, I thought gtk2 is something linux specifc
- # [09:34] <Mark_Capella> nsAccessnode and nsaccessibilityservice in base need the applicationaccessible.h file from somehwhere ...
- # [09:35] <Mark_Capella> im WIN7 though remember ...
- # [09:40] <Mark_Capella> and with the exports ... the atk version get picked up first by default due to folder name sort sequence so maybe the
- # [09:40] <Mark_Capella> header guard name change doesnt hurt?
- # [09:41] <Mark_Capella> in any case i still think leaving it alone is the best bet :)
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- # [10:04] <@surkov> MarcoZ: it doesn't applied cleanly
- # [10:04] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: so you added msaa directory to local includes?
- # [10:05] <Mark_Capella> mac and msaa and other
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- # [10:05] <Mark_Capella> not to local but to the conditional local
- # [10:06] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 740750 from --- to mozilla15.
- # [10:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740750 nor, --, mozilla15, junky.argonaut, ASSI, Use nsITreeView* instead of nsCOMPtr<nsITreeView> as followup to bug#739524
- # [10:06] <Mark_Capella> thought about adding one (atk? msaa?) to the normal includes or explicit #include "/atk..." in the .cpp file
- # [10:06] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: what ifdef did you use for that?
- # [10:06] <@surkov> usually we add dependences rather than explicit includes
- # [10:07] <Mark_Capella> what do you ask re: #ifdef ?
- # [10:08] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: atk folder is ifdefed by gtk2 condition
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- # [10:08] <@surkov> so you need similar for msaa and mac
- # [10:09] <Mark_Capella> oh .... didnt look that deep ... you're losing me here for mac / msaa / other
- # [10:12] <Mark_Capella> that involves MOZ_WIDGET_TOOLKIT and PLATFORM_DIR in makefiles ...
- # [10:17] <Mark_Capella> not sure we wanna got there ...
- # [10:17] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 746990 from --- to mozilla15.
- # [10:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746990 cri, --, mozilla15, markcapella, ASSI, crash in nsXULTreeAccessible::Value
- # [10:19] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: I think you should find some Makefile.in in source that makes similar things, take a look at widgets folder (there's platform specific code there)
- # [10:20] <Mark_Capella> ok ... still looking around ... just keeping in mind that -asis- works ... benefits of changing are ... ?
- # [10:23] <Mark_Capella> and looking towards doing Bug 748724 - de-ns-ify nsRootAccessible next ... assuming no major clash with GetName() still in progress
- # [10:23] <Mark_Capella> dont wanna re-base yet again
- # [10:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748724 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, de-ns-ify nsRootAccessible
- # [10:24] <Mark_Capella> last one only had 4 reject files but still its a pain
- # [10:27] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Yeah some stuff that hub initially dropped in his first patch to the bug, then got dropped by some other patch. So you only have to remove the case....and the ACCESSIBILITY= needs to be changed to ACCESSIBILITY=1.
- # [10:28] * @MarcoZ attaches new patch.
- # [10:28] <@surkov> MarcoZ: then maybe you will land it? :)
- # [10:41] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Yeah will do.
- # [10:52] <@surkov> ok
- # [10:54] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: see src/Makefile.in
- # [10:56] <Mark_Capella> did .... is what i was referring to --^
- # [10:56] <Mark_Capella> platform_dir etc.
- # [10:58] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Pushed.
- # [10:59] <@surkov> cool
- # [10:59] <Mark_Capella> oh.... hmmm... you think i could ifeq (toolkit, foo) LOCAL += atk or msaa, etc...
- # [10:59] <@surkov> yes
- # [10:59] <Mark_Capella> umm hmm umm hmm ... lets try
- # [11:00] <@surkov> but actually it's nice to keep that platform_dir shared
- # [11:02] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: you could introduce rules.mk file and define platform_dir there
- # [11:03] * @MarcoZ is holding his breath.
- # [11:04] <Mark_Capella> has to set it up so that atk uses atk, mac /mac, msaa /msaa, other /other ,,
- # [11:04] <Mark_Capella> trick is that default needs to use atk also ? i think ?
- # [11:06] <Mark_Capella> when i remove the exports and my build fails cause /base foo.cpp cant find the applicationaccessiblewrap.h ... it needs
- # [11:06] <Mark_Capella> to use which version ... atk?
- # [11:07] <Mark_Capella> yes i think the answer is
- # [11:27] <Mark_Capella> skip that last one that cant be right
- # [11:31] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Some of the OS X debug mochitest machines already turned green on my push.
- # [11:31] <@surkov> nice
- # [11:32] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: atk on linux only
- # [11:32] <Mark_Capella> yah .... using other ... has build running ... all is well so far ...
- # [11:40] <Mark_Capella> didnt have to change platform_dir...
- # [11:57] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 733513 from --- to mozilla15.
- # [11:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733513 nor, --, mozilla15, hub, NEW, Enable accessibility on Mac
- # [12:21] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Status on bug 748716 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
- # [12:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748716 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, don't export ApplicationAccessibleWrap.h
- # [12:27] <@firebot> askalski@mozilla.com cancelled review?(surkov.alexander@gm ail.com) for attachment 618734 on bug 716644.
- # [12:27] <@firebot> askalski@mozilla.com requested review from hub@mozilla.com for attachment 618981 on bug 716644.
- # [12:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=716644 nor, --, ---, askalski, NEW, expandoify accessible roles
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- # [12:29] <@askalski> surkov, hi, updated patch again, can you give it a look?
- # [12:29] <@surkov> askalski: I can say the same
- # [12:29] <@surkov> what did you change?
- # [12:29] <@askalski> surkov, I removed all references to removed file
- # [12:30] <@surkov> anything else?
- # [12:30] <@surkov> askalski:
- # [12:30] <@askalski> until Hub's review? no
- # [12:31] <@askalski> but until your and Trevor's - yes
- # [12:31] <@surkov> ok, then let's take my version
- # [12:31] <@askalski> surkov, what version?
- # [12:31] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled review?(hub@mozilla.com) for attachment 618981 on bug 716644.
- # [12:31] <@surkov> check the bug
- # [12:31] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 618982 on bug 716644.
- # [12:37] <@askalski> surkov, checked. tell me whether I need to do something more with that or can I move forward
- # [12:37] <@surkov> move forward
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- # [15:41] <@MarcoZ> Hi davidb!
- # [15:42] <@davidb> hi!
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- # [15:42] <@davidb> ok i need to set up my linux box for android debugging
- # [15:42] <@davidb> i'm seeing a troublesome bug
- # [15:43] <@tbsaunde|zzz> oh?
- # [15:43] <@askalski> what troublesome bug?
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- # [15:44] <@davidb> MarcoZ: armenzg is the one to coordinate a11y config and tests on mac and he's on build-duty next week
- # [15:45] <@davidb> askalski: tbsaunde|busy the content process crashing and never coming back
- # [15:45] <@davidb> bug 749149
- # [15:45] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749149 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Sometimes the page loading indicator stops and I don't see a page.
- # [15:47] <@davidb> MarcoZ: what is Tony's nick?
- # [15:50] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Tony Chung? It's tchung.
- # [15:50] <@davidb> thanks
- # [15:52] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Thanks, will coordinate with armenzg and hub to make sure things pass. In the meantime, we *do* have builds with a11y enabled now, and nothing blew up on inbound.
- # [15:53] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Wondering whether we should send a heads-up to dev.planning about this.
- # [15:54] <@davidb> MarcoZ: where are the a11y enabled builds?
- # [15:54] <@davidb> MarcoZ: yes, to dev.planning please.
- # [15:56] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I looked at the tinderbox-builds.
- # [15:56] <@MarcoZ> And downloaded the first that had an increased size of the DMG.
- # [15:59] <@davidb> MarcoZ: so we are enabled on central or are you talking about branch?
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- # [16:00] <@davidb> tbsaunde|busy: busy with skewl?
- # [16:00] <@davidb> hi surkov
- # [16:00] <@surkov> hi, davidb
- # [16:01] <@tbsaunde|busy> davidb: yes
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- # [16:01] <@davidb> trev, ok good luck
- # [16:02] <@MarcoZ> davidb: mozilla-inbound
- # [16:02] <@tbsaunde|busy> thx
- # [16:02] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 559747 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
- # [16:02] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Uplift to central needs to happen still.
- # [16:02] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 559747 to FIXED.
- # [16:02] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=559747 nor, --, mozilla15, markcapella, RESO FIXED, make <input type="search"> accessible
- # [16:02] <@davidb> why does the ubuntu distro of FF auto update - sit
- # [16:02] <@davidb> sit/sigh
- # [16:02] <@davidb> MarcoZ: ah gotcha
- # [16:03] <@davidb> MarcoZ: can you post to dev.planning?
- # [16:03] <@davidb> cc hub's email directly
- # [16:03] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 739884 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [16:03] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 739884 to FIXED.
- # [16:03] <@tbsaunde|busy> davidb: does or does not?
- # [16:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739884 nor, --, mozilla15, maxli, RESO FIXED, decomtaminate impl of UnselectRow() and UnselectCol() on accessible tables
- # [16:03] <@davidb> tbsaunde|busy: not
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- # [16:03] <@davidb> tbsaunde|busy: when i go to about, there is no update link
- # [16:03] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Will do!
- # [16:04] <@davidb> splendid
- # [16:05] <@tbsaunde|busy> davidb: I'd think so the pakcage manager deals with it
- # [16:05] <@davidb> tbsaunde|busy: ah makes sense
- # [16:05] <@tbsaunde|busy> also consider it's probably using system nspr / cairo / nss, which the package manager deals with
- # [16:06] <@davidb> yeah. "Ubuntu Software Centre"!
- # [16:06] <@tbsaunde|busy> so if firefox updated you could end up in a spot were it depends on a newer nss / nspr than is installed
- # [16:06] <@davidb> i can understand the desire for a distro to manage dependencies
- # [16:09] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 618979 on bug 748716.
- # [16:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748716 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, don't export ApplicationAccessibleWrap.h
- # [16:10] <@tbsaunde|busy> davidb: well, its not so much desire as if firefox is too use system li s its sort of required for correctness
- # [16:12] <@davidb> of course
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- # [16:18] <@MarcoZ> Message to dev.planning posted.
- # [16:20] <@davidb> MarcoZ: that looks perfect to me
- # [16:20] <@davidb> nice idea to cc qa
- # [16:22] <@davidb> uname -m
- # [16:22] <@davidb> bah
- # [16:22] <@MarcoZ> Yeah they should definitely look at this, too.
- # [16:22] <@MarcoZ> LOL
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- # [16:33] <@davidb> wow it is hard to get the jdk
- # [16:34] <@tbsaunde|busy> davidb: really?
- # [16:34] <@davidb> yes canonical removed it from repo
- # [16:34] <@davidb> and the workarounds are currently borken
- # [16:34] <@tbsaunde|busy> open jdk doesn't work for you?
- # [16:34] <aaronlev> davidb: what's up with html5 <menu> in various browsers, any idea?
- # [16:34] <@davidb> well i wanted to stick with the wiki
- # [16:34] <@davidb> aaronlev: dunno - i'd check quirksmode
- # [16:34] <@davidb> we have a bug sitting
- # [16:35] <aaronlev> trying to find it
- # [16:35] <aaronlev> seems like no one supports it yet
- # [16:35] <@tbsaunde|busy> davidb: weird, I thought we used open jdk on build slaves
- # [16:35] <@davidb> aaronlev: not surprised
- # [16:35] <@davidb> tbsaunde|busy: dunno
- # [16:35] <aaronlev> i am, it's a bit late in the html5 games
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- # [16:35] <aaronlev> if you know how to find the bug let me know
- # [16:35] <aaronlev> i found bug 699709
- # [16:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=699709 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, HTML5 "context menu" does not pop up by using context menu key
- # [16:36] * @davidb installs the open jdk
- # [16:36] <aaronlev> but not one for using <command>
- # [16:36] <aaronlev> surkov: you know?
- # [16:36] <aaronlev> i could use any kind of html5 element status related to firefox actually
- # [16:37] <aaronlev> or wiki
- # [16:37] * aaronlev goes back to searching
- # [16:37] <@surkov> aaronlev: firefox supports only context menus afaik
- # [16:37] <@davidb> http://html5test.com/
- # [16:38] <@MarcoZ> aaronlev: I am not sure that bug is still valid. I saw the HTML5 context menu come up just fine using the context menu, combined with the regular context menu commands for the page (or the given element).
- # [16:38] <aaronlev> davidb, marcoz: thanks!
- # [16:38] <aaronlev> MarcoZ: how do i bring up the html5 context menu?
- # [16:38] <aaronlev> i'm about to upad to 1.30a2
- # [16:38] <aaronlev> err, 13.0a2
- # [16:39] <@MarcoZ> aaronlev: Just by pressing the applications key on Windows, or right-clicking.
- # [16:39] <@MarcoZ> aaronlev: The HTML5 context menu gets integrated with the regular context menu items.
- # [16:39] <aaronlev> nice, ok
- # [16:39] <@MarcoZ> aaronlev: 13 is in beta now.
- # [16:40] <@MarcoZ> Or is going to be any day now.
- # [16:40] <aaronlev> MarcoZ: ok
- # [16:41] <aaronlev> MarcoZ: is that what you tested with?
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- # [16:55] <@MarcoZ> aaronlev: HTML5 context menu element support has beein in Firefox for a while now, I think since at least 10 or even 9. Don't remember which version.
- # [16:56] <@MarcoZ> aaronlev: Oh, it's been in since ver 8. See bug 617528.
- # [16:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=617528 enh, --, mozilla8, Jan.Varga, RESO FIXED, implement the HTML5 "context menu" feature (contextmenu attribute)
- # [17:05] <aaronlev> MarcoZ: i'm so behind the times :/
- # [17:13] <@davidb> the android sdk downloads all the software. all. the. software.
- # [17:14] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Let me guess: a) it didn't download *all* the software, or b) you're downloading the internet and just got scared. :)
- # [17:14] <@davidb> b
- # [17:14] <@MarcoZ> :D
- # [17:15] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I just installed my first web app from Labs. And the runtime is accessible from the start.
- # [17:17] <@davidb> I
- # [17:17] <@davidb> am
- # [17:17] <@davidb> happy
- # [17:17] <@davidb> HAPPY!
- # [17:17] <@davidb> what was the app?
- # [17:18] <@MarcoZ> The "manifest checker".
- # [17:18] <@MarcoZ> Basically accessibility problems that *can* occurr are in the markup of the web app, or our interpretation of that. So it's either our bug as usual, or the bug of the app vendor.
- # [17:18] <@davidb> yeah
- # [17:19] <@davidb> MarcoZ: this is K9O work of course…
- # [17:19] <@davidb> can you find out if there is going to be a "mozilla blessed app' badge?
- # [17:19] <@davidb> we need to have a11y as prime for tier1
- # [17:19] <@davidb> and pretend i know how to do quotation marks
- # [17:20] <@MarcoZ> I can try. :)
- # [17:21] <@davidb> hehe
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- # [17:30] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Mail is sent, and you're CC'd.
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- # [17:31] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Would like to leave a bit earlier today, need to run some errants before shops close. Yes, we have mostly non 24/7 shops in Germany still. :(
- # [17:32] <@davidb> MarcoZ: ok - have a nice weekend.
- # [17:32] <@davidb> nice/great
- # [17:32] <@MarcoZ> Nevermind, I'll just leave the window open until I get back and see if there's anything else I need to deal with before the weekend.
- # [17:32] <@MarcoZ> Ah thanks!
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- # [17:34] <aaronlev> davidb: i wonder if elements with a context menu should be in the tab order … probably not, for now
- # [17:35] <aaronlev> but in any case there's no real indication when something has a context menu
- # [17:35] <aaronlev> and a keyboard-only user can't get to it
- # [17:35] <@davidb> yes that is a big problem
- # [17:35] <@davidb> we should have a has popup or something
- # [17:35] <aaronlev> but that's just for AT users
- # [17:36] <@davidb> regarding key nav… i'd like to make it simple while understanding that AT has a ton of special case code for menus
- # [17:36] <aaronlev> how about modifying the mouse cursor so there is a little menu-looking box next to it
- # [17:36] <@davidb> so tabbing should be considered IMO
- # [17:36] <@davidb> yes there needs to be a visual indicator
- # [17:36] <@davidb> maybe… but what about touch screens?
- # [17:37] <@davidb> oh duh
- # [17:37] <aaronlev> right, if there is a bluetooth kbd is needs to be supported
- # [17:37] <aaronlev> otherwise some gesture
- # [17:37] <@davidb> i bet this has been discussed many times in many places
- # [17:37] <aaronlev> i like the two finger touch myself
- # [17:37] <@davidb> twss
- # [17:37] <aaronlev> well, sighted keyboard users tend to get forgotten
- # [17:37] <@davidb> yeah
- # [17:38] <@davidb> we're pushing to have that in qa
- # [17:38] <@davidb> sighted keyboard user qa
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- # [17:38] <@davidb> we've had things leak through
- # [17:38] <aaronlev> it's almost the first line of defense
- # [17:38] <aaronlev> for accessibility
- # [17:38] <@davidb> it is
- # [17:38] <@davidb> it is a11y 101
- # [17:39] <aaronlev> i think aria-haspopup makes it sound like enter will get the popup
- # [17:40] <@davidb> probs
- # [17:40] <aaronlev> sorry, not aria-haspopup, i mean MSAAA HASPOPUP
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- # [17:40] <aaronlev> i think it needs to be an object attribute or a new state
- # [17:40] * @davidb nods
- # [17:40] <aaronlev> HAS_CONTEXTMENU
- # [17:40] <@davidb> hascontext
- # [17:40] <@davidb> yeah
- # [17:40] <aaronlev> or, expose as actions
- # [17:40] <@davidb> i wouldn't restrict it to menu
- # [17:40] <@davidb> has context invokable ui
- # [17:40] <aaronlev> that's kind of what actions were for
- # [17:41] <@davidb> good idea
- # [17:42] <aaronlev> we should get that in html5 implementation guide
- # [17:43] <@davidb> i have to create a motrola dev account to install this sdk?
- # [17:43] <@davidb> wtf
- # [17:45] <@tbsaunde|busy> davidb: what are you doing?
- # [17:47] <@davidb> tbsaunde|busy: android update sdk -u
- # [17:47] <@davidb> after 45 mins it stops and asks for a login to continute
- # [17:47] <@davidb> i'm chatting on #mobile
- # [17:48] <@tbsaunde|busy> davidb: that is really strange, I haven't updated mine in awhile, never seen that
- # [17:48] <@davidb> yeah i didn't get this about 5 months ago
- # [17:57] <@davidb> ok the workaround is to run the android thinner and select what i want via gui
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- # [18:23] <@davidb> khuey|away: congrats on bug 695480
- # [18:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=695480 nor, --, mozilla15, khuey, RESO FIXED, Remove support for Chrome -> Content leaks
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- # [18:34] <khuey> davidb: thanks
- # [18:35] <khuey> it's awesome
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- # [18:35] <@davidb> khuey: nice post too
- # [18:35] * @davidb lifts khuey up on his shoulders… runs around
- # [18:37] <khuey> heh
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- # [18:46] <@hub> yeah that's awesome.
- # [18:46] <@hub> time to rebuild Nightly
- # [18:47] <fxa90id> :) hi
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- # [19:08] <@davidb> finally.. building fennec
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- # [19:19] <anon> hello
- # [19:20] * @davidb waves
- # [19:20] <anon> any help from a hobbyist java developer wanted??
- # [19:23] <@davidb> anon: sure! what do you want to work on?
- # [19:24] <@davidb> anon: there are a few places to make your initial contributions a little smoother
- # [19:24] <@davidb> one is here
- # [19:24] <@davidb> another is #introduction
- # [19:24] <@davidb> java specifically is being used on firefox mobile native
- # [19:24] <@davidb> but if you can work via other languages consider our a11y page:
- # [19:25] <@davidb> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Contribute
- # [19:26] <anon> thank you very much davidb....i'll check out that channel and link you gave
- # [19:26] <@davidb> sure and don't be afraid to ask questions
- # [19:27] <anon> thank you, i won't :).
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- # [19:46] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Target Milestone on bug 747270 from --- to mozilla15.
- # [19:46] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=747270 nor, --, mozilla15, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] UtterangeGenerator should return string lists in all generator methods
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- # [19:50] <@davidb> hi eeejay
- # [19:51] <@davidb> eeejay: for make -f client.mk build_and_deploy… do you need to be root?
- # [19:51] * @davidb is getting permission denied in the final steps
- # [19:52] <@tbsaunde|busy> davidb: what command is it trying to run?
- # [19:53] <@davidb> i wish i could cut and paste
- # [19:53] <@davidb> nsinstall -D /usr/local/lib/firefox-15.0a1
- # [19:53] <@davidb> i don't think i have an instance running
- # [19:53] * @davidb checks
- # [19:54] <@davidb> nope
- # [19:54] <@eeejay> davidb, never heard of that build target
- # [19:54] <@eeejay> davidb, what are you talking about?
- # [19:54] <@davidb> hmm
- # [19:54] <@davidb> e
- # [19:54] <@davidb> xpo
- # [19:54] <@davidb> rt
- # [19:54] <@davidb> wth
- # [19:55] <@davidb> export foo=bar works across terminal shells right?
- # [19:55] <@tbsaunde|busy> well, installing to /usr/local/ requires root, why your running a target that wants to do that isn't really clear to me
- # [19:55] <@eeejay> davidb, nope
- # [19:55] <@davidb> darn it
- # [19:55] <@tbsaunde|busy> I don't follow the running instance thing at all
- # [19:55] <@davidb> it doesn't
- # [19:56] <@davidb> s'ok nevermind
- # [19:56] <@davidb> the problem is higher up
- # [19:56] <@tbsaunde|busy> I have no idea how it could since enviroment is copied when a new process is created
- # [19:57] <@davidb> s'ok sometimes i forget what os i'm on
- # [19:57] * @tbsaunde|busy has never heard of a terminal emulator that doesn't support copy / paste
- # [19:58] <@davidb> tbsaunde|busy: this chat window is not on the linux box
- # [19:58] <@tbsaunde|busy> ah
- # [19:58] <fxa90id> tbsaunde|busy, xterm :)
- # [19:58] <@tbsaunde|busy> that's why you run irc in screen ;-)
- # [19:59] * @eeejay cringes thinking about installing anything manually in /usr, even /usr/local
- # [20:00] <@davidb> why is installing jdk on ubuntu so messed up
- # [20:01] <@davidb> ok progress
- # [20:01] <@davidb> i need to stick these exports in my bashrc
- # [20:01] * @davidb shakes his fist at himself
- # [20:01] * @davidb hunts tylenol
- # [20:02] <@tbsaunde|busy> installing open jdk / jre has always just worked for me
- # [20:03] <@eeejay> davidb, you are setting up an android build env?
- # [20:03] <@eeejay> davidb, make sure to use the custom ndk with the gold linker
- # [20:06] <@davidb> eeejay: i set up the gold linker after i got the regular ndk :(
- # [20:06] <@davidb> the wiki order of info is not ideal
- # [20:06] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
- # [20:06] <@eeejay> davidb, did you build it with the regular ndk already?
- # [20:06] <@eeejay> davidb, if not, no harm
- # [20:06] <@davidb> it is going now
- # [20:06] <@davidb> building
- # [20:07] <@eeejay> oh
- # [20:07] <@davidb> no harm in what sense?
- # [20:07] <@eeejay> davidb, it is just a pain to switch. you should probably clobber your objdir and clear ccache
- # [20:07] <@eeejay> although that might be extreme
- # [20:07] * @davidb does that
- # [20:08] <@davidb> i'm not sure i need to build fennec anymore
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- # [20:17] <@eeejay> davidb, why not?
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- # [20:20] <@davidb> eeejay: well i was gonna debug something but i think mobile peeps are on it
- # [20:20] <@davidb> when bugzilla is back… bug 749149
- # [20:21] <@eeejay> are they still crowding your office?
- # [20:21] <fxa90id> :)
- # [20:22] * hub_ is now known as hub
- # [20:23] <fxa90id> :O
- # [20:23] <fxa90id> bugzilla doesnt work :O
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- # [20:38] <@eeejay> davidb, bug 749719
- # [20:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749719 nor, --, Firefox 15, eitan, NEW, Activate accessibility mode when device a11y is enabled
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- # [20:41] <@davidb> ok ibuprofen… kick in already
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- # [21:04] <@davidb> when i do a git clone, why does it say cloning *into* gaia?
- # [21:05] * @davidb finished fennec, moved on to b2t
- # [21:05] <@davidb> b2g
- # [21:05] <@eeejay> busy day
- # [21:06] <@eeejay> davidb, it is cloning into that subdir
- # [21:06] <@davidb> ohhh
- # [21:06] <@davidb> how silly
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- # [21:06] <@davidb> actually not a busy day
- # [21:07] <hub> people are cleaning their desk here
- # [21:08] <@davidb> hmmm?
- # [21:09] <@davidb> ohhh the move is on?
- # [21:09] <@davidb> or the in-between time i guess
- # [21:10] <@eeejay> next work week in the couv?
- # [21:10] <@tbsaunde|busy> davidb: why is saying cloning into $dir silly?
- # [21:10] <@davidb> i'm silly
- # [21:10] <@davidb> i thought it was something more complicated
- # [21:10] <@tbsaunde|busy> oh, heh
- # [21:13] <@davidb> eeejay: that's far for marco but mebbe
- # [21:13] <@davidb> i'm thinking august
- # [21:14] <@davidb> or october
- # [21:14] <@davidb> not sept
- # [21:18] <hub> davidb: move is Sunday. :-)
- # [21:19] <@davidb> nice
- # [21:19] <@davidb> i want pics on monday :)
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- # [23:13] <hub> davidb: we are not getting into the new office next week. inspection is delayed
- # [23:20] <@davidb> bah
- # [23:25] <@eeejay> hub, put your stapler back in the drawer..
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- # [23:29] <hub> beer o'clock
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