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  1. # Session Start: Thu May 31 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  6. # [00:16] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 628497 on bug 750612.
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  8. # [00:16] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750612 maj, --, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] Too much is exposed to VoiceOver that is actually not currently visible/interactable
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  11. # [00:19] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Status on bug 759310 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  12. # [00:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759310 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, de-ns-ify nsHTMLTextAccessible file classes
  13. # [00:23] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Target Milestone on bug 758884 from --- to mozilla15.
  14. # [00:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758884 maj, --, mozilla15, eitan, ASSI, [AccessFu] Regression: virtual cursor gets stuck on banner graphic of Marco's blog
  15. # [00:32] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 628509 on bug 759618.
  16. # [00:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759618 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Introduce pivot movePreviousFrom and moveNextFrom.
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  21. # [01:38] <hub> capella: bug 740766, I added a comment because your last patch for it cause some warnings
  22. # [01:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740766 nor, --, mozilla15, markcapella, RESO FIXED, dexpcom nsAccessible::GroupPosition
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  31. # [02:24] <capella> hub: still there?
  32. # [02:27] <hub> capella: still
  33. # [02:28] <capella> ah! was looking for the warnings you refeered to
  34. # [02:28] <hub> /** twice
  35. # [02:28] <hub> here I build with clang and it does not like it
  36. # [02:28] <hub> I commented in the bug exactly where it is
  37. # [02:29] <capella> so you got the warning building on you local machine vs what went it? or was there something in my inbound push i missed
  38. # [02:29] <hub> it is in your push
  39. # [02:30] <capella> can you point me too it
  40. # [02:30] <capella> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=53656adc5e7a
  41. # [02:30] <capella> im being obtuse
  42. # [02:31] <hub> Try build won't show it.
  43. # [02:31] <hub> I pointed it in the bugzilla directly
  44. # [02:31] <hub> Try build won't because we still don't build with clang
  45. # [02:31] <hub> there
  46. # [02:31] <hub> which has been causing me a lot of grief
  47. # [02:31] <capella> oh! thats what i was asking about your local build ...
  48. # [02:32] <capella> i understand clang is pretty damn good ... whats the nature of the warning, or do you know how to resolve it ?
  49. # [02:32] <hub> *sigh*
  50. # [02:33] <hub> yeah resolving it is easy
  51. # [02:33] <hub> again
  52. # [02:33] <hub> there are two /** in a row
  53. # [02:33] <hub> remove one of them
  54. # [02:33] <@davidb> thankfully clang gives nice errors and warnings
  55. # [02:33] <hub> it got missed at nit' time
  56. # [02:33] <hub> davidb: when we use it.
  57. # [02:33] <capella> oh id didnt get that previous !
  58. # [02:33] <@davidb> hub: exactly
  59. # [02:34] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Status on bug 757383 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  60. # [02:34] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org set the Resolution field on bug 757383 to FIXED.
  61. # [02:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757383 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Indicate form field states such as required or invalid
  62. # [02:36] <capella> hub: ok - ive got a patch going in tonight ... ill add
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  64. # [02:41] <Shnish> For mochitests, how do you test pass or fail? (we are throwing EVENT_ALERT and EVENT_MENUPOPUP_START)
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  68. # [02:59] <@davidb> hi surkov
  69. # [02:59] <@surkov> hi, davidb
  70. # [03:01] <@davidb> i guess i can say it here
  71. # [03:01] <@davidb> Aaron works for AI Squared now :)
  72. # [03:02] <@surkov> what he is doing?
  73. # [03:02] <@davidb> actually that part is confidential for now and he hasn't told me
  74. # [03:03] <@davidb> i know he recently had a meeting with government
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  80. # [03:18] <@davidb> OK I really gotta go afk
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  82. # [03:23] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 628509 on bug 759618.
  83. # [03:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759618 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Introduce pivot movePreviousFrom and moveNextFrom.
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  85. # [03:48] <Jenny> for the mochitests, how do you test it to pass or fail if you are testing ARIA Alerts?
  86. # [03:49] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled review?(surkov.alexander@gm ail.com) for attachment 628497 on bug 750612.
  87. # [03:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750612 maj, --, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] Too much is exposed to VoiceOver that is actually not currently visible/interactable
  88. # [03:50] <@surkov> Jenny: you need to look through mochitest what test we have for ARIA alers
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  90. # [03:55] <Jenny> capella: going off of surkovs answer and my previous question, how would you test if it passes or not?
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  94. # [03:57] <capella> jenny: i havent done anything involving event processing ... my first step would be to look at the existing tests in the even folder
  95. # [03:58] <capella> event
  96. # [03:59] <capella> test_aria_alert.html?
  97. # [03:59] <capella> just guessing ...
  98. # [03:59] <Jenny> capella: yes im looking into that right now, thank you
  99. # [04:00] <capella> good luck
  100. # [04:08] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Target Milestone on bug 759618 from --- to mozilla15.
  101. # [04:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759618 nor, --, mozilla15, eitan, NEW, Introduce pivot movePreviousFrom and moveNextFrom.
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  106. # [04:41] <Jenny> tbsaunde: can we submit a patch for this bug 682811 without making mochitests for it? since it wasnt specified in the bug initially
  107. # [04:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682811 nor, --, ---, Jennyherrera.19, NEW, menupopup_start/menupopup_end/alert events should be fired for accessibles inside the shown/hide sub
  108. # [04:52] <@tbsaunde> Jenny: depends if tests are needed, if there isn't already tests you should add some
  109. # [04:52] <@tbsaunde> but you can have someone look at the patch even if it isn't complete
  110. # [04:57] <@firebot> djgoodrich@csupomona.edu requested feedback from surkov.alexander@ gmail.com for attachment 628574 on bug 682811.
  111. # [04:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682811 nor, --, ---, Jennyherrera.19, NEW, menupopup_start/menupopup_end/alert events should be fired for accessibles inside the shown/hide sub
  112. # [04:58] <Jenny> tbsaunde: ok thank you
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  123. # [06:52] <@tbsaunde> surkov: didn't you add asserts we don't cause frame tree changes while updating the tree a while ago?
  124. # [06:52] <@surkov> tbsaunde: iirc there were something
  125. # [06:53] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok, I'm thinking about removing some use of weak frames in GetOrCreateAccessible()
  126. # [06:53] <@surkov> ok
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  130. # [07:27] <Shnish> surkov: for bug 682811 I do not understand how to write the tests (as I haven't learned enough of javascript to completely understand how to make the test pass / fail)
  131. # [07:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682811 nor, --, ---, Jennyherrera.19, NEW, menupopup_start/menupopup_end/alert events should be fired for accessibles inside the shown/hide sub
  132. # [07:30] <Shnish> is there any way I can keep the patch there and have someone else write up the tests for it?
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  141. # [08:02] <Shnish> tbsaunde: Do you think it is possible for me and Jenny to pass on the mochitests to someone else as we dont know javascript and have no clue about mochi tests (bug 682811 for reference)
  142. # [08:02] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682811 nor, --, ---, Jennyherrera.19, NEW, menupopup_start/menupopup_end/alert events should be fired for accessibles inside the shown/hide sub
  143. # [08:03] <Shnish> we have asked surkov but he hasn't responded
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  147. # [08:32] <capella> shnish: ask that question in the bug ... wait, they'll reply
  148. # [08:32] <Shnish> ok
  149. # [08:35] <capella> shnish: did you see surkovs comment 18? he tells you where tests are and new ones can be added
  150. # [08:35] <capella> for this bug
  151. # [08:36] <capella> i guess javascript is the problem?
  152. # [08:36] <Shnish> yes, but in truth I personally am looking at them and am confused on how to get a test to pass or fail for that matter
  153. # [08:36] <Shnish> yes.. personally I dont know javascript
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  156. # [08:44] <capella> test_aria_menu.html looks like thee one to play with ... have you tried running it with your changes in place?
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  159. # [08:46] <capella> (you've got a feedback+ from tbsaunde so you know you're on the right track...)
  160. # [08:49] <capella> shnish: surkov in comment 25 says the same thing i think ... if you run that test now it and it fails (where it used to pass) then
  161. # [08:49] <capella> your change "caught its attention" ... i think if your change works you'll have to change the test to recognize that
  162. # [08:49] <Shnish> hmm
  163. # [08:50] <capella> run the test break it find out why :P
  164. # [08:51] <Shnish> lol.. ok, I guess I can try that.
  165. # [08:51] <Shnish> capella: thanks for the help.. it gets annoying getting ignored sometimes
  166. # [08:52] <Jenny> capella: would you know how to run a single test?
  167. # [08:52] <capella> yah but running the whole think will work also
  168. # [08:52] <capella> thing
  169. # [08:53] <Jenny> ok thanks
  170. # [08:53] <capella> you know how to run the test suite?
  171. # [08:54] <Jenny> i know how to run all the tests which takes forever
  172. # [08:55] <capella> that sounds like you're running the browser suite ... takes like hour+ ... a11y test suite takes ~12 mins
  173. # [08:55] <Jenny> yeah i think so, how can i do the a11y test suite only?
  174. # [08:57] <capella> from the bash shell i execute (where obj/ is my obj dir - your's might be named diff)
  175. # [08:57] <capella> cd obj/_tests/testing/mochitest
  176. # [08:57] <capella> python runtests.py --a11y
  177. # [08:57] <capella> im on a win machine
  178. # [08:58] <Jenny> oh ok thanks i wasnt specifying the a11y
  179. # [08:58] <capella> other clues here if thats not right for your environment
  180. # [08:58] <capella> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Mochitest
  181. # [08:58] <Jenny> thank you very much
  182. # [08:59] <capella> see - who says you're getting ignored??
  183. # [08:59] <capella> B)
  184. # [09:00] <Shnish> capella: lol, out of everyone we talk to here, you are the one who is the most "newb" friendly and help out the most
  185. # [09:01] <capella> its cause ive fairly newb myself - 5 months or so
  186. # [09:01] <Shnish> are you a hired dev or just volunteer help?
  187. # [09:02] <capella> contributor ... hopes for hire at some point ... earning creds for the time being
  188. # [09:03] <Shnish> ahh ok.. me and jenny have been working on these 2 bugs for quite a while.. but we have schooling to do and she has work on top of it besides this (this is part of a project for one clasS)
  189. # [09:04] <capella> stay with it ... i really think you're close ... tbsaunde gave you a feedback+ and he's tough :)
  190. # [09:04] <Shnish> haha, thats good to know :D
  191. # [09:06] <Shnish> capella: anyway, thanks for all the help. It is about time for me to go to sleep now.. got class in the morning.
  192. # [09:06] <capella> to sleep perchance to dream - c ya :P
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  197. # [09:44] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Hi, you there? Did you see my comment in bug 759670 ? The number of random failures scares the hell out of me!
  198. # [09:44] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759670 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Intermittent accessible/events/test_docload.xul | Test timed out.
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  205. # [10:45] <@surkov> MarcoZ: I think I missed your comment
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  207. # [10:52] <@firebot> scoobidiver@netcourrier.com set status-firefox15 to fixed on bug 758713.
  208. # [10:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758713 cri, --, mozilla15, hub, RESO FIXED, crash in nsIDocument::GetRootElement
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  210. # [11:02] <@MarcoZ> surkov: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759670#c5
  211. # [11:02] <@firebot> Bug 759670 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Intermittent accessible/events/test_docload.xul | Test timed out.
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  216. # [11:14] <capella> "The comment characters (/*, */, and //) have no special meaning within a character constant, string literal, or comment."
  217. # [11:14] <capella> wonder why clang burps?
  218. # [11:24] <@MarcoZ> capella: Forgot the "" ? ;)
  219. # [11:25] <capella> not sure ... s/b able to do /* /* /* /* */ and be okay .. my compiler lets me .. c99 specs says the above
  220. # [11:26] <capella> asin: comment characters within a comment are ok...
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  224. # [12:30] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 760038 filed by scoobidiver@netcourrier.com.
  225. # [12:30] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760038 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in NotificationController::WillRefresh
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  227. # [13:32] <@MarcoZ> surkov: We gotta stop that bleeding. This is almost a perma orange in bug 759670, over 60 failures since the bug was filed a little more than 24 hours ago.
  228. # [13:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759670 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Intermittent accessible/events/test_docload.xul | Test timed out.
  229. # [13:32] <@surkov> agree
  230. # [13:34] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Do you agree with my suspicion?
  231. # [13:35] <@surkov> it's not suspicion
  232. # [13:38] <@MarcoZ> surkov: What is it then? Was I right with my assessment?
  233. # [13:39] <@surkov> MarcoZ: sure
  234. # [13:39] <@surkov> it's a fact
  235. # [13:43] <@MarcoZ> surkov: OK. Do you have an idea for a fix? If not, I'd suggest to back out bug 754165 immediately.
  236. # [13:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=754165 nor, --, mozilla15, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, fire document load events on iframes too
  237. # [13:43] <@surkov> MarcoZ: I answered you in bug
  238. # [13:44] <@surkov> MarcoZ: I'll enable logging to be sure what happens
  239. # [13:44] <@MarcoZ> surkov: OK!
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  241. # [13:57] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 760064 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  242. # [13:57] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 628681 on bug 760064.
  243. # [13:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760064 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, don't include NotificationController.h into headers
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  257. # [15:02] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 759618 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  258. # [15:02] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 759618 to FIXED.
  259. # [15:02] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759618 nor, --, mozilla15, eitan, RESO FIXED, Introduce pivot movePreviousFrom and moveNextFrom.
  260. # [15:03] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 628690 on bug 758675.
  261. # [15:03] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 758675 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  262. # [15:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758675 nor, --, ---, marco.zehe, ASSI, [AccessFu] Speak link title
  263. # [15:06] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 758884 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  264. # [15:06] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 758884 to FIXED.
  265. # [15:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758884 maj, --, mozilla15, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Regression: virtual cursor gets stuck on banner graphic of Marco's blog
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  270. # [15:25] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 726283 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  271. # [15:26] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 726283 to FIXED.
  272. # [15:26] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 726283 from --- to mozilla15.
  273. # [15:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=726283 nor, --, mozilla15, jigneshhk1992, RESO FIXED, consider using NS_GetContentList() directly in nsHTMLRadioButtonAccessible::GetPositionAndSizeIntern
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  276. # [16:23] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 760099 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  277. # [16:23] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 628718 on bug 760099.
  278. # [16:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760099 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, add logging for events/test_docload.xul
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  288. # [17:29] <drexler> surkov: have you had time to take a peek at bug 445516?
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  291. # [17:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=445516 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, ASSI, Support auto-generated=true text attribute on list bullets
  292. # [17:29] <%bwinton> MarcoZ: Ping re: bug 739677
  293. # [17:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739677 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Instant messaging] not all buttons like "Accounts", "New contact" are keyboard accessible
  294. # [17:30] <@surkov> drexler: sorry, not yet, it's on my todo list (last time we have lot of crashes etc)
  295. # [17:30] <drexler> surkov: no problem. working on crash elsewhere myself
  296. # [17:31] <@surkov> ok
  297. # [17:32] <@surkov> tbsaunde: ping
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  300. # [17:34] <@MarcoZ> bwinton: Hi!
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  302. # [17:34] <@MarcoZ> bwinton: The important thing is to have some sort of keyboard access to those controls that don't have shortcut or menu equivalents.
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  304. # [17:35] <@MarcoZ> bwinton: For example, it is not really necessary to have focusable toolbar buttons for send, new message, or similar, since these have equivalent functionality in keyboard shortcuts (ctrl+Enter, ctrl+N etc.), and the menu system.
  305. # [17:35] <%bwinton> MarcoZ: Okay, that makes sense. So, for instance, the "Write" button is also available as Control-M, so it doesn't need to be tabbable.
  306. # [17:35] <@MarcoZ> Right.
  307. # [17:36] <%bwinton> So, would adding a "Chat" menu also work? Or menu items under other menus, where they made sense?
  308. # [17:36] <@MarcoZ> Yes.
  309. # [17:37] <@MarcoZ> Might even be faster than having to tab around the UI all the time.
  310. # [17:37] <%bwinton> Okay, cool. I don't know if you can even answer this questions, but are there any other buttons in Thunderbird you think we need to be able to tab to?
  311. # [17:38] <@tbsaunde> surkov: hi
  312. # [17:39] <@surkov> tbsaunde: ping about reviews?
  313. # [17:39] <@tbsaunde> surkov: plan to get some done today :)
  314. # [17:40] <@surkov> cool
  315. # [17:40] <@surkov> thx!
  316. # [17:40] <@MarcoZ> bwinton: There's this bug about the possibility to reorder the columns via the keyboard, you know the button next to the column headings in the main message list. That should probably have a menu equivalent somewhere. But I'm forgetting the bug number at the moment.
  317. # [17:40] <@surkov> tbsaunde: pls start from the oldest ones
  318. # [17:43] <@MarcoZ> surkov: I believe davidb was referring to bug 759875 and similar.
  319. # [17:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759875 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Accessible is de-parented yet remains in document cache and is not defunct
  320. # [17:43] <@MarcoZ> surkov: I mean in his comment to bug 760038.
  321. # [17:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760038 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in NotificationController::WillRefresh
  322. # [17:43] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok, as soon as I take a shower
  323. # [17:44] <@surkov> MarcoZ: not sure I see a relation
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  326. # [17:51] <@MarcoZ> surkov: If you don't think these are related, you may want to comment in bug 760038, because that#s what Davidb was asking.
  327. # [17:53] <@surkov> it would be sort of strange talk
  328. # [17:57] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 628763 on bug 760038.
  329. # [17:57] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 760038 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  330. # [17:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760038 cri, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, crash in NotificationController::WillRefresh
  331. # [18:03] <@MarcoZ> Oh yeah, inlining doesn't always seem to be good. :D
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  343. # [19:12] <@davidb|pto> what was that about inlining?
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  355. # [21:15] <@davidb> back in 30 mins
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  359. # [21:26] <davidb|mobile> http://a11ymemes.tumblr.com/post/23690714692/animated-firefox-says-uses-tabindex-and-fist
  360. # [21:28] <@hub> ahaha
  361. # [21:28] <@hub> davidb|mobile: as the memes accessible?
  362. # [21:28] <@hub> s/as/are/
  363. # [21:28] <@hub> they are
  364. # [21:28] <@hub> at least a caption
  365. # [21:43] <@davidb> yeah
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  367. # [21:50] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 628211 on bug 759641.
  368. # [21:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759641 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, small clean up of a11y logging
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  371. # [21:54] <@askalski> davidb, I tried Michael's solution (downgrading comtypes to 0.6.2) but it fails
  372. # [21:54] <@davidb> darn
  373. # [21:55] <@davidb> askalski: use the hammer i guess
  374. # [21:55] <@askalski> davidb, wrapper is the hammer
  375. # [21:55] <@davidb> yeah
  376. # [21:55] <@askalski> davidb, I will start tomorrow
  377. # [21:55] <@davidb> simple c/c++ program
  378. # [21:55] <@davidb> ok
  379. # [21:55] <@askalski> davidb, yeah, static casting integer to pointers :D
  380. # [21:56] <@askalski> davidb, this will be so much fun
  381. # [21:56] * @davidb raises one eyebrow
  382. # [21:57] <@askalski> davidb, I think I will upgrade my distro tonight
  383. # [21:57] <@askalski> davidb, but all setup is in /home
  384. # [21:57] <@askalski> davidb, so it will be very quick
  385. # [21:58] <@davidb> (back it up)
  386. # [21:58] <@askalski> davidb, aways a good idea :D
  387. # [21:59] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested feedback from dbolter@mozilla.c om for attachment 628866 on bug 759736.
  388. # [21:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759736 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Add VO-only mode for FF a11y on mac.
  389. # [22:00] <@hub> crap, I forgot a file
  390. # [22:01] <@askalski> davidb, I will remove a backup drive from laptop for the time of installation. the new one is long term support, so I hope it'll last long
  391. # [22:01] <@davidb> ok
  392. # [22:02] <@hub> askalski: longterm support and yet they ship development release
  393. # [22:02] <@hub> and barely support stuff
  394. # [22:02] <@askalski> hub, what do you mean?
  395. # [22:02] <@askalski> hub, I am thinking about doing that since I see some bugs in mine
  396. # [22:03] <@hub> that Ubuntu ship development release of software like AbiWord, NEVER update them
  397. # [22:03] <@hub> in a LTS
  398. # [22:03] <@askalski> hub, I use ppa for most stuff I use
  399. # [22:03] <@hub> then we have all the ubuntu lusers coming, whinning about bugs that have been fixed a long time ago
  400. # [22:03] <@askalski> hub, :D
  401. # [22:03] <@hub> askalski: I just use Fedora
  402. # [22:03] <@hub> the upgrade was the most seemless upgrade of a distro I have seen
  403. # [22:04] <@hub> this include MacOS
  404. # [22:04] <@askalski> hub, I have no time to learn new stuff now, got busy on my Uni, have stuff to do on MATS etc
  405. # [22:04] <@hub> so don't upgrade
  406. # [22:04] <@askalski> hub, yeah, consiering that
  407. # [22:05] <@askalski> hub, i've been postponing for last month
  408. # [22:05] <@askalski> hub, a week will not change much I guess
  409. # [22:06] <@askalski> hub, davidb, not upgrading this week :D
  410. # [22:06] <@hub> I postponed my upgrade thinking I need to locate a USB flash drive... until I realized it was not even needed
  411. # [22:06] <@askalski> hub, right, Fedora rules, got it. I will install it in vbox, play with it for several weeks and if I like it I will upgrade
  412. # [22:07] <@askalski> hub, anyway, is there an ppa equivalent in Fedora?
  413. # [22:07] <@hub> if only I knew what PPA means
  414. # [22:07] <@askalski> hub, it's very convenient to me
  415. # [22:08] <@hub> lunch time
  416. # [22:08] <@askalski> hub, ppa is something I download a software from, and it updates.
  417. # [22:08] <@askalski> hub, so you have a one, single mechanism for upgrading all the stuff
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  424. # [22:54] <@davidb> hub: are you going to update that patch (you said you forgot a file?)
  425. # [22:55] <@davidb> or was that about something else?
  426. # [22:56] <@davidb> (you are probably lunching)
  427. # [23:04] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com cancelled feedback?(dbolter@mozilla.c om) for attachment 628866 on bug 759736.
  428. # [23:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759736 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Add VO-only mode for FF a11y on mac.
  429. # [23:06] <@hub> davidb: in a minute
  430. # [23:06] <@hub> sorry
  431. # [23:06] <@davidb> np
  432. # [23:06] <@davidb> unfortunately i need to go afk for a few (hrs) - i'm holding the fort alone tonight
  433. # [23:07] <@hub> oh
  434. # [23:07] <@hub> ok
  435. # [23:07] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested feedback from dbolter@mozilla.c om for attachment 628890 on bug 759736.
  436. # [23:07] <@davidb> note tbsaunde reviewed the similar atk bug
  437. # [23:07] <@davidb> ok i'll try to get to it before your morning (but don't block on me)
  438. # [23:07] <@davidb> hub: does the patch work?
  439. # [23:07] <@hub> it does
  440. # [23:07] <@davidb> great
  441. # [23:09] <@davidb> hub: can you describe what the NeedCheckVoiceOver method is?
  442. # [23:09] <@davidb> i'm not sure i like the name
  443. # [23:10] <capella> dang ... i thought i was closer to 70 bugs
  444. # [23:10] <@davidb> oh i see
  445. # [23:10] <@davidb> capella: in total probably yeah
  446. # [23:10] <capella> 90 total counting out of a11y
  447. # [23:11] <capella> some very trivial
  448. # [23:11] <capella> but who's counting :)
  449. # [23:12] <capella> and no major damage inflicted ... credits to reviewers
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  451. # [23:18] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted feedback for attachment 628890 on bug 759736.
  452. # [23:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759736 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Add VO-only mode for FF a11y on mac.
  453. # [23:19] <@davidb> going afk
  454. # [23:21] <@hub> davidb: it does check if we need to check whether VoiceOver is active or not. Because the check is not fast
  455. # [23:22] <@hub> davidb: sorry. it set the flag for that
  456. # [23:22] <@hub> check with IsVoiceOverChecked
  457. # [23:32] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 628217 on bug 759645.
  458. # [23:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759645 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, enable extended logging for a11y tree and text changes
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