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  1. # Session Start: Fri May 18 00:00:03 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:05] <capella> ack ... winDOHs build crashes
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  7. # [00:17] <Shnish> capella: Where would i look at to see if bug 682811 is being fired? would it be in the DOMI addon where all of the events appear?
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  10. # [00:19] <capella> yes i imagine so, i havent worked with that a whole lot
  11. # [00:19] <capella> DOMi seems to do it though
  12. # [00:20] <Shnish> ok, was just making sure
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  14. # [00:21] <capella> it looks like menupopup_end events for this were working prior bug 570275 and now to be restored ...
  15. # [00:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=570275 nor, P1, ---, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, rework accessible tree update code
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  17. # [00:24] <capella> shnish: you can scan the DIFF file attached to the bug (the final patch) to see how "menupopup_start" and etc. events logic
  18. # [00:24] <capella> was changed from the initial version to the final ... i guess something was removed that needs to be put back
  19. # [00:25] <Shnish> capella: I was thinking that, and I was looking at that for a while.
  20. # [00:25] <Shnish> but thanks
  21. # [00:25] <capella> if you need more detail, ask the mentor or requester in the bug itself, I'm not involved or familiar with this issue offhand
  22. # [00:27] <Shnish> ok, thank you
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  25. # [00:43] <cilias> is there an agenda page for next a11y meeting? I'd like to get a response from ken_s on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746251
  26. # [00:43] <@firebot> Bug 746251 nor, --, 2.4, bmo2010, NEW, Add mozilla.accessibility to https://www.mozilla.org/access/
  27. # [00:44] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 756287 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  28. # [00:44] <@firebot> Bug 756287 was not found.
  29. # [00:45] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 624928 on bug 756287.
  30. # [01:15] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 756296 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  31. # [01:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756296 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, nsIAccessiblePivot move to coordinate method
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  37. # [02:21] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 736886 from --- to mozilla15.
  38. # [02:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736886 nor, --, mozilla15, markcapella, ASSI, test_nsIAccessibleDocument.html silently dies
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  51. # [05:01] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested feedback from trev.saunders@gma il.com for attachment 624997 on bug 745428.
  52. # [05:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745428 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, densify nsTextAccessible
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  69. # [09:36] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 756381 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  70. # [09:36] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail.com for attachment 625022 on bug 756381.
  71. # [09:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756381 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, make FocusManager::FocusedDOMNode faster
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  74. # [10:13] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested feedback from marco.zehe@google mail.com for attachment 624755 on bug 754879.
  75. # [10:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=754879 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, reorg IEnumVariant implementation to traverse accessible children
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  85. # [11:12] <@firebot> bugs@pettay.fi granted review for attachment 625022 on bug 756381.
  86. # [11:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756381 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, make FocusManager::FocusedDOMNode faster
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  118. # [16:03] <@davidb> surkov: did you notice vlad came back to mozilla?
  119. # [16:04] <@surkov> davidb: no :) I didn't know he left :)
  120. # [16:05] <@davidb> haha!
  121. # [16:05] <@davidb> he left the same time as beltzner
  122. # [16:05] <@surkov> ok
  123. # [16:06] <@davidb> they both went to a mining company
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  125. # [16:15] <@surkov> what is a mining company?
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  127. # [16:16] <@davidb> surkov: well a mining company is about getting resources out of the ground… but actually their company was about software tooling for mining companies
  128. # [16:17] <@surkov> ok
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  133. # [16:48] <fxa90id> hi
  134. # [16:48] <fxa90id> I see you have found me on bitbucket
  135. # [16:48] <fxa90id> ;p
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  137. # [17:02] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 624928 on bug 756287.
  138. # [17:02] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756287 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Introduce PresenterContext to encapsulate and cache tree operations
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  142. # [17:23] <@firebot> a9016009@gmx.de changed the Status on bug 536696 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  143. # [17:23] <@firebot> a9016009@gmx.de set the Resolution field on bug 536696 to DUPLICATE of bug 233612.
  144. # [17:23] <@firebot> a9016009@gmx.de changed the Target Milestone on bug 536696 from Firefox 3.6 to ---.
  145. # [17:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=536696 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Keyboard shortcut to streamline google search for highlighted text
  146. # [17:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=233612 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Highlight text, Ctrl+E should put text in search field
  147. # [17:23] <@firebot> a9016009@gmx.de changed the Component on bug 233612 from General to Keyboard Navigation.
  148. # [17:27] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 625114 on bug 740766.
  149. # [17:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740766 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, dexpcom nsAccessible::GroupPosition
  150. # [17:41] <capella> tbsaunde: are you around today?
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  153. # [17:49] <capella> surkov: do you know if tbsaunde is still in finals?
  154. # [17:50] <@surkov> capella: not sure but it seems he's pretty busy in school
  155. # [17:50] <capella> yah - wondering his availability ... i need his love with around 5 patches
  156. # [17:51] <capella> odd.... my daughter got out of GT two weeks ago
  157. # [17:56] <@surkov> capella: yep, I have a bunch for him as well
  158. # [17:57] <capella> It's nice to be needed ;)
  159. # [17:57] <@surkov> :)
  160. # [17:58] <@davidb> eeejay: ping
  161. # [18:00] <@davidb> surkov, capella Trevor is finished school work… just needs to wait for grades I think. and party.
  162. # [18:00] <@surkov> ok, that's also improtant :)
  163. # [18:00] <capella> Oho! The party part is probably the culprit :)
  164. # [18:01] <capella> Though I don't know him that well ... he might not be a drinker
  165. # [18:01] * @davidb giggles
  166. # [18:01] <@davidb> giggles/chortles
  167. # [18:02] <capella> Personally, I did my part to rid the world of booze ... hadda quit while I was ahead ...
  168. # [18:02] <capella> kept drinking, they kept making more, i couldn't win :p
  169. # [18:02] <@davidb> yeah it is a hard batle
  170. # [18:02] <@davidb> battle
  171. # [18:02] <capella> bottle?
  172. # [18:02] <@davidb> heh
  173. # [18:02] <@davidb> good news on coffee...
  174. # [18:03] <capella> drinks lotsa coffee now
  175. # [18:03] <@davidb> when you control for alcohol, smoking, etc… coffee is actually good for you
  176. # [18:09] <capella> davidb: Is it accepted to place limited amounts of hypertext links in resumes these days?
  177. # [18:09] <@davidb> sure
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  179. # [18:09] <@davidb> capella: did you get contacted?
  180. # [18:10] <capella> HP sends me stuff from time to time, got one last night so im doing an update to include mozilla contributions
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  184. # [18:50] <tbsaunde> surkov: davidb capella yeah, done with work and passed all my classes, but still seem to be busy this week
  185. # [18:50] <@surkov> cool
  186. # [18:50] <tbsaunde> not too much partying per say, but there were some pretty fun times this week
  187. # [18:50] <capella> :D
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  189. # [18:53] <drexler> nice :)
  190. # [18:53] <tbsaunde> yeah, I'm glad the work is done, but man I'm leaving :\
  191. # [18:54] <tbsaunde> I expect I'll go back some, but still
  192. # [19:02] <capella> tbsaunde: oh this was graduation not just end-of-year?
  193. # [19:06] <tbsaunde> capella: yup
  194. # [19:06] <capella> niiiiiiiiiice ... congratulations!
  195. # [19:08] <khuey> tbsaunde: so when do you start full time? ;-)
  196. # [19:10] <@davidb> tbsaunde: oh you know already you passed? woot!
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  198. # [19:10] <khuey> davidb: he doesn't need to pass to work here :-P
  199. # [19:10] <@davidb> khuey: july 3rd :)
  200. # [19:10] <khuey> sweet
  201. # [19:10] <@davidb> heheh
  202. # [19:11] <khuey> davidb: trust me, I double checked that my last semester ;-)
  203. # [19:11] <@davidb> lol
  204. # [19:11] <@davidb> yeah - double sweet is that he's gonna move to tronna! (toronto)
  205. # [19:13] <@davidb> when i thought i was going to graduate i went to the comp sci secretary and they said i had to do 1st year stats (i had done 2nd year stats).
  206. # [19:13] <@davidb> they were stubborn
  207. # [19:13] <@davidb> so i went back and did first year stats
  208. # [19:13] <@eeejay> davidb, pong?
  209. # [19:13] <@davidb> highest mark ever
  210. # [19:13] <@davidb> eeejay: hey!
  211. # [19:13] <@davidb> so the srt file
  212. # [19:13] <@eeejay> yeah?
  213. # [19:13] <@davidb> how do we deliver it?
  214. # [19:14] <@davidb> i mean it doesn't get burned in does it
  215. # [19:14] <@eeejay> davidb, we fix bug 629350
  216. # [19:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=629350 enh, --, ---, giles, NEW, Implement the track element
  217. # [19:14] <@davidb> sigh
  218. # [19:14] <@davidb> yeah
  219. # [19:15] <@davidb> but in the meantime?
  220. # [19:15] <@davidb> just offer a link to it?
  221. # [19:15] <@eeejay> davidb, there are js solutions
  222. # [19:15] <@davidb> true
  223. # [19:15] <@davidb> eeejay: will Rainer know the deal?
  224. # [19:15] <@davidb> i wonder
  225. # [19:15] <@eeejay> if it is on youtube, don't they have their own cc impl?
  226. # [19:15] <@davidb> probs
  227. # [19:15] <@davidb> i really dunno
  228. # [19:18] <@eeejay> looks like popcorn could do subtitles
  229. # [19:19] <tbsaunde> hm, is it bad I parsed cc as cycle colector?
  230. # [19:20] <tbsaunde> davidb: yeah, they have to figure out if they can ive me that piece of paper :)
  231. # [19:20] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, it is bad you said "parsed"
  232. # [19:20] <tbsaunde> eeejay: why?
  233. # [19:21] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, because your brain is in comp sci mode? dunno :)
  234. # [19:23] <@davidb> parsed and cycle collector are just fine sir
  235. # [19:23] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 756502 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  236. # [19:23] <@firebot> Bug 756502 was not found.
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  240. # [19:40] <tbsaunde> hm, seems orca's navigation of pdf.js around the top menu thing could be a bit better
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  250. # [20:29] <@davidb> eeejay: i'm remain confused about bug 748590 but i'm hoping that's ok.
  251. # [20:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748590 nor, --, Firefox 15, eitan, RESO FIXED, Re-map KEYCODE_DPAD_CENTER to DOM_VK_ENTER
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  253. # [20:30] <@eeejay> davidb, yeah, it is not a biggie. originally the distinction between dpad-center and return was important
  254. # [20:30] <@eeejay> davidb, but then i found out that some devices don't have d-pad center, so now enter does the same thing as dpad center
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  256. # [20:35] <@davidb> eeejay: android treats them as the same
  257. # [20:35] <@davidb> ?
  258. # [20:35] <@davidb> are they distinct events?
  259. # [20:37] <@eeejay> davidb, my original patch mapped dpad center to numpad enter, to distinguish between the two
  260. # [20:37] <@davidb> for what purpose
  261. # [20:37] <@davidb> ?
  262. # [20:38] <@davidb> mapping and distinguish sounds likes an oxymoron to my feeble mind
  263. # [20:38] <@eeejay> davidb, so when you are in a textarea, for example, accessfu would not capture return when you want to make a newline
  264. # [20:39] <@eeejay> the two meaning dpad center and return
  265. # [20:39] <@davidb> ohhhh
  266. # [20:40] <@davidb> oh
  267. # [20:40] <@davidb> ok
  268. # [20:40] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 756529 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  269. # [20:40] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756529 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Change activation preference to accessibility.accessfu.activate
  270. # [20:41] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 625178 on bug 756529.
  271. # [20:41] <@eeejay> davidb, but we resolved all that when i put in the patch for making the dpad work well with text editing.
  272. # [20:50] <@davidb> eeejay: we? if i understood before, new evidence probably confused me
  273. # [20:51] * @davidb shrugs
  274. # [20:51] <@eeejay> davidb, sorry if it is confusing
  275. # [20:51] <@davidb> eeejay: haha no no - it is me.
  276. # [20:52] <@eeejay> davidb, http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f24cb2b6f8f9#l2.84
  277. # [20:52] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 625178 on bug 756529.
  278. # [20:53] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756529 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Change activation preference to accessibility.accessfu.activate
  279. # [20:53] <@davidb> eeejay: see? it is me ;P
  280. # [20:53] <@eeejay> no worries!
  281. # [20:53] <@eeejay> the android list is useful for finding edge cases
  282. # [20:54] <@eeejay> apparently mobile.southwest.com is not acessible via ff android
  283. # [20:54] <@eeejay> maybe "edge" is the wrong term here
  284. # [20:54] <@davidb> heh
  285. # [20:54] <@eeejay> normal people fly sw, i hear
  286. # [20:56] <@davidb> i find that hard to believe
  287. # [21:00] <@davidb> eeejay: that's on the eyes-free list… i wonder if we are hijacking that list?
  288. # [21:00] <@davidb> eeejay: i think we should steer people to a moz list
  289. # [21:00] <@eeejay> hm
  290. # [21:00] <@davidb> or a generic android a11y list if there is one
  291. # [21:01] <@davidb> unless eyes-free is generic and not about the eyes-free product
  292. # [21:01] <@eeejay> davidb, is your concern not upsetting other android a11y folks, or getting them more involved in moz?
  293. # [21:01] <@davidb> upsetting google eyes-free devs
  294. # [21:01] <@eeejay> davidb, it is all over the place. most topics are even hardly a11y related, just a forum for blind android users
  295. # [21:02] <@davidb> oh the list is described as "Speech Enabled Eyes-Free Android Applications"
  296. # [21:02] <@davidb> so shut my mouth
  297. # [21:02] <@eeejay> there is no such thing as ot in that list
  298. # [21:02] <@davidb> even better, that is the tagline for the eyes-free proj
  299. # [21:02] <@davidb> heh
  300. # [21:03] <@eeejay> the biggest thread right now is about what media player is best
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  304. # [21:41] <Shnish> tbsaunde: For bug 682811, how would you get the subtree?
  305. # [21:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682811 nor, --, ---, Jennyherrera.19, NEW, menupopup_start/menupopup_end/alert events should be fired for accessibles inside the shown/hide sub
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  313. # [22:09] <Shnish> tbsaunde: when you have time can you review bug 682811?
  314. # [22:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682811 nor, --, ---, Jennyherrera.19, NEW, menupopup_start/menupopup_end/alert events should be fired for accessibles inside the shown/hide sub
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  317. # [22:20] <@davidb> Shnish: did you attach a patch?
  318. # [22:23] <Shnish> no i didn't, I was just wondering if it would work as I have no way to see the output of the code
  319. # [22:27] <Shnish> davidb: should I just try what i said then submit a patch?
  320. # [22:28] <@davidb> oh i see, you must be Dan… so you want feedback on your comment
  321. # [22:29] <@davidb> ok well tbsaunde might be on later
  322. # [22:29] <@davidb> i don't have time to catch up on that bug right now :)
  323. # [22:29] <Shnish> ok thank you
  324. # [22:35] <@davidb> ok all - peace out
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  343. # [23:23] <@firebot> Ms2ger@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 736886 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  344. # [23:23] <@firebot> Ms2ger@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 736886 to FIXED.
  345. # [23:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736886 nor, --, mozilla15, markcapella, RESO FIXED, test_nsIAccessibleDocument.html silently dies
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