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  1. # Session Start: Tue May 08 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  5. # [00:39] <@firebot> gauthier.segay@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 752717 from Location Bar to Keyboard Navigation.
  6. # [00:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752717 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, keying tab while address bar has the focus doesn't move focus anywhere
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  8. # [01:22] <@firebot> ehsan@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 750283 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  9. # [01:22] <@firebot> ehsan@mozilla.com set the Resolution field on bug 750283 to FIXED.
  10. # [01:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750283 nor, --, mozilla15, markcapella, RESO FIXED, notify observers of a11y init / shutdown in nsAccessibilityService
  11. # [01:25] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 621776 on bug 747227.
  12. # [01:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=747227 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, decomtaminate GetCellIndexAt() on accessible tables
  13. # [01:26] <Bryen> firebot, its 6 p.m. you can take the evening off now.
  14. # [01:26] <@firebot> Bryen: Sorry, I've no idea what 'its 6 p.m. you can take the evening off now' might be.
  15. # [01:26] <Bryen> why did I know he'd say that? :-/
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  19. # [01:44] <Jenny> tbsaunde: I have updated mozilla-central and realized that nsRootAccessible has been removed. is there another file that's replacing it?
  20. # [01:45] <Mark_Capella> RootAccessible replaces it
  21. # [01:46] <Mark_Capella> jenny: see Bug 748724 - de-ns-ify nsRootAccessible
  22. # [01:46] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748724 nor, --, mozilla15, markcapella, RESO FIXED, de-ns-ify nsRootAccessible
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  25. # [01:51] <@firebot> lsblakk@mozilla.com set status-firefox15 to fixed on bug 751623.
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  28. # [01:53] <Jenny> Mark_Capella: ok thanks
  29. # [01:58] <@firebot> dao@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 752717 from UNCONFIRMED to RESOLVED.
  30. # [01:58] <@firebot> dao@mozilla.com set the Resolution field on bug 752717 to DUPLICATE of bug 751881.
  31. # [01:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752717 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, keying tab while address bar has the focus doesn't move focus anywhere
  32. # [01:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751881 nor, --, mozilla15, masayuki, RESO FIXED, keyCode of keypress event for Tab key and ESC key is broken on Windows
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  35. # [02:13] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 751496 from --- to mozilla15.
  36. # [02:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751496 nor, --, mozilla15, surkov.alexander, ASSI, get rid nsAccessible::GetBoundsFrame
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  47. # [02:51] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 621666 on bug 750287.
  48. # [02:51] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750287 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, don't cache is form fill enabled pref
  49. # [03:02] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 751079 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  50. # [03:02] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 751079 to FIXED.
  51. # [03:02] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com denied in-testsuite on bug 751079.
  52. # [03:02] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751079 nor, --, mozilla15, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, get rid misuses of nsAccessible::GetBoundaryFrame
  53. # [03:05] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 745986 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  54. # [03:05] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 745986 to FIXED.
  55. # [03:05] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 745986 from --- to mozilla15.
  56. # [03:05] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com denied in-testsuite on bug 745986.
  57. # [03:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745986 nor, --, mozilla15, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Display page loading states
  58. # [03:05] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 748069 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  59. # [03:05] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 748069 to FIXED.
  60. # [03:05] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 748069 from --- to mozilla15.
  61. # [03:05] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com denied in-testsuite on bug 748069.
  62. # [03:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748069 nor, --, mozilla15, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Document UtteranceGenerator
  63. # [03:06] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 751796 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  64. # [03:06] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 751796 to FIXED.
  65. # [03:06] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 751796 from --- to mozilla15.
  66. # [03:06] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com requested in-testsuite from the wind on bug 751796.
  67. # [03:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751796 nor, --, mozilla15, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] disable() does not shut down event listeners
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  69. # [03:21] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 752125 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  70. # [03:21] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 752125 to FIXED.
  71. # [03:21] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 752125 from --- to mozilla15.
  72. # [03:21] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com denied in-testsuite on bug 752125.
  73. # [03:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752125 nor, --, mozilla15, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Switch to a role-based traversal rule
  74. # [03:21] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 752131 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  75. # [03:21] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 752131 to FIXED.
  76. # [03:21] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 752131 from --- to mozilla15.
  77. # [03:21] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com denied in-testsuite on bug 752131.
  78. # [03:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752131 nor, --, mozilla15, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Do not return empty string elements in utterances
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  91. # [06:09] <@MarcoZ> Hi all!
  92. # [06:09] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Did you see the question from mbrubeck regarding AccessFu and the TP regression?
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  96. # [06:32] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com cancelled feedback?(trev.saunders@gma il.com) for attachment 620860 on bug 750216.
  97. # [06:32] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested feedback from trev.saunders@gma il.com for attachment 621874 on bug 750216.
  98. # [06:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750216 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, don't export headers that aren't used outside
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  101. # [07:19] <@surkov> Mark_Capella: don't forget to check 'patch' checkbox when you attach a patch
  102. # [07:20] <Mark_Capella> oh ... thats why one of my attachments didnt have a details / diff section today ! I noticed that
  103. # [07:21] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 750287 from --- to mozilla15.
  104. # [07:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750287 nor, --, mozilla15, markcapella, ASSI, don't cache is form fill enabled pref
  105. # [07:21] <@surkov> yep
  106. # [07:21] <Mark_Capella> cool B) thanks
  107. # [07:21] <@surkov> yw
  108. # [07:25] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 751828 from --- to mozilla15.
  109. # [07:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751828 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, densify nsHTMLListAccessible
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  112. # [07:47] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com cancelled feedback?(trev.saunders@gma il.com) for attachment 621874 on bug 750216.
  113. # [07:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750216 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, don't export headers that aren't used outside
  114. # [07:49] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from roc@ocallahan.org for attachment 621889 on bug 750216.
  115. # [07:53] <@firebot> roc@ocallahan.org granted review for attachment 621889 on bug 750216.
  116. # [07:55] <Mark_Capella> that was fasr !
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  125. # [09:29] <@firebot> jigneshhk1992@gmail.com requested feedback from surkov.alexander@ gmail.com for attachment 621899 on bug 751493.
  126. # [09:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751493 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, move out the nsHTMLComboboxListAccessible logic from nsHTMLSelectListAccessible::NativeRole
  127. # [09:37] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 752823 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  128. # [09:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752823 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, turn nsHTMLLiAccessible::mBullet into raw pointer
  129. # [09:38] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 751828 from mozilla15 to ---.
  130. # [09:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751828 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, densify nsHTMLListAccessible
  131. # [09:56] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 621643 on bug 750295.
  132. # [09:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750295 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, don't cache gStringBundle in nsAccessNode
  133. # [09:59] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 621889 on bug 750216.
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  137. # [10:35] <Mark_Capella> ack ... string classes ... nsString, nsAString, nsXPIDLString, NSString, nsAutoString, my brain is full...
  138. # [11:07] <@MarcoZ> Mark_Capella: I know the feeling!
  139. # [11:07] <Mark_Capella> :)
  140. # [11:09] <@askalski> morning everyone
  141. # [11:09] <@askalski> :D
  142. # [11:10] <Mark_Capella> waves @ askalski
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  148. # [12:11] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 621889 on bug 750216.
  149. # [12:13] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested feedback from trev.saunders@gma il.com for attachment 621924 on bug 750216.
  150. # [12:17] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested feedback from trev.saunders@gma il.com for attachment 621925 on bug 750295.
  151. # [12:17] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750295 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, don't cache gStringBundle in nsAccessNode
  152. # [12:30] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 750191 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  153. # [12:30] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 750191 to FIXED.
  154. # [12:30] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 750191 from --- to mozilla15.
  155. # [12:30] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750191 nor, --, mozilla15, markcapella, RESO FIXED, move IsTextInterfaceSupportCorrect under DEBUG ifdef
  156. # [12:31] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 739190 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  157. # [12:31] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 739190 to FIXED.
  158. # [12:31] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 739190 from --- to mozilla15.
  159. # [12:31] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739190 nor, --, mozilla15, markcapella, RESO FIXED, change AppendTarget(nsIContent* aContent) to take nsDocAccessible* argument
  160. # [12:31] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 751496 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  161. # [12:31] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 751496 to FIXED.
  162. # [12:31] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751496 nor, --, mozilla15, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, get rid nsAccessible::GetBoundsFrame
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  167. # [13:29] <@MarcoZ> OK, traversing from chrome to content in Fennec nightlies does not yet yield speech for me.
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  180. # [15:05] <icaaq> MarcoZ: I made a pull request on tabzilla to remove the "x" in the mozilla button :) I'm still testing my other stuff though
  181. # [15:09] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: OK! Let me know if/when you need any input!
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  186. # [15:28] <icaaq> anyone know if the css 3 speak property is somewhere near implementation in fx? it might be a good way of hiding decorative typeface icons in a :after pseudo-element http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-speech/#speak
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  189. # [15:40] <@askalski> hi davidb
  190. # [15:42] <@davidb> hi!
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  192. # [15:50] <@MarcoZ> Hi davidb, askalski!
  193. # [15:50] <@askalski> hi MarcoZ :)
  194. # [15:50] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: I don't think it is near any implementation really. Neither FX, nor other browsers, nor screen readers.
  195. # [15:51] * @MarcoZ can haz web site navigation via the directional controller in Android!
  196. # [15:52] <icaaq> MarcoZ: ok, to bad. typeface icons is a really cool thing. to bad some screen readers speaks the content in this cases though
  197. # [15:56] <@davidb> hi fer
  198. # [15:56] <fer> hi davidb !
  199. # [15:56] <@davidb> fer: excites about the olympics yet?
  200. # [15:57] <@davidb> excited*
  201. # [15:57] <fer> yes!
  202. # [15:57] <@davidb> heheh
  203. # [15:57] <fer> I have my tickets already!
  204. # [15:57] <@davidb> nice
  205. # [15:57] <@davidb> and a place to stay?
  206. # [15:59] <fer> yeah, my family got a nice aparment there
  207. # [15:59] <fer> we booked it like 1.5 years ago :)
  208. # [15:59] <@MarcoZ> Hi fer!
  209. # [15:59] <@MarcoZ> Sounds nice!
  210. # [15:59] <@askalski> davidb, I started to fill bugs for MozBase :(, some stuff is not really functional
  211. # [15:59] <fer> hi MarcoZ! how are you doing?
  212. # [16:00] <@MarcoZ> fer: Good good! Lots of exiting stuff! Last week I broke news to our community regarding Mac accessibility, and this week it's Android. Lots of stuff happening!
  213. # [16:00] <@askalski> davidb, and they do plenty of active waiting. is that common is Mozilla?
  214. # [16:00] <fer> wow!
  215. # [16:00] <fer> how is the android approach finally?
  216. # [16:00] <@davidb> askalski: active waiting
  217. # [16:00] <@davidb> ?
  218. # [16:01] <fer> in-browser javascript?
  219. # [16:01] <@davidb> fer: we're using the a11y engine
  220. # [16:01] <@askalski> davidb, loop of try&sleep
  221. # [16:01] <@davidb> and sending utterances to talkback
  222. # [16:01] <@MarcoZ> fer: Since Fennec switched to a Java-based native widget chrome recently, only using our rendering for actual HTML content, the decision was made to go with a Talkback interface. But the web site navigation stuff is done by us, so we use Talkback merely as speech output when in HTML.
  223. # [16:01] <@askalski> at my Uni you get -80% of grade for doing that
  224. # [16:02] <@davidb> askalski: can you help fix it?
  225. # [16:02] <@davidb> note the constraints for a test harness are different than for a user app
  226. # [16:02] <@davidb> so don't worry too much about loss of perf to sync waiting
  227. # [16:03] <@askalski> davidb, I can file a bug. jgriffin told me to do it this way, showing me as example active waiting in peptest, I guess that's just they designed it
  228. # [16:03] <@davidb> askalski: can we do what we need if we follow the suggestion?
  229. # [16:03] <fer> MarcoZ: sounds great
  230. # [16:03] <@askalski> davidb, yes, I moved over that, and stucked on something else - logs
  231. # [16:04] <@tbsaunde> askalski: we call that usy waiting not active waiting around her
  232. # [16:04] <@askalski> usy?
  233. # [16:04] <@davidb> askalski: can you break through or are you blocked?
  234. # [16:04] <@davidb> busy
  235. # [16:04] <@askalski> davidb, I can, but there will be multiple ugly patches
  236. # [16:04] <@askalski> davidb, marked TODO
  237. # [16:04] <@askalski> ok?
  238. # [16:04] <@davidb> i *think* so
  239. # [16:05] <@tbsaunde> yeah, depends on definiton of ugly, but its test code so probably fine
  240. # [16:05] <@davidb> right
  241. # [16:05] <@davidb> and alternatives might be less deterministic
  242. # [16:05] <@davidb> just my hunch
  243. # [16:07] <@tbsaunde> well, timeouts tend to be more flaky than other things
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  245. # [16:07] <@tbsaunde> but sometimes the only other option is solving the halting problem so, you do what you can
  246. # [16:09] * @MarcoZ is writing a draft blog post about setting up an Android device with Talkback and other stuff and feels a bit like he talks about stuff he doesn't know. ;)
  247. # [16:11] <@askalski> davidb, yeah, I am getting a patch to that :D
  248. # [16:11] <@davidb> to what?
  249. # [16:14] <@askalski> davidb, to logging issue
  250. # [16:14] <@davidb> ok
  251. # [16:14] <@askalski> davidb, they haven't exposed some necessary facillities,
  252. # [16:16] <@tbsaunde> man, I would not make a good teacher
  253. # [16:16] <@davidb> tbsaunde: lol why?
  254. # [16:19] <@tbsaunde> I get impatient and frustrated when people don't think or realize things
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  256. # [16:27] <@davidb> for some reason that immediately makes me think of drivers
  257. # [16:27] <@davidb> (car drivers)
  258. # [16:31] <@tbsaunde> heh, yeah
  259. # [16:31] <@tbsaunde> I guess I react ot it about the same way my dad reacts to bad drivers
  260. # [16:32] <@tbsaunde> which is an interesting thing to note that I hadn't realized before
  261. # [16:33] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled feedback?(trev.saunders@gma il.com) for attachment 621925 on bug 750295.
  262. # [16:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750295 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, don't cache gStringBundle in nsAccessNode
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  272. # [17:06] <@MarcoZ> davidb: You've got mail. So does eeejay.
  273. # [17:06] <@davidb> noted :0
  274. # [17:06] <@davidb> :)
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  277. # [17:14] <@tbsaunde> man, I just stumbled into an old nspr bug :(
  278. # [17:15] <@tbsaunde> and worse something made me read it
  279. # [17:16] <@MarcoZ> LOL
  280. # [17:18] <@davidb|mtg> tbsaunde, eeejay, MarcoZ, askalski , hub, * thoughts on a team meeting tomorrow?
  281. # [17:22] <@davidb|mtg> it would normally be an off week unless there is something pressing
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  285. # [17:25] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Nothing pressing now that we have the Android question cleared up already.
  286. # [17:26] <Mark_Capella> tbsaunde: Why would one use an nsXPIDLString instead of an nsAutoString?
  287. # [17:29] <Mark_Capella> I see them used interchangeably in some code ... wonders why one vs. the other or if it's even important
  288. # [17:30] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: nsXPIDLString avoids a copy when your dealing with getterCoppies
  289. # [17:30] <@tbsaunde> and wstring / PRUnicCHar** out args
  290. # [17:31] <Mark_Capella> oh ... its a good thing ... thanks
  291. # [17:31] <@davidb> MarcoZ: let's not meet this week then… we're all heads down
  292. # [17:31] * @MarcoZ sends out meeting cancellation notification.
  293. # [17:33] <@tbsaunde> Mark_Capella: well, modulo the fact wstring is an abomanation sure
  294. # [17:33] <Mark_Capella> :)
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  296. # [17:49] <@davidb> gecko strings hurt my puny brain
  297. # [17:51] <Mark_Capella> ack ... string classes ... nsString, nsAString, nsXPIDLString, NSString, nsAutoString, my brain is full...
  298. # [17:51] <@hub> I would link you to MDN, but it is supposed to be down today
  299. # [17:51] <@hub> ignore "NSString"
  300. # [17:51] <@hub> this is mac specific
  301. # [17:51] <@davidb> http://mindforks.blogspot.ca/2007/01/if-julie-andrews-hacked-on-mozilla.html
  302. # [17:52] <@hub> I must be missing the pop culture reference
  303. # [17:52] <@davidb> BTW there be sarcasm
  304. # [17:52] <Mark_Capella> But we've got Mac code and I bump into it
  305. # [17:52] <Mark_Capella> I found this to digest https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Mozilla_internal_string_guide#Raw_Character_Pointers
  306. # [17:52] <@davidb> hub: I've watched the Sound of Music too many times (my daughters fav movie)
  307. # [17:53] <@hub> ok
  308. # [17:54] <Mark_Capella> way back machine http://bofh.ntk.net/BOFH/0000/bastard01.php
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  310. # [17:56] <@tbsaunde> do people actually find the mdn docs on strings useful? I feel like its usually easier for me to just go dig through xpcom/string/
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  313. # [17:57] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I loled
  314. # [17:58] <@tbsaunde> not sure who she is, but still funny
  315. # [17:58] <Mark_Capella> :O
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  319. # [18:03] <@davidb> tbsaunde: heheh
  320. # [18:05] <@davidb> it has to be sung like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbQSAdU4Qb4
  321. # [18:05] <@davidb> wait no
  322. # [18:05] <@davidb> wrong song
  323. # [18:06] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 621776 on bug 747227.
  324. # [18:06] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested feedback from surkov.alexander@gmail.com for attachment 621776 on bug 747227.
  325. # [18:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=747227 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, decomtaminate GetCellIndexAt() on accessible tables
  326. # [18:06] <@davidb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfbB0p-yyLA
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  328. # [18:08] <@tbsaunde> it might just be voice, but I think I like your version better :)
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  333. # [18:20] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted feedback for attachment 621924 on bug 750216.
  334. # [18:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750216 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, don't export headers that aren't used outside
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  336. # [18:33] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: I just replied. And I'd be OK with changing the navigation within HTML content to right for forward and left for backward.
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  340. # [18:34] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, thanks! I'm convinced
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  342. # [18:37] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: So, would you be OK if I published the post? Again, when we change the navigation paradigm, we can document it, and I can update the original post just as easily.
  343. # [18:37] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, yeah. my mind is at ease
  344. # [18:37] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, did you try it out?
  345. # [18:38] <@MarcoZ> Yes, I did! You need the May 8, 2012 build, in the May 7 build the HTML content doesn't talk yet. But the May 8 build is nice. I like the "Loading" indicator when a web page is loaded. And the response is OK, too. I don't notice any slowness compared to the C++ impl we had earlier.
  346. # [18:42] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, yeah, there shouldn't be
  347. # [18:43] <@eeejay> cool!
  348. # [18:43] * @eeejay takes a break from ranting on bugzilla. getting coffee
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  351. # [18:47] <@askalski> eeejay, MarionetteException.__str__ returns dict :D:D:D:D:D
  352. # [18:47] <@askalski> eeejay, even better: *in some cases* :D
  353. # [18:47] <@askalski> isn't dynamic programming so much fun :D?
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  357. # [19:01] <@askalski> \me relocates
  358. # [19:01] <@askalski> ahh
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  362. # [19:29] <@davidb> eeejay: heh bug 752947
  363. # [19:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752947 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Flour missing from pancake recipe
  364. # [19:30] * Mark_Capella|lunch is now known as Mark_Capella
  365. # [19:36] <Mark_Capella> thats too much baking powder
  366. # [19:36] <Mark_Capella> it overwhelms the flour :p
  367. # [19:38] <@eeejay> Expected results: Fluffy pancakes
  368. # [19:38] <Mark_Capella> tres!
  369. # [19:38] <@eeejay> but i get this greasy mush instead
  370. # [19:38] <Mark_Capella> I use that website !
  371. # [19:39] <@eeejay> Mark_Capella, my favorite pancake recipe, also the top Google result for "pancake recipe"
  372. # [19:39] <@davidb> eeejay: joe just laughed out loud
  373. # [19:39] <@eeejay> davidb, joe?
  374. # [19:40] <@davidb> joe drew (gfx dude)
  375. # [19:40] <@eeejay> oh, hai joe :)
  376. # [19:41] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Have you tried navigating the whole about:home page? I don't seem to be able to get past "Support".
  377. # [19:41] <@MarcoZ> So I never reach "Set up sync", for example.
  378. # [19:43] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, it actually got better recently, used to be completely unnavigable. if you could file a bug, i could get around to filing one too
  379. # [19:43] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, but you could set up sync via settings, right?
  380. # [19:55] <@davidb> eeejay, MarcoZ anything to communicate at the dev meeting?
  381. # [19:55] <@davidb> * ^
  382. # [19:56] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 752986 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  383. # [19:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752986 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Use left right D-Pad keys for content navigation
  384. # [19:56] <@eeejay> davidb, sh*t is getting accessible on android
  385. # [19:57] <@eeejay> blah, should have built mc over night
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  388. # [19:59] <@davidb> i'll link to MarcoZ's blog
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  390. # [20:03] <@davidb> eeejay: i should have fennec talk during the meeting
  391. # [20:03] <@davidb> or… better… you could!?
  392. # [20:03] <@eeejay> davidb, that could be rude
  393. # [20:03] <@davidb> heheh
  394. # [20:03] <@davidb> you know what i mean
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  397. # [20:03] <@eeejay> davidb, if you think it is awesome, go ahead, i'll be muted as per usual vidyo suck
  398. # [20:04] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Hah, yes I could, but the dialog that shows the code is completely inaccessible.
  399. # [20:04] <@eeejay> askalski, :D:D:D:D:D
  400. # [20:04] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, dang
  401. # [20:04] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: But my gf read it to me, and I now have sync enabled.
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  403. # [20:04] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Yeah, just briefly show that it works. ;)
  404. # [20:05] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, mind filing a bug for that in fennec native?
  405. # [20:05] <@eeejay> you could assign it to me
  406. # [20:05] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Will do!
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  408. # [20:08] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 622046 on bug 752986.
  409. # [20:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752986 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Use left right D-Pad keys for content navigation
  410. # [20:12] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, no need prefix with [AccessFu] outside of our component
  411. # [20:13] <@davidb> eeejay: why are up and down mapped to anything? (in the patch)
  412. # [20:13] <@davidb> aren't
  413. # [20:13] <@eeejay> davidb, that is a good q, bad patch!!!
  414. # [20:13] <@davidb> heheh
  415. # [20:14] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org cancelled review?(dbolter@mozilla.com ) for attachment 622046 on bug 752986.
  416. # [20:14] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Yeah I was wondering that, too, since you want to get to the chrome from content with up, and vice versa.
  417. # [20:14] <@eeejay> right
  418. # [20:15] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Well, I thought it made sense to prefix it since people then know it's something related to us.
  419. # [20:16] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, maybe the usual accessibility whiteboard/keyword? AccessFu is specifically for content accessibility, and the bug you filed is more about native android ui not being accessible
  420. # [20:16] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: OK!
  421. # [20:17] <@MarcoZ> I added the access keyword there, too, so should be obvious.
  422. # [20:19] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, cool, thanks
  423. # [20:19] * @MarcoZ feels excited. Mac, Android, both announced within one week, and both moving forward.
  424. # [20:20] <@eeejay> root!
  425. # [20:20] <@davidb> yes.
  426. # [20:22] <@davidb> eeejay: we need to sort out your vidyo-ability
  427. # [20:25] <@MarcoZ> davidb: So did you demo it?
  428. # [20:25] * @MarcoZ is currently not dialled in.
  429. # [20:25] <@davidb> MarcoZ: i'm not going to this week
  430. # [20:25] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 750287 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  431. # [20:25] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 750287 to FIXED.
  432. # [20:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750287 nor, --, mozilla15, markcapella, RESO FIXED, don't cache is form fill enabled pref
  433. # [20:25] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 751828 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  434. # [20:25] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 751828 to FIXED.
  435. # [20:25] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 751828 from --- to mozilla15.
  436. # [20:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=751828 nor, --, mozilla15, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, densify nsHTMLListAccessible
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  439. # [20:26] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, jprmc announced it
  440. # [20:26] <@hub> now I need to figure how irssi works
  441. # [20:26] <@hub> *sigh*
  442. # [20:27] <@MarcoZ> Hi hub!
  443. # [20:28] <@davidb> ew
  444. # [20:28] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 622054 on bug 752986.
  445. # [20:28] <@davidb> i'm not a fan (but i'm the odd one out)
  446. # [20:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752986 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Use left right D-Pad keys for content navigation
  447. # [20:28] <@davidb> BTW everyone… May 9th is Accessibility Awareness Day
  448. # [20:29] * @eeejay will make himself extra-aware
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  450. # [20:31] <@davidb> eeejay: is it common to do something like Cc['@mozilla.org/android/bridge;1'].getService(Ci.nsIAndroidBridge). for each event (up) ?
  451. # [20:32] <@davidb> is it bad to hold onto the bridge service?
  452. # [20:32] <@eeejay> davidb, it should only happen once, because Chrome:Focus will make the webview blur
  453. # [20:33] <@eeejay> davidb, you mean each time we press 'up' right?
  454. # [20:33] <@davidb> yeah
  455. # [20:33] <@davidb> i'm wondering about having to request the service over and over - is there cost?
  456. # [20:34] <@eeejay> yeah, after the first up you should be in the awesomebar, so pressing up again won't do anything (or go through that code)
  457. # [20:34] <@eeejay> davidb, did i answer you q?
  458. # [20:34] <@davidb> not yet :)
  459. # [20:34] <@eeejay> so you are pressing left/right browsing content...
  460. # [20:35] <@eeejay> then you want to type in a new url, you press up, and the awesomebar gets focus (focus leaves the content)
  461. # [20:35] <@eeejay> if you press up again, the awesomebar recieves it, not the webview
  462. # [20:35] <@davidb> ohh
  463. # [20:35] <@davidb> got you
  464. # [20:36] <@eeejay> so hypothetically a repeated up is not really possible
  465. # [20:36] <@davidb> hub: are you there?
  466. # [20:36] <@davidb> the floating laptop?
  467. # [20:37] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: But if you press down again to go back into the content, and then press up again, will the service be created again, or reused?
  468. # [20:37] <@eeejay> "Chrome:Focus" means move focus out to the chrome, out of the content
  469. # [20:37] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, good question
  470. # [20:37] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: I believe that's what davidb originally meant. :)
  471. # [20:39] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, davidb, in the main chrome code you retrieve the service every time you want to send a message, so i assume it is not costly.
  472. # [20:39] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, we do that also when firing a11y events, so maybe it would make a diff if we hold a reference, that is a valid question
  473. # [20:39] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: OK.
  474. # [20:40] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: One more question: Where is the case handled that focus traverses from chrome to content, meaning the "down" key for this case?
  475. # [20:40] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, that is handled natively by android widget focus controls.
  476. # [20:41] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, the issue is that once focus lands in the webview, we capture all key events, including d-pad events so we need to relinquish focus with that message
  477. # [20:42] <@eeejay> i made it work in non-accessibility mode too, when you scroll all the way up and then some more the focus goes into the awesomebar
  478. # [20:46] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Aesome, thanks for the explanation!
  479. # [20:46] <@MarcoZ> s/aesome/awesome/
  480. # [20:47] <@MarcoZ> Sigh, folks, what do I set the platform and OS for if you then ask me what platform this is against? Re bug 752995.
  481. # [20:47] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752995 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, J-PAKE pairing code display is not accessible
  482. # [20:47] <@MarcoZ> OK, but I'll call it a night now. See you all tomorrow! And working with all of you is so much fun!!!
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  489. # [21:06] <@hub> ay
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  492. # [21:43] <@davidb> hub: heyo
  493. # [21:44] <@davidb> wow i have 30 minutes free
  494. # [21:44] <@davidb> (unexpectedly)
  495. # [22:04] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 753067 filed by hub@mozilla.com.
  496. # [22:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=753067 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, initializer reorder warning + suggested brace (debug code)
  497. # [22:05] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 622054 on bug 752986.
  498. # [22:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752986 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Use left right D-Pad keys for content navigation
  499. # [22:06] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 622100 on bug 753067.
  500. # [22:21] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 622100 on bug 753067.
  501. # [22:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=753067 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, initializer reorder warning + suggested brace (debug code)
  502. # [22:26] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 753076 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  503. # [22:26] <@firebot> Bug 753076 was not found.
  504. # [22:35] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 753067 from --- to mozilla15.
  505. # [22:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=753067 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, initializer reorder warning + suggested brace (debug code)
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  507. # [22:47] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested feedback from trev.saunders@gma il.com for attachment 622128 on bug 750295.
  508. # [22:47] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750295 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, don't cache gStringBundle in nsAccessNode
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  511. # [22:51] <@hub> this patch doesn't apply in m-i :-/
  512. # [22:52] <@tbsaunde> hub: ?
  513. # [22:57] <@hub> tbsaunde: from Mark. on bug 750295
  514. # [22:57] <@tbsaunde> mind if I'm curious why you want to?
  515. # [22:59] <@hub> tbsaunde: to test it since it touches Mac
  516. # [22:59] <@hub> but nevermind
  517. # [22:59] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 753093 filed by scoobidiver@netcourrier.com.
  518. # [22:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=753093 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in nsAccUtils::HasDefinedARIAToken
  519. # [22:59] <@hub> I'm sure that if I was using git, it would work
  520. # [23:00] <@tbsaunde> hub: you test every patch that touches mac/?!?
  521. # [23:00] <@hub> tbsaunde: no
  522. # [23:00] <@hub> not a lot does
  523. # [23:00] <@hub> I'll just resume what I was working on
  524. # [23:01] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca cancelled feedback?(surkov.alexander@ gmail.com) for attachment 621776 on bug 747227.
  525. # [23:01] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested feedback from surkov.alexander@ gmail.com for attachment 622133 on bug 747227.
  526. # [23:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=747227 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, decomtaminate GetCellIndexAt() on accessible tables
  527. # [23:01] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 753095 filed by scoobidiver@netcourrier.com.
  528. # [23:02] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=753095 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in mozilla::a11y::HTMLTextFieldAccessible::NativeRole
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