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  17. # [05:14] <@tbsaunde> surkov: how goes?
  18. # [05:15] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 759236 filed by bgirard@mozilla.com.
  19. # [05:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759236 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, nsAccTreeWalker timer is blocking the main thread
  20. # [05:35] <@surkov> tbsaunde: as usual I guess
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  22. # [06:07] <@firebot> ananuti@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 743654 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  23. # [06:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743654 nor, --, ---, nickyekaiqi, ASSI, replace nsIWinAccessNode on static_cast<nsAccessibleWrap*>
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  36. # [06:55] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 627729 on bug 757504.
  37. # [06:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757504 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, decomtaminate GetColumnExtentAt/GetRowExtentAt on accessible tables
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  45. # [08:00] <@tbsaunde> surkov: so, I'm spending most of tomorrow on a train, nything in particular I should work on?
  46. # [08:03] <@surkov> tbsaunde: nothing small enough comes to my mind, need to think
  47. # [08:05] <@tbsaunde> surkov: well, starting on something big would be fine too :)
  48. # [08:05] <@tbsaunde> assuming of course it doesn't need to be done really fast
  49. # [08:06] <@surkov> tbsaunde: if you can touch event skipping when there's no consumer then it'd be awesome
  50. # [08:07] <@surkov> I want to get into this but I don't get close enough to start
  51. # [08:09] <@surkov> tbsaunde: bug 644103
  52. # [08:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=644103 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [meta] smart events filtering depending on event consumer
  53. # [08:09] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, ok
  54. # [08:09] <@tbsaunde> I'll see
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  83. # [13:13] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted feedback for attachment 627706 on bug 754165.
  84. # [13:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=754165 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, fire document load events on iframes too
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  88. # [14:02] <capella> surkov: would it be alright for me to de-ns-ify nsCaretAccessible next?
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  94. # [14:28] <@surkov> capella: perhaps that's useless since nsCaretAccessible should go away
  95. # [14:28] <@surkov> at least the name
  96. # [14:28] <@surkov> since it's not an accessible
  97. # [14:32] <capella> yah - i was going to tie it into Bug 678477 - change ownership of nsCaretAccessible somehow
  98. # [14:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678477 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, change ownership of nsCaretAccessible
  99. # [14:35] <@surkov> capella: cool
  100. # [14:36] <@surkov> capella: if you want to densify you can do nsHyperTextAcc (move it to general)
  101. # [14:40] <capella> surkov: ok - I see, move from /html to /generic and rename all / wraps etc, like we've been doing
  102. # [14:42] <capella> once trevs nsAccessible change hits central, I've got two bugs to modify, re-test etc. then push to try and land into inbound
  103. # [14:42] <capella> after that I'll do the nsHyperTextAcc
  104. # [14:43] <capella> (bug757504 and bug740766 if you're keeping track)
  105. # [14:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757504 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, decomtaminate GetColumnExtentAt/GetRowExtentAt on accessible tables
  106. # [14:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740766 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, dexpcom nsAccessible::GroupPosition
  107. # [14:44] <@surkov> capella: they are on central already
  108. # [14:45] <capella> Thanks ! I checked an hour or two back but I see them now
  109. # [14:52] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 759305 filed by markcapella@twcny.rr.com.
  110. # [14:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759305 nor, --, mozilla15, nobody, NEW, De-ns-ify nsHyperTextAcc
  111. # [14:52] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Status on bug 759305 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  112. # [14:55] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 759307 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  113. # [14:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759307 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, rename nsHTMLImageAccessible to ImageAccessible
  114. # [14:57] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 759309 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  115. # [14:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759309 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, de-ns-ify nsHTMLCanvasAccessible
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  117. # [15:04] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 759310 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  118. # [15:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759310 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, de-ns-ify nsHTMLTextAccessible file classes
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  121. # [15:29] <@davidb> it is a sticky day in toronto
  122. # [15:30] <capella> its a beautiful day in the neighborhood :D
  123. # [15:30] <@MarcoZ> Hi davidb! It's also strange weather in Hamburg. After a strain of really sunny and warm weather, the temperature dropped, but the air is heavy and strong winds are blowing.
  124. # [15:30] <capella> hi davidb
  125. # [15:30] <Infinity> its the stickiest day ever in Vijaywada India.....davidb: If you were here you would find toronto to be heaven!
  126. # [15:31] <Infinity> Its 45 degree Celsius here and bloody humid!...now you know what I am talkin about :'(
  127. # [15:32] <@davidb> Infinity: wow
  128. # [15:32] <@davidb> i have NOTHING to complain about
  129. # [15:32] <@davidb> A long time ago I was in Mexico in August… it was similar
  130. # [15:34] <Infinity> But what you wouldn't have had is a power cut for 3hours a day...during the day!
  131. # [15:34] <Infinity> I am going mad..feel like pulling my hair off and doing nothing else davidb
  132. # [15:34] <Infinity> capella: hi!
  133. # [15:35] <capella> hi infinity where ya been?
  134. # [15:35] <@davidb> oh btw hi capella and everyone
  135. # [15:35] <Infinity> had been away for the weekend and yesterday capella - Lamb of God concert at Banaglore :)
  136. # [15:36] <Infinity> Now back home.... :/
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  138. # [15:36] <Infinity> capella: how you been? :)
  139. # [15:37] <capella> oh good good ... squishing bug patchs
  140. # [15:38] <capella> de-ns-ifying the world
  141. # [15:39] <capella> if someone moved your cheese it was probably me
  142. # [15:41] <@MarcoZ> Heh
  143. # [15:41] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I managed to get Ice Cream Sandwich working on the Samsung Galaxy Tab. Or rather, my girlfriend did. Including TalkBack and Explore By Touch and such.
  144. # [15:41] <@davidb> excellent
  145. # [15:42] <@MarcoZ> davidb: And the Galaxy Nexus should be shipped to me any day now.
  146. # [15:42] <@davidb> i saw the tweets over the weekend
  147. # [15:42] <@davidb> cool
  148. # [15:42] <@MarcoZ> Yeah. Man this was a hard nut to crack.
  149. # [15:44] <@davidb> MarcoZ: I'm going to send a note about the meeting this week
  150. # [15:44] <Infinity> capella moved my cheese... :P
  151. # [15:45] <@MarcoZ> davidb: OK!
  152. # [15:47] <Infinity> MarcoZ: how is the Tab?
  153. # [15:47] <Infinity> I actually haven't heard much about it here....
  154. # [15:47] <Infinity> do you think it is worth more than the iPad?
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  157. # [15:57] <@MarcoZ> Infinity: To be completely honest? HNot in ten years. The Talkback explore by touch model is shaky. You have to tap exactly where you want something activated. It has no sequential exploration method, and it lacks a lot of other features like simple text editing control.
  158. # [15:57] <@MarcoZ> All of this works perfectly in iOS, and has for the last three years. If I didn't need it for work, I wouldn't buy an Android tablet or Android smartphone.
  159. # [15:58] <@MarcoZ> Infinity: It is a lot better in Ice Cream Sandwich than it was in previous versions, in that it has the first touch screen support finally, but it still is way behind iOS in a lot of ways.
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  162. # [16:04] <capella> lol
  163. # [16:04] <@MarcoZ> Hahah!
  164. # [16:04] <capella> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToAffkDGvPY
  165. # [16:04] <capella> i cant work under these conditions
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  170. # [16:27] <Infinity> davidb: interesting topic for #accessibilty! :P
  171. # [16:27] <@davidb> :)
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  180. # [17:13] <hatman> is there a Preference method to set a large text size for composing, while the actual (sent email) text is 'normal'?
  181. # [17:18] <@davidb> surkov: http://bit.ly/KE62hU
  182. # [17:20] <@davidb> hatman: i'd ask in #thunderbird
  183. # [17:20] <@MarcoZ> hatman: I don't know of any.
  184. # [17:20] <@MarcoZ> hatman: What davidb said.
  185. # [17:21] <hatman> well, i just did and they ( i think Usul) referred me to accessibility and MarcoZ as perhaps having a solution.
  186. # [17:22] <@davidb> surkov: it would be cool if you commented on his blog in russian :)
  187. # [17:22] <@surkov> why?
  188. # [17:22] <hatman> is this feature possible w/o a huge effort or regression test?
  189. # [17:23] <@davidb> surkov: not sure… i just think it would be. but only if you are so inspried.
  190. # [17:23] <@davidb> inspired.
  191. # [17:23] <@davidb> hatman: dunno. i sort of think zoom should be implemented in tbird
  192. # [17:23] <hatman> i'm rather new to these forums
  193. # [17:23] <@davidb> but thunderbird is under-resourced
  194. # [17:23] <@davidb> mainly because thunderbird isn't critical to mozilla's mission
  195. # [17:24] <hatman> i'm sure as i've read it's all volunteer!
  196. # [17:24] <hatman> not critical?
  197. # [17:24] <@davidb> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/mission/
  198. # [17:25] <@davidb> hatman: there are different opinions. mine happens to be that protecting the web and users might not require us to focus on thunderbird.
  199. # [17:25] <@davidb> i'd like to see us build a web based tbird
  200. # [17:25] <hatman> TBird is not going to go away is it?
  201. # [17:25] <@davidb> no
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  203. # [17:26] <@davidb> i'm a user
  204. # [17:26] <@davidb> and i love that it is one of the most accessible clients
  205. # [17:26] <@davidb> but we need to move it more into the web at some point soon
  206. # [17:26] <@davidb> IMO
  207. # [17:26] <@davidb> especially given b2g
  208. # [17:26] <hatman> just some bacground: I'm a UI designer and UX researcher and would like to help improve TBird
  209. # [17:26] <@davidb> hatman: excellent
  210. # [17:27] <@davidb> hatman: i'd like to introduce you to some people: bwinton and mconley (not in this channel)
  211. # [17:27] <@davidb> they are employed to do front-end thunderbird work
  212. # [17:27] <@davidb> you'll find them in other channels
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  214. # [17:27] <hatman> and i think accessibility improvements would be good; but understand the funding/charter pinches
  215. # [17:28] <@davidb> yeah
  216. # [17:28] <hatman> ok how do i contact them?
  217. # [17:29] <@davidb> hatman: i think they are in #thunderbird
  218. # [17:29] <hatman> btw, I hope your AC is working down their in AZ
  219. # [17:29] <hatman> there
  220. # [17:29] <@davidb> you can type there nick like "mconley: hi i'd like to volunteer"
  221. # [17:29] <@davidb> there/their
  222. # [17:30] <@davidb> I'm in Toronto :)
  223. # [17:30] <hatman> ha!
  224. # [17:30] <hatman> Oh, the Whois showed Phoenix
  225. # [17:30] * @davidb shrugs
  226. # [17:30] <@davidb> we have machinery in phoenix
  227. # [17:30] <@davidb> (mozilla)
  228. # [17:31] <hatman> ah ok
  229. # [17:31] <hatman> btw, my previous random name was amphibulus which i preferred to hatman
  230. # [17:31] <hatman> ok let me try to reach those folks now
  231. # [17:31] <@davidb> a rose by any other name...
  232. # [17:31] <@davidb> ok good luck
  233. # [17:32] <hatman> ha; thx
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  236. # [17:38] <capella> canuk
  237. # [17:38] <capella> :D
  238. # [17:39] <@davidb> heheh
  239. # [17:39] <capella> I had a cyber girlfriend in alberta ... oil fields type
  240. # [17:40] <capella> taught me about perogies
  241. # [17:41] <capella> my familys austrian ... i taught her canederly and gnochie
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  245. # [17:44] <@hub> capella: it is spelled canuck
  246. # [17:44] <capella> my apologies!
  247. # [17:46] <capella> likes canucks, but they look funny on SouthPark :P
  248. # [17:46] <@hub> if you configure thunderbird to send mail in plan text (not HTML), whatever font you set in the editor will be only for you
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  250. # [18:07] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Hi!
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  252. # [18:15] <@MarcoZ> This getting stuck on the graphic is really not nice! *g* bug 758884
  253. # [18:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758884 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Regression: virtual cursor gets stuck on banner graphic of Marco's blog
  254. # [18:20] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, yo!
  255. # [18:28] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, i'm on top of it. i spent the weekend rebuilding my work machine
  256. # [18:30] <@davidb> hub: that's a good pt
  257. # [18:31] <@davidb> i'm gonna install updates (reboot)
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  261. # [18:48] <@davidb> hub: does this look reasonable? https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/2012-05-29#Accessibility
  262. # [18:48] <@davidb> surkov, etc ^
  263. # [18:49] <@surkov> davidb: makes sense for aurora/beta/release
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  265. # [18:49] <@davidb> i'd agree
  266. # [18:49] <@surkov> but?
  267. # [18:50] <@davidb> i'll change that. no but.
  268. # [18:50] <@davidb> done
  269. # [18:50] <@surkov> ok
  270. # [18:50] <@davidb> thanks
  271. # [18:50] <@surkov> yw
  272. # [18:51] <@davidb> BenWa is going to be blogging about a cool profiling tool built for FF.
  273. # [18:51] <@davidb> It is essentially shark for all platforms :)
  274. # [18:53] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Status on bug 758884 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  275. # [18:53] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758884 maj, --, ---, eitan, ASSI, [AccessFu] Regression: virtual cursor gets stuck on banner graphic of Marco's blog
  276. # [18:58] <capella> can contributers dial into dev-platform meetings or is it a moco thing? ie: memshrink ?
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  278. # [19:00] <@MarcoZ> capella: It's announced on wiki.mozilla.org, dial-in info and all, so it's completely open.
  279. # [19:01] <capella> cool ... might learn stuff !
  280. # [19:01] <@MarcoZ> err, and on the newsgroup/mailing list mozilla.dev.planning.
  281. # [19:01] <capella> yah - mailing list is where i saw it
  282. # [19:02] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Yes this sounds good for me, too! I was hoping, but not expecting to be able to simply keep a11y turned on for the 15 release. :(
  283. # [19:02] <@davidb> yeah me too
  284. # [19:02] <@davidb> having it on in trunk is a step forward at least
  285. # [19:03] <@davidb> and we can attack the perf issues
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  287. # [19:03] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Yes we can! :D
  288. # [19:04] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: So what does this error message mean? Why does the parent sometimes fail? Did you walk up too far from the graphic?
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  291. # [19:05] <@davidb> http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.platform/browse_thread/thread/8ce925c1cec0742f#
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  294. # [19:22] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 759105 from --- to mozilla15.
  295. # [19:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759105 nor, --, mozilla15, surkov.alexander, ASSI, stop console spamming by MSAA events
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  297. # [19:27] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 759033 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  298. # [19:27] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 759033 to FIXED.
  299. # [19:27] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 759033 from --- to mozilla15.
  300. # [19:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759033 nor, --, mozilla15, trev.saunders, RESO FIXED, densify nsAccessible
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  306. # [19:51] * @MarcoZ is calling it a night. See you tomorrow!
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  308. # [19:56] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 757739 from --- to mozilla15.
  309. # [19:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757739 cri, --, mozilla15, surkov.alexander, ASSI, crash in nsAccUtils::MustPrune
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  323. # [20:12] <Infinity> I want to know if *aText is an out parameter in http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/accessible/src/msaa/CAccessibleText.cpp#516
  324. # [20:12] <davidb> merge day is monday
  325. # [20:13] <Infinity> and if I should initialize it to NULL as required for Bug 429990
  326. # [20:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=429990 nor, --, ---, junky.argonaut, NEW, check in/out arguments on NULL in MSAA/IA2 methods
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  329. # [20:17] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 759412 filed by hub@mozilla.com.
  330. # [20:17] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759412 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Mac] expire should make sure that the parent no longer reference
  331. # [20:18] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 758713 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  332. # [20:18] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com set the Resolution field on bug 758713 to FIXED.
  333. # [20:18] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 758713 from --- to mozilla15.
  334. # [20:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758713 cri, --, mozilla15, hub, RESO FIXED, crash in nsIDocument::GetRootElement
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  338. # [20:31] <@firebot> I've never seen a 'rjesup', sorry.
  339. # [20:32] <davidb> !seen randell
  340. # [20:32] <@firebot> I've never seen a 'randell', sorry.
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  342. # [20:33] <davidb> !seen jesup
  343. # [20:33] <@firebot> jesup was last seen 43 seconds ago, saying 'myk: (et al) the way echo normally works, everyone else except the person causing it can hear it' in #planning.
  344. # [20:36] <hub> *sigh* mac build is broken again
  345. # [20:36] <hub> davidb: you can kick george butt for me
  346. # [20:43] * eeejay sets mode: +o davidb
  347. # [20:43] * eeejay sets mode: +o hub
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  349. # [20:46] <@davidb> george wright?
  350. # [20:47] <@davidb> i've been waiting for an excuse
  351. # [20:58] <@hub> yeah
  352. # [20:58] <@hub> he broke the Mac build
  353. # [20:58] <@hub> btw renaming classes and file is awesome for the overhead
  354. # [20:58] <@hub> can't we wait to have a real DVCS before doing so?
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  357. # [21:04] <@davidb> hub: did you get bit rotted by the nsAccessible rename?
  358. # [21:09] <@hub> if only
  359. # [21:09] <@hub> I already had to resolve the conflicts
  360. # [21:09] <@hub> because Mercurial still have no clue
  361. # [21:19] <@davidb> eeejay: did you add code to speak the acc description when the name is empty?
  362. # [21:19] <@eeejay> davidb, nope
  363. # [21:19] <@davidb> eeejay: is that a plan?
  364. # [21:19] <@tbsaunde> hub: come of to the git side, you know you want to ;)
  365. # [21:19] <@davidb> eeejay: wondering about comment 6
  366. # [21:20] <@eeejay> davidb, i don't know if it makes sense for all roles. i was thinking of that for links
  367. # [21:20] <@davidb> hmm ok
  368. # [21:20] <@eeejay> davidb, bug 758675
  369. # [21:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758675 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Speak link title
  370. # [21:21] <@davidb> ok
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  373. # [21:23] <@davidb> eeejay: so you used to force the name… now you don't… does this break label relationships?
  374. # [21:24] <@eeejay> good question
  375. # [21:24] <@davidb> (forcename in genforobject)
  376. # [21:24] <@davidb> i'll ask in the bug then
  377. # [21:25] <@eeejay> davidb, no, it should not break it
  378. # [21:26] <@davidb> oh you use acc name later i guess?
  379. # [21:26] <@eeejay> davidb, that is why i added INCLUDE_NAME in the verbosity map for form controls
  380. # [21:26] <@davidb> only form controls?
  381. # [21:26] * @davidb ponders
  382. # [21:27] <@eeejay> davidb, the verbosity map basically adds INCLUDE_NAME for all accessible types that don't have a name based on their concatinated subtree
  383. # [21:27] <@davidb> ok
  384. # [21:27] <@eeejay> davidb, because in that case the utterence would be redundant
  385. # [21:27] <@davidb> i see
  386. # [21:28] <@eeejay> davidb, so say, a link's name is typically its childrens' text. we don't want to speak its name becasue we will traverse and utter the children anyway
  387. # [21:28] <@davidb> do you need to add something like INCLUDE_FOO_IF_EMPTY
  388. # [21:28] <@davidb> ?
  389. # [21:28] <@eeejay> davidb, but most for controls' names are not subtree defined, so they need to have INCLUDE_NAME
  390. # [21:28] * @davidb nods
  391. # [21:28] <@davidb> clarity is happening
  392. # [21:29] <@eeejay> davidb, when would INCLUDE_FOO_IF_EMPTY be used?
  393. # [21:29] <@davidb> 'iink' ?
  394. # [21:29] <@davidb> actually you have include desc for link
  395. # [21:30] <@davidb> doesn't that capture title?
  396. # [21:30] <@eeejay> davidb, yep
  397. # [21:31] <@eeejay> davidb, there might be some roles where it makes sense to do name || desc, but i don't think it should be default
  398. # [21:32] <@davidb> ok
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  401. # [21:41] <@davidb> eeejay: will this._subtreePreOrder ever get stale?
  402. # [21:42] <@eeejay> davidb, not for the lifecycle of the presenter context
  403. # [21:42] <@eeejay> but good q
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  405. # [21:42] <@eeejay> davidb, nothing to gaurentee it
  406. # [21:42] <@davidb> eeejay: what is the life cycle of the presenter context?
  407. # [21:43] <@eeejay> davidb, it is in the local scope of event handers, so just cycles through presenters with the same context object. and no presenter keeps a reference to it
  408. # [21:45] <@davidb> ok
  409. # [21:45] <@davidb> that's fine then
  410. # [21:49] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 626995 on bug 753986.
  411. # [21:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=753986 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Read virtual cursor position's subtree
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  414. # [21:57] <@eeejay> davidb, where do you see a second arg in genForObject()?
  415. # [21:57] <@davidb> eeejay: http://dxr.lanedo.com/mozilla-central/accessible/src/jsat/UtteranceGenerator.jsm.html#l71
  416. # [21:58] <@eeejay> davidb, the patch gets rid of it
  417. # [21:58] <@davidb> doh
  418. # [21:58] <@davidb> I forgot to scroll down again!
  419. # [21:59] <@eeejay> i thought i missed removing it somewhere, i guess not?
  420. # [21:59] * @eeejay double cheked
  421. # [21:59] <@davidb> eeejay: no, you are correct
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  429. # [22:28] <@davidb> aaron is at AI Squared.. that's nice.
  430. # [22:28] <@davidb> eeejay: ^
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  432. # [22:35] <@hub> what is AI Squared?
  433. # [22:38] <@davidb> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=AI+Squared&l=1
  434. # [22:38] <@davidb> sorry - had to
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  436. # [22:39] <@eeejay> davidb, you have a url for everything :)
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  438. # [22:39] <@jackass> hi aaronlev_
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  440. # [22:41] <@davidb> ok i gotta relocate
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  443. # [22:42] <@hub> what did you do to my mouse cursor?
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  445. # [22:42] <@hub> :-)
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  447. # [22:43] <@hub> eeejay: I have an answer for everything, even though someone it can just be extending the middle finger ;-)
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  449. # [22:44] <@eeejay> hub, i can see when that is useful :)
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  452. # [22:54] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Target Milestone on bug 753986 from --- to mozilla15.
  453. # [22:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=753986 nor, --, mozilla15, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] Read virtual cursor position's subtree
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  465. # Session Close: Wed May 30 00:00:00 2012

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