/irc-logs / mozilla / #accessibility / 2012-05-07 / end
Options:
- # Session Start: Mon May 07 00:00:00 2012
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
- # [00:24] * Quits: victorporof (victorporo@6D75BBCC.1C233438.79933D60.IP) (Ping timeout)
- # [01:19] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 621471 on bug 747227.
- # [01:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=747227 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, decomtaminate GetCellIndexAt() on accessible tables
- # [01:35] * Quits: sam (sam@moz-7813285F.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) (Quit: Leaving)
- # [01:37] * Quits: ehsan (ehsan@BEDFFF26.EE049E25.8B035CD7.IP) (Input/output error)
- # [01:58] * shorlander is now known as shorlander-away
- # [01:58] * Quits: shorlander-away (shorlander@moz-853043D6.dhcp.insightbb.com) (Quit: Quit)
- # [02:47] * Joins: shorlander-away (shorlander@moz-853043D6.dhcp.insightbb.com)
- # [02:48] * shorlander-away is now known as shorlander
- # [03:51] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org granted feedback for attachment 621364 on bug 739190.
- # [03:51] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739190 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, change AppendTarget(nsIContent* aContent) to take nsDocAccessible* argument
- # [03:57] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 621364 on bug 739190.
- # [05:33] * Joins: ehsan (ehsan@BEDFFF26.EE049E25.8B035CD7.IP)
- # [05:46] * Joins: victorporof (victorporo@3525974A.DA9DCE7D.79933D60.IP)
- # [06:02] * Joins: hub (hub@moz-E2FCA694.figuiere.net)
- # [06:02] * ChanServ sets mode: +o hub
- # [06:14] * Quits: peteb-away (ptbrunet@moz-E9B02845.austin.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout)
- # [06:35] * Joins: icaaq (Adium@moz-718D9655.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)
- # [06:38] * Joins: jhk (jiggy@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP)
- # [06:57] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
- # [07:18] * khuey is now known as khuey|away
- # [07:33] * Quits: JulienP (julien.pic@moz-DFEC0675.opera.com) (Quit: )
- # [07:35] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 620985 on bug 751828.
- # [07:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751828 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, densify nsHTMLListAccessible
- # [07:43] * Joins: surkov (surkov@C1A6A50A.88321457.33A1AC3C.IP)
- # [07:43] * ChanServ sets mode: +o surkov
- # [07:45] * Quits: jhk (jiggy@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP) (Connection reset by peer)
- # [07:50] * Joins: mike5w3c (MikeS@moz-61795131.u08.hotspot.ne.jp)
- # [07:51] * Quits: mike5w3c (MikeS@moz-61795131.u08.hotspot.ne.jp) (Quit: Make the road by walking. (B-side: Tired of Fighting))
- # [08:09] * Joins: jhk (jiggy@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP)
- # [08:12] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 621471 on bug 747227.
- # [08:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=747227 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, decomtaminate GetCellIndexAt() on accessible tables
- # [08:19] * Quits: victorporof (victorporo@3525974A.DA9DCE7D.79933D60.IP) (Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com)
- # [08:43] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 620234 on bug 751079.
- # [08:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751079 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, get rid misuses of nsAccessible::GetBoundaryFrame
- # [08:50] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled feedback?(trev.saunders@gma il.com) for attachment 621406 on bug 750295.
- # [08:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750295 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, don't cache gStringBundle in nsAccessNode
- # [08:53] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com granted feedback for attachment 621393 on bug 614585.
- # [08:53] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=614585 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, mochitest test selection functions for nsIAccessibleText
- # [08:56] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com granted feedback for attachment 621343 on bug 750191.
- # [08:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750191 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, move IsTextInterfaceSupportCorrect under DEBUG ifdef
- # [09:11] * Quits: ehsan (ehsan@BEDFFF26.EE049E25.8B035CD7.IP) (Input/output error)
- # [09:18] * Quits: @hub (hub@moz-E2FCA694.figuiere.net) (Ping timeout)
- # [09:26] * Quits: jhk (jiggy@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP) (Connection reset by peer)
- # [09:27] * Joins: jhk (jiggy@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP)
- # [09:34] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 620975 on bug 751496.
- # [09:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751496 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, get rid nsAccessible::GetBoundsFrame
- # [10:14] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 621529 on bug 750191.
- # [10:15] * Joins: MarcoZ (Daily@moz-92E72603.dip.t-dialin.net)
- # [10:15] * ChanServ sets mode: +o MarcoZ
- # [10:17] * Quits: @MarcoZ (Daily@moz-92E72603.dip.t-dialin.net) (Quit: MarcoZ)
- # [10:17] * Joins: MarcoZ (Daily@moz-92E72603.dip.t-dialin.net)
- # [10:17] * ChanServ sets mode: +o MarcoZ
- # [10:17] * Quits: @MarcoZ (Daily@moz-92E72603.dip.t-dialin.net) (Input/output error)
- # [10:18] * Joins: MarcoZ (Daily@moz-92E72603.dip.t-dialin.net)
- # [10:18] * ChanServ sets mode: +o MarcoZ
- # [10:23] * Joins: mike5w3c (MikeS@moz-DAFE1A45.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp)
- # [10:35] * Joins: margle (margle@E3F0FA38.AA35ED30.A77EFE04.IP)
- # [10:38] * Joins: askalski (akuda@moz-4C8A107E.pool85-48-91.dynamic.orange.es)
- # [10:38] * ChanServ sets mode: +o askalski
- # [10:38] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 621393 on bug 614585.
- # [10:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=614585 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, mochitest test selection functions for nsIAccessibleText
- # [10:40] <@askalski> morning everyone
- # [10:42] <tbsaunde> morning askalski
- # [10:51] <@MarcoZ> Morning askalski, tbsaunde, surkov!
- # [10:51] <@MarcoZ> Hi all!
- # [10:51] <@surkov> hi, MarcoZ
- # [10:51] <@MarcoZ> surkov: So, does the recent Android-related checkins mean that we now have a11y enabled in nightly builds whenever we turn on a11y on Android?
- # [10:52] * Quits: @askalski (akuda@moz-4C8A107E.pool85-48-91.dynamic.orange.es) (Quit: Wychodzi)
- # [10:53] <@surkov> MarcoZ: it shouldn't but I don't track changes hard (I saw the bug to add a preference to enable a11y but iirc it's not turned on by default)
- # [10:57] <@MarcoZ> surkov: OK!
- # [10:57] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Yeah I lost track a bit myself, too.
- # [10:58] <@surkov> many patches is characteristic of progressive dev approach
- # [10:59] <tbsaunde> surkov: wasn't there another one that did look at if android a11y is on?
- # [11:00] * tbsaunde has started only lightly sking bugs whose summary starts with [AccessFo] *
- # [11:00] <@surkov> tbsaunde: iirc this one was on trunk for some time (but I'm not sure about android part)
- # [11:00] * Quits: jhk (jiggy@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP) (Connection reset by peer)
- # [11:00] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde: surkov: My basic question was: Do I still need to wait for special builds from eeejay to test progress in Android a11y, or can I now do it through nightly builds off our build machines. But seems I still need to ask for special builds.
- # [11:02] * Joins: jhk (jiggy@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP)
- # [11:07] <@surkov> MarcoZ: I don't know answer
- # [11:08] <tbsaunde> it seems like there is any way to test this...
- # [11:08] <tbsaunde> err, s/any/ an easy/
- # [11:14] * Quits: mike5w3c (MikeS@moz-DAFE1A45.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp) (Ping timeout)
- # [11:16] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted feedback for attachment 620687 on bug 750287.
- # [11:16] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750287 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, don't cache is form fill enabled pref
- # [11:24] * surkov sets mode: +o tbsaunde
- # [11:55] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 621158 on bug 745986.
- # [11:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745986 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Display page loading states
- # [12:09] * Quits: brambles (brambles@4CBAB088.F3076E90.1822ACA6.IP) (Quit: leaving)
- # [12:10] * Joins: brambles (brambles@4CBAB088.F3076E90.1822ACA6.IP)
- # [12:29] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 621529 on bug 750191.
- # [12:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750191 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, move IsTextInterfaceSupportCorrect under DEBUG ifdef
- # [12:44] * Quits: margle (margle@E3F0FA38.AA35ED30.A77EFE04.IP) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
- # [12:49] * Joins: askalski (akuda@moz-4C8A107E.pool85-48-91.dynamic.orange.es)
- # [12:49] * ChanServ sets mode: +o askalski
- # [12:57] * Quits: @askalski (akuda@moz-4C8A107E.pool85-48-91.dynamic.orange.es) (Ping timeout)
- # [13:04] * Joins: askalski (akuda@moz-4C8A107E.pool85-48-91.dynamic.orange.es)
- # [13:04] * ChanServ sets mode: +o askalski
- # [13:16] * Joins: margle (margle@E3F0FA38.AA35ED30.A77EFE04.IP)
- # [13:20] * Joins: victorporof (victorporo@72566B35.C75CDC83.4A6B528C.IP)
- # [13:26] <Mark_Capella> surkov: ill make the try push part of routine now ...
- # [13:27] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: thank you!
- # [13:27] <Mark_Capella> were the build errors linux related? I build everything locally before posting it
- # [13:29] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 621393 on bug 614585.
- # [13:29] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: it doesn't look so, are you doing release builds?
- # [13:30] <Mark_Capella> Im building against most recent nightlies
- # [13:37] <icaaq> I've tried to make the tab (tabzilla) on most of the mozilla sites a litte bit more accessible, feedback would be more than welcome http://icaaq.com/sandbox/mozilla/tabzilla.htm :)
- # [13:42] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 621364 on bug 739190.
- # [13:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739190 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, change AppendTarget(nsIContent* aContent) to take nsDocAccessible* argument
- # [13:42] * Quits: @MarcoZ (Daily@moz-92E72603.dip.t-dialin.net) (Ping timeout)
- # [13:49] * Joins: JulienP (julien.pic@moz-DFEC0675.opera.com)
- # [13:49] <Mark_Capella> sorry ... the use of inline still confuses me ... i thought ultimately the compiler decides anyhow
- # [13:53] * Quits: @surkov (surkov@C1A6A50A.88321457.33A1AC3C.IP) (Quit: surkov)
- # [14:01] * Quits: jhk (jiggy@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP) (Connection reset by peer)
- # [14:06] * Joins: jhk (jiggy@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP)
- # [14:08] <Mark_Capella> surkov: maybe ive been missing something ... /msaa dir is for win builds, /mac is for apple, then
- # [14:08] <Mark_Capella> /atk is linux? and /other is?
- # [14:09] <Mark_Capella> oh - he dropped off
- # [14:21] * Joins: MarcoZ (Daily@moz-92E72603.dip.t-dialin.net)
- # [14:21] * ChanServ sets mode: +o MarcoZ
- # [14:25] <@MarcoZ> Hi icaaq! I like the feedback I get from the button that opens and closes the link list at the top.
- # [14:26] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: There are some to me unnamed links to "collusion" and others. Not sure how you did them, but they don't seem to contain either text or graphics as hints to what they contain.
- # [14:27] * Quits: victorporof (victorporo@72566B35.C75CDC83.4A6B528C.IP) (Connection reset by peer)
- # [14:28] <icaaq> MarcoZ: yes, thats the thing I've been looking at, the rest of the page is the same as www.mozilla.org
- # [14:30] <icaaq> MarcoZ: the thing is that on the original page visioned keyboard users need to tab through like 15 links before they reach the mozilla tab link and there they will see the focusring
- # [14:31] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: I'm totally blind and thus cannot comment on the visual aspects of it.
- # [14:32] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: I just found that, when clicking the "Mozillax" button again to close, or pressing Escape inside that list, the list is hidden in a manner that doesn't make it go away for screen readers. Do you display: none; it again or do you "hide" it in some other form?
- # [14:34] <icaaq> hmm, it should get display:none; if it's closed
- # [14:36] <@MarcoZ> It doesn't, and even when the button claims it's closed, they are keyboard focusable.
- # [14:37] * Joins: peteb-away (ptbrunet@moz-E9B02845.austin.res.rr.com)
- # [14:37] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: I just reloaded, and now they never appear hidden for me. So the 7 items at the top like "About" are always there.
- # [14:39] <icaaq> MarcoZ: Ah, thats the main navigation. Mission, about, projects and get involved.
- # [14:39] <icaaq> MarcoZ: first there is the mozilla tab then the navigation landmark
- # [14:42] <icaaq> MarcoZ: are you using NVDA?
- # [14:43] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: atk is desktop linux, other is things that aren't any of desktop linux win32 or mac so android b2g etc
- # [14:45] <Mark_Capella> tbsaunde: cool! thanks! that clears up a few things ive been wondering about
- # [14:45] <@tbsaunde> np
- # [14:45] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: Yes I do.
- # [14:45] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: And the list below "get involved" is the one with the five or so unnamed links.
- # [14:53] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 752464 filed by marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
- # [14:53] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752464 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in nsXULMenuitemAccessible::AccessKey
- # [14:58] <icaaq> MarcoZ: hmm, in NVDA it works fine to tab through the link section, but if I use down arrow key it jumps down to main navigation. works better in voice over
- # [15:02] * Joins: davidb (davidb@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
- # [15:02] * ChanServ sets mode: +qo davidb davidb
- # [15:03] <@davidb> welcome back askalski!
- # [15:03] <@davidb> hi all!
- # [15:03] <@davidb> askalski: how was northern spain?
- # [15:03] <@askalski> davidb, so cool
- # [15:03] <@davidb> cool as in good or as in temperature?
- # [15:04] <@askalski> davidb, really. it's both ethnically and climate TOTALLY different to central and southern one. So amazing.
- # [15:04] <@davidb> nice
- # [15:04] <@davidb> how is it culturally different than the south?
- # [15:05] <icaaq> MarcoZ: I also use aria-flowto but NVDA/firefox does not support that yet does it?
- # [15:05] <@askalski> davidb, it's a different country. they have their own lanugage that is not a derivative of french nor german in any way (and noone knows where it's from), it's strongly industrialized, looks richer than both germany and france
- # [15:05] <@davidb> their own language?
- # [15:05] <@askalski> davidb, no wonder they want to re-gain their independence
- # [15:05] <@askalski> yes!
- # [15:05] <@davidb> i had no idea
- # [15:06] <@askalski> and it's recognized as such, cash machines in spain recognizes two different spanish languages :D
- # [15:06] <@askalski> davidb, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_language
- # [15:06] <@davidb> MarcoZ: yuri showed me a build of the pdfjs ui on Friday that worked with NVDA and window HCM (i tested against trunk)
- # [15:07] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: Yes, NVDA reads those links all on one line.
- # [15:07] <@davidb> askalski: i'll check that out later thanks
- # [15:07] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: No, AFAIK, aria-flowto is not supported by anyone.
- # [15:08] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Interesting! The link he sent me definitely did not work yet.
- # [15:08] <@MarcoZ> Or rather, the content.
- # [15:08] <@davidb> MarcoZ: we expose the flow to relation but i guess NVDA doesn't care
- # [15:08] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Remember that there may still be a difference in tabbing versus navigating with the arrow keys and virtual cursor.
- # [15:09] <@davidb> MarcoZ: ah i was just tabbing
- # [15:09] * @askalski goes for a lunch
- # [15:09] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Oh right!
- # [15:09] <@davidb> askalski: bon appetite
- # [15:09] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Yes, tabbing picks up the accessible name we make up from the title, but because the text info is blank, virtual cursor and braille display don't show any info.
- # [15:12] <@davidb> MarcoZ: would role=application help?
- # [15:12] <@davidb> I mean, I'm wondering if virtual cursor is the write way to explore UI?
- # [15:13] * @davidb goes to make coffee
- # [15:13] * Joins: clown (clown@67828CC7.C1A51174.9D42CF23.IP)
- # [15:16] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Nope, for this kind of UI, role="application" is definitely over-sized.
- # [15:16] <@MarcoZ> It all would work if, for some reason, the spans with the text alternatives weren't hidden by the accessibility API/markup of the CSS.
- # [15:20] <@davidb> MarcoZ: yeah. OK FWIW I tested http://107.22.172.223:8877/ed40640c2d5b3e1/web/viewer.html
- # [15:22] <@MarcoZ> davidb: That's interesting, *that* version actually works for me, too, but the version Yuri sent in the e-mail didn't.
- # [15:22] <@davidb> that's the one I gave f+ to
- # [15:23] <@davidb> over IRC
- # [15:23] <@davidb> oh!
- # [15:23] <@davidb> MarcoZ: this all happened since the original email
- # [15:23] <@davidb> it happened Friday my afternoon
- # [15:24] <@MarcoZ> davidb: OK! Yeah I'd give f+ to that one, too.
- # [15:25] <@davidb> cool wanna email him/them?
- # [15:25] <@MarcoZ> davidb: One thing remains: If you turn on the side bar, where you have the "Thumbnails" and "Document outline" buttons, you also have a bunch of links with Canvas elements inside. What are these? They still miss any text info.
- # [15:25] <@davidb> oh crap i didn't test those
- # [15:25] <@MarcoZ> Will do!
- # [15:28] <@MarcoZ> davidb: E-mail sent for the initial work.
- # [15:29] <@MarcoZ> davidb: OK, so what are those links?
- # [15:29] <@davidb> read it
- # [15:29] * @davidb boots windows
- # [15:29] <@davidb> oh i guess i can dom inspect
- # [15:29] <@MarcoZ> Yup.
- # [15:30] <@davidb> MarcoZ: each one is an anchor with two nested divs and a canvas element leaf
- # [15:30] <@davidb> we could through some content in the canvas subtree :)
- # [15:30] <@davidb> throw
- # [15:31] <@davidb> but really i think we just need some ARIA here
- # [15:31] <@davidb> and each thumbnail is in one div container
- # [15:32] <@davidb> the container has id="thumbnailView" and the thumb "thumbnailContainer#" where # is 1 2 3… for each thumb
- # [15:32] <@MarcoZ> Oh those are previous/thumbnails of the first few pages?
- # [15:32] <@MarcoZ> s/previous/previews/
- # [15:32] <@davidb> previews yes
- # [15:33] <@davidb> each anchor is a 'page'
- # [15:33] * @MarcoZ nods.
- # [15:33] <@MarcoZ> OK those should be marked up a little better, then.
- # [15:33] <@davidb> yes
- # [15:34] <@davidb> MarcoZ: the sidebar has two modes/views
- # [15:34] <@davidb> thumbnails and document outline
- # [15:34] <@davidb> this example has no outline
- # [15:35] <@davidb> but AFAICT the "No Outline Available" is not accessible text
- # [15:35] <@davidb> probably drawn on a canvas
- # [15:35] <@davidb> i stand corrected
- # [15:35] <@davidb> it is a div
- # [15:35] * Quits: jhk (jiggy@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP) (Ping timeout)
- # [15:35] <@davidb> for some reason there is no select highlight
- # [15:35] <@davidb> hi tbsaunde
- # [15:36] <@davidb> !seen surkov
- # [15:36] <@firebot> surkov was last seen 2 hours, 6 minutes and 40 seconds ago, saying 'Mark_Capella: it doesn't look so, are you doing release builds?' in #accessibility.
- # [15:37] * @MarcoZ tests out marketplace.mozilla.org in the meantime.
- # [15:41] <@davidb> MarcoZ: are you waiting for me to do something more?
- # [15:41] <@davidb> BTW is Firebug still accessible? I saw Victor's tweet.
- # [15:46] * Joins: surkov (surkov@C1A6A50A.88321457.33A1AC3C.IP)
- # [15:46] * ChanServ sets mode: +o surkov
- # [15:47] * Joins: hub (hub@moz-E2FCA694.figuiere.net)
- # [15:47] * ChanServ sets mode: +o hub
- # [15:50] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Must admit haven't needed to use Firebug in a while.
- # [15:51] <@MarcoZ> davidb: No, I think we're done with that PDF viewer. I'll send a followup regarding the thumbnails.
- # [15:51] <@davidb> groovy
- # [15:53] <@hub> hi
- # [15:54] <@davidb> hi hub
- # [15:54] <@davidb> hi surkov
- # [15:55] <@surkov> hi, davidb
- # [15:55] <@davidb> surkov: wanna Skype?
- # [15:55] <@surkov> davidb: maybe tomorrow? I didn't wanted to stay long tonight?
- # [15:56] <@davidb> sure
- # [15:56] <@surkov> ok, cool
- # [15:56] * Joins: arky (arky@A28FA0A.8ED53E9C.FA662B63.IP)
- # [15:58] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 751079 from --- to mozilla15.
- # [15:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751079 nor, --, mozilla15, surkov.alexander, ASSI, get rid misuses of nsAccessible::GetBoundaryFrame
- # [15:58] * Quits: margle (margle@E3F0FA38.AA35ED30.A77EFE04.IP) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
- # [15:58] <@davidb> I think the right fix for bug 78414 is killing flash
- # [15:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78414 maj, --, ---, joshmoz, NEW, Application shortcut keys (keyboard commands such as f11, ctrl+t, ctrl+r) fail to operate when plug-
- # [15:58] <@surkov> :)
- # [15:58] <@davidb> :)
- # [15:59] <@davidb> (and all plugins)
- # [15:59] * Joins: ehsan (ehsan@BEDFFF26.EE049E25.8B035CD7.IP)
- # [16:00] * Quits: ehsan (ehsan@BEDFFF26.EE049E25.8B035CD7.IP) (Input/output error)
- # [16:00] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 750283 from --- to mozilla15.
- # [16:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750283 nor, --, mozilla15, markcapella, ASSI, notify observers of a11y init / shutdown in nsAccessibilityService
- # [16:01] <@davidb> MarcoZ, surkov do we have a new bug or reopen bug 751623?
- # [16:01] <@davidb> let's not forget it
- # [16:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751623 cri, --, mozilla15, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, crash in nsRootAccessible::Name
- # [16:02] <@surkov> MarcoZ: davidb let's get a new bug
- # [16:02] <@davidb> surkov: cool wanna file it?
- # [16:02] <@surkov> anyway the crash was fixed
- # [16:02] * @davidb nods
- # [16:02] <@surkov> I think I'll do it (I should have an open tab for that :) )
- # [16:03] <@surkov> today I had too many bugs to comment
- # [16:03] <@surkov> actually I ddn't finished yet
- # [16:04] <@MarcoZ> Bug against Marketplace filed. Another K9o-related step!
- # [16:04] * @davidb heads to a phone room
- # [16:04] * Joins: margle (margle@E3F0FA38.AA35ED30.A77EFE04.IP)
- # [16:04] * clown is now known as clown_mtg
- # [16:05] <@tbsaunde> davidb: hi
- # [16:09] * Joins: jhk (jiggy@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP)
- # [16:10] * Joins: aaronlev (chatzilla@moz-654DF715.bstnma.fios.verizon.net)
- # [16:11] * Quits: arky (arky@A28FA0A.8ED53E9C.FA662B63.IP) (Ping timeout)
- # [16:23] * Joins: jprmc (jprmc@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
- # [16:23] * ChanServ sets mode: +o jprmc
- # [16:25] * Joins: arky (arky@88F5ACDE.FC9D7307.FA662B63.IP)
- # [16:39] * Quits: margle (margle@E3F0FA38.AA35ED30.A77EFE04.IP) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
- # [16:40] * Joins: ehsan (ehsan@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
- # [16:54] * @davidb realizes yuri is actually 'yury'
- # [16:55] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
- # [16:57] * @davidb updates nightly fennec
- # [16:59] <@davidb> off my current fennec is borken
- # [16:59] <@davidb> off/oof
- # [16:59] <@MarcoZ> Ouch
- # [17:03] * Quits: @askalski (akuda@moz-4C8A107E.pool85-48-91.dynamic.orange.es) (Quit: Wychodzi)
- # [17:04] <@tbsaunde> davidb: board? mind trying to get a stack for bug 752464 in msvc for me?
- # [17:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752464 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in nsXULMenuitemAccessible::AccessKey
- # [17:04] <@davidb> i'm currently building and testing bug 492557
- # [17:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=492557 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, create a keyboard shortcut HUD?
- # [17:04] * @davidb looks
- # [17:05] <@davidb> tbsaunde: are there STR?
- # [17:05] <@davidb> MarcoZ: ^
- # [17:05] <@tbsaunde> davidb: not afaik, I meant from the crash dump
- # [17:05] <@davidb> ohh
- # [17:06] <@davidb> tbsaunde: what do you want that the crash report doesn't provide?
- # [17:07] <@davidb> register values?
- # [17:07] <@davidb> holy crap that user has a lot of addons
- # [17:08] <@tbsaunde> davidb: function arguments
- # [17:09] <@tbsaunde> also the HandleAccEvent() -> cc -> win32 lib seems suspicous
- # [17:10] <@davidb> yes it does.
- # [17:11] <@tbsaunde> it seems like what event type we were firing and the relationship between the accessibles may be interesting
- # [17:11] <@davidb> possibly
- # [17:11] <@tbsaunde> the one we fire the event on and then the one we're called on I mean
- # [17:12] <@davidb> i don't understand why we cc
- # [17:12] <@davidb> well i can guess but
- # [17:12] <@davidb> man
- # [17:12] <@davidb> ok letting my clobber build finish.
- # [17:16] <@tbsaunde> if you asked me to guess I'd say those stack frames are just bogus
- # [17:16] <@davidb> it can happen
- # [17:23] <@MarcoZ> davidb: tbsaunde: Yeah this person has had problems with even corrupted reports for the past few weeks, and seems to have a pretty wild profile all in all, too.
- # [17:23] * Joins: drexler (chatzilla@moz-6F22CAC7.e7jvsoe-gw.cust.sover.net)
- # [17:24] <@davidb> MarcoZ: can you ask them to run a clean profile?
- # [17:25] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 752510 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
- # [17:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752510 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, correct fix for bug 751623
- # [17:38] * Quits: @surkov (surkov@C1A6A50A.88321457.33A1AC3C.IP) (Quit: surkov)
- # [17:46] * khuey is now known as khuey|away
- # [17:47] * clown_mtg is now known as clown
- # [17:50] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Hm, I am a bit hesitant. This person is quite low-tech in general, it took me a while to get him to send me crash report links. Am not sure I can talk him through launching Firefox with a command line parameter and such.
- # [17:50] <@davidb> fair enough
- # [17:51] <@davidb> MarcoZ: are you seeing that crash much in socorro?
- # [17:52] <@tbsaunde> isn't there a menu option for that?
- # [17:53] <@davidb> yes under Help i think
- # [17:56] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Socorro doesn't find this signature at all for some reason within the last 7 days. So it doesn't even show me the original crash report I filed the bug on.
- # [17:59] <Mark_Capella> davidb: what access level do I need to land my own patches? I have L1 only currently...
- # [17:59] <@davidb> good q - i always have to look it up
- # [18:00] <@davidb> http://www.mozilla.org/hacking/commit-access-policy/
- # [18:00] <Mark_Capella> It looks like L3 ... on thatlink -^
- # [18:00] <@davidb> yes L3
- # [18:00] <@davidb> Mark_Capella: file a bug and cc your most frequent reviewers
- # [18:01] <Mark_Capella> ok will do .... then do i land to mozilla-central? or to inbound ...?
- # [18:01] <@MarcoZ> Mark_Capella: Inbound.
- # [18:01] <@davidb> right
- # [18:01] <@davidb> Mark_Capella: and always read the topic in #developers for latest news about landing
- # [18:01] <Mark_Capella> thats what I thought but the link doesnt say inbound ... maybe old
- # [18:02] <@davidb> apart from that, joining mozilla dev planning and mozilla dev platform mailing lists is practically required.
- # [18:02] <Mark_Capella> davidb: yah saw "tree closed such and such"
- # [18:02] <@davidb> yep
- # [18:03] <Mark_Capella> ok then .... surkov alreaady offfered to be one reference so ill ask you for the other
- # [18:06] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: mozilla-central is still correct since you can land there if you like, then you generally want ot have a good reason to watch the tree
- # [18:07] <Mark_Capella> but its safer to start with inbound?
- # [18:08] <@tbsaunde> well, I'd say saner not safter but sure
- # [18:09] <@davidb> always land inbound
- # [18:15] * Quits: aaronlev (chatzilla@moz-654DF715.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) (Ping timeout)
- # [18:15] * Joins: victorporof (victorporo@3525974A.DA9DCE7D.79933D60.IP)
- # [18:26] * Joins: aaronlev (chatzilla@moz-654DF715.bstnma.fios.verizon.net)
- # [18:28] * Joins: margle (margle@moz-15EB76B9.dsl.mweb.co.za)
- # [18:35] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Hm, regarding BrowserID, I keep getting password requests infrequently to sign into sites. Isn't BrowserID supposed to be about not to have to enter passwords all the time as to not transmit them over the WiFi you're happening to sit on right now?
- # [18:38] <@davidb> i get them too
- # [18:39] * Quits: margle (margle@moz-15EB76B9.dsl.mweb.co.za) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
- # [18:41] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Interesting. I'll ask around, then.
- # [18:43] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: You there?
- # [18:49] * Quits: jhk (jiggy@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP) (Connection reset by peer)
- # [18:51] * Quits: drexler (chatzilla@moz-6F22CAC7.e7jvsoe-gw.cust.sover.net) (Connection reset by peer)
- # [18:52] * Joins: drexler (chatzilla@moz-6F22CAC7.e7jvsoe-gw.cust.sover.net)
- # [18:54] <Mark_Capella> davidb: with all your bugmail, did you notice this one?
- # [18:54] <Mark_Capella> Bug 751435 - Make role strings consistent
- # [18:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751435 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Make role strings consistent
- # [18:56] <@davidb> yeah i read that on the bus then forgot about it
- # [18:56] <Mark_Capella> is ok ... low priority
- # [18:56] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I thought you filed it...
- # [18:57] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i filed something different, then changed it based on a post review comment from surkov
- # [18:57] <@davidb> i actually don't care much about the bug at this point
- # [18:58] <@tbsaunde> ah
- # [18:58] <@tbsaunde> me neither
- # [18:58] <Mark_Capella> dont care about 751435?
- # [18:59] * Quits: arky (arky@88F5ACDE.FC9D7307.FA662B63.IP) (Ping timeout)
- # [18:59] <@davidb> Mark_Capella: there is no urgency
- # [19:00] <Mark_Capella> what i wanted to know - ill drop it
- # [19:00] * Quits: victorporof (victorporo@3525974A.DA9DCE7D.79933D60.IP) (Client exited)
- # [19:01] <@eeejay> hey MarcoZ
- # [19:01] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 751435 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [19:01] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com set the Resolution field on bug 751435 to INCOMPLETE.
- # [19:03] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
- # [19:04] <@davidb> eeejay: hey
- # [19:04] <@davidb> errr i'll 'hey' you in a min
- # [19:07] * Joins: victorporof (victorporo@3525974A.DA9DCE7D.79933D60.IP)
- # [19:11] * Joins: jhk (jiggy@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP)
- # [19:12] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com cancelled review?(dbolter@mozilla.com ) for attachment 621342 on bug 492557.
- # [19:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=492557 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, create a keyboard shortcut HUD?
- # [19:12] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Hi! I was wondering what the status for Android a11y currently is. I lost track of what bug does what. Do regular Android nightlies have a11y now which can be enabled, or do I still need special builds from you?
- # [19:14] * Joins: arky (arky@8AAA7150.53BA259D.FA662B63.IP)
- # [19:14] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, they should be in nightly, as of yesterday
- # [19:14] * @eeejay downloads and checks
- # [19:17] <@davidb> i'm not hearing fennec nightly
- # [19:21] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 621232 on bug 752125.
- # [19:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752125 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Switch to a role-based traversal rule
- # [19:27] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, sorry for not being responsive. i'm checking nightly now
- # [19:27] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: So, what do I have to do, then? Download and install nightly, and?
- # [19:27] <@MarcoZ> Crossed.
- # [19:27] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, i'll let you know if a few minutes. if it is not in nightly yet, i'll email you once it is
- # [19:28] <@eeejay> downloading at 20 kbps
- # [19:29] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 621234 on bug 752131.
- # [19:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752131 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Do not return empty string elements in utterances
- # [19:29] <@hub> are you in Canada eeejay ? ;-)
- # [19:30] <@eeejay> uh oh
- # [19:30] * @eeejay fueled hub's hatred for all things canadian carrier related
- # [19:31] <@eeejay> hub, for *once* i would like to hear you say something good about rogers ;)
- # [19:31] <@davidb> eeejay: all i should need to do is enable talkback right?
- # [19:31] <@davidb> (i have ics)
- # [19:32] <@eeejay> davidb, yeah
- # [19:32] <@hub> eeejay: the only good thing is that I haven't been their customer since '09 and that where I'm going I won't be forced to give them money to get TV
- # [19:33] <@eeejay> hub, that will do
- # [19:34] <@davidb> eeejay: do i need to do the dpad keyboard thingy?
- # [19:35] <@eeejay> davidb, yep :)
- # [19:35] <@davidb> frack
- # [19:35] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, nightly talks!
- # [19:35] <@davidb> i forget
- # [19:35] <@davidb> yeah it talks for me too
- # [19:35] <@davidb> eeejay: how do i set that up again?
- # [19:35] <@eeejay> um
- # [19:35] <@eeejay> when it doesn't freeze
- # [19:35] <@davidb> you'll want to tell MarcoZ too before he blogs
- # [19:36] <@eeejay> davidb, go to input methods and enable talkback keyboard
- # [19:36] <@eeejay> oh gawd
- # [19:37] <@davidb> this UI is fantastically bad
- # [19:37] <@eeejay> i know!
- # [19:38] * @eeejay needs to write an email to the larger ff mobile list and to the android a11y list
- # [19:38] <@davidb> should i set explore by touch to on?
- # [19:39] <@davidb> i think the options were organized via darts and a dartboard that rotates
- # [19:39] <@hub> davidb: 1:1?
- # [19:39] <@davidb> hub: heading to phone room now
- # [19:42] <@eeejay> davidb, no to explore by touch
- # [19:47] * Quits: ehsan (ehsan@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Ping timeout)
- # [19:50] * Joins: ehsan (ehsan@moz-ED3249A4.dmz.releng.scl3.mozilla.com)
- # [19:52] * Quits: jhk (jiggy@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP) (Quit: Leaving.)
- # [19:52] * Joins: jhk (jiggy@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP)
- # [19:59] * Quits: icaaq (Adium@moz-718D9655.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Connection reset by peer)
- # [20:07] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: davidb: So, download nightly from http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/nightly/latest-mozilla-central-android/
- # [20:07] <@davidb> eeejay: i couldn't find the keyboard thing on ics… i probably need to dload something first right?
- # [20:07] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 621643 on bug 750295.
- # [20:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750295 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, don't cache gStringBundle in nsAccessNode
- # [20:07] <@MarcoZ> Run Talkback, go to Input method and enable Talkback keyboard, and that's it?
- # [20:07] <@davidb> i think we want more detailed instructions
- # [20:07] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, if you don't have a physical keyboard
- # [20:07] <@davidb> and by adroid version
- # [20:07] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, if you do, than don't bother with the special keyboard
- # [20:08] * @eeejay looks for pre-existing docs
- # [20:08] * @MarcoZ didn't find the page any more where the QR code is for downloading the latest Fennec nightly build.
- # [20:10] * Joins: icaaq (Adium@714E29CB.13DB46CE.3B93FF6D.IP)
- # [20:10] <@eeejay> there is this: http://eyes-free.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/documentation/android_access/enabling.html
- # [20:11] * clown is now known as clown_mtg
- # [20:11] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 621666 on bug 750287.
- # [20:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750287 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, don't cache is form fill enabled pref
- # [20:13] <@eeejay> davidb, MarcoZ, you need to download the "Eyes-Free Keyboard" from android market
- # [20:13] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Nah I think if someone is eager to try it out on Android, they already have a working TalkBack.
- # [20:13] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, agreed
- # [20:13] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: The Eyes-Free keyboard is for if I want to install this stuff on the Galaxy Tab, right?
- # [20:13] <@davidb> MarcoZ: i mean the keyboards stuff
- # [20:14] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, yes
- # [20:14] <@davidb> and i think sighted devs may want to try this
- # [20:14] <@davidb> and my boss :)
- # [20:14] <@eeejay> maybe we should consider explore-by-touch sooner rather than later...
- # [20:14] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Yeah I don't plan on blogging this tonight. I'll do this tomorrow and send it to you and Eeejay for proof reading before I publish.
- # [20:15] <@davidb> groovy
- # [20:15] <@davidb> eeejay: it depends.
- # [20:15] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, thanks for blogging :)
- # [20:15] * @MarcoZ is unsure himself on how this will work. And I only have Android 2.3.something, and will have a properly flashed Galaxy Tab with ICS tomorrow.
- # [20:15] * @eeejay is having prioritizing schizo
- # [20:16] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, we are targetting pre-ics users for now
- # [20:16] <@davidb> eeejay: i can help
- # [20:17] <@davidb> eeejay: all i have to do is listen and you will work it out while explaining the options
- # [20:17] <@eeejay> davidb, we could do that on the 1:1
- # [20:17] <@eeejay> davidb, just thinking about the q goals
- # [20:19] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: OK, so should I not flash the Tab, then? It currently has the Samsung default whatever on it.
- # [20:19] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, that should not be a priority, no.
- # [20:19] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, firefox mobile doesn't even have atablet ui yet, afaik
- # [20:20] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: OK, so I'll use the HTC only, the one that you already know, and use that. You know what Android you flahsed on it for me.
- # [20:20] * Quits: arky (arky@8AAA7150.53BA259D.FA662B63.IP) (Quit: Leaving)
- # [20:20] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, 2.3.4 i think (cyanogenmod 9)
- # [20:21] <@eeejay> er, i mean cyanogenmod 7
- # [20:24] <@MarcoZ> OK!
- # [20:24] <@MarcoZ> And that should suffice?
- # [20:25] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: ^
- # [20:25] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, yep. you might want to uninstall whatever build i put there. just to make sure
- # [20:27] <@MarcoZ> Will do! And then go to that FTP folder and download the apk?
- # [20:27] <@eeejay> Yeah, it is on the nightly website too
- # [20:28] <@MarcoZ> OK!
- # [20:28] * Quits: icaaq (Adium@714E29CB.13DB46CE.3B93FF6D.IP) (Ping timeout)
- # [20:29] <@MarcoZ> OK, I think I'm done for the evening. See you all tomorrow! By the time you wake up, I'll hopefully have made some progress.
- # [20:31] * Joins: icaaq (Adium@moz-7AD0B9CB.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)
- # [20:31] * Quits: @MarcoZ (Daily@moz-92E72603.dip.t-dialin.net) (Quit: night all!)
- # [20:39] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 752609 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
- # [20:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752609 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Shorten a11y event and role constant prefixes
- # [21:00] * @davidb downloads eyes-free keybarfpukewhattheshit
- # [21:17] * Quits: jhk (jiggy@8E6C34C1.A3F9767A.1C37C358.IP) (Ping timeout)
- # [21:17] * Quits: drexler (chatzilla@moz-6F22CAC7.e7jvsoe-gw.cust.sover.net) (Ping timeout)
- # [21:18] * Joins: drexler (chatzilla@moz-6F22CAC7.e7jvsoe-gw.cust.sover.net)
- # [21:19] <@davidb> one you set it up this is decent
- # [21:20] <@davidb> eeejay: you should check out the shared office in portland
- # [21:21] <@eeejay> davidb, i will!
- # [21:21] <@davidb> it is on vidyo now
- # [21:21] <@eeejay> heh, i wonder if i need to give them heads up
- # [21:21] <@eeejay> davidb, once you set what up?
- # [21:21] <@davidb> can't hurt
- # [21:21] <@davidb> fennec nightly tts
- # [21:23] <@eeejay> ah
- # [21:24] <@eeejay> it will get better tomorrow probably, with 5 new patches
- # [21:26] <@davidb> less leafy?
- # [21:26] <@hub> can't use Fennec over my secondary data service over 3G. :-/
- # [21:27] <@davidb> hub: huh?
- # [21:27] <@hub> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749352
- # [21:27] <@firebot> Bug 749352 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Firefox fails to connect when a proxy is used
- # [21:29] <@davidb> oh
- # [21:31] <@davidb> eeejay: why is the order "list item 3 of 4, link, newsletters"?
- # [21:31] <@eeejay> davidb, how do you mean? too verbose?
- # [21:32] <@eeejay> oh, the order
- # [21:32] <@davidb> i'm just wondering why the name isn't first
- # [21:32] <@davidb> imagine going through a long list looking for "dog"
- # [21:33] <@eeejay> davidb, i have seen it done both ways. this was easier to implement. but yeah, maybe it should be reversed by default
- # [21:33] <@davidb> well don't go by me… i'm just making assumptions
- # [21:33] <@eeejay> davidb, when you assume
- # [21:33] <@davidb> you make an ass
- # [21:33] <@eeejay> it makes us both look like idiots :)
- # [21:33] <@davidb> heh
- # [21:34] <@davidb> eeejay: photon dependent people should not be deciding this.
- # [21:34] <@eeejay> davidb, re:implementation. i need to redo it, but in the prototype i had it do preorder traversal for reading a whole container, and it made putting the description first better
- # [21:34] <@eeejay> yeah
- # [21:35] <@davidb> i'm happy to be wrong, just prodding.
- # [21:35] * clown_mtg is now known as clown
- # [21:37] <@eeejay> davidb, in needs to be configurable (in some hidden pref), and someone else that is not us should make the call on what is right
- # [21:37] <@eeejay> for default
- # [21:37] <@davidb> agreed
- # [21:41] * Bryen bounces around and lands in the channel.
- # [21:42] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 752635 filed by dbolter@mozilla.com.
- # [21:43] <@davidb> aww
- # [21:44] <Bryen> good job davidb
- # [21:44] <@davidb> haha
- # [21:52] <@eeejay> dentist, bbiab
- # [22:09] * Quits: Mark_Capella (chatzilla@moz-DD0C7E4F.twcny.res.rr.com) (Connection reset by peer)
- # [22:10] * Joins: Mark_Capella (chatzilla@moz-DD0C7E4F.twcny.res.rr.com)
- # [22:34] * Quits: @jprmc (jprmc@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Ping timeout)
- # [22:43] * Quits: @davidb (davidb@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Quit: davidb)
- # [22:44] * Joins: margle (margle@2A6DB4BE.6770927E.B2047205.IP)
- # [22:52] * Joins: jprmc (jprmc@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
- # [22:52] * ChanServ sets mode: +o jprmc
- # [22:54] * Parts: clown (clown@67828CC7.C1A51174.9D42CF23.IP)
- # [23:04] * Parts: ctalbert (ctalbert@moz-B77DEAEB.mozilla.org)
- # [23:27] * Quits: icaaq (Adium@moz-7AD0B9CB.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Quit: Leaving.)
- # [23:44] * Quits: drexler (chatzilla@moz-6F22CAC7.e7jvsoe-gw.cust.sover.net) (Connection reset by peer)
- # [23:44] * Joins: drexler (chatzilla@moz-6F22CAC7.e7jvsoe-gw.cust.sover.net)
- # Session Close: Tue May 08 00:00:00 2012
The end :)