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- # Session Start: Fri May 25 00:00:02 2012
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [00:50] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 626995 on bug 753986.
- # [00:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=753986 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Read virtual cursor position's subtree
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- # [02:32] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 758304 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
- # [02:32] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 758304 from --- to mozilla15.
- # [02:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758304 nor, --, mozilla15, nobody, ASSI, [Mac] crash in nsAccUtils::IsTextInterfaceSupportCorrect()
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- # [11:55] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled feedback?(surkov.alexander@ gmail.com) for attachment 626578 on bug 750612.
- # [11:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750612 maj, --, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] Too much is exposed to VoiceOver that is actually not currently visible/interactable
- # [11:59] <@firebot> oussamabadr@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 627150 on bug 675879.
- # [11:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=675879 nor, --, ---, oussamabadr, NEW, clean up nsIAccessible action methods
- # [12:34] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested feedback from trev.saunders@gma il.com for attachment 627155 on bug 757504.
- # [12:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757504 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, decomtaminate GetColumnExtentAt/GetRowExtentAt on accessible tables
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- # [12:58] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 627150 on bug 675879.
- # [12:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=675879 nor, --, ---, oussamabadr, NEW, clean up nsIAccessible action methods
- # [13:01] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 756087 from --- to mozilla15.
- # [13:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756087 nor, --, mozilla15, surkov.alexander, ASSI, nsAccessible::GetChildCount should return unsigned int
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- # [13:20] <@firebot> oussamabadr@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 627171 on bug 675879.
- # [13:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=675879 nor, --, ---, oussamabadr, NEW, clean up nsIAccessible action methods
- # [13:21] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 627171 on bug 675879.
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- # [13:43] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 627181 on bug 740766.
- # [13:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740766 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, dexpcom nsAccessible::GroupPosition
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- # [15:33] <@davidb> Gijs: hi
- # [15:33] <@davidb> where are ya?
- # [15:33] <Gijs> the reception in front of the elevator?
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- # [15:40] <@davidb> hi all!
- # [15:40] <@davidb> Gijs is visiting the Toronto office today
- # [15:40] <@davidb> firebot: Gijs?
- # [15:40] <@firebot> davidb: well, duh. Gijs is Gijs Kruitbosch, ChatZilla+Venkman peer. mailto:gijskruitbosch@gmail.com , add +bugs to his name for bugmail. He is using the UTC time zone.
- # [15:41] <@MarcoZ> Heyo davidb and Gijs! have a good time, dudes!
- # [15:41] <@davidb> heheh you know it
- # [15:41] <@davidb> he's getting tea right now
- # [15:41] <@MarcoZ> I do!
- # [15:41] <@MarcoZ> And I also know you and Gijs personally! ;)
- # [15:41] <@davidb> It is so nice to have this big community area… the office proper is getting full!
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- # [16:03] <@MarcoZ> Bah, all the new utterance stuff will be in tomorrow's nightly. Looks like today's nightly doesn't contain any new stuff compared to yesterday's one.
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- # [16:10] <@firebot> nickc was last seen 5 weeks, 6 days, 20 hours, 6 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying 'I also asked about this on #accessibility' in #introduction.
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- # [17:09] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 627232 on bug 757381.
- # [17:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757381 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Indicate whether a text entry field is multi line.
- # [17:20] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: davidb: A bold statement, but I feel confident that we can leave Android accessibility on for the next merge to Aurora and therefore deployment into the Android market. I have a good feeling about this one.
- # [17:22] <@davidb> Absolutely.
- # [17:26] <@MarcoZ> davidb: And I think I can gear up for testing on that Samsung tablet I have sitting here. If I read yesterday's pushes correctly, a native tablet UI landed.
- # [17:27] <@davidb> MarcoZ: yes, we should probably get you a galaxy nexus really… although you'd have to buy locally and expense.
- # [17:28] <@MarcoZ> You mean that brandnew one?
- # [17:30] <@davidb> it is probably 6 months on the market
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- # [17:31] <@MarcoZ> davidbI must admit I'm getting confused with all these Android phones and different brands. They *did* announce a brandnew model recently, didn't they? But that's not the one you're referring to, right?
- # [17:32] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 758304 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
- # [17:32] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 758304 to FIXED.
- # [17:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758304 nor, --, mozilla15, hub, RESO FIXED, [Mac] crash in nsAccUtils::IsTextInterfaceSupportCorrect()
- # [17:35] <@MarcoZ> davidb: This one? http://www.amazon.de/Samsung-Smartphone-Touchscreen-Megapixel-titanium-silber/dp/B005Y5SE6I/ref=sr_1_1?s=ce-de&ie=UTF8&qid=1337959518&sr=1-1
- # [17:36] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, yeah, that guy
- # [17:37] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: OK! And then I have to do the navigation *how*?
- # [17:37] <@hub> the worse is when the same "model" has dozen of hardware variant (sometime very different) that make OS update random
- # [17:37] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, with a virtual d-pad, like the rest of the poor users
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- # [17:38] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: OK...
- # [17:38] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, I am maybe over-ambitious. but i want to implement explore by touch for this release
- # [17:38] <@eeejay> and if not, shortly after this one
- # [17:38] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, so that would be an ICS feature
- # [17:38] <@MarcoZ> So these would then work like those four virtual buttons at the very bottom of the touch screen of the HTC Desire you already know from my inventory, right?
- # [17:39] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Ambitious, but hey, that sounds cool!
- # [17:40] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 757954 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [17:40] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 757954 to FIXED.
- # [17:40] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757954 nor, --, mozilla15, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Report object states in a scalable fashion
- # [17:41] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 758072 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [17:41] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 758072 to FIXED.
- # [17:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758072 nor, --, mozilla15, eitan, RESO FIXED, Pivot fails to traverse backwards to previous sibling if current node does not match rule
- # [17:41] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, not sure what the question is. the galaxy nexus has "soft" buttons at the bottom that actually work with explore by touch (i think).
- # [17:42] <@eeejay> and then there is the virtual d-pad above it (that is toggled with volume down)
- # [17:42] <@eeejay> and there you flick in one of the four directions
- # [17:43] <@firebot> Ms2ger@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 757598 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [17:43] <@firebot> Ms2ger@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 757598 to FIXED.
- # [17:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757598 nor, --, mozilla15, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Have fallback click for inaccessible javascript
- # [17:45] <@davidb> MarcoZ, I think eeejay or hub was telling me that TV puts bits of tape on his galaxy nexus.
- # [17:45] <@eeejay> it's true!
- # [17:45] * @davidb mock vomits
- # [17:45] * @eeejay lols
- # [17:46] <@MarcoZ> OK, ordered it! For 371 Euros instead of 679, but still without SIM lock or something. Will expense it as soon as I get it.
- # [17:46] <@MarcoZ> davidb: eeejay: ^
- # [17:46] <@davidb> SIM lock probably prevents any potential b2g-ification but that's ok
- # [17:47] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: So, what's required for Explore by touch to work in ICS from our web content?
- # [17:47] <@davidb> MarcoZ: you don't mess around! :)
- # [17:47] <@MarcoZ> davidb: It's simlock free, so should be fine with *anything*. :)
- # [17:47] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, re: your patch, the "entry" function entirely replaces the "defaultFunc", so you need to add the states via _getLocalizedStates
- # [17:47] <@davidb> GetAccessibleObjectAtPoint i bet
- # [17:47] <@MarcoZ> Meaning without sim lock.
- # [17:47] <@davidb> MarcoZ: ah ok i misread
- # [17:48] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: OK, so should I do that, or do you have another suggestion than this way?
- # [17:49] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, i'll post a review in a sec. just catching you on irc to make it clear
- # [17:50] <@eeejay> davidb, MarcoZ, explore by touch means adding a method to the nsIAccessiblePivot, and capturing all mouse events in AccessFu
- # [17:50] <@davidb> eeejay: i will review the EBT patch tonight
- # [17:50] <@davidb> :)
- # [17:50] <@eeejay> ebt?
- # [17:50] <@davidb> doo-dee-dooooo
- # [17:51] <@davidb> explore...
- # [17:51] <@davidb> by….
- # [17:51] <@davidb> tarantulas
- # [17:51] <@MarcoZ> ggg
- # [17:51] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Fixed that locally.
- # [17:52] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org denied review for attachment 627232 on bug 757381.
- # [17:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757381 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Indicate whether a text entry field is multi line.
- # [17:52] <@eeejay> hehehe
- # [17:52] <@eeejay> yikes, i guess i should shut up and get to work then :)
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- # [18:10] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 627247 on bug 757381.
- # [18:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757381 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Indicate whether a text entry field is multi line.
- # [18:14] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: And when I get the Nexus, should I just go with the Android that's on it or re-flash with somthing stock?
- # [18:15] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, it should come with the right OS, since it is google-sanctioned
- # [18:17] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, did you test the patch?
- # [18:18] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org granted review for attachment 627247 on bug 757381.
- # [18:19] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Nope, I haven't set up a build env yet. I mostly did copy & paste with some editing inbetween.
- # [18:20] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, ok, so let me test and land?
- # [18:20] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Did you find anything wrong?
- # [18:20] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Thanks!
- # [18:20] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, a small nit about how you go about getting the role name
- # [18:21] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, but besides that it is the right approach
- # [18:22] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: I'm fine with that change. Would you apply it before landing please?
- # [18:22] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, yup! Thanks for the patch
- # [18:25] <@MarcoZ> Welcome!
- # [18:27] <@hub> davidb: SIM lock is about the carrier, not the OS.
- # [18:28] <@hub> davidb, MarcoZ: and TV put some star shaped stickers on the touch buttons....
- # [18:28] <@hub> davidb: alos Galaxy Nexus is not b2g-able yet
- # [18:47] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Target Milestone on bug 757381 from --- to mozilla15.
- # [18:47] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757381 nor, --, mozilla15, marco.zehe, NEW, [AccessFu] Indicate whether a text entry field is multi line.
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- # [18:52] <@davidb> hub: ok thanks
- # [18:53] <@davidb> yeah i knew about the 'yet'
- # [18:55] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 758675 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
- # [18:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758675 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Speak link title
- # [19:00] <@davidb> eeejay: would it be premature for me to file an accessfu sonification bug?
- # [19:00] <@eeejay> davidb, sonification?
- # [19:01] <@davidb> eeejay: also live regions… do they work?
- # [19:01] <@davidb> (just want to file and forget)
- # [19:01] <@davidb> (before i forget)
- # [19:01] <@eeejay> go ahead
- # [19:01] <@eeejay> don't know what sonification is
- # [19:01] <@davidb> eeejay: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonification
- # [19:02] <@eeejay> davidb, in the android case, we would not do our own sonification. it is up to talkback
- # [19:02] <@davidb> oh
- # [19:02] <@eeejay> but if you want to put it there for b2g, go ahead
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- # [19:03] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 758678 filed by dbolter@mozilla.com.
- # [19:03] <@firebot> Bug 758678 was not found.
- # [19:03] <@davidb> eeejay: ok and what about live regions?
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- # [19:03] <@eeejay> davidb, should be filed for sure
- # [19:03] <@davidb> ok
- # [19:05] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 758679 filed by dbolter@mozilla.com.
- # [19:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758679 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Support live regions
- # [19:08] <@davidb> tbsaunde: are you getting any help from HR on finding a place in Toronto?
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- # [19:32] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Do we currently have any visual presentation of the virtual cursor position at all in AccessFu, or does the CSS currently not do anything?
- # [19:35] <@tbsaunde> davidb: they'll give me a couple days with a person to help with tht, and a couple day trip if I want to go up there to look round before moving
- # [19:35] <@davidb> tbsaunde: who said that? that sounds a bit… umm naive
- # [19:37] <@tbsaunde> davidb: someone from gms the company mozilla contracts moving out to
- # [19:37] <@tbsaunde> davidb: why?
- # [19:37] <@davidb> ok
- # [19:37] <@davidb> i guess looking around and deciding on some general things would work
- # [19:37] <@davidb> getting a signed lease probably takes more than a couple of days
- # [19:39] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yprobably true, they give me a month of temp housing too
- # [19:39] <@davidb> oh ok
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- # [20:09] <@MarcoZ> Awww cute: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Boz3yVBz1hM
- # [20:09] <@MarcoZ> So this thing actually became slightly more useful than it used to be. Really looking forward to playing with the Nexus when it gets here.
- # [20:10] <Bryen> Hey, question guys...
- # [20:10] <Bryen> Since this is a holiday weekend coming up in the U.S., will my Firefox browser still work or will it be turne off for the holidays?
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- # [20:13] <Bryen> he must have gone into a meeting to discuss how to stop my online antics here...
- # [20:13] <@MarcoZ> Bryen: It will still work, but over the holidays, will always direct you to YouPorn no matter where you try to go, esp work-related sites. :D
- # [20:14] <Bryen> MarcoZ, so no difference from my daily web surfing usage then
- # [20:15] <Bryen> MarcoZ, I kid you not with this story. One time I was visiting my Grandmother and on a Sunday morning I said "I'm going to check my email now" and she said "Are you sure the internet is open on Sundays?"
- # [20:16] <@MarcoZ> LOL!
- # [20:16] <@MarcoZ> OK, I am off for the long weekend. There's a holiday in most of Europe on Monday, too.
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- # [20:21] <@hub> oh yeah Monday
- # [20:21] <@hub> the end of the long May vacation
- # [20:21] <@hub> Bryen: what holiday?
- # [20:21] <@hub> Bryen: i'm not aware of any
- # [20:22] <@hub> June 24 if far away
- # [20:22] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled feedback?(trev.saunders@gma il.com) for attachment 627155 on bug 757504.
- # [20:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757504 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, decomtaminate GetColumnExtentAt/GetRowExtentAt on accessible tables
- # [20:22] <Bryen> hub, Memorial Weekend/Day in US
- # [20:23] <Bryen> Traditionally, this weekend is viewed as the kickoff to the start of Summer season. So on the weekend where we are supposed to memorialize the dead, we celebrate by getting drunk and partying our asses off.
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- # [20:44] <khuey> who is looking at mac a11y?
- # [20:44] <@davidb|mtg> khuey: hub
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- # [20:45] <@davidb> khuey: why?
- # [20:45] <@firebot> khuey@kylehuey.com changed the Component on bug 758713 from General to Disability Access APIs.
- # [20:45] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758713 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in nsIDocument::GetRootElement
- # [20:45] <@davidb> ah
- # [20:45] <khuey> :-)
- # [20:49] <@davidb> khuey: thanks. out of curiosity, do you know why a11y was instantiated for Chris?
- # [20:49] <@firebot> cpeterson@mozilla.com set status-firefox14 to unaffected on bug 758713.
- # [20:49] <@firebot> cpeterson@mozilla.com set status-firefox15 to affected on bug 758713.
- # [20:49] <khuey> davidb: nope
- # [20:53] <@tbsaunde> crashes we actually can reproduce \O/
- # [20:54] <@davidb> hehe
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- # [20:55] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com cancelled status-firefox14 on bug 758713.
- # [20:55] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com cancelled status-firefox15 on bug 758713.
- # [20:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758713 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in nsIDocument::GetRootElement
- # [21:00] <@firebot> cpeterson@mozilla.com set status-firefox14 to unaffected on bug 758713.
- # [21:00] <@firebot> cpeterson@mozilla.com set status-firefox15 to affected on bug 758713.
- # [21:05] <@davidb> surkov: are you actually awake?
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- # [22:47] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 626373 on bug 757739.
- # [22:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757739 cri, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, crash in nsAccUtils::MustPrune
- # [22:48] <hub_> mac tree broken
- # [22:48] <hub_> *sigh*
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- # [22:50] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 758770 filed by jruderman@gmail.com.
- # [22:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758770 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Crash in mozilla::a11y::RootAccessible::NativeRole
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- # [23:24] <Bryen> should we be worried that davidb|mobile has gone mobile?
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- # [23:26] <@firebot> jbecerra@mozilla.com changed the Component on bug 754651 from Untriaged to Keyboard: Navigation.
- # [23:26] <@firebot> jbecerra@mozilla.com changed the Product on bug 754651 from Firefox to Core.
- # [23:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=754651 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, magnification is activated randomly with most CTRL+<key>
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- # [23:39] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 758799 filed by hub@mozilla.com.
- # [23:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758799 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Mac] remove mExpired from mozAccessible
- # [23:40] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 758304 from RESOLVED to UNCONFIRMED.
- # [23:40] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com cleared the Resolution 'FIXED' from bug 758304.
- # [23:40] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758304 nor, --, mozilla15, hub, UNCO, [Mac] crash in nsAccUtils::IsTextInterfaceSupportCorrect()
- # [23:41] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 758304 from UNCONFIRMED to RESOLVED.
- # [23:41] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com set the Resolution field on bug 758304 to FIXED.
- # [23:41] <@hub> oh firefox, why do you reset the fields...
- # [23:43] <@firebot> anthony.s.hughes@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 756811 from Untriaged to Keyboard Navigation.
- # [23:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756811 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, ctrl++ doesn't work when keyboard layout is not English
- # Session Close: Sat May 26 00:00:00 2012
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