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  1. # Session Start: Thu May 24 00:00:00 2012
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  21. # [02:19] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 758072 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  22. # [02:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758072 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Pivot fails to traverse backwards to previous sibling if current node does not match rule
  23. # [02:21] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 626641 on bug 758072.
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  38. # [06:25] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 749810 from --- to mozilla15.
  39. # [06:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749810 nor, --, mozilla15, markcapella, ASSI, getText(0, -1) fails with empty text
  40. # [06:25] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 745428 from --- to mozilla15.
  41. # [06:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745428 nor, --, mozilla15, markcapella, ASSI, densify nsTextAccessible
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  43. # [06:50] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 750026 from --- to mozilla15.
  44. # [06:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750026 nor, --, mozilla15, trev.saunders, NEW, rm some unneeded nsCOMPtrs
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  46. # [07:06] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 758112 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
  47. # [07:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758112 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, use nsTypedSelection in a11y
  48. # [07:10] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 758113 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
  49. # [07:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758113 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, rm a bunch of nsIDOMNode stuff in nsHyperTextAccessible
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  60. # [08:33] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Status on bug 757504 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  61. # [08:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757504 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, decomtaminate GetColumnExtentAt/GetRowExtentAt on accessible tables
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  69. # [09:10] <@surkov> tbsaunde: hi
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  73. # [10:00] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 757670 from --- to mozilla15.
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  102. # [14:10] <@tbsaunde> surkov: hi
  103. # [14:10] <@surkov> hey
  104. # [14:12] <@tbsaunde> surkov: how goes?
  105. # [14:12] <@surkov> so so la la
  106. # [14:13] * @surkov thinks that 41 iteration can end up with pretty ugly code
  107. # [14:13] <@surkov> 698823
  108. # [14:14] <@tbsaunde> surkov: you look at the pivot stuff
  109. # [14:14] <@tbsaunde> ?
  110. # [14:14] <@surkov> yes, traversal
  111. # [14:14] * @tbsaunde wonders if there's a way for that code to be nice
  112. # [14:15] <@surkov> at least styled properly
  113. # [14:15] <@surkov> what is that for example if (!(parent == accessible))
  114. # [14:16] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I'm not sure I understand your question
  115. # [14:16] <@surkov> ooops, sorry, that's "if (!(accessible = parent))"
  116. # [14:16] <@surkov> I didn't saw it's assigning
  117. # [14:17] <@surkov> I'm just curious how I r+'ed that
  118. # [14:17] <@tbsaunde> no clue
  119. # [14:20] <@tbsaunde> surkov: where you looking for me early or just felt like saying hi?
  120. # [14:21] <@surkov> tbsaunde: both :) I hoped you are around for quick review of bug 757757
  121. # [14:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757757 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Add dexpcomed version of GetAnonymousElementByAttribute
  122. # [14:22] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, should be able to look at tht nowish
  123. # [14:22] <@surkov> cool
  124. # [14:23] <@surkov> I just don't want to keep bugs fixing something outside a11y for a long time
  125. # [14:27] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 626641 on bug 758072.
  126. # [14:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758072 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Pivot fails to traverse backwards to previous sibling if current node does not match rule
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  132. # [15:02] <@MarcoZ> surkRe your review comment to Eitan: Could it be that he didn't mean to write this as an assignment, but rather as == ?
  133. # [15:02] <@MarcoZ> Oops surkov left again.
  134. # [15:06] <@askalski> tbsaunde, is there some kind of global Accessible Tree interface ?
  135. # [15:07] <@askalski> tbsaunde, like sun's standard?
  136. # [15:08] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 626349 on bug 757757.
  137. # [15:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757757 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Add dexpcomed version of GetAnonymousElementByAttribute
  138. # [15:09] <@tbsaunde> askalski: not sure I understand your question
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  141. # [15:13] <@askalski> tbsaunde, I wanted to wrap IAccessible from MSAA in some pythonic interface. I wonder which interface to mimic to have less effort writing second backend to say at-spi
  142. # [15:14] <@askalski> davidb, any ideas? ^
  143. # [15:15] <@tbsaunde> askalski: ia2 and atk are pretty similar so I'd probably just go with ia2
  144. # [15:18] <@askalski> tbsaunde, and is there a standard XML schema for representing accessible trees?
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  146. # [15:21] <@tbsaunde> askalski: not that I'm aware of
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  149. # [15:32] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 626780 on bug 757381.
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  151. # [15:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757381 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Indicate whether a text entry field is multi line.
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  166. # [17:27] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Heyo! The new patch in bug 757381 actually allows one to build a grammatically correct phrase out of the role "edit" and the phrase for "multi line". So in that, it *is* nicer than just concatenating the states. But having to copy & paste a lot of the other func is still making me feel ugh. ;)
  167. # [17:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757381 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Indicate whether a text entry field is multi line.
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  173. # [17:46] <eeejay> bon jorno!
  174. # [17:47] <eeejay> hey MarcoZ
  175. # [17:47] <@davidb> hola
  176. # [17:52] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 626373 on bug 757739.
  177. # [17:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757739 cri, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, crash in nsAccUtils::MustPrune
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  179. # [18:06] <@MarcoZ> Hi eeejay!
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  181. # [18:06] <eeejay> MarcoZ, hey hey
  182. # [18:07] <@MarcoZ> davidb: So, do you notice any speed improvements with today's nightly build with Windows 7 speech rec? A number of perf improvement patches for that should be in today's build.
  183. # [18:07] <eeejay> MarcoZ, I started refactoring the state utterances last night, and it is relevant to the patch you submitted. so i am going to ask for your review, and then you could submit a new one for multiline entry
  184. # [18:08] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Sounds good!
  185. # [18:08] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: I followed your suggestion to create a function for entry since I had nothing better to do at the time. ;)
  186. # [18:10] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i'm all for more investigation
  187. # [18:12] <@tbsaunde> davidb: sure, just curious what you have against asserts
  188. # [18:13] <@davidb> there are so many they are unusable
  189. # [18:13] <@davidb> of course that opinion might be obsolete
  190. # [18:13] <@davidb> i've turned them off forever
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  194. # [18:17] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 757418 from RESOLVED to VERIFIED.
  195. # [18:17] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757418 maj, --, mozilla15, eitan, VERI FIXED, [AccessFu] On some Wikipedia pages, document title is repeated whenever returning from a link
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  198. # [18:25] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from marco.zehe@googlema il.com for attachment 626844 on bug 757954.
  199. # [18:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757954 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Report object states in a scalable fashion
  200. # [18:25] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from marco.zehe@googlema il.com for attachment 626846 on bug 757954.
  201. # [18:26] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 757670 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  202. # [18:26] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 757670 to FIXED.
  203. # [18:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757670 nor, --, mozilla15, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, make nsIPresShell::GetLinkLocation faster
  204. # [18:28] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 750026 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  205. # [18:28] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 750026 to FIXED.
  206. # [18:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750026 nor, --, mozilla15, trev.saunders, RESO FIXED, rm some unneeded nsCOMPtrs
  207. # [18:30] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 749810 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  208. # [18:30] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 749810 to FIXED.
  209. # [18:30] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749810 nor, --, mozilla15, markcapella, RESO FIXED, getText(0, -1) fails with empty text
  210. # [18:31] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 745428 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  211. # [18:31] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 745428 to FIXED.
  212. # [18:31] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745428 nor, --, mozilla15, markcapella, RESO FIXED, densify nsTextAccessible
  213. # [18:44] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org cancelled review?(eitan@monotonous.or g) for attachment 626780 on bug 757381.
  214. # [18:44] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757381 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Indicate whether a text entry field is multi line.
  215. # [18:46] <eeejay> arky, yo!
  216. # [18:47] * eeejay steps out for 5 minutes
  217. # [18:53] <arky> eeejay, yo!
  218. # [18:55] <eeejay> hey arky, regarding bug 757724, could you please verify you don't get loaded messages? I do
  219. # [18:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757724 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Generate Accessible page loaded Event
  220. # [18:56] <eeejay> arky, it is the titled followed by "loaded", so it might not be obvious
  221. # [18:56] <eeejay> might need to switch that
  222. # [18:56] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted feedback for attachment 598787 on bug 726283.
  223. # [18:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726283 nor, --, ---, jigneshhk1992, ASSI, consider using NS_GetContentList() directly in nsHTMLRadioButtonAccessible::GetPositionAndSizeIntern
  224. # [18:58] <arky> eeejay, I am sight user who can also use a screen reader (on desktop and mobile). What I mean in that bug is I never know when the page has finished loaded.
  225. # [18:58] <eeejay> arky, talkback speaks it
  226. # [18:59] <arky> eeejay, I am going to re-test then
  227. # [18:59] <arky> eeejay, thx for ping me about this bug
  228. # [19:00] <eeejay> arky, thanks for filing!
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  233. # [19:17] <eeejay> arky, also. when you file a11y bugs for android, if it is web content accessibility please use the following template:
  234. # [19:17] <eeejay> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Core&component=Disability%20Access%20APIs&op_sys=Android&short_desc=[AccessFu]%20&rep_platform=ARM&op_sys=Android
  235. # [19:18] <eeejay> if it is for the "chrome" or any other part of the app, fennec native is good. and please cc me
  236. # [19:18] <arky> eeejay, Man I have been filing bugs in the wrong place :P
  237. # [19:18] <eeejay> arky, no worries, it is not intuitive :)
  238. # [19:19] <arky> eeejay, What is accessfu?
  239. # [19:19] <eeejay> arky, aaccessfu is the javascript layer that drives mobile accessibility
  240. # [19:20] <eeejay> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Mobile/AccessFu
  241. # [19:20] <eeejay> it lives in accessible/src/jsat
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  243. # [19:20] <arky> eeejay, I would love to pick your brains about this.
  244. # [19:21] * catlee-lunch is now known as catlee
  245. # [19:26] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Target Milestone on bug 757598 from --- to mozilla15.
  246. # [19:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757598 nor, --, mozilla15, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] Have fallback click for inaccessible javascript
  247. # [19:34] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted review for attachment 626844 on bug 757954.
  248. # [19:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757954 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Report object states in a scalable fashion
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  251. # [19:38] <@davidb> eeejay: http://a11ymemes.tumblr.com/post/23243022322/skeptical-baby-says-you-mean-to-tell-me-i-have
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  254. # [19:39] <eeejay> davidb, i am amazed that tumblr exists
  255. # [19:39] <@davidb> heh
  256. # [19:42] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted review for attachment 626846 on bug 757954.
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  258. # [19:50] <@hub> eeejay: it is the new livejournal... minus comments
  259. # [19:51] <@MarcoZ> LOL
  260. # [19:52] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Thanks for this refactor of states, it makes things clearer, IMO.
  261. # [19:53] <eeejay> MarcoZ, cool. you could now just use the states argument, and give it different "role" names depending on multiline
  262. # [19:53] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Regarding the value for entries: Does the acc.value thingie not give us what we need? Which case do you think a subtree would be more useful?
  263. # [19:53] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: But 'd still be creating an 2entry" function, right?
  264. # [19:54] <@MarcoZ> I'd and "entry".
  265. # [19:54] <eeejay> MarcoZ, yeah, an entry function makes sense
  266. # [19:54] <eeejay> MarcoZ, acc.value holds the value
  267. # [19:55] <eeejay> MarcoZ, i am thinking about the future when we navigate by higher-level objects like headers or list items. we would need to utter the subtree anyway. so maybe entry fits in that approach
  268. # [19:57] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Yes, makes sense.
  269. # [19:58] <@MarcoZ> So I'll hold off on this until we decide to get the subtree approach in.
  270. # [19:58] <eeejay> MarcoZ, cool
  271. # [20:03] <@davidb> MarcoZ: you'll have to play keyboard for us sometime
  272. # [20:07] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 754857 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  273. # [20:07] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 754857 to FIXED.
  274. # [20:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=754857 nor, --, mozilla15, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, Speed up text leaf accessible state calculation
  275. # [20:07] <@MarcoZ> If you all come to Germany! ;) I certainly won't carry it to Toronto. ;)
  276. # [20:07] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 746084 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  277. # [20:07] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 746084 to FIXED.
  278. # [20:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746084 nor, --, mozilla15, surkov.alexander, ASSI, provide extended logging for a11y module
  279. # [20:08] <@MarcoZ> OK guys, off for the night. Spent all afternoon playing with Android and Windows builds to make sure all those changes landed didn't introduce anything bad.
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  283. # [20:29] <@davidb> tbsaunde: there is a fair bit of code in nsCSSFrameConstructor::ContentRemoved before we are called
  284. # [20:29] <@davidb> we should probably cc layout peeps
  285. # [20:29] <@davidb> I'm not sure how reparenting works
  286. # [20:31] <@tbsaunde> davidb: reparenting of what, frames?
  287. # [20:32] <@davidb> yeah
  288. # [20:32] <@davidb> i'm not sure if we are called in and the parent is killed some how
  289. # [20:32] <@davidb> sorry i'm leaving steps unspoken
  290. # [20:33] <@davidb> ultimately, the reparenting of elements involves a bunch of steps, trickling down to frames and a11y objects
  291. # [20:33] <@davidb> the promise of having a parent is broken somehow
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  293. # [20:33] <@davidb> but i'm not sure if the promise is currently real
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  296. # [20:38] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 758304 filed by hub@mozilla.com.
  297. # [20:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758304 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Mac] crash in nsAccUtils::IsTextInterfaceSupportCorrect()
  298. # [20:38] <@tbsaunde> davidb: sure, but since the tree of accessibles is broken we presumably have been called to break it
  299. # [20:38] <@davidb> tbsaunde: that is my assumption
  300. # [20:41] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 626895 on bug 758304.
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  302. # [20:48] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 626895 on bug 758304.
  303. # [20:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758304 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Mac] crash in nsAccUtils::IsTextInterfaceSupportCorrect()
  304. # [20:53] * @davidb sighs
  305. # [20:53] <@davidb> hub: http://blog.mozilla.org/bjacob/2012/05/24/e-voting-in-french-election-requires-out-of-date-java-plugin-blocked-by-firefox/
  306. # [20:57] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Target Milestone on bug 758072 from --- to mozilla15.
  307. # [20:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758072 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Pivot fails to traverse backwards to previous sibling if current node does not match rule
  308. # [20:58] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Target Milestone on bug 757954 from --- to mozilla15.
  309. # [20:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757954 nor, --, mozilla15, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] Report object states in a scalable fashion
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  311. # [21:08] <@hub> davidb: yes I know.
  312. # [21:08] <@hub> davidb: well require Java turned me off already
  313. # [21:08] <@hub> I complained
  314. # [21:08] <@hub> I have to call the consulate
  315. # [21:09] <@davidb> i'm not surprised you know :)
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  317. # [21:09] <@hub> to see if I can vote with paper
  318. # [21:09] <@davidb> cool
  319. # [21:09] <@hub> this e-voting just throw away the whole election act
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  321. # [21:10] <@davidb> hub: sounds like you are almost there with bug 750612
  322. # [21:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750612 maj, --, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] Too much is exposed to VoiceOver that is actually not currently visible/interactable
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  325. # [21:13] <@davidb> and now i go home so that i can run critsmash from home then spin around in circles while i transform into a short-order cook
  326. # [21:13] <@davidb> but i won't look like wonder woman
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