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  1. # Session Start: Fri Apr 27 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  7. # [00:24] <satdav> bug 745746
  8. # [00:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745746 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Magic screen reader issue
  9. # [00:24] <satdav> does anyone know a update on that bug
  10. # [00:29] <@tbsaunde> hub: I suspect you cn land enabling mac so long as we don't fix the enable the tests bug, or did you try that on try and find something different?
  11. # [00:29] <satdav> hub, ping
  12. # [00:32] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com denied review for attachment 618734 on bug 716644.
  13. # [00:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=716644 nor, --, ---, askalski, NEW, expandoify accessible roles
  14. # [00:32] <@hub> tbsaunde: I tried locally and it fails.
  15. # [00:32] <@hub> tbsaunde: I'll push to Try. it failed yesterday with the infra issues
  16. # [00:33] <@hub> satdav: yes?
  17. # [00:33] <satdav> hub, was wondering do you know does the guy from magic screen readers come on chat a lot
  18. # [00:33] <@hub> I have no idea
  19. # [00:34] <@tbsaunde> hub: ok
  20. # [00:34] <satdav> cool
  21. # [00:35] <@tbsaunde> hub: I get that they fail, but if we don't run them then that doesn't mtter for landing
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  24. # [00:56] <@tbsaunde> hub: any idea what this confluence / mana.mozilla.org thing is?
  25. # [01:01] <drexler> seems they emailed everyone with an ldap account.
  26. # [01:02] <@tbsaunde> yup
  27. # [01:02] <@tbsaunde> but what is it
  28. # [01:02] <@hub> tbsaunde: just ignore it. IT is on it, it is a bug
  29. # [01:02] <@tbsaunde> it seems to be some sort of social web site thing
  30. # [01:02] <@tbsaunde> ah
  31. # [01:02] <@hub> confluence is the internal wiki software
  32. # [01:02] <Mark_Capella> mana is a confluence install, a recent upgrade of confluence included a bug, you can see the details on https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/CONF-25213
  33. # [01:03] <Mark_Capella> <--- got that silly email also
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  36. # [02:10] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org cancelled review?(surkov.alexander@gm ail.com) for attachment 617636 on bug 745986.
  37. # [02:10] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 618864 on bug 745986.
  38. # [02:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745986 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Display page loading states
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  41. # [02:13] <@eeejay> morning surkov
  42. # [02:13] <@surkov> eeejay: good evening!
  43. # [02:14] <satdav> surkov, what time you on
  44. # [02:15] <@surkov> eeejay: now it's 9am
  45. # [02:15] <@eeejay> surkov, cool :)
  46. # [02:17] <satdav> oh thats good for you
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  51. # [02:56] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 618877 on bug 746990.
  52. # [02:56] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Status on bug 746990 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  53. # [02:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746990 cri, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, crash in nsXULTreeAccessible::Value
  54. # [03:00] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: mind changing ^ to surkov?
  55. # [03:01] <Mark_Capella> tbsaunde: sure: i thought it was yours
  56. # [03:01] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 618877 on bug 746990.
  57. # [03:03] <@tbsaunde> maye sort of, but he knows what's going on, and I'm busy
  58. # [03:03] <Mark_Capella> k - i get my mentors confused with my feedbacks and my reviewers anyhow ... :)
  59. # [03:05] <Mark_Capella> !seen nickc
  60. # [03:05] <@firebot> nickc was last seen 1 week, 6 days, 7 hours, 2 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying 'I also asked about this on #accessibility' in #introduction.
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  72. # [04:11] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Status on bug 748724 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  73. # [04:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748724 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, de-ns-ify nsRootAccessible
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  99. # [07:26] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 618724 on bug 740750.
  100. # [07:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740750 nor, --, ---, junky.argonaut, ASSI, Use nsITreeView* instead of nsCOMPtr<nsITreeView> as followup to bug#739524
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  102. # [07:33] <Jenny> hello surkov, can you please take a look at Bug 731091 please? I have responded to your question. thank you
  103. # [07:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=731091 nor, --, mozilla13, Jennyherrera.19, NEW, menuStart accessible event fired on sub-menu after focus event for focused item
  104. # [07:33] <@surkov> Jenny: hi, I will, running through my bug mail
  105. # [07:34] <Jenny> ok no problem
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  108. # [08:00] <@surkov> Jenny: done
  109. # [08:01] <Jenny> ok thank you
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  112. # [08:09] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested feedback from trev.saunders@gma il.com for attachment 618867 on bug 740747.
  113. # [08:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740747 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, dexpcom nsAccessible::GetName
  114. # [08:10] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 618877 on bug 746990.
  115. # [08:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746990 cri, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, crash in nsXULTreeAccessible::Value
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  117. # [08:47] <Mark_Capella> surkov: im not familiar with adding dependencies into make files ... can you point me to an example?
  118. # [08:48] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: you are actually :) see base/Makefile how we add atk folder
  119. # [08:48] <@surkov> you need to find proper ifdefs in other Makefiles who to include windows, os x files
  120. # [08:50] <Mark_Capella> hmmmm .... if you mean the last few lines with the local includes then i tried that already and it didnt work ... ill look again
  121. # [08:52] <Mark_Capella> ill bet i know ... the atk/foowrap.h header gaurds wre named unique / different than the rest ... tbsaunde had me change them
  122. # [08:52] <Mark_Capella> for consistency ... ill bet they need to be different on purpose
  123. # [08:53] <Mark_Capella> will tinker and let you kknow
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  125. # [09:11] <@surkov> ok, cool
  126. # [09:20] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Would you agree with the latest comment in bug 749160?
  127. # [09:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749160 nor, P3, ---, nobody, NEW, Turn on a11y Mochitests for OS X once bug 733513 lands
  128. # [09:21] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Also: Hi! :)
  129. # [09:21] <@surkov> MarcoZ: hey, let me look
  130. # [09:23] <@surkov> MarcoZ: sure
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  132. # [09:29] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Have anything to land on inbound and would take bug 733513 as a ride-along?
  133. # [09:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733513 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Enable accessibility on Mac
  134. # [09:30] <@surkov> MarcoZ: I have bunch of patches, they are on try still
  135. # [09:30] <@surkov> I can land that patch if you like
  136. # [09:30] <@MarcoZ> Bug 733513 already had a clear try run, as Hub commented in bug 749160.
  137. # [09:30] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749160 nor, P3, ---, nobody, NEW, Turn on a11y Mochitests for OS X once bug 733513 lands
  138. # [09:31] <@surkov> ok, I'll land it then
  139. # [09:31] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Yeah I think we need to get going.
  140. # [09:31] <@surkov> ok
  141. # [09:31] <@MarcoZ> Thanks!
  142. # [09:31] <Mark_Capella> surkov: ifeq ($(MOZ_WIDGET_TOOLKIT),gtk2) in the makefile.in just allows atk/mac/msaa/other to be added to the local includes list
  143. # [09:31] <Mark_Capella> normal builds wont add them ... .h header file applicationaccessiblewrap.h wont be found ... without explicit exports ...
  144. # [09:33] <@surkov> really, I thought gtk2 is something linux specifc
  145. # [09:34] <Mark_Capella> nsAccessnode and nsaccessibilityservice in base need the applicationaccessible.h file from somehwhere ...
  146. # [09:35] <Mark_Capella> im WIN7 though remember ...
  147. # [09:40] <Mark_Capella> and with the exports ... the atk version get picked up first by default due to folder name sort sequence so maybe the
  148. # [09:40] <Mark_Capella> header guard name change doesnt hurt?
  149. # [09:41] <Mark_Capella> in any case i still think leaving it alone is the best bet :)
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  151. # [10:04] <@surkov> MarcoZ: it doesn't applied cleanly
  152. # [10:04] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: so you added msaa directory to local includes?
  153. # [10:05] <Mark_Capella> mac and msaa and other
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  155. # [10:05] <Mark_Capella> not to local but to the conditional local
  156. # [10:06] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 740750 from --- to mozilla15.
  157. # [10:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740750 nor, --, mozilla15, junky.argonaut, ASSI, Use nsITreeView* instead of nsCOMPtr<nsITreeView> as followup to bug#739524
  158. # [10:06] <Mark_Capella> thought about adding one (atk? msaa?) to the normal includes or explicit #include "/atk..." in the .cpp file
  159. # [10:06] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: what ifdef did you use for that?
  160. # [10:06] <@surkov> usually we add dependences rather than explicit includes
  161. # [10:07] <Mark_Capella> what do you ask re: #ifdef ?
  162. # [10:08] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: atk folder is ifdefed by gtk2 condition
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  164. # [10:08] <@surkov> so you need similar for msaa and mac
  165. # [10:09] <Mark_Capella> oh .... didnt look that deep ... you're losing me here for mac / msaa / other
  166. # [10:12] <Mark_Capella> that involves MOZ_WIDGET_TOOLKIT and PLATFORM_DIR in makefiles ...
  167. # [10:17] <Mark_Capella> not sure we wanna got there ...
  168. # [10:17] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 746990 from --- to mozilla15.
  169. # [10:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746990 cri, --, mozilla15, markcapella, ASSI, crash in nsXULTreeAccessible::Value
  170. # [10:19] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: I think you should find some Makefile.in in source that makes similar things, take a look at widgets folder (there's platform specific code there)
  171. # [10:20] <Mark_Capella> ok ... still looking around ... just keeping in mind that -asis- works ... benefits of changing are ... ?
  172. # [10:23] <Mark_Capella> and looking towards doing Bug 748724 - de-ns-ify nsRootAccessible next ... assuming no major clash with GetName() still in progress
  173. # [10:23] <Mark_Capella> dont wanna re-base yet again
  174. # [10:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748724 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, de-ns-ify nsRootAccessible
  175. # [10:24] <Mark_Capella> last one only had 4 reject files but still its a pain
  176. # [10:27] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Yeah some stuff that hub initially dropped in his first patch to the bug, then got dropped by some other patch. So you only have to remove the case....and the ACCESSIBILITY= needs to be changed to ACCESSIBILITY=1.
  177. # [10:28] * @MarcoZ attaches new patch.
  178. # [10:28] <@surkov> MarcoZ: then maybe you will land it? :)
  179. # [10:41] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Yeah will do.
  180. # [10:52] <@surkov> ok
  181. # [10:54] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: see src/Makefile.in
  182. # [10:56] <Mark_Capella> did .... is what i was referring to --^
  183. # [10:56] <Mark_Capella> platform_dir etc.
  184. # [10:58] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Pushed.
  185. # [10:59] <@surkov> cool
  186. # [10:59] <Mark_Capella> oh.... hmmm... you think i could ifeq (toolkit, foo) LOCAL += atk or msaa, etc...
  187. # [10:59] <@surkov> yes
  188. # [10:59] <Mark_Capella> umm hmm umm hmm ... lets try
  189. # [11:00] <@surkov> but actually it's nice to keep that platform_dir shared
  190. # [11:02] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: you could introduce rules.mk file and define platform_dir there
  191. # [11:03] * @MarcoZ is holding his breath.
  192. # [11:04] <Mark_Capella> has to set it up so that atk uses atk, mac /mac, msaa /msaa, other /other ,,
  193. # [11:04] <Mark_Capella> trick is that default needs to use atk also ? i think ?
  194. # [11:06] <Mark_Capella> when i remove the exports and my build fails cause /base foo.cpp cant find the applicationaccessiblewrap.h ... it needs
  195. # [11:06] <Mark_Capella> to use which version ... atk?
  196. # [11:07] <Mark_Capella> yes i think the answer is
  197. # [11:27] <Mark_Capella> skip that last one that cant be right
  198. # [11:31] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Some of the OS X debug mochitest machines already turned green on my push.
  199. # [11:31] <@surkov> nice
  200. # [11:32] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: atk on linux only
  201. # [11:32] <Mark_Capella> yah .... using other ... has build running ... all is well so far ...
  202. # [11:40] <Mark_Capella> didnt have to change platform_dir...
  203. # [11:57] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 733513 from --- to mozilla15.
  204. # [11:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733513 nor, --, mozilla15, hub, NEW, Enable accessibility on Mac
  205. # [12:21] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Status on bug 748716 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  206. # [12:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748716 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, don't export ApplicationAccessibleWrap.h
  207. # [12:27] <@firebot> askalski@mozilla.com cancelled review?(surkov.alexander@gm ail.com) for attachment 618734 on bug 716644.
  208. # [12:27] <@firebot> askalski@mozilla.com requested review from hub@mozilla.com for attachment 618981 on bug 716644.
  209. # [12:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=716644 nor, --, ---, askalski, NEW, expandoify accessible roles
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  212. # [12:29] <@askalski> surkov, hi, updated patch again, can you give it a look?
  213. # [12:29] <@surkov> askalski: I can say the same
  214. # [12:29] <@surkov> what did you change?
  215. # [12:29] <@askalski> surkov, I removed all references to removed file
  216. # [12:30] <@surkov> anything else?
  217. # [12:30] <@surkov> askalski:
  218. # [12:30] <@askalski> until Hub's review? no
  219. # [12:31] <@askalski> but until your and Trevor's - yes
  220. # [12:31] <@surkov> ok, then let's take my version
  221. # [12:31] <@askalski> surkov, what version?
  222. # [12:31] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled review?(hub@mozilla.com) for attachment 618981 on bug 716644.
  223. # [12:31] <@surkov> check the bug
  224. # [12:31] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 618982 on bug 716644.
  225. # [12:37] <@askalski> surkov, checked. tell me whether I need to do something more with that or can I move forward
  226. # [12:37] <@surkov> move forward
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  249. # [15:41] <@MarcoZ> Hi davidb!
  250. # [15:42] <@davidb> hi!
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  252. # [15:42] <@davidb> ok i need to set up my linux box for android debugging
  253. # [15:42] <@davidb> i'm seeing a troublesome bug
  254. # [15:43] <@tbsaunde|zzz> oh?
  255. # [15:43] <@askalski> what troublesome bug?
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  257. # [15:44] <@davidb> MarcoZ: armenzg is the one to coordinate a11y config and tests on mac and he's on build-duty next week
  258. # [15:45] <@davidb> askalski: tbsaunde|busy the content process crashing and never coming back
  259. # [15:45] <@davidb> bug 749149
  260. # [15:45] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749149 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Sometimes the page loading indicator stops and I don't see a page.
  261. # [15:47] <@davidb> MarcoZ: what is Tony's nick?
  262. # [15:50] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Tony Chung? It's tchung.
  263. # [15:50] <@davidb> thanks
  264. # [15:52] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Thanks, will coordinate with armenzg and hub to make sure things pass. In the meantime, we *do* have builds with a11y enabled now, and nothing blew up on inbound.
  265. # [15:53] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Wondering whether we should send a heads-up to dev.planning about this.
  266. # [15:54] <@davidb> MarcoZ: where are the a11y enabled builds?
  267. # [15:54] <@davidb> MarcoZ: yes, to dev.planning please.
  268. # [15:56] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I looked at the tinderbox-builds.
  269. # [15:56] <@MarcoZ> And downloaded the first that had an increased size of the DMG.
  270. # [15:59] <@davidb> MarcoZ: so we are enabled on central or are you talking about branch?
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  272. # [16:00] <@davidb> tbsaunde|busy: busy with skewl?
  273. # [16:00] <@davidb> hi surkov
  274. # [16:00] <@surkov> hi, davidb
  275. # [16:01] <@tbsaunde|busy> davidb: yes
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  278. # [16:01] <@davidb> trev, ok good luck
  279. # [16:02] <@MarcoZ> davidb: mozilla-inbound
  280. # [16:02] <@tbsaunde|busy> thx
  281. # [16:02] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 559747 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  282. # [16:02] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Uplift to central needs to happen still.
  283. # [16:02] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 559747 to FIXED.
  284. # [16:02] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=559747 nor, --, mozilla15, markcapella, RESO FIXED, make <input type="search"> accessible
  285. # [16:02] <@davidb> why does the ubuntu distro of FF auto update - sit
  286. # [16:02] <@davidb> sit/sigh
  287. # [16:02] <@davidb> MarcoZ: ah gotcha
  288. # [16:03] <@davidb> MarcoZ: can you post to dev.planning?
  289. # [16:03] <@davidb> cc hub's email directly
  290. # [16:03] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 739884 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  291. # [16:03] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 739884 to FIXED.
  292. # [16:03] <@tbsaunde|busy> davidb: does or does not?
  293. # [16:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739884 nor, --, mozilla15, maxli, RESO FIXED, decomtaminate impl of UnselectRow() and UnselectCol() on accessible tables
  294. # [16:03] <@davidb> tbsaunde|busy: not
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  296. # [16:03] <@davidb> tbsaunde|busy: when i go to about, there is no update link
  297. # [16:03] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Will do!
  298. # [16:04] <@davidb> splendid
  299. # [16:05] <@tbsaunde|busy> davidb: I'd think so the pakcage manager deals with it
  300. # [16:05] <@davidb> tbsaunde|busy: ah makes sense
  301. # [16:05] <@tbsaunde|busy> also consider it's probably using system nspr / cairo / nss, which the package manager deals with
  302. # [16:06] <@davidb> yeah. "Ubuntu Software Centre"!
  303. # [16:06] <@tbsaunde|busy> so if firefox updated you could end up in a spot were it depends on a newer nss / nspr than is installed
  304. # [16:06] <@davidb> i can understand the desire for a distro to manage dependencies
  305. # [16:09] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 618979 on bug 748716.
  306. # [16:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748716 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, don't export ApplicationAccessibleWrap.h
  307. # [16:10] <@tbsaunde|busy> davidb: well, its not so much desire as if firefox is too use system li s its sort of required for correctness
  308. # [16:12] <@davidb> of course
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  313. # [16:18] <@MarcoZ> Message to dev.planning posted.
  314. # [16:20] <@davidb> MarcoZ: that looks perfect to me
  315. # [16:20] <@davidb> nice idea to cc qa
  316. # [16:22] <@davidb> uname -m
  317. # [16:22] <@davidb> bah
  318. # [16:22] <@MarcoZ> Yeah they should definitely look at this, too.
  319. # [16:22] <@MarcoZ> LOL
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  322. # [16:33] <@davidb> wow it is hard to get the jdk
  323. # [16:34] <@tbsaunde|busy> davidb: really?
  324. # [16:34] <@davidb> yes canonical removed it from repo
  325. # [16:34] <@davidb> and the workarounds are currently borken
  326. # [16:34] <@tbsaunde|busy> open jdk doesn't work for you?
  327. # [16:34] <aaronlev> davidb: what's up with html5 <menu> in various browsers, any idea?
  328. # [16:34] <@davidb> well i wanted to stick with the wiki
  329. # [16:34] <@davidb> aaronlev: dunno - i'd check quirksmode
  330. # [16:34] <@davidb> we have a bug sitting
  331. # [16:35] <aaronlev> trying to find it
  332. # [16:35] <aaronlev> seems like no one supports it yet
  333. # [16:35] <@tbsaunde|busy> davidb: weird, I thought we used open jdk on build slaves
  334. # [16:35] <@davidb> aaronlev: not surprised
  335. # [16:35] <@davidb> tbsaunde|busy: dunno
  336. # [16:35] <aaronlev> i am, it's a bit late in the html5 games
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  338. # [16:35] <aaronlev> if you know how to find the bug let me know
  339. # [16:35] <aaronlev> i found bug 699709
  340. # [16:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=699709 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, HTML5 "context menu" does not pop up by using context menu key
  341. # [16:36] * @davidb installs the open jdk
  342. # [16:36] <aaronlev> but not one for using <command>
  343. # [16:36] <aaronlev> surkov: you know?
  344. # [16:36] <aaronlev> i could use any kind of html5 element status related to firefox actually
  345. # [16:37] <aaronlev> or wiki
  346. # [16:37] * aaronlev goes back to searching
  347. # [16:37] <@surkov> aaronlev: firefox supports only context menus afaik
  348. # [16:37] <@davidb> http://html5test.com/
  349. # [16:38] <@MarcoZ> aaronlev: I am not sure that bug is still valid. I saw the HTML5 context menu come up just fine using the context menu, combined with the regular context menu commands for the page (or the given element).
  350. # [16:38] <aaronlev> davidb, marcoz: thanks!
  351. # [16:38] <aaronlev> MarcoZ: how do i bring up the html5 context menu?
  352. # [16:38] <aaronlev> i'm about to upad to 1.30a2
  353. # [16:38] <aaronlev> err, 13.0a2
  354. # [16:39] <@MarcoZ> aaronlev: Just by pressing the applications key on Windows, or right-clicking.
  355. # [16:39] <@MarcoZ> aaronlev: The HTML5 context menu gets integrated with the regular context menu items.
  356. # [16:39] <aaronlev> nice, ok
  357. # [16:39] <@MarcoZ> aaronlev: 13 is in beta now.
  358. # [16:40] <@MarcoZ> Or is going to be any day now.
  359. # [16:40] <aaronlev> MarcoZ: ok
  360. # [16:41] <aaronlev> MarcoZ: is that what you tested with?
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  363. # [16:55] <@MarcoZ> aaronlev: HTML5 context menu element support has beein in Firefox for a while now, I think since at least 10 or even 9. Don't remember which version.
  364. # [16:56] <@MarcoZ> aaronlev: Oh, it's been in since ver 8. See bug 617528.
  365. # [16:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=617528 enh, --, mozilla8, Jan.Varga, RESO FIXED, implement the HTML5 "context menu" feature (contextmenu attribute)
  366. # [17:05] <aaronlev> MarcoZ: i'm so behind the times :/
  367. # [17:13] <@davidb> the android sdk downloads all the software. all. the. software.
  368. # [17:14] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Let me guess: a) it didn't download *all* the software, or b) you're downloading the internet and just got scared. :)
  369. # [17:14] <@davidb> b
  370. # [17:14] <@MarcoZ> :D
  371. # [17:15] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I just installed my first web app from Labs. And the runtime is accessible from the start.
  372. # [17:17] <@davidb> I
  373. # [17:17] <@davidb> am
  374. # [17:17] <@davidb> happy
  375. # [17:17] <@davidb> HAPPY!
  376. # [17:17] <@davidb> what was the app?
  377. # [17:18] <@MarcoZ> The "manifest checker".
  378. # [17:18] <@MarcoZ> Basically accessibility problems that *can* occurr are in the markup of the web app, or our interpretation of that. So it's either our bug as usual, or the bug of the app vendor.
  379. # [17:18] <@davidb> yeah
  380. # [17:19] <@davidb> MarcoZ: this is K9O work of course…
  381. # [17:19] <@davidb> can you find out if there is going to be a "mozilla blessed app' badge?
  382. # [17:19] <@davidb> we need to have a11y as prime for tier1
  383. # [17:19] <@davidb> and pretend i know how to do quotation marks
  384. # [17:20] <@MarcoZ> I can try. :)
  385. # [17:21] <@davidb> hehe
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  387. # [17:30] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Mail is sent, and you're CC'd.
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  389. # [17:31] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Would like to leave a bit earlier today, need to run some errants before shops close. Yes, we have mostly non 24/7 shops in Germany still. :(
  390. # [17:32] <@davidb> MarcoZ: ok - have a nice weekend.
  391. # [17:32] <@davidb> nice/great
  392. # [17:32] <@MarcoZ> Nevermind, I'll just leave the window open until I get back and see if there's anything else I need to deal with before the weekend.
  393. # [17:32] <@MarcoZ> Ah thanks!
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  395. # [17:34] <aaronlev> davidb: i wonder if elements with a context menu should be in the tab order … probably not, for now
  396. # [17:35] <aaronlev> but in any case there's no real indication when something has a context menu
  397. # [17:35] <aaronlev> and a keyboard-only user can't get to it
  398. # [17:35] <@davidb> yes that is a big problem
  399. # [17:35] <@davidb> we should have a has popup or something
  400. # [17:35] <aaronlev> but that's just for AT users
  401. # [17:36] <@davidb> regarding key nav… i'd like to make it simple while understanding that AT has a ton of special case code for menus
  402. # [17:36] <aaronlev> how about modifying the mouse cursor so there is a little menu-looking box next to it
  403. # [17:36] <@davidb> so tabbing should be considered IMO
  404. # [17:36] <@davidb> yes there needs to be a visual indicator
  405. # [17:36] <@davidb> maybe… but what about touch screens?
  406. # [17:37] <@davidb> oh duh
  407. # [17:37] <aaronlev> right, if there is a bluetooth kbd is needs to be supported
  408. # [17:37] <aaronlev> otherwise some gesture
  409. # [17:37] <@davidb> i bet this has been discussed many times in many places
  410. # [17:37] <aaronlev> i like the two finger touch myself
  411. # [17:37] <@davidb> twss
  412. # [17:37] <aaronlev> well, sighted keyboard users tend to get forgotten
  413. # [17:37] <@davidb> yeah
  414. # [17:38] <@davidb> we're pushing to have that in qa
  415. # [17:38] <@davidb> sighted keyboard user qa
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  417. # [17:38] <@davidb> we've had things leak through
  418. # [17:38] <aaronlev> it's almost the first line of defense
  419. # [17:38] <aaronlev> for accessibility
  420. # [17:38] <@davidb> it is
  421. # [17:38] <@davidb> it is a11y 101
  422. # [17:39] <aaronlev> i think aria-haspopup makes it sound like enter will get the popup
  423. # [17:40] <@davidb> probs
  424. # [17:40] <aaronlev> sorry, not aria-haspopup, i mean MSAAA HASPOPUP
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  426. # [17:40] <aaronlev> i think it needs to be an object attribute or a new state
  427. # [17:40] * @davidb nods
  428. # [17:40] <aaronlev> HAS_CONTEXTMENU
  429. # [17:40] <@davidb> hascontext
  430. # [17:40] <@davidb> yeah
  431. # [17:40] <aaronlev> or, expose as actions
  432. # [17:40] <@davidb> i wouldn't restrict it to menu
  433. # [17:40] <@davidb> has context invokable ui
  434. # [17:40] <aaronlev> that's kind of what actions were for
  435. # [17:41] <@davidb> good idea
  436. # [17:42] <aaronlev> we should get that in html5 implementation guide
  437. # [17:43] <@davidb> i have to create a motrola dev account to install this sdk?
  438. # [17:43] <@davidb> wtf
  439. # [17:45] <@tbsaunde|busy> davidb: what are you doing?
  440. # [17:47] <@davidb> tbsaunde|busy: android update sdk -u
  441. # [17:47] <@davidb> after 45 mins it stops and asks for a login to continute
  442. # [17:47] <@davidb> i'm chatting on #mobile
  443. # [17:48] <@tbsaunde|busy> davidb: that is really strange, I haven't updated mine in awhile, never seen that
  444. # [17:48] <@davidb> yeah i didn't get this about 5 months ago
  445. # [17:57] <@davidb> ok the workaround is to run the android thinner and select what i want via gui
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  452. # [18:23] <@davidb> khuey|away: congrats on bug 695480
  453. # [18:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=695480 nor, --, mozilla15, khuey, RESO FIXED, Remove support for Chrome -> Content leaks
  454. # [18:34] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
  455. # [18:34] <khuey> davidb: thanks
  456. # [18:35] <khuey> it's awesome
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  458. # [18:35] <@davidb> khuey: nice post too
  459. # [18:35] * @davidb lifts khuey up on his shoulders… runs around
  460. # [18:37] <khuey> heh
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  463. # [18:46] <@hub> yeah that's awesome.
  464. # [18:46] <@hub> time to rebuild Nightly
  465. # [18:47] <fxa90id> :) hi
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  468. # [19:08] <@davidb> finally.. building fennec
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  471. # [19:19] <anon> hello
  472. # [19:20] * @davidb waves
  473. # [19:20] <anon> any help from a hobbyist java developer wanted??
  474. # [19:23] <@davidb> anon: sure! what do you want to work on?
  475. # [19:24] <@davidb> anon: there are a few places to make your initial contributions a little smoother
  476. # [19:24] <@davidb> one is here
  477. # [19:24] <@davidb> another is #introduction
  478. # [19:24] <@davidb> java specifically is being used on firefox mobile native
  479. # [19:24] <@davidb> but if you can work via other languages consider our a11y page:
  480. # [19:25] <@davidb> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Contribute
  481. # [19:26] <anon> thank you very much davidb....i'll check out that channel and link you gave
  482. # [19:26] <@davidb> sure and don't be afraid to ask questions
  483. # [19:27] <anon> thank you, i won't :).
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  490. # [19:46] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Target Milestone on bug 747270 from --- to mozilla15.
  491. # [19:46] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=747270 nor, --, mozilla15, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] UtterangeGenerator should return string lists in all generator methods
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  493. # [19:50] <@davidb> hi eeejay
  494. # [19:51] <@davidb> eeejay: for make -f client.mk build_and_deploy… do you need to be root?
  495. # [19:51] * @davidb is getting permission denied in the final steps
  496. # [19:52] <@tbsaunde|busy> davidb: what command is it trying to run?
  497. # [19:53] <@davidb> i wish i could cut and paste
  498. # [19:53] <@davidb> nsinstall -D /usr/local/lib/firefox-15.0a1
  499. # [19:53] <@davidb> i don't think i have an instance running
  500. # [19:53] * @davidb checks
  501. # [19:54] <@davidb> nope
  502. # [19:54] <@eeejay> davidb, never heard of that build target
  503. # [19:54] <@eeejay> davidb, what are you talking about?
  504. # [19:54] <@davidb> hmm
  505. # [19:54] <@davidb> e
  506. # [19:54] <@davidb> xpo
  507. # [19:54] <@davidb> rt
  508. # [19:54] <@davidb> wth
  509. # [19:55] <@davidb> export foo=bar works across terminal shells right?
  510. # [19:55] <@tbsaunde|busy> well, installing to /usr/local/ requires root, why your running a target that wants to do that isn't really clear to me
  511. # [19:55] <@eeejay> davidb, nope
  512. # [19:55] <@davidb> darn it
  513. # [19:55] <@tbsaunde|busy> I don't follow the running instance thing at all
  514. # [19:55] <@davidb> it doesn't
  515. # [19:56] <@davidb> s'ok nevermind
  516. # [19:56] <@davidb> the problem is higher up
  517. # [19:56] <@tbsaunde|busy> I have no idea how it could since enviroment is copied when a new process is created
  518. # [19:57] <@davidb> s'ok sometimes i forget what os i'm on
  519. # [19:57] * @tbsaunde|busy has never heard of a terminal emulator that doesn't support copy / paste
  520. # [19:58] <@davidb> tbsaunde|busy: this chat window is not on the linux box
  521. # [19:58] <@tbsaunde|busy> ah
  522. # [19:58] <fxa90id> tbsaunde|busy, xterm :)
  523. # [19:58] <@tbsaunde|busy> that's why you run irc in screen ;-)
  524. # [19:59] * @eeejay cringes thinking about installing anything manually in /usr, even /usr/local
  525. # [20:00] <@davidb> why is installing jdk on ubuntu so messed up
  526. # [20:01] <@davidb> ok progress
  527. # [20:01] <@davidb> i need to stick these exports in my bashrc
  528. # [20:01] * @davidb shakes his fist at himself
  529. # [20:01] * @davidb hunts tylenol
  530. # [20:02] <@tbsaunde|busy> installing open jdk / jre has always just worked for me
  531. # [20:03] <@eeejay> davidb, you are setting up an android build env?
  532. # [20:03] <@eeejay> davidb, make sure to use the custom ndk with the gold linker
  533. # [20:06] <@davidb> eeejay: i set up the gold linker after i got the regular ndk :(
  534. # [20:06] <@davidb> the wiki order of info is not ideal
  535. # [20:06] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
  536. # [20:06] <@eeejay> davidb, did you build it with the regular ndk already?
  537. # [20:06] <@eeejay> davidb, if not, no harm
  538. # [20:06] <@davidb> it is going now
  539. # [20:06] <@davidb> building
  540. # [20:07] <@eeejay> oh
  541. # [20:07] <@davidb> no harm in what sense?
  542. # [20:07] <@eeejay> davidb, it is just a pain to switch. you should probably clobber your objdir and clear ccache
  543. # [20:07] <@eeejay> although that might be extreme
  544. # [20:07] * @davidb does that
  545. # [20:08] <@davidb> i'm not sure i need to build fennec anymore
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  547. # [20:17] <@eeejay> davidb, why not?
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  549. # [20:20] <@davidb> eeejay: well i was gonna debug something but i think mobile peeps are on it
  550. # [20:20] <@davidb> when bugzilla is back… bug 749149
  551. # [20:21] <@eeejay> are they still crowding your office?
  552. # [20:21] <fxa90id> :)
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  554. # [20:23] <fxa90id> :O
  555. # [20:23] <fxa90id> bugzilla doesnt work :O
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  557. # [20:38] <@eeejay> davidb, bug 749719
  558. # [20:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749719 nor, --, Firefox 15, eitan, NEW, Activate accessibility mode when device a11y is enabled
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  560. # [20:41] <@davidb> ok ibuprofen… kick in already
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  565. # [21:04] <@davidb> when i do a git clone, why does it say cloning *into* gaia?
  566. # [21:05] * @davidb finished fennec, moved on to b2t
  567. # [21:05] <@davidb> b2g
  568. # [21:05] <@eeejay> busy day
  569. # [21:06] <@eeejay> davidb, it is cloning into that subdir
  570. # [21:06] <@davidb> ohhh
  571. # [21:06] <@davidb> how silly
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  573. # [21:06] <@davidb> actually not a busy day
  574. # [21:07] <hub> people are cleaning their desk here
  575. # [21:08] <@davidb> hmmm?
  576. # [21:09] <@davidb> ohhh the move is on?
  577. # [21:09] <@davidb> or the in-between time i guess
  578. # [21:10] <@eeejay> next work week in the couv?
  579. # [21:10] <@tbsaunde|busy> davidb: why is saying cloning into $dir silly?
  580. # [21:10] <@davidb> i'm silly
  581. # [21:10] <@davidb> i thought it was something more complicated
  582. # [21:10] <@tbsaunde|busy> oh, heh
  583. # [21:13] <@davidb> eeejay: that's far for marco but mebbe
  584. # [21:13] <@davidb> i'm thinking august
  585. # [21:14] <@davidb> or october
  586. # [21:14] <@davidb> not sept
  587. # [21:18] <hub> davidb: move is Sunday. :-)
  588. # [21:19] <@davidb> nice
  589. # [21:19] <@davidb> i want pics on monday :)
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  601. # [23:13] <hub> davidb: we are not getting into the new office next week. inspection is delayed
  602. # [23:20] <@davidb> bah
  603. # [23:25] <@eeejay> hub, put your stapler back in the drawer..
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  605. # [23:29] <hub> beer o'clock
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