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- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [01:18] <@firebot> New Firefox - Keyboard Navigation bug 751749 filed by david+bugs@madore.org.
- # [01:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751749 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, cannot configure keyboard shortcuts to use Meta modifier instead of Alt
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- # [01:53] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 751769 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
- # [01:53] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751769 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] attaching AccessFu to more than one window raises havoc
- # [01:55] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 620895 on bug 751769.
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- # [02:06] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 620900 on bug 750528.
- # [02:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750528 nor, --, mozilla15, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] Add preference for enabling/disabling AccessFu
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- # [02:17] <@hub> seems like EVENT_STATE_CHANGED is never sent for the "INVISIBLE" state change
- # [02:17] <@hub> or the state never changes
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- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [03:07] * Topic is '"build the web for everyone" | release schedule: http://mzl.la/LNc0W | accessibility list https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/accessibility'
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- # [03:12] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 620895 on bug 751769.
- # [03:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751769 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] attaching AccessFu to more than one window raises havoc
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- # [04:04] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 620900 on bug 750528.
- # [04:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750528 nor, --, mozilla15, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] Add preference for enabling/disabling AccessFu
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- # [04:19] <@davidb> eeejay: I'm unsure about isEnabled :)
- # [04:19] <@eeejay> davidb, too generic?
- # [04:19] <@davidb> don't you then later call this.enable?
- # [04:19] <@davidb> it is more like isToBeEnabled right?
- # [04:19] <@eeejay> yeah :P
- # [04:19] <@davidb> hee hee
- # [04:20] <@eeejay> ok, amINeeded..
- # [04:20] <@davidb> it was funny...
- # [04:20] <@eeejay> yeah, too many "enable" stages here
- # [04:20] <@davidb> my brain hurt for a while because mode and pref merged together like a monster
- # [04:20] <@eeejay> sry
- # [04:20] <@davidb> in my poor old mind :)
- # [04:21] <@eeejay> heh
- # [04:21] <@davidb> actually i need to stop talking about how young i am
- # [04:21] <@eeejay> just tested in ics
- # [04:21] <@eeejay> it works-ish
- # [04:21] <@davidb> ish?
- # [04:21] <@eeejay> need to record my thoughts more clearly tomorrow
- # [04:22] <@eeejay> i think the main diff is in the "clicked" event
- # [04:22] <@eeejay> not the worst casualty
- # [04:25] <@davidb> eeejay: what is that hebrew word for matchmaker?
- # [04:25] <@eeejay> shadchan
- # [04:25] <@davidb> Shadchan?
- # [04:25] <@davidb> thanks
- # [04:25] <@eeejay> or shadchanit
- # [04:25] <@eeejay> for female
- # [04:25] <@davidb> ok
- # [04:26] <@eeejay> shiduch is yiddish/hebrew for a made match
- # [04:36] <@eeejay> i still sweat a bit every time i push to inbound
- # [04:39] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Target Milestone on bug 751769 from --- to mozilla15.
- # [04:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751769 nor, --, mozilla15, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] attaching AccessFu to more than one window raises havoc
- # [04:40] <@davidb> heh
- # [04:40] <@davidb> well we all used to push to central
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- # [04:41] <Mark_Capella> :O
- # [04:42] <Mark_Capella> im still happy letting surkov push my stuff
- # [04:43] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 751796 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
- # [04:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751796 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] disable() does not work well
- # [04:44] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 620933 on bug 751796.
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- # [05:00] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 620933 on bug 751796.
- # [05:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751796 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] disable() does not shut down event listeners
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- # [05:47] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 751623 from ASSIGNED to NEW.
- # [05:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751623 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in nsRootAccessible::Name
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- # [08:34] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 748724 from --- to mozilla15.
- # [08:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748724 nor, --, mozilla15, markcapella, ASSI, de-ns-ify nsRootAccessible
- # [08:40] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 620620 on bug 751496.
- # [08:40] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 620975 on bug 751496.
- # [08:40] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 751496 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
- # [08:40] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751496 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, get rid nsAccessible::GetBoundsFrame
- # [08:47] <drexler> surkov: about bug 445516, does the generated bullet point affect the offsets in anyway?
- # [08:47] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=445516 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, ASSI, Support auto-generated=true text attribute on list bullets
- # [08:48] <@surkov> drexler: it should
- # [08:49] <tbsaunde> surkov: I don't believe our atk callbacks should ever be called on the atk object for a native root accessible
- # [08:49] <tbsaunde> since we get that atk object from gtk iirc
- # [08:50] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I didn't read whole stack, it appears you're righy
- # [08:50] <@surkov> tbsaunde: we are just in the middle of shutdown
- # [08:51] <@surkov> tbsaunde: we null out mDocument and then remove the document from parent
- # [08:51] <tbsaunde> oh, then atk fires children-changed
- # [08:51] <tbsaunde> ?
- # [08:52] <tbsaunde> and we're called from that handler or something
- # [08:52] <tbsaunde> I didn't read the whole stack either fwiw
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- # [09:00] <@surkov> yep
- # [09:01] <tbsaunde> surkov: presumably things other than GetName could get called too right?
- # [09:02] <@surkov> absolutely
- # [09:02] <tbsaunde> so implementing Name() doesn't seem like a great idea...
- # [09:04] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I wonder if we should trigger children-changed event when we mutate the tre
- # [09:04] <@surkov> tree
- # [09:04] <@surkov> we could map our show/hide events into that signal if they are ok to get a signal on root of changed subtree
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- # [09:05] <tbsaunde> isn't that what we already do?
- # [09:13] <@surkov> tbsaunde: per stack we fire that signal when we mutate the tree
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- # [09:34] <tbsaunde> surkov: oh, I forgot we do special stuffs for Application accessible
- # [09:34] <tbsaunde> I have no idea why or if we need to
- # [09:35] <tbsaunde> and I'm to tired and busy to try and think about it
- # [09:35] <@surkov> tbsaunde: can you ask on atk mail list?
- # [09:40] <tbsaunde> surkov: maybe saturday my time, but tbh I don't have my thoughts together as to what to ask right now
- # [09:40] <@surkov> ok
- # [09:41] <tbsaunde> off hand it seems like those events should probably be dups since we fire for both mutation event when root accessible is added, and during tree mutation
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- # [10:09] <@surkov> tbsaunde: not exactly, in case of document we fire reorder event on container only
- # [10:10] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 620775 on bug 751623.
- # [10:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751623 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in nsRootAccessible::Name
- # [10:17] <tbsaunde> surkov: oh, so root accessible is never subject of show / hide?
- # [10:18] <tbsaunde> surkov: then how would your idea work?
- # [10:18] <@surkov> in this case it probably won't :)
- # [10:18] <tbsaunde> of course what we have is sort of broken for documents that aren't root accessibles, but ...
- # [10:18] <@surkov> if we don't introduce them :)
- # [10:20] <tbsaunde> surkov: true
- # [10:20] <tbsaunde> do you want to introduce them?
- # [10:20] <tbsaunde> my tired mind thinks its sort of reasonalbe and then we can get rid of that funny logic
- # [10:20] <@surkov> we could do that if it doesn't break AT :)
- # [10:21] <tbsaunde> I'd think it probably shouldn't since they just get notified a little later right?
- # [10:24] <@surkov> they will receive show/hide events for document and they didn't do that previously. So if they have some logic for show/hide events that could do some bad things when target is a document then we're in trouble
- # [10:25] <@surkov> I'm pretty sure they process documents differently than tree mutation
- # [10:25] <@surkov> so if tree mutation logic starts to process documents then result is undefined I guess
- # [10:29] <tbsaunde> kkI guss
- # [10:30] <tbsaunde> on the other hand adding a document is just sort of tree mutation, so firing mutation event feels more correct to me
- # [10:35] <tbsaunde> surkov: ^
- # [10:35] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 751828 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
- # [10:36] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 620985 on bug 751828.
- # [10:36] <@surkov> tbsaunde: that's right
- # [10:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751828 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, densify nsHTMLListAccessible
- # [10:36] <@surkov> but the concern if we do break them or not
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- # [11:35] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 750193 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [11:35] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 750193 to FIXED.
- # [11:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750193 nor, --, mozilla15, maxli, RESO FIXED, get rid useless DEBUG_A11Y code
- # [11:35] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 750196 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [11:35] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 750196 to FIXED.
- # [11:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750196 nor, --, mozilla15, maxli, RESO FIXED, remove ROLE_SYSTEM_ definitions
- # [11:35] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 750853 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [11:35] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 750853 to FIXED.
- # [11:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750853 nor, --, mozilla15, hub, RESO FIXED, mozilla/a11y/Role.h:817: error: comma at end of enumerator list
- # [11:35] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 748601 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [11:35] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 748601 to FIXED.
- # [11:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748601 nor, --, mozilla15, maxli, RESO FIXED, nsMaiInterfaceText.cpp should check internal role not atk role
- # [11:37] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 747272 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [11:38] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 747272 to FIXED.
- # [11:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=747272 nor, --, mozilla15, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Filter out whitespace text leaves in navigation
- # [11:38] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 749812 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [11:38] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 749812 to FIXED.
- # [11:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749812 nor, --, mozilla15, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Display text editing changes
- # [11:38] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 751428 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [11:38] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 751428 to FIXED.
- # [11:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751428 nor, --, mozilla15, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Remove spaces and catch exceptions when localizing role names
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- # [11:53] <@MarcoZ> surkDo you have stuff to land on inbound soon, or should I just land bug 751623 myself?
- # [11:53] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751623 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in nsRootAccessible::Name
- # [11:53] <@MarcoZ> Oh, surkov isn't here. OK, I'll land it.
- # [12:11] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 751623 from --- to mozilla15.
- # [12:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751623 cri, --, mozilla15, nobody, NEW, crash in nsRootAccessible::Name
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- # [15:42] <@davidb> heyo
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- # [16:12] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Hi!
- # [16:12] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Did my reply w.r.t. the new pdf.js viewer make any sense? I wasn't sure, it was before coffee O'clock when I wrote this.
- # [16:12] <@davidb> i skimmed it so far
- # [16:13] <@MarcoZ> k
- # [16:14] <@davidb> MarcoZ: I should have reply-alled and cc'ed you originally
- # [16:14] <@davidb> want me to do that so the discussion can be direct?
- # [16:15] * @davidb does that
- # [16:16] <@MarcoZ> Yeah of course!
- # [16:16] <@davidb> MarcoZ: BTW thanks for looking at the issue - I'm glad you found the time.
- # [16:16] <@davidb> thanks
- # [16:16] <@MarcoZ> It's just that I don't remember *what* low vision user problem this technique actually has. it definitely has a negative impact on screen readers, too, since the buttons have no caption whatsoever, and the title isn't used.
- # [16:16] <@davidb> let me re-read
- # [16:17] <@MarcoZ> That's what I'm employed for, among other things, is it not? ;-) So np!
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- # [16:19] <@davidb> good point!
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- # [17:10] <@davidb> MarcoZ: I provided a reply for the pdf folks with workarounds
- # [17:13] <@MarcoZ> Saw it, thanks!
- # [17:14] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Anything else you need from me today? If not, I'd like to go off and prepare to watch my sister perform in a theater play in 2 hours.
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- # [17:22] <@MarcoZ> OK, am off, have a good weekend!
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- # [17:24] <@davidb> err wait a sec
- # [17:24] <@davidb> too late :)
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- # [18:23] <Bryen> hi clown
- # [18:24] <Bryen> clown, Just an FYI. I've tried your solution with the webdev plugin and your css. It does work in most cases, although annoying to have to reload the css every time.
- # [18:24] <clown> hey Bryen
- # [18:24] <Bryen> Some pages look weird though, particularly google plus. But seems that's more a design issue on their side than anything else.
- # [18:25] <clown> glad it does something. would be useful if FF could change its functionality here.
- # [18:25] <clown> yeah, if you start overriding some author styles but not others, things can start to look odd.
- # [18:25] <Bryen> yes. Every time I go to a new page, its like a flashlight in my eyes until I find the css reloader :-)
- # [18:26] <Bryen> clown, one thing though. Our first example was the opensuse page, and you had gotten its colors back, but I don't get the colors back, just the info in those boxes.
- # [18:26] <Bryen> I'm wondering why the difference but maybe its some setting on my part. I dunno.
- # [18:27] <clown> I think I was testing FF 11 on Fedora-16
- # [18:27] <clown> And, if I recall correctly, I also did a quick test on a Mac (with FF).
- # [18:28] <clown> and got the same results in both places.
- # [18:28] <Bryen> so you get the color in the three boxes "Get it, Discover it, create it" right?
- # [18:29] <Bryen> i only see the outline of the boxes. Not exactly a bad thing, just seems different from yours.
- # [18:29] <clown> Bryen: let me check again — what's the url again?
- # [18:30] <Bryen> clown, opensuse.org
- # [18:30] <clown> d'oh, that's obvious. hang on...
- # [18:31] <Bryen> :-)
- # [18:32] <clown> yes, I get that text. In fact, I remember I made a screen back then, and attached it to the bug. Here's a direct link: https://bug746205.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=615835
- # [18:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746205 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, CSS issues render color selection in FF useless
- # [18:32] * clown thanks firebot
- # [18:33] <Bryen> clown, oh ok so we do see the same thing. Whew , consistency!
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- # [18:35] <clown> right, I think the css overrides the author's colours — the css says "use black for the background colour".
- # [18:36] <Bryen> I surmise there's no easy way to differentiate between general overall background vs. specific item background
- # [18:39] <clown> the key word there is "easy". It's possible to do, but to find a consisten way across all web pages makes it impractical.
- # [18:40] <clown> it's better to have the authors make provisions for a high contrast or inverse look to their sites.
- # [18:40] <Bryen> clown, Perhaps we should get organized. Order the entire world to take down their websites and put it through a review process whereby it cannot be pbulished until you and I approve them.
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- # [18:41] <clown> oh, the power!
- # [18:41] <@davidb> you don't want that
- # [18:41] <@davidb> have you seen the internet?
- # [18:41] <Bryen> clown, trust me, most people won't do that. I encountered one man designing a photography site and asked him to be sure to make it accessible.
- # [18:41] <Bryen> He said "It's a photography site, there are no visually impaired people who would ever visit that."
- # [18:42] <clown> actually the law (can't remember what it's called in the US) should help here, as well as consumer complaints (assuming enough consumers complain).
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- # [18:43] <Bryen> the plethora of websites makes the consumer complaints seem neglible :-(
- # [18:43] <Bryen> Hmm I wonder if there's a complaint plugin.
- # [18:43] <clown> doe this photography site sell pictures? That could be purchased for gifts?
- # [18:44] <Bryen> Dunno. This was a conversation I had on wordpress IRC channel some time ago.
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- # [18:45] <clown> just brainstorming another approach: "you know, mr. photographer, with a little effort to accomodate low vision users, you could expand your sales".
- # [18:46] <Bryen> :-)
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- # [18:46] <clown> yes, davidb, I have seen the internet. or some of it at least. it's big. not the biggest thing there is, but big.
- # [18:46] * clown it must be friday.
- # [18:46] <@davidb> there are things you can't unsee
- # [18:49] * clown imagines that davidb has been scarred for life.
- # [18:52] <Bryen> :-)
- # [18:52] <Bryen> totally off-topic, anyone know of accessible IRC clients on Windows and Mac?
- # [18:54] <Mark_Capella> sounds like a movie trailer /low scary voice .... " some things, you can't unsee..."
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- # [18:57] <@davidb> heheh
- # [18:58] <Bryen> ?me unsees Mark_Capella|away now that he is away again.
- # [18:59] <Mark_Capella|away> cant make up my mind to go to bed
- # [18:59] <@davidb> Mark_Capella|away: fix all the bugs!
- # [18:59] <Bryen> or at least my bug!
- # [18:59] <Mark_Capella|away> nuke all the whales!
- # [18:59] <Mark_Capella|away> I did have a regression in JS that I had to fix yesterday
- # [18:59] <@davidb> yeah?
- # [19:00] <Mark_Capella|away> yah little tiny one ... but my first to hit nightly
- # [19:00] <Bryen> but that's not my bug. Get your priorities in order! :-)
- # [19:00] <Mark_Capella|away> :) havent tuned into yours yet
- # [19:01] <Mark_Capella|away> and right during PGO / linker stuff ... wot a pain
- # [19:03] <Mark_Capella|away> sighs ... another fantastic friday
- # [19:03] <Bryen> Friday is great! It means there's only three days left til Monday
- # [19:03] * Bryen is a sick bastard at times.
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- # [19:47] <drexler> anyone what r=me actually means?
- # [19:50] <@davidb> Bryen, clown can you give me a link to a page that mucks up images with HCM again?
- # [19:50] <@davidb> drexler: it means r+
- # [19:51] <@davidb> drexler: when we land fixes with have a comment like "Bug 1234 - fix the crap. r=drexler"
- # [19:51] <@davidb> so r=me means free to put r=davidb
- # [19:53] <@davidb> clown, Bryen or that bug #
- # [19:55] <@davidb> *crickets*
- # [19:55] <@davidb> oh found backscroll
- # [19:55] <@davidb> bug 746205
- # [19:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746205 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, CSS issues render color selection in FF useless
- # [20:04] <drexler> davidb: ok
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- # [20:09] <drexler> davidb: last question...so i don't have to re-request a review...just a carry over the r+ with the necessary changes?
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- # [20:16] <@davidb> drexler: bug #?
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- # [20:17] <drexler> davidb: oops it's not related to accessibility
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- # [20:18] <@davidb> drexler: doesn't matter i can look
- # [20:18] <drexler> bug 722599
- # [20:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=722599 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, NEW, Make the change event fired by the content instead of the layout
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- # [20:19] <@hub> I'm in a Beastie Boys kind of mood
- # [20:20] <@hub> btw, upgrading to Lion
- # [20:20] <@davidb> Sabotage!
- # [20:21] <@hub> exactly
- # [20:25] <@davidb> drexler: oh sorry i forgot to look 1 min
- # [20:26] <@davidb> clown, Bryen note this is a neat way of doing images that is immune to windows HCM pain https://github.com/mozilla/pdf.js/blob/master/web/viewer.css#L383
- # [20:27] <drexler> davidb: sure
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- # [20:27] <@davidb> drexler: what mounir has done is said "I trust you to fix the nits I have without screwing up, and I don't need to see the next patch, so r+ and r=me, but post the next patch for someone to land with the fixes"
- # [20:27] <drexler> davidb: okay :)
- # [20:28] <clown> davidb: i'm back. *checking log*
- # [20:28] <@davidb> drexler: you can always ask for review again to be sure… but up to you.
- # [20:28] <@davidb> (and not necessarily from mounir)
- # [20:28] <drexler> ok
- # [20:28] <@davidb> clown: most of it is moot
- # [20:28] <@davidb> clown: maybe the last link is interesting
- # [20:28] * clown stops checking log
- # [20:29] <clown> where you say: "clown, Bryen note this is a neat way of doing images that is immune to windows HCM pain"
- # [20:29] <clown> ?
- # [20:29] <@davidb> yes
- # [20:29] <@davidb> in case you are interested in that nuance
- # [20:29] <clown> okay, I'll look, but bug 746205 is not about Windows HCM.
- # [20:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746205 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, CSS issues render color selection in FF useless
- # [20:30] <Bryen> Windows???
- # [20:30] <@davidb> clown: true
- # [20:31] <@davidb> the background images off problem might be fixed in both cases
- # [20:32] <clown> the question is: does this method of putting in images work with the way FF implement user colour choice.
- # [20:32] <clown> right, davidb
- # [20:32] <clown> then again, they might not be.
- # [20:32] * @davidb nods
- # [20:33] <clown> also, this raies other a11y issues, like how does one get alt text for a content image specified in a style sheet.
- # [20:33] <clown> "raises"
- # [20:33] <clown> the aria spec recommends against doing this.
- # [20:34] <clown> it may also viloate some wcag principle, dunno.
- # [20:34] <Bryen> one thing that frustrates me is the alt text is usually blocked if you have a large mouse pointer
- # [20:35] <clown> "blocked" — you "covered up" by the mouse pointer image?
- # [20:35] <Bryen> yes
- # [20:36] <Bryen> sorry I wasn't technical enough :-D
- # [20:36] <clown> lol
- # [20:36] <clown> how is alt text displayed for you, brian? is it like a tool tip?
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- # [20:36] <Bryen> yes
- # [20:36] <clown> "bryen"
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- # [20:37] <Bryen> and I forgive you
- # [20:37] * clown hangs head in shame.
- # [20:37] <clown> the tool tip should be above the mouse pointer, no? (can't remember the layering rules0.
- # [20:37] <Bryen> would be cool if I could tell FF how to position the tool tip
- # [20:37] * clown typing prowess diminishing fast.
- # [20:37] <Bryen> yes but I guess when it is a large cursor, that doesn't work
- # [20:38] <clown> just checked — mouse is above everything.
- # [20:38] <clown> I think that's an OS rule. Nothing any application can do anything about.
- # [20:38] <Bryen> lemme find an example and screenshot it... hang on...
- # [20:39] <Bryen> this is the moment where you don't find examples when you need to...
- # [20:39] <clown> :-)
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- # [20:44] <Bryen> clown, http://www.bryen.com/images/mouse-tooltip.png
- # [20:45] <clown> so, this is general problem with toolitp displays, not just alt text on images.
- # [20:46] <Bryen> true
- # [20:46] <Bryen> is it because of something davidb broke at some point in the past?
- # [20:47] <clown> top of my head: the display of the tooltip should take into account the size of the mouse pointer, and position the tool tip so as to have the lease overlap.
- # [20:47] <clown> yeah, let's blame davidb.
- # [20:47] <Bryen> yes, in some cases the tooltip text is not very long and becomes completely overlayed by the mouse pointer
- # [20:48] <Bryen> I have yet to know whose brithday it is on today's Google doodle :-)
- # [20:48] <@davidb> clown: blame canada
- # [20:48] <Bryen> We have to actually remember that Canada actually is there before we can blame Canada.
- # [20:49] <clown> shhhhhh!
- # [20:49] <@davidb> Bryen: watch out… we have inoperable submarines.
- # [20:49] <@davidb> Thanks Britain.
- # [20:49] <clown> I'm betting that the top left corner of the tool tip is positioned close to the mouse's hot spot.
- # [20:50] <clown> So, if the mouse pointer is big, … it covers the tool tip.
- # [20:51] <drexler> !seen tbsaunde
- # [20:51] <@firebot> tbsaunde was last seen 10 hours, 15 minutes and 50 seconds ago, saying 'surkov: ^' in #accessibility.
- # [20:51] <clown> Bryen, you must experience something similar with menus — when a menu pops up, the menu item text is covered by the mouse pointer
- # [20:52] <Bryen> clown, I don't think so. You can usually drag the mouse away once the menu is visible.
- # [20:52] <Bryen> unless you're referring to a specific type of menu display
- # [20:52] <clown> true, I was thinking about when it first pops open. how about a right click on a link?
- # [20:53] <Bryen> don't have problems with those
- # [20:53] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 750528 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [20:53] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 750528 to FIXED.
- # [20:53] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750528 nor, --, mozilla15, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Add preference for enabling/disabling AccessFu
- # [20:53] <Bryen> clown, welll... technically not true...
- # [20:53] <Bryen> clown, while the mouse does overlap the menu, the menu has a sufficient margin to avoid this problem
- # [20:54] <Bryen> so maybe that's the answer... user-customized pre-margin of tooltip?
- # [20:54] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Status on bug 750528 from RESOLVED to REOPENED.
- # [20:54] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org cleared the Resolution 'FIXED' from bug 750528.
- # [20:55] <clown> I imagine that with a menu, as you say, you can move the mouse out of the way up to a point, and the menu is still there. But, for tooltips, their event horizon is smaller so if you move the mouse out of the way, the tooltip disappeasrs.
- # [20:55] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Status on bug 750528 from REOPENED to RESOLVED.
- # [20:55] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org set the Resolution field on bug 750528 to FIXED.
- # [20:55] <Bryen> clown, correct
- # [20:56] <Bryen> I think eeejay did those bug changes just to make me confused trying to read clown ^^ :-)
- # [20:56] <clown> I think the answer is for the tool tip renederer to take into accound the size of the point image, and move the popup as appropriate. But, that means the renderer has access to the pointer size.
- # [20:57] <clown> and, I doubt the renderer can access the pointer size info.
- # [20:57] <Bryen> i doubt it too
- # [20:57] <Bryen> I think customization of tooltip display is best though cumbersome for a user to have to tweak so many things
- # [20:58] <Bryen> and by the way, as long as we're looking into this, though its not a current issue for me, is there a way to adjust font/size of a tooltip display?
- # [20:58] <@eeejay> lol http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/22373409782/push-it-somewhere-else-patrick-saves-the-day
- # [20:58] <@eeejay> Bryen, sry!
- # [20:59] <@davidb> haha!
- # [20:59] <Bryen> :-)
- # [21:02] <@davidb> hi tbsaunde
- # [21:03] <@davidb> eeejay: gonna land bug 749719?
- # [21:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749719 nor, --, Firefox 15, eitan, NEW, Activate accessibility mode when device a11y is enabled
- # [21:03] <@eeejay> davidb, i freaked out and decided to do one last try server run first
- # [21:04] <@eeejay> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=b060de259272
- # [21:08] <tbsaunde> davidb: hi?
- # [21:09] <@davidb> tbsaunde: just saying hi, i think you were up late
- # [21:09] <@davidb> tbsaunde: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVZh4WcdC3s
- # [21:09] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 751985 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
- # [21:09] <@davidb> oops
- # [21:10] <@davidb> that was for fitan
- # [21:10] <@davidb> sigh
- # [21:10] <@davidb> eitan
- # [21:10] <@davidb> eeejay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVZh4WcdC3s
- # [21:10] <@firebot> Bug 751985 was not found.
- # [21:11] <tbsaunde> davidb: one could put it that way
- # [21:11] <@eeejay> yup, that's my mood. it's chic
- # [21:11] <@hub> "not available"
- # [21:11] <tbsaunde> I've been up far too long and don't feel gret, but have work that needs done :/
- # [21:11] <@hub> that's the new "pay the h264 racket" message
- # [21:11] <@davidb> ah
- # [21:11] <@davidb> sad
- # [21:12] <@eeejay> hub, stick it to the man
- # [21:12] <@davidb> tbsaunde: for skool?
- # [21:12] <@hub> eeejay: I do
- # [21:12] <tbsaunde> its the last week of classes before finals so expected
- # [21:12] <@davidb> tbsaunde: grab a healthy smoothy and expense it
- # [21:12] * @eeejay puts on headphones and freaks out
- # [21:12] <tbsaunde> heh
- # [21:12] <Bryen> hey I use Firefox, can I expense a smoothie?
- # [21:13] <@davidb> Bryen: expense it to Suse
- # [21:13] <Bryen> They're cheapskates!
- # [21:14] <@davidb> You know…. it is a good thing I don't have an expense account.
- # [21:14] <Bryen> they have the nerve to assume all expenses should go to actual productivity.
- # [21:14] <@hub> it is productivity
- # [21:15] <@davidb> hub: exactly
- # [21:15] <@davidb> just stick caffeine in it
- # [21:16] <@hub> beer is also productivity
- # [21:17] <@davidb> mmmm beeer
- # [21:26] <@davidb> hub: any updates on the office?
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- # [21:36] <@eeejay> i feel very unresponsible for all those talos regressions
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- # [22:12] <@hub> davidb: Monday should be good
- # [22:12] <@davidb> hub: hmm?
- # [22:12] <@davidb> oh office
- # [22:12] <@davidb> cool
- # [22:12] <@hub> move to the new office
- # [22:12] <@hub> yeah
- # [22:16] <@davidb> i'm close to calling it… too bad you guys are 3 hours behind
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- # [22:19] <@hub> davidb: I'll be soon in the right timezone :-)
- # [22:19] <@davidb> :)
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- # [22:29] <@davidb> heheh thanks nelio
- # [22:29] <@davidb> (http://isitmfbt.com/)
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- # [22:37] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org cancelled review?(surkov.alexander@gm ail.com) for attachment 619982 on bug 745986.
- # [22:38] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 621158 on bug 745986.
- # [22:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745986 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Display page loading states
- # [22:42] <@firebot> ehsan@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 748724 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
- # [22:42] <@firebot> ehsan@mozilla.com set the Resolution field on bug 748724 to FIXED.
- # [22:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748724 nor, --, mozilla15, markcapella, RESO FIXED, de-ns-ify nsRootAccessible
- # [22:44] <icaaq> a work in progress attempt to make the tabzilla more accessible http://icaaq.com/sandbox/mozilla/mozilla-org.htm please try it out :)
- # [22:46] <@firebot> ehsan@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 751623 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [22:46] <@firebot> ehsan@mozilla.com set the Resolution field on bug 751623 to FIXED.
- # [22:46] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751623 cri, --, mozilla15, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, crash in nsRootAccessible::Name
- # [22:52] <drexler> tbsaunde: free to talk about bug 445516
- # [22:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=445516 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, ASSI, Support auto-generated=true text attribute on list bullets
- # [22:52] <drexler> tbsaunde: ?
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