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  1. # Session Start: Tue Jun 05 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:00] <@askalski> I think that msys is super slow
  4. # [00:05] <@tbsaunde> askalski: I believe that's true
  5. # [00:05] <@askalski> tbsaunde, simple copy operation is 10 times slowe
  6. # [00:05] <@askalski> tbsaunde, than OS's
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  8. # [00:08] <@tbsaunde> askalski: I believe people have found similar numbers for other operations
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  10. # [00:20] <@askalski> o, I am going to sleep
  11. # [00:20] <@askalski> it's midnight
  12. # [00:21] <@askalski> and I have something not working, so I'll go to sleep
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  19. # [01:01] <@firebot> akeybl@mozilla.com granted approval-mozilla-aurora for attachment 629868 on bug 761256.
  20. # [01:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761256 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Disable Mac a11y in Aurora 15
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  22. # [01:07] <blez> hey.
  23. # [01:07] <blez> I saw that firefox 13 on macos still doesn't have accessibility support
  24. # [01:07] <blez> when it's planned?
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  26. # [01:11] <@hub> blez: nightly has it, but it is very buggy still
  27. # [01:14] <blez> I saw it at aurora, but aurora is 15.
  28. # [01:14] <blez> so will it be available officially in 15?
  29. # [01:17] <@hub> no
  30. # [01:17] <@hub> it will be pulled out of Aurora
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  32. # [01:18] <blez> why?
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  34. # [01:20] <blez> pulled out = never finished?
  35. # [01:23] * blez pokes hub
  36. # [01:23] <@hub> blez: pulled = crashes to much for everybody
  37. # [01:23] <@hub> it will stay in nightly
  38. # [01:23] <blez> :|
  39. # [01:23] <@hub> crashes or slowliness
  40. # [01:23] <blez> works fine for me
  41. # [01:24] <@hub> then I recommend you stick to Nightly
  42. # [01:25] <blez> how you did the linux part with at-spi, but not macos
  43. # [01:25] <blez> at-spi has no good documentation
  44. # [01:25] <blez> I'm doing a screenreader, but for firefox on mac I need to make an extension to support it
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  46. # [01:25] <@hub> blez: at-spi as source code of the whole shebang
  47. # [01:25] <@hub> that's better than documentation
  48. # [01:26] <blez> I didn't suceed to find any good at-spi docs to make a screenreader on linux
  49. # [01:26] <blez> the only thing I found was orca
  50. # [01:27] <blez> the only thing that gets the text under the cursor, I mean
  51. # [01:28] <@hub> i'm not sure what tbsaunde uses in Firefox
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  53. # [01:30] <blez> I think firefox's accessibility is different, it exports some accessible objects, but I want to read them
  54. # [01:30] <blez> but it's still at-spi I guess
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  57. # [01:37] <blez> tbsaunde can you please write, when you're online
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  76. # [02:49] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 761256 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  77. # [02:49] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 761256 from --- to mozilla15.
  78. # [02:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761256 nor, --, mozilla15, hub, ASSI, Disable Mac a11y in Aurora 15
  79. # [02:49] <@hub> tbsaunde, davidb|mobile : Mac a11y is now disabled in Aurora
  80. # [02:50] <davidb|mobile> ok
  81. # [02:50] <davidb|mobile> ty
  82. # [02:51] <@hub> they now just need to merge the checking from m-i to m-c.
  83. # [02:51] <@hub> whitelisting coming up soon
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  86. # [03:07] <davidb|mobile> cool
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  95. # [04:02] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from smichaud@pobox.com for attachment 630034 on bug 759736.
  96. # [04:02] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759736 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Add VO-only mode for FF a11y on mac.
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  111. # [06:26] <@tbsaunde> blez: hi
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  123. # [07:51] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 630034 on bug 759736.
  124. # [07:51] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759736 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Add VO-only mode for FF a11y on mac.
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  137. # [09:41] <@firebot> scoobidiver@netcourrier.com set status-firefox15 to fixed on bug 761256.
  138. # [09:41] <@firebot> scoobidiver@netcourrier.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 761256 from mozilla15 to mozilla16.
  139. # [09:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761256 nor, --, mozilla16, hub, ASSI, Disable Mac a11y in Aurora 15
  140. # [10:19] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 630100 on bug 760972.
  141. # [10:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760972 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] After fix for bug 758884, inconsistent behavior when a skip link is encountered
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  153. # [12:07] <tbsaunde> blez: hi
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  155. # [12:47] <blez> tbsaunde hi
  156. # [12:47] <blez> I'm going a screenreader, but I didn't succeed to find an example of at-spi for linux
  157. # [12:47] <blez> to get the text under the cursor
  158. # [12:48] <blez> any ideas where to find some docs or examples?
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  160. # [12:49] <@tbsaunde> blez: I thought pyatspi was documented somewhere on live.gnome.org, or you can just read it
  161. # [13:02] <blez> only Orca does that
  162. # [13:06] <@tbsaunde> blez: I don't understand what you mean by that
  163. # [13:08] <blez> only Orca supports that feature, to get the text under the cursor
  164. # [13:13] <@tbsaunde> blez: sure, but it does it thorugh pyatspi
  165. # [13:14] <@tbsaunde> *through
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  171. # [15:05] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde: Do you know by chance if, when I build Firefox for Android and it goes onto a device, it trumps regular nightly builds? Or does it install as a separate app and leaves regular nightly untouched?
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  173. # [15:07] <@firebot> geoff@darktrojan.net changed the Status on bug 760463 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  174. # [15:07] <@firebot> geoff@darktrojan.net set the Resolution field on bug 760463 to FIXED.
  175. # [15:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760463 nor, --, mozilla16, markcapella, RESO FIXED, de-ns-ify nsBaseWidgetAccessible
  176. # [15:08] <@firebot> geoff@darktrojan.net changed the Status on bug 760755 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  177. # [15:08] <@firebot> geoff@darktrojan.net set the Resolution field on bug 760755 to FIXED.
  178. # [15:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760755 nor, --, mozilla16, markcapella, RESO FIXED, de-ns-ify nsHTMLImageMapAccessible
  179. # [15:08] <@firebot> geoff@darktrojan.net changed the Status on bug 760756 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  180. # [15:08] <@firebot> geoff@darktrojan.net set the Resolution field on bug 760756 to FIXED.
  181. # [15:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760756 nor, --, mozilla16, markcapella, RESO FIXED, de-ns-ify nsHTMLLinkAccessible
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  187. # [15:20] <@davidb> !seen askalski
  188. # [15:20] <@firebot> askalski was last seen 14 hours, 59 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying 'and I have something not working, so I'll go to sleep' in #accessibility.
  189. # [15:20] <@davidb> hi all!
  190. # [15:24] <@MarcoZ> Hi davidb!
  191. # [15:24] <@davidb> Hi MarcoZ
  192. # [15:25] <@firebot> geoff@darktrojan.net changed the Status on bug 761256 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  193. # [15:25] <@firebot> geoff@darktrojan.net set the Resolution field on bug 761256 to FIXED.
  194. # [15:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761256 nor, --, mozilla16, hub, RESO FIXED, Disable Mac a11y in Aurora 15
  195. # [15:29] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I'm currently looking at setting up a build env for Android. Would you say it's best to use an Ubuntu 12.04 for this and just follow the steps here? https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Fennec/Android
  196. # [15:29] <@MarcoZ> Or does it make sense to do this on OS X?
  197. # [15:29] <@davidb> Definitely Ubuntu is the more trodden path
  198. # [15:30] <@davidb> Perhaps worth asking in #b2g though.
  199. # [15:30] <@MarcoZ> Oh, I'm not thinking b2g just yet, just Fennec. :D
  200. # [15:30] <@davidb> oh sorry
  201. # [15:31] <@davidb> android right
  202. # [15:31] <@davidb> i've never tried osx
  203. # [15:31] <@tbsaunde> MarcoZ: no idea, I'd just try it and find out
  204. # [15:31] <@davidb> i ran into a few snags on linux where one of the dependencies asked me to sign up to something which i bailed out of
  205. # [15:31] <@davidb> but the env still worked
  206. # [15:32] <@davidb> yeah i can't offer more than what tbsaunde said really
  207. # [15:33] <@MarcoZ> davidb: tbsaunde: Thanks guys! Will ponder this some more and probably go the safe route. I can always ditch a VM and re-do.
  208. # [15:34] <@davidb> anyways, I'm happy to hear you will be testing your own patches! (snicker)
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  210. # [15:35] <@MarcoZ> Heh, that remains to be seen still! *ggg*
  211. # [15:39] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I'm very happy with the way the communication between our team and rel-eng went yesterday!
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  213. # [15:39] <@davidb> yes everyone was very responsive
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  215. # [15:39] <@davidb> hi scott_gonzalez
  216. # [15:39] <scott_gonzalez> hi davidb
  217. # [15:40] <@davidb> scott_gonzalez: how goes the jqueryUI?
  218. # [15:40] <scott_gonzalez> I was just talking to Justin O from Fluid about a bug in Orca with accordions/tabs.
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  220. # [15:40] <@davidb> oh?
  221. # [15:40] <scott_gonzalez> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=638062
  222. # [15:40] <scott_gonzalez> They seem to be blaming Firefox.
  223. # [15:40] <@davidb> looks like tbsaunde is on the bug
  224. # [15:40] <@davidb> scott_gonzalez: have they tried accerciser?
  225. # [15:41] * @davidb chuckles
  226. # [15:41] <@davidb> cuz the author of that tool is here too!
  227. # [15:41] <scott_gonzalez> I don't think so.
  228. # [15:41] <@davidb> but eeejay is probably asleep
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  230. # [15:42] <scott_gonzalez> We're getting close to landing ARIA support for tabs in jQuery UI: https://github.com/jquery/jquery-ui/pull/666/files
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  233. # [15:42] <scott_gonzalez> Ignore the changes to the demo, that's just temporary to make testing the changes easier.
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  239. # [15:44] <@davidb> scott_gonzalez: the best next step on linux is to try accerciser and see if we are exposing the right info
  240. # [15:44] <@davidb> it is a nice tool https://live.gnome.org/Accerciser
  241. # [15:45] <@davidb> if we are not, then we need a BMO bug filed
  242. # [15:45] <scott_gonzalez> clown: Have you tried that?
  243. # [15:45] * @davidb laughs
  244. # [15:45] <@davidb> and yes we have clown here too!
  245. # [15:46] <scott_gonzalez> Justin and clown discussed this yesterday, clown is the one who tracked down the bug report.
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  252. # [16:01] * @MarcoZ is installing Ubuntu while the Windows VM is still running. Living at the limit. :)
  253. # [16:04] <clown> my ears are burning.
  254. # [16:04] <clown> Hi davidb and scott_gonzalez!
  255. # [16:04] * clown reads the scroll back.
  256. # [16:04] <@davidb> hi
  257. # [16:05] <clown> re: "scott_gonzalez: the best next step on linux is to try accerciser and see if we are exposing the right info"
  258. # [16:05] <clown> I've done that, davidb.
  259. # [16:05] <@davidb> clown: oh you filed a bug?
  260. # [16:05] <clown> a cursory look suggests it is correct, but a closer look is investigated.
  261. # [16:05] <@davidb> oh so investigation continues?
  262. # [16:06] <clown> actually, I've not looked at th jQuery one, but another example that shows the same bug when run with Orca.
  263. # [16:06] * clown looks up url.
  264. # [16:06] <@davidb> http://codetalks.org/source/widgets/tabpanel/tabpanel.html ?
  265. # [16:07] <@davidb> surkov, tbsaunde how do you feel about bug 527003? (the original summary)
  266. # [16:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=527003 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Need a way to shutdown accessibility (on/off)
  267. # [16:07] <clown> http://www.oaa-accessibility.org/examplep/tabpanel1/
  268. # [16:07] <clown> and, yes, I tried the codetalks one as well — same problem.
  269. # [16:07] <@davidb> clown: ok, I'm wondering if there is anything we need to do.
  270. # [16:08] <clown> maybe, I did find an old ff bugzilla that might be related, davidb.
  271. # [16:08] * clown looks up that url.
  272. # [16:08] <scott_gonzalez> clown: You can find an up-to-date demo of the jQuery UI accordion at http://view.jqueryui.com/master/demos/accordion/default.html
  273. # [16:08] <scott_gonzalez> It follows the ARIA best practices, with the following exceptions:
  274. # [16:08] <scott_gonzalez> aria-multiselectable is not set to true, since we do not allow multiple open panels.
  275. # [16:08] <scott_gonzalez> ctrl+page up/down is not supported because of interference with browser shortcuts, as mentioned in the best practices.
  276. # [16:08] <scott_gonzalez> Added aria-controls on the headers.
  277. # [16:11] <clown> davidb, took a while to find that bugzilla again, but here it is: bug 638062
  278. # [16:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=638062 nor, P2, ---, rail, RESO FIXED, Tracking bug for build & release of Firefox 3.6.15
  279. # [16:11] <clown> whoops. wrong bugzilla data base. Hang on...
  280. # [16:12] <clown> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=638062
  281. # [16:12] <clown> scott_gonzalez: thanks for the info. I'm going to encourage Justin to load that one up and inspect it with accerciser.
  282. # [16:13] <@tbsaunde> davidb: not really sure why?
  283. # [16:14] <@tbsaunde> also, I'm about to run out, can think in a bit probably
  284. # [16:14] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i got directly pinged by someone on mac wanting to force a11y always off on FF
  285. # [16:14] <@davidb> and that bug is related
  286. # [16:14] <@davidb> we have a force off pref for windows
  287. # [16:15] <clown> davidb, scott_gonzalez, to summarize: the keyboard support works properly with those tabbed panel examples until one turns on Orca. I suspect Orca at the moment, but I'm reluctant to cast aspersions just yet.
  288. # [16:15] <@tbsaunde> so, why don't we just make that pref cross platform? that seems like a better solution to that problem
  289. # [16:15] <@davidb> yeah that was my first thought and then i went bug hunting
  290. # [16:16] <@davidb> we could certainly do that.
  291. # [16:16] <scott_gonzalez> clown: Thanks; that's what I understood from Justin's explanation.
  292. # [16:16] <@tbsaunde> why go bug hunting?
  293. # [16:16] <clown> 'cause bugs need to be hunted down and squasehd? :-)
  294. # [16:16] * clown never mind me...
  295. # [16:17] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i mean to file a new bug instead of a dupe, i hunt a bit first.
  296. # [16:17] <@tbsaunde> davidb: fair
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  301. # [16:20] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 761589 filed by dbolter@mozilla.com.
  302. # [16:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761589 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Make accessibility.force_disabled cross platform
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  307. # [16:37] <clown> hi Justin_o
  308. # [16:38] <Justin_o> clown: hello
  309. # [16:38] <clown> small world....
  310. # [16:40] <Justin_o> :) yes.. i just happened to stumble in here
  311. # [16:48] * @MarcoZ is running the automated Fennec-do-me-all script for Ubuntu. And the thing is working.
  312. # [16:57] <@firebot> New Firefox - Keyboard Navigation bug 761606 filed by lcrouch@mozilla.com.
  313. # [16:57] <@davidb> MarcoZ: that will install everything in the universe
  314. # [16:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761606 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Quick Find for button values
  315. # [16:57] <@MarcoZ> davidb: If it takes exactly 42 minutes, I'll get scared. LOL
  316. # [16:58] <@davidb> heh, see also https://twitter.com/davidbolter/status/195892541697163264
  317. # [17:00] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Heheh!
  318. # [17:23] <@davidb> MarcoZ: i forget what the results were when you lasted tested rypple a11y?
  319. # [17:24] <@MarcoZ> OK, the videos on the Ubuntu accessibility team blog that are supposed to show how to use Unity with orca are broken. Sound dies after two minutes.
  320. # [17:24] <@davidb> oof
  321. # [17:24] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Ryple's markup is crap, but as a proficient user, I'll manage.
  322. # [17:24] <@davidb> well, i'd like to file bugs… but where?
  323. # [17:25] <@davidb> oh maybe http://support.rypple.com/anonymous_requests/new
  324. # [17:25] <@MarcoZ> It's a third-party thing, and I don't think they have an open bug tracker.
  325. # [17:25] <@davidb> i see zero aria markup
  326. # [17:30] <@MarcoZ> davidb: And I'm not surprised by that. Most, the vast majority, of web devs don't know about ARIA still.
  327. # [17:30] <@MarcoZ> Remember, Rypple is a separate company.
  328. # [17:30] <@davidb> there isn't really any excuse… if you take your craft seriously as a web dev
  329. # [17:30] <@davidb> yes i know
  330. # [17:31] <@MarcoZ> If....And my experience is: If a web dev never ran across someone who told them about accessibility, they simply don't know. They usually don't go looking for something like WCAG.
  331. # [17:31] <@davidb> http://support.rypple.com/entries/21500398-make-rypple-accessible
  332. # [17:32] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Nice!
  333. # [17:32] <@davidb> MarcoZ: I used to think that way, but if you read even only mainstream online news on web development you will see something.
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  335. # [17:33] <@davidb> i'm talking about people who want to ultimately master their craft
  336. # [17:34] <@davidb> not people just hacking around
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  338. # [17:38] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Did you see my early morning/late evening tweet from last night about that comment on my blog? I wouldn't say it is representative, but it still shows that some people think accessibility is something terribly geeky that isn't really necessary to do.
  339. # [17:38] <@davidb> i didn't see it
  340. # [17:38] <@davidb> i'm in a twitter lull
  341. # [17:39] <@MarcoZ> davidb: http://www.marcozehe.de/2012/06/01/accessibility-in-firefox-for-android-some-more-technical-details/comment-page-1/#comment-316786
  342. # [17:42] <@davidb> MarcoZ: i've commented
  343. # [17:44] <@davidb> wuh? http://ht.ly/bneB8
  344. # [17:45] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Heh nice!
  345. # [17:49] <@MarcoZ> Yeah, I'd love to get my hands on that tactile touch screen one day!
  346. # [17:49] <@davidb> this is amazing
  347. # [17:50] * @davidb wants to buy tactus stock
  348. # [17:50] <@davidb> available mid 2013
  349. # [17:53] <@MarcoZ> davidb: No meeting this week, correct?
  350. # [17:53] * @MarcoZ is about to send out meeting cancellation message.
  351. # [17:54] <@davidb> cool
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  354. # [18:06] <@MarcoZ> davidb: It took considerably longer than 42 minutes tod ownload the universe, btw. It's still in progress. ;)
  355. # [18:07] <@davidb> ohhh hhaha i just got your 42 reference :)
  356. # [18:07] <@davidb> MarcoZ: don't panic ;)
  357. # [18:15] <@MarcoZ> :D
  358. # [18:25] <@firebot> bzbarsky@mit.edu granted feedback for attachment 629812 on bug 761188.
  359. # [18:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761188 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, reuse layout code for accessible boundaries calculation
  360. # [18:32] <capella> 42? I thought he said 420
  361. # [18:33] <@MarcoZ> No, Deep Thought said 42. ;)
  362. # [18:34] <capella> Yah ... hitchhikers ... took me a bit to remember
  363. # [18:34] <@MarcoZ> Right! :D
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  367. # [18:41] <capella> Hitchhiker didnt really do it for me .... I was more of a ringworld guy
  368. # [18:46] <@MarcoZ> FUCK!
  369. # [18:46] <@MarcoZ> "Insufficient permissions on your device. You have to have rooted it."
  370. # [18:47] <@MarcoZ> WHY? eeejay *did* install a CM7 onto it, so it must already be rooted, no? I *hate* this stuff!
  371. # [18:49] <capella> wow! easy big guy!
  372. # [18:52] <@MarcoZ> capella: It's a matter of style. If something Linux'ish fails, I have to curse like that. I have to keep up a reputation. :D
  373. # [18:53] <capella> :P ah s'ok and is why I do WIN
  374. # [18:53] <@MarcoZ> The only platform you cannot compile Firefox for Android on is.....guess......Win! :D
  375. # [18:55] <capella> speaking of android .... i wish someone would tell me why so many test errors during inbound pushs?
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  378. # [18:56] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 630197 on bug 760757.
  379. # [18:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760757 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, de-ns-ify nsHTMLSelectAccessible
  380. # [18:56] <capella> (hates those n and s's)
  381. # [18:58] <@MarcoZ> capella: You probably saw bug 759670 over the past week, right? This was dfixed nly yesterday.
  382. # [18:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759670 nor, --, mozilla15, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, Intermittent accessible/events/test_docload.xul | Test timed out.
  383. # [18:59] <capella> Yep i was watching that drama .. i dont believe it was a de-ns-ify issue though ??
  384. # [18:59] <capella> or why do you mention?
  385. # [19:00] * @davidb rejoins the room one burrito heavier
  386. # [19:01] <capella> I had to adjust my patches for the fix as I pushed to inbound
  387. # [19:04] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 630197 on bug 760757.
  388. # [19:04] <capella> marcoz: why the mention of bug 759670 ?
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  393. # [19:38] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Status on bug 759309 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  394. # [19:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759309 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, de-ns-ify nsHTMLCanvasAccessible
  395. # [19:41] <@davidb> MarcoZ: don't forget to send me that invoice
  396. # [19:43] <capella> hates those n's and s's .... those letters must be beat .... bite their little heads off, nibble they tiny feet :D
  397. # [19:43] <@davidb> i think you mean ibble they tiy feet
  398. # [19:43] <capella> LMAO
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  400. # [19:43] <capella> but i digest
  401. # [19:44] <@davidb> heheh
  402. # [19:44] <capella> too much time on my hands :p
  403. # [19:45] <@MarcoZ> capella: I was just mentioning that one because it was getting in *everyone's* way over the past week and had over 200 failures within five days on several branches.
  404. # [19:45] <@MarcoZ> It produced a lot of noise, that's why I mentioned it.
  405. # [19:46] <capella> marcoz: oh re: android test failures ...
  406. # [19:46] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Will send you that invoice tomorrow, am burried in Androids.
  407. # [19:47] <@MarcoZ> capella: Oh right, I think those weren't related to a11y at all, but more to infrastructure problems.
  408. # [19:48] <@davidb> ok
  409. # [19:48] <capella> hmmm ... worse than usual, but droid still errors a lot in general
  410. # [19:49] <@hub> these are not the droids you are looking for
  411. # [19:50] <capella> hub: well, not a11y related? annoying still
  412. # [19:50] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
  413. # [19:51] <@davidb> hub: :)
  414. # [19:51] <@hub> I make screenshot with adb and ffmpeg, like a boss
  415. # [19:51] <@hub> because that's not part of the features Google has put it
  416. # [19:54] <@MarcoZ> So, installing CM7 on a device doesn't automatically mean it's also rooted. Girlfriend and I will have to find out how to root that Desire Z I'm trying to do this with.
  417. # [20:26] <@davidb> hub: i don't see vancouver in the dev meeting
  418. # [20:26] <@hub> I don't think anybody here is attending
  419. # [20:26] <@hub> I forgot myself
  420. # [20:27] <@davidb> ok
  421. # [20:27] <@davidb> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/2012-06-05#Accessibility
  422. # [20:28] <@hub> shall I join?
  423. # [20:28] <@davidb> naw
  424. # [20:28] <@davidb> i already audibled
  425. # [20:28] <@hub> ok
  426. # [20:29] <@davidb> forget i distracted you from the real work :)
  427. # [20:30] <@hub> I'll file a new bz to reenable a11y on Mac
  428. # [20:30] <@davidb> ok
  429. # [20:31] <@davidb> did michaud have a look at your patch yet?
  430. # [20:31] <@hub> nope
  431. # [20:37] <@davidb> hub: really? 10 years ago was Mozilla 1.0?
  432. # [20:37] <@davidb> it is true
  433. # [20:37] <@davidb> wow
  434. # [20:38] <@MarcoZ> OK, Busybox and Superuser should do the trick. Let's try this again. I just hope running the script again will notice that a lot of stuff has already been installed!
  435. # [20:41] <@hub> davidb: really
  436. # [20:41] <@hub> I took it from Asa
  437. # [20:41] <@davidb> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/press/mozilla1.0.html
  438. # [20:43] <@MarcoZ> OK, the script is *not* smart enough to notice when things are already there. Instead, it bails out with a stupid "cannot create directory 'gold', already exists".
  439. # [20:46] <@davidb> alias fuuuuu...
  440. # [20:48] <@MarcoZ> Yeah!
  441. # [20:48] <@MarcoZ> But now it continues. Does a lot of G++ stuff.
  442. # [20:48] <@davidb> G++
  443. # [20:48] <@davidb> ?
  444. # [20:49] <@MarcoZ> Don't know, gf said it looked like that.
  445. # [20:49] <@davidb> oh yeah
  446. # [20:49] <@davidb> heh
  447. # [20:49] <@davidb> compiler
  448. # [20:49] <@MarcoZ> Yup. So it *might* now be at a stage where it builds Firefox. That means that rooting *may* have worked.
  449. # [20:49] <@davidb> gcc, g++ ...
  450. # [20:50] <@davidb> let's hope
  451. # [20:50] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 630242 on bug 759309.
  452. # [20:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759309 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, de-ns-ify nsHTMLCanvasAccessible
  453. # [20:53] <@MarcoZ> No. Now it barfed at the fact that mozilla-central-mobile had already been cloned.
  454. # [20:54] <@MarcoZ> OK, removing it and cloning it again because it's so much fun.
  455. # [20:57] <@MarcoZ> OK, now it barfed again at "gold".
  456. # [20:57] <@MarcoZ> The script author *never* anticipated something could go wrong and that one would re-run it.
  457. # [20:59] <capella> go marcoz! beat that thing with an ugly stick
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  459. # [21:00] <@MarcoZ> capella: Will do!
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  461. # [21:12] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 760451 from RESOLVED to VERIFIED.
  462. # [21:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760451 nor, --, mozilla15, eitan, VERI FIXED, [AccessFu] Support skip links
  463. # [21:14] <@MarcoZ> It's cloning m-c!
  464. # [21:15] <eeejay> MarcoZ, regarding bug 760972. i already have a patch in my queue here. the one you provided is ok, but not complete
  465. # [21:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760972 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] After fix for bug 758884, inconsistent behavior when a skip link is encountered
  466. # [21:16] <eeejay> MarcoZ, i'll r? you and ask for davidb's feedback
  467. # [21:16] <eeejay> MarcoZ, what are you doing now anyway? what is all this m-c cloning?
  468. # [21:17] <eeejay> my favorite eyes-free mail subject yet: "firefox and fanfiction"
  469. # [21:17] <eeejay> we need more firefox fanfiction for sure
  470. # [21:18] <eeejay> maybe something about lt. aurora having addon compatability issues
  471. # [21:20] <@davidb> hub: i emailed deb
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  473. # [21:21] <capella> snickers ... star trek
  474. # [21:22] <eeejay> capella, see what i did there with "aurora"?
  475. # [21:22] <capella> hadda read it twice then i got it :D
  476. # [21:23] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: I'm setting up a build env! *gasp* Or at least I'm trying. And I'm following the steps with Ubuntu 12.04. Problem was that the HTC wasn't rooted properly the first time, and re-running the script produces a lot of errors because the author never anticipated that something could go wrong on first pass and that it would be re-run.
  477. # [21:23] <eeejay> MarcoZ, didn't know you needed a rooted phone for a simple dev environment
  478. # [21:23] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: I'll cancel the review request and will wait for your patch, then! It was during a period of waiting for something, and I didn't have anything better to do, so I took a stab at it. :)
  479. # [21:24] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: You do.
  480. # [21:24] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: As stated here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Fennec/Android
  481. # [21:25] <@hub> davidb: good
  482. # [21:25] <eeejay> MarcoZ, oh. it is all because of the gdb setup that you probably won't use anyway
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  484. # [21:26] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com cancelled review?(eitan@monotonous.or g) for attachment 630100 on bug 760972.
  485. # [21:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760972 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] After fix for bug 758884, inconsistent behavior when a skip link is encountered
  486. # [21:27] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Yeah, I figured it was the easiest way to set this all up. After I read the rest of the page, I decided to just do that script.
  487. # [21:27] <eeejay> MarcoZ, gotcha
  488. # [21:27] <@MarcoZ> I also decided against trying to set this build env up under OS X.
  489. # [21:28] <eeejay> good choice
  490. # [21:29] <eeejay> MarcoZ, my apologies for not properly rooting the phone when i first set it up
  491. # [21:30] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: No harm done, my girlfriend knew how to do it.
  492. # [21:31] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: So, did you find a solution to that input method problem?
  493. # [21:32] <eeejay> MarcoZ, no! i hate it
  494. # [21:33] <eeejay> MarcoZ, i am officially off for today (and half of tomorrow), but i thought i would give it a couple of hours now
  495. # [21:35] <@davidb> famous last words
  496. # [21:35] <@davidb> sort of like "i'll just quickly check email"
  497. # [21:36] <@davidb> eeejay: close your laptop.
  498. # [21:36] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 630273 on bug 752823.
  499. # [21:36] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Status on bug 752823 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  500. # [21:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752823 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, turn nsHTMLLiAccessible::mBullet into raw pointer
  501. # [21:36] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: OK!
  502. # [21:36] <eeejay> davidb, it is "i need a break from my family" excuse
  503. # [21:37] <@MarcoZ> So, guys, I'm off for the night, but will leave this thing running since it also runs that Ubuntu VM. See you all tomorrow!
  504. # [21:37] <eeejay> MarcoZ, cheers
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  506. # [21:38] <@davidb> ciao
  507. # [21:38] <@davidb> eeejay: fair
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  509. # [21:56] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 630283 on bug 760972.
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  512. # [21:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760972 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] After fix for bug 758884, inconsistent behavior when a skip link is encountered
  513. # [21:56] <@davidb> eeejay: what's this? ^
  514. # [21:56] * @davidb reads
  515. # [21:56] <@davidb> oh good you wrote stuff
  516. # [21:56] <eeejay> yeah, i gave some context there
  517. # [21:57] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Target Milestone on bug 760972 from --- to mozilla15.
  518. # [21:57] <@davidb> this sounds right to me
  519. # [21:58] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested feedback from marco.zehe@google mail.com for attachment 630283 on bug 760972.
  520. # [22:01] <@davidb> eeejay: you call blur on DOM_VK_RIGHT for example… is DOM_VK_RIGHT supposed to mess with focus/blur?
  521. # [22:01] <eeejay> davidb, if the user presses right beyond the last character of a text entry field, it should blur the entry and hop to the next object
  522. # [22:02] <@davidb> yeah… hop doesn't imply focus right?
  523. # [22:02] <@davidb> where will focus be?
  524. # [22:02] <eeejay> davidb, on the doc
  525. # [22:02] <@davidb> is that cool?
  526. # [22:03] <@davidb> i recall a discussion about this but not the details
  527. # [22:03] <@davidb> i'll assume kosher
  528. # [22:03] <eeejay> davidb, not in love with it. but it proves to be more stable for now
  529. # [22:03] <@davidb> ok
  530. # [22:03] <eeejay> davidb, i would like to have focus be more implicit and where the cursor is (see the block that wsa removed in that patch)
  531. # [22:04] <@davidb> yeah
  532. # [22:04] <eeejay> davidb, but it is the whole observer-modifying-the-model dilemma
  533. # [22:04] * @davidb nods
  534. # [22:09] <eeejay> also, since we are dealing with mobile, we have to remember that tab focus and mouseover is a thing of the past. and that any website that depends on that is broken for everybody
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  536. # [22:10] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 630283 on bug 760972.
  537. # [22:10] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 761763 filed by hub@mozilla.com.
  538. # [22:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760972 nor, --, mozilla15, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] After fix for bug 758884, inconsistent behavior when a skip link is encountered
  539. # [22:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761763 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Re-enable Mac a11y in nightly
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  548. # [23:45] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested feedback from hub@mozilla.com for attachment 630328 on bug 725572.
  549. # [23:45] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Status on bug 725572 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  550. # [23:45] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=725572 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, Remove nsIAccessibilityService::GetAccessible()
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