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  1. # Session Start: Mon Jun 04 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  10. # [04:14] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Target Milestone on bug 760451 from --- to mozilla15.
  11. # [04:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760451 nor, --, mozilla15, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] Support skip links
  12. # [04:37] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled review?(surkov.alexander@gm ail.com) for attachment 629536 on bug 758113.
  13. # [04:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758113 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, rm a bunch of nsIDOMNode stuff in nsHyperTextAccessible
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  16. # [05:03] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 629525 on bug 760463.
  17. # [05:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760463 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, de-ns-ify nsBaseWidgetAccessible
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  19. # [05:11] <@surkov> tbsaunde: hi
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  23. # [05:21] <@tbsaunde> surkov: hi
  24. # [05:21] <@surkov> tbsaunde: have a time for quick review?
  25. # [05:22] <@tbsaunde> surkov: sure
  26. # [05:23] <@surkov> ok, 'cool
  27. # [05:24] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 629684 on bug 759670.
  28. # [05:24] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 759670 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  29. # [05:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759670 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Intermittent accessible/events/test_docload.xul | Test timed out.
  30. # [05:35] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 629684 on bug 759670.
  31. # [05:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759670 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Intermittent accessible/events/test_docload.xul | Test timed out.
  32. # [05:38] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 629572 on bug 760755.
  33. # [05:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760755 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, de-ns-ify nsHTMLImageMapAccessible
  34. # [05:43] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 629587 on bug 760756.
  35. # [05:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760756 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, de-ns-ify nsHTMLLinkAccessible
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  38. # [06:04] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 629583 on bug 672514.
  39. # [06:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672514 nor, --, ---, oussamabadr, NEW, Smooth out nsIAccessible keyboard shortcuts methods
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  42. # [06:19] <@tbsaunde> surkov: plans to land that patch?
  43. # [06:19] <@surkov> tbsaunde: yes, I running try server buld
  44. # [06:19] <@surkov> d
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  50. # [06:41] <@MarcoZ> Good morning all!
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  53. # [06:59] <@tbsaunde> evening MarcoZ
  54. # [07:00] <@tbsaunde> surkov: anything else I should review tonight?
  55. # [07:00] <@surkov> tbsaunde: nope
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  58. # [07:46] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 759670 from --- to mozilla15.
  59. # [07:46] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759670 nor, --, mozilla15, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Intermittent accessible/events/test_docload.xul | Test timed out.
  60. # [07:48] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 756983 from --- to mozilla15.
  61. # [07:48] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted in-testsuite on bug 756983.
  62. # [07:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756983 nor, --, mozilla15, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Isolate focusable and unavailable states from State()
  63. # [07:53] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 761062 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  64. # [07:53] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761062 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, share the logic whether disabled menuitems are navigable with nsXULPopupManager::IsValidMenuItem()
  65. # [08:02] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 761064 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  66. # [08:02] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761064 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, mTreeView null check aren't necessary for XUL tree item/cell classes
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  68. # [08:13] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Hi! I didn't quite understand your explanation of what's happening with bug 759670 in comment #182.
  69. # [08:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759670 nor, --, mozilla15, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Intermittent accessible/events/test_docload.xul | Test timed out.
  70. # [08:21] <@surkov> MarcoZ: hi, questions?
  71. # [08:21] <@surkov> which part?
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  78. # [09:37] <@MarcoZ> surkov: I don't understand what's happening exactly. We receive a reorder event.... and?
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  80. # [09:48] <@surkov> MarcoZ: and I assume it's coalesced with event we wait for
  81. # [09:49] <@surkov> thus we don't receive desired event
  82. # [09:50] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Ah OK, and because this is an intermittent failure, the coalescing happens or doesn't happen, probably depending on timing?
  83. # [09:50] <@surkov> correct
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  85. # [12:00] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 761102 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  86. # [12:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761102 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, focus may be missed when ARIA active-descendant is changed on active composite widget
  87. # [12:01] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 629732 on bug 761102.
  88. # [12:01] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested feedback from dbolter@mozilla.c om for attachment 629732 on bug 761102.
  89. # [12:01] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 761102 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  90. # [12:03] <icaaq> MarcoZ: do you find it easier to navigate via ordered lists inside of nav-elements?
  91. # [12:09] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: Yes. Esp if there are links grouped together around different topics, putting them in separate ordered lists helps with structure a lot.
  92. # [12:11] <icaaq> MarcoZ: Thanks, and if it's just a small single-level navigation?
  93. # [12:14] <@MarcoZ> Put it in an unordered list anyway.
  94. # [12:15] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: Oh, wait, unordered lists are usually better than ordered. The numbers don't really make sense and just add clutter. So, unordered lists instead of ordered ones.
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  96. # [12:16] <icaaq> MarcoZ: thanks, that's what i've been told as well.
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  102. # [13:04] <@firebot> ioana.budnar@softvision.ro changed the Status on bug 760657 from UNCONFIRMED to NEW.
  103. # [13:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760657 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, When writting a subdomain and press Crtl + Enter ".com" will not Concatenate at the end of Url !
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  113. # [15:15] <@davidb> hi hi hi
  114. # [15:17] <@MarcoZ> Hi davidb!
  115. # [15:17] <@davidb> MarcoZ: nice to see you excited about fennec
  116. # [15:18] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I'm drolling all over this. I think we're doing something really magnificent here!
  117. # [15:19] <@davidb> yes.
  118. # [15:32] <Infinity> davidb MarcoZ what's fennec ?
  119. # [15:32] <@davidb> internal name for mobile firefox
  120. # [15:32] <@davidb> a fennec is a baby fox :)
  121. # [15:33] <@davidb> and by "internal" I don't mean not public :)
  122. # [15:33] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 760756 from --- to mozilla15.
  123. # [15:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760756 nor, --, mozilla15, markcapella, ASSI, de-ns-ify nsHTMLLinkAccessible
  124. # [15:34] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 760755 from --- to mozilla15.
  125. # [15:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760755 nor, --, mozilla15, markcapella, ASSI, de-ns-ify nsHTMLImageMapAccessible
  126. # [15:34] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 760463 from --- to mozilla15.
  127. # [15:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760463 nor, --, mozilla15, markcapella, ASSI, de-ns-ify nsBaseWidgetAccessible
  128. # [15:34] <@davidb> i tell you, that capella dude doesn't like n's or s's.
  129. # [15:34] <Infinity> cool :)
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  131. # [15:34] <capella> de NS ify the whole lot of em
  132. # [15:34] <capella> move that cheese
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  135. # [15:34] <@davidb> heheh
  136. # [15:35] <Infinity> You can actually put up fennec also as the topic of this channel :)
  137. # [15:35] <@davidb> so many options
  138. # [15:35] <Infinity> capella is a machine davidb when he sees n's or s's
  139. # [15:35] <Infinity> terminator...he terminates the n's and s's
  140. # [15:36] <capella> i keep nailing em and surkov keeps added new ones
  141. # [15:36] <Infinity> :P
  142. # [15:37] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Status on bug 760758 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  143. # [15:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760758 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, de-ns-ify nsHTMLTableAccessible
  144. # [15:38] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Status on bug 760757 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  145. # [15:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760757 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, de-ns-ify nsHTMLSelectAccessible
  146. # [15:38] <capella> heheh B)
  147. # [15:40] <Infinity> I guess that's enough showing off ;0
  148. # [15:40] <Infinity> ;)
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  150. # [15:49] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Sent!
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  162. # [15:58] <@MarcoZ> Darn updates. ;)
  163. # [15:59] <Infinity> You don't say! :D
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  169. # [16:12] <capella> inbound changes put to bed ... me too ....
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  173. # [16:51] <eeejay> MarcoZ, thanks for sending out that mail. i started panicking over the weekend.
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  175. # [16:57] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted feedback for attachment 629732 on bug 761102.
  176. # [16:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761102 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, focus may be missed when ARIA active-descendant is changed on active composite widget
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  182. # [17:17] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: You're welcome! Yes we will make sure we deliver the best possible user experience to the market when 15 moves to beta! :)
  183. # [17:18] <eeejay> MarcoZ, the ICS bug you filed.. i don't think it has anything to do with ICS, just the virtual d-pad
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  185. # [17:22] <eeejay> MarcoZ, also bug 760972 is annoying, but not as much as the d-pad issue. i am right now digging in to IME code and figuring this out
  186. # [17:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760972 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] After fix for bug 758884, inconsistent behavior when a skip link is encountered
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  188. # [17:23] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: I already adjusted the summary of bug 760966 accordingly this morning.
  189. # [17:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760966 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Severe performance difference between using a hardware keyboard or a virtual d-pad
  190. # [17:23] <eeejay> MarcoZ, cool
  191. # [17:23] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 629784 on bug 759833.
  192. # [17:23] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested feedback from dbolter@mozilla.c om for attachment 629784 on bug 759833.
  193. # [17:23] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 759833 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  194. # [17:23] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: And yes, I agree with your assessment that the d-pad issue is more important than the navigation glitch. :)
  195. # [17:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759833 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, ARIA documents should fire document loading events
  196. # [17:23] <eeejay> MarcoZ, you see a performance issue? I see it as not working at all. once some element on the page gets focus the dpad starts doing caret navigation
  197. # [17:25] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Interesting...I at least was able to move through my blog with it, but really slow. Don't know if that's actually the same thing, e. g. it's doing caret navigation, but AccessFu speaks the elements anyway.
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  199. # [17:26] <eeejay> MarcoZ, if you swipe right and wait a while, it will read the next object?
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  201. # [17:30] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Yes. Want to Skype and I show you?
  202. # [17:32] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted feedback for attachment 629784 on bug 759833.
  203. # [17:33] <eeejay> MarcoZ, sounds good. let me set up skype here
  204. # [17:35] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: You're showing as online. Let me know when you're ready.
  205. # [17:36] <eeejay> MarcoZ, i'm ringing you. i'll stop and you could call me
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  208. # [17:42] <eeejay> http://monotonous.org/caret_test.html
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  210. # [17:55] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: I just did a check on the desktop, and there, it actually doesn't trigger caret browsing.
  211. # [17:59] <eeejay> MarcoZ, desktop? how do you mean?
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  214. # [18:08] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: I just called up your test page in Nightly on Windows. It also has caret browsing, but doesn't turn that on.
  215. # [18:08] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Also, I went back to my blog page, and caret navigation is off again, even on focused items. So there's something in that simple HTML of your test page that triggers this beast.
  216. # [18:08] <eeejay> MarcoZ, weird!
  217. # [18:09] <eeejay> MarcoZ, i should try your site again
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  221. # [18:23] <@MarcoZ> Darn, I really cannot post to the Eyes-Free list yet. My posts simply don't appear. :(
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  223. # [18:32] <eeejay> MarcoZ, are you certain you are a member? are you sending from the right email address?
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  226. # [18:34] <@firebot> ehsan@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 760451 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  227. # [18:34] <@firebot> ehsan@mozilla.com set the Resolution field on bug 760451 to FIXED.
  228. # [18:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760451 nor, --, mozilla15, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Support skip links
  229. # [18:38] <@firebot> ehsan@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 759670 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  230. # [18:38] <@firebot> ehsan@mozilla.com set the Resolution field on bug 759670 to FIXED.
  231. # [18:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759670 nor, --, mozilla15, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Intermittent accessible/events/test_docload.xul | Test timed out.
  232. # [18:38] <@firebot> ehsan@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 756983 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  233. # [18:38] <@firebot> ehsan@mozilla.com set the Resolution field on bug 756983 to FIXED.
  234. # [18:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756983 nor, --, mozilla15, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, Isolate focusable and unavailable states from State()
  235. # [18:40] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 761188 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  236. # [18:40] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 629812 on bug 761188.
  237. # [18:40] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested feedback from bzbarsky@mit.edu for attachment 629812 on bug 761188.
  238. # [18:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761188 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, reuse accessible boundaries calculation code from layout
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  240. # [18:48] <@davidb> MarcoZ: for firefox android release… what version of trunk is it based off?
  241. # [18:49] <@davidb> actually my real question is probably, how much do we need to worry about fixes applying to aurora.
  242. # [18:49] <@davidb> eeejay: ^
  243. # [18:51] <eeejay> davidb, the ime bug is the highest priority. after that two focus behavior changes. MarcoZ and I discussed this just now
  244. # [18:51] <@davidb> yes ok
  245. # [18:51] <eeejay> davidb, the former requires ime folks on board with the aurora approval, the second two are in our jsm and should not bother other modules
  246. # [18:52] <@davidb> eeejay: is chris an IME folk?
  247. # [18:52] <eeejay> davidb, yeah
  248. # [18:52] <@davidb> alrighty
  249. # [18:52] * @davidb takes off his distraction hat
  250. # [18:53] <eeejay> davidb, but i am getting my hands dirty now since it is hard to explain the brokenness
  251. # [18:53] <eeejay> davidb, were you being distracting earlier, or are you going to be distracting now?
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  253. # [18:53] <@davidb> i was distracting earlier
  254. # [18:53] <eeejay> davidb, carry on!
  255. # [18:53] <@davidb> quite
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  257. # [18:56] <@davidb> i worry a little about dxr keyboard nav
  258. # [18:56] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Aurora will be 15 from later today onwards. And that is what we want it to be: 15 should be the first accessible Android release.
  259. # [18:57] <@davidb> yeah ok
  260. # [18:57] <@davidb> i got my brain a little muddled with something else earlier
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  262. # [18:59] <@davidb> oh good bug 760451 made the merge to central
  263. # [18:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760451 nor, --, mozilla15, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Support skip links
  264. # [19:01] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: I joined the list from the groups web site, and I posted my topic from that same website, logged in with my gmail account. So there's no way I could have used the wrong e-mail address.
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  267. # [19:53] <eeejay> bah. the eyes-free keyboard in the "public repo" is out of date
  268. # [19:54] <@davidb> eeejay: i saw your post
  269. # [19:55] <@davidb> MarcoZ, tbsaunde, hub, surkov, eeejay any preference for work week the week of 20th or 27th?
  270. # [19:55] <@davidb> i want to reserve it today
  271. # [19:55] <@davidb> hub mentioned the week of 27th goes over labour day which can increase flight traffic/fares
  272. # [19:56] <eeejay> davidb, 20th is better i think
  273. # [19:57] <@davidb> how bad is labour day travel?
  274. # [19:58] <capella> hahahahahahahah
  275. # [19:58] <@davidb> i see
  276. # [19:58] <@davidb> i recall travelling on labour day weekend from cali back to toronto
  277. # [19:58] <@davidb> the flight was full but otherwise not much diff
  278. # [19:59] <capella> guess it depends - im used to flying through hot-lanta
  279. # [20:00] <@davidb> heheh
  280. # [20:00] <@davidb> a lot of people here either go to florida or up north to the lakes
  281. # [20:02] <eeejay> i would like to stay put for labor day
  282. # [20:02] <@davidb> roger
  283. # [20:04] <@davidb> I'm going to book the 20th
  284. # [20:04] <@davidb> and hope for the best (there are some variables involved)
  285. # [20:04] <@davidb> (either way)
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  288. # [20:05] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah, I have no labor day plns, so wouldn't really mater to me
  289. # [20:06] <@davidb> ok
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  291. # [20:21] <eeejay> bbiab
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  294. # [20:30] <@davidb> hub: i see your apple shirt
  295. # [20:31] <@hub> yeah. too obvious
  296. # [20:31] <@hub> 1996 called and want their shirt back
  297. # [20:32] <@davidb> heheh
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  299. # [20:38] <@hub> davidb: they didn't answer my Q about a11y in x-tag
  300. # [20:38] <@davidb|mtg> hub: we need to look at that ourselves and come with a plan
  301. # [20:38] <@hub> ok
  302. # [20:40] <@tbsaunde> x-tag?
  303. # [20:43] <@davidb|mtg> tbsaunde: sent email
  304. # [20:43] <@davidb|mtg> tbsaunde: AKA web components
  305. # [20:48] <@MarcoZ> davidb|mtg: There are no public holidays in Germany around that time, so I have no preference either way.
  306. # [20:48] <@davidb|mtg> ok
  307. # [20:48] <@MarcoZ> When's labour day?
  308. # [20:49] <@hub> MarcoZ: first monday of September
  309. # [20:49] <@hub> in both USA and Canada
  310. # [20:50] * @davidb|mtg books the week of 20th
  311. # [20:50] <@davidb|mtg> hub: we're going to get lots of complaints about mac slowness once people remember/notice it is our fault
  312. # [20:50] <@davidb|mtg> let's get a plan together asap
  313. # [20:51] * @davidb|mtg was just complained at in #devtools ;)
  314. # [20:51] <@davidb|mtg> MarcoZ: what is your feeling on turning mac a11y completely off in aurora?
  315. # [20:52] <@davidb|mtg> i'd like to avoid it, and whitelist VO
  316. # [20:52] <@hub> see my last comment on bug 759236
  317. # [20:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759236 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, nsAccTreeWalker timer is blocking the main thread
  318. # [20:52] <@davidb|mtg> tbsaunde, hub you guys need to agree on a VO patch
  319. # [20:52] <@davidb|mtg> ok
  320. # [20:53] <@davidb|mtg> i see
  321. # [20:53] <@tbsaunde> davidb|mtg: honestly I'd tend to say turn it all the way off for 15, and whitelist for 16
  322. # [20:53] <@davidb|mtg> that's ok with me
  323. # [20:53] <@tbsaunde> I'm just somewhat concerned how well whitelisting will work
  324. # [20:53] <@davidb|mtg> hub: can you drive it?
  325. # [20:54] <@hub> I can
  326. # [20:54] <@MarcoZ> davidb|mtg: Turn it off for 15. We're not ready. Period.
  327. # [20:54] <@davidb|mtg> we have consensus
  328. # [20:54] <@hub> let me file a bug
  329. # [20:54] <@davidb|mtg> plz to cc me
  330. # [20:55] <@davidb|mtg> for speed if you have to turn all mac a11y tests off we can do that for a short while
  331. # [20:55] <@MarcoZ> Agreed.
  332. # [20:56] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 761256 filed by hub@mozilla.com.
  333. # [20:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761256 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Disable Mac a11y in Aurora 15
  334. # [20:58] <@davidb|mtg> hub: thanks
  335. # [21:00] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: What do you mean the eyes-free keyboard is out of date? You mean the one in Google Play is newer than what's on Google Code? Drat!
  336. # [21:01] <@davidb|mtg> tbsaunde: regarding the voice over patch on trunk, the longer we wait, the more nightly testers we lose on mac, which tend to be web developers and others we don't want to lose
  337. # [21:02] <@tbsaunde> davidb|mtg: not sure what you mean
  338. # [21:03] <@davidb|mtg> tbsaunde: just trying to convey why i think there is some urgency to get the whitelist patch landed
  339. # [21:03] <@tbsaunde> davidb|mtg: ok, I'd agree we should fix that sooner rather than later
  340. # [21:03] <@davidb|mtg> great, and i mean getting the patch iterated and ready to land, and landed
  341. # [21:04] <@tbsaunde> well, afaict its blocked on hub writing it :)
  342. # [21:04] <@tbsaunde> unless I just do it tonight, its not hard
  343. # [21:06] <@hub> tbsaunde: you suggestion of just return nsnull for GetDocAccessible does not really work for the whitelisting
  344. # [21:07] <@tbsaunde> hub: why?
  345. # [21:08] <@hub> accessible get created
  346. # [21:08] <@hub> still
  347. # [21:08] <@hub> I haven't traced the path as I was attending the project meetings
  348. # [21:09] <@tbsaunde> hub: explain "accessible get created"
  349. # [21:10] <@tbsaunde> also, how are you checking?
  350. # [21:10] <@hub> accessibility verifier
  351. # [21:10] <@hub> ie the Mac tool
  352. # [21:11] <@tbsaunde> ok
  353. # [21:11] <@tbsaunde> can I see your patch to GetDocumentAccessible()? I have a hard time believing that doesn't work
  354. # [21:15] <@tbsaunde> hub: the patch in bug 761256 is just a straight backout right?
  355. # [21:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761256 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Disable Mac a11y in Aurora 15
  356. # [21:16] <@tbsaunde> I believe we haven't actually brnched yet, so you could just lnd on m-c with r=me
  357. # [21:20] <@hub> tbsaunde: yes it is
  358. # [21:20] <@hub> but then I have to reenable it after uplift
  359. # [21:21] <@hub> or mayby that's how we want to do it?
  360. # [21:23] <@tbsaunde> hub: I don't think its very hard to do it that
  361. # [21:23] <@tbsaunde> just back out and push to m-i
  362. # [21:23] <@MarcoZ> OK, guys, I'm off for the night. See you tomorrow!
  363. # [21:23] <@davidb|mtg> after the merge
  364. # [21:23] <@hub> yeah ok, I'll do that
  365. # [21:23] <@hub> davidb|mtg: ok
  366. # [21:23] <@davidb|mtg> i mean yes, but push to m-i after the merge to be safe
  367. # [21:24] <@davidb|mtg> MarcoZ: see you
  368. # [21:24] <@hub> davidb|mtg: to disable it?
  369. # [21:24] <@hub> davidb|mtg: or to reenable it?
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  371. # [21:24] <@davidb|mtg> reenable
  372. # [21:24] <@hub> ok
  373. # [21:24] <@davidb|mtg> disable asap :)
  374. # [21:25] <@tbsaunde> ok, hub you want to watch the tree or shall I?
  375. # [21:25] <@tbsaunde> I don't really mind
  376. # [21:26] <@hub> I'll watch it
  377. # [21:26] <@hub> but then with the mochitest-a11y enabling it might explode
  378. # [21:26] <@hub> *sigh(
  379. # [21:26] <@davidb|mtg> hub: i think we need to patch for that as well
  380. # [21:27] <@hub> it is out of our control :-/
  381. # [21:27] <@hub> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749160
  382. # [21:27] <@firebot> Bug 749160 nor, P3, ---, armenzg, NEW, Turn on a11y Mochitests for OS X once bug 733513 lands
  383. # [21:28] <@tbsaunde> hub: not really we can do a hack there too, in accessible/tests/Makefile
  384. # [21:36] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested approval-mozilla-aurora from the wind for attachment 629868 on bug 761256.
  385. # [21:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761256 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Disable Mac a11y in Aurora 15
  386. # [21:46] <@davidb|mtg> hub: it'll be easier to get approval if you get tbsaunde to do the flag twiddle r+
  387. # [21:47] <@davidb|mtg> trunk is now FF 16
  388. # [21:48] * davidb|mtg is now known as davidb
  389. # [21:48] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 629868 on bug 761256.
  390. # [21:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761256 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Disable Mac a11y in Aurora 15
  391. # [21:48] <@davidb> tada!
  392. # [21:49] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeh, I was just trying to see if I could easily convince the build system that mochitest-a11y should run no tests
  393. # [21:50] <@davidb> groovy
  394. # [21:51] <@firebot> philringnalda@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 760463 from mozilla15 to mozilla16.
  395. # [21:51] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760463 nor, --, mozilla16, markcapella, ASSI, de-ns-ify nsBaseWidgetAccessible
  396. # [21:52] <@firebot> philringnalda@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 760755 from mozilla15 to mozilla16.
  397. # [21:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760755 nor, --, mozilla15, markcapella, ASSI, de-ns-ify nsHTMLImageMapAccessible
  398. # [21:52] <@firebot> philringnalda@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 760756 from mozilla15 to mozilla16.
  399. # [21:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760756 nor, --, mozilla16, markcapella, ASSI, de-ns-ify nsHTMLLinkAccessible
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  403. # [22:02] <@tbsaunde> have I mentioned recently how much I hte non compiled languages?
  404. # [22:03] <@davidb> surely
  405. # [22:04] <@davidb> just write everything in C, make sure it compiles, and emscripten it to js
  406. # [22:04] <@tbsaunde> :p
  407. # [22:05] <@tbsaunde> also I don't actually want to write build logic in C
  408. # [22:10] <@davidb> heh
  409. # [22:10] <@davidb> tbsaunde, hub how do you feel about turning a11y off in nightly anyways, until we fix bug 759736?
  410. # [22:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759736 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Add VO-only mode for FF a11y on mac.
  411. # [22:15] <@davidb> Note related discussion here: http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.platform/browse_thread/thread/931f935a64f63af8#
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  413. # [22:21] <@tbsaunde> davidb: hm, not terrible, but not really prefered either
  414. # [22:23] <@davidb> ok
  415. # [22:23] <@davidb> if we can get the whitelist landed soon i'll sleep better
  416. # [22:25] <@tbsaunde> why is doing terrible things fun?
  417. # [22:25] <@davidb> wait i'm confused
  418. # [22:25] <@davidb> tbsaunde: what is terrible?
  419. # [22:26] <@tbsaunde> davidb: just random commentary, for fun I tried to see if I could make mochitest-a11y always pass, and came up with http://paste.debian.net/172877/
  420. # [22:26] <@davidb> does it work?
  421. # [22:26] <@tbsaunde> yes
  422. # [22:27] <@tbsaunde> but apparently armenzg_mtg needs to reworks something anyway?
  423. # [22:27] <@davidb> i wonder if there is any infrastructure that would puke
  424. # [22:27] <@davidb> yeah he does
  425. # [22:27] <@tbsaunde> what could? we run the test suit, just it only has one test
  426. # [22:28] <@davidb> aha
  427. # [22:28] <@davidb> ok
  428. # [22:31] <@hub> davidb: sure if you want. but uplift is in progress
  429. # [22:31] <@hub> davidb: I can land the turn off
  430. # [22:32] <@davidb> where?
  431. # [22:32] <@hub> davidb: I mean I can turn off in m-i too.
  432. # [22:32] <@davidb> yeah i'd prefer that for now until we sort out the whitelist
  433. # [22:37] <@hub> so we still don't run mochitest-a11y by default on Mac?
  434. # [22:37] <@davidb> hub: I'd ask you :)
  435. # [22:38] <@davidb> ok i need to relocate
  436. # [22:39] <@hub> ok, I pushed to m-i
  437. # [22:40] <@hub> will push to aurora ASAP
  438. # [22:40] <@hub> (ie when I get approval)
  439. # [22:40] <@davidb> hub: excellent. thanks for jumping on this.
  440. # [22:41] <@davidb> ok i'll leave it to you and tbsaunde while i ride an underground train
  441. # [22:41] <@davidb> good luck
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  443. # [22:42] <@tbsaunde> hub: so, can I see how you changed GetDocumentAccessible()? because I'm really confused why a11y is still instantiated?
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  445. # [22:44] <hub_> already_AddRefed<Accessible>
  446. # [22:44] <hub_> nsChildView::GetDocumentAccessible()
  447. # [22:44] <hub_> {
  448. # [22:44] <hub_> + if (!mozilla::a11y::ShouldA11yBeEnabled())
  449. # [22:44] <hub_> + return nsnull;
  450. # [22:44] <hub_> +
  451. # [22:44] <hub_> tbsaunde: this is how
  452. # [22:45] <@tbsaunde> hub_: strange!
  453. # [22:46] <@tbsaunde> would you mind giving me the stack trace from nsAccessibilityService::Init()?
  454. # [22:46] <@hub> as soon as I get it
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  456. # [22:54] <@hub> tbsaunde: it might have been a problem between keyboard and chair :-(
  457. # [22:54] <@hub> once again
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  459. # [22:56] <@hub> something like firefox was not properly rebuilt
  460. # [22:58] * @hub headdesk
  461. # [23:00] <@tbsaunde> hub: oh, ok cool
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  464. # [23:31] <@hub> tbsaunde: good news. it was definitely a problem between the keyboard and the chair.
  465. # [23:31] <@tbsaunde> hub: ok, I feel sainer now :)
  466. # [23:33] <@hub> sorry
  467. # [23:34] <@tbsaunde> np
  468. # [23:34] <@hub> indeed mochitest-a11y still works
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  472. # [23:58] <mib_sajmm9> nmbn
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