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  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  14. # [01:25] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 631202 on bug 762389.
  15. # [01:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762389 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, de-ns-ify nsXULTreeAccessible and nsXULTreeGridAccessible
  16. # [01:47] <@hub> need to have a way to disable the whitelisting
  17. # [01:47] <@hub> *sigh*
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  20. # [02:11] <@tbsaunde> hub: seems reasonable
  21. # [02:11] <@tbsaunde> hub: maybe we should make force disable tristate, force on / auto / force off
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  31. # [03:57] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 631202 on bug 762389.
  32. # [03:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762389 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, de-ns-ify nsXULTreeAccessible and nsXULTreeGridAccessible
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  34. # [04:02] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 762754 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
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  36. # [04:02] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762754 is not accessible
  37. # [04:03] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 762755 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  38. # [04:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762755 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, de-ns-ify nsXULMenuAccessible and nsXULListboxAccessible classes
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  44. # [04:49] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested feedback from trev.saunders@gma il.com for attachment 631252 on bug 760881.
  45. # [04:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760881 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, decomtaminate Select Row / Column() on accessible tables
  46. # [04:53] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 631252 on bug 760881.
  47. # [04:53] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled feedback?(trev.saunders@gma il.com) for attachment 631252 on bug 760881.
  48. # [04:53] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 631252 on bug 760881.
  49. # [04:53] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled feedback?(trev.saunders@gma il.com) for attachment 631252 on bug 760881.
  50. # [04:58] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Status on bug 760880 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  51. # [04:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760880 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, decomtaminate Is Column / Row / Cell Selected() on accessible tables
  52. # [04:59] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Status on bug 762754 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  53. # [04:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762754 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, rename nsXULTextAccessible files to XULEelementAccessibles
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  56. # [05:53] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 762769 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  57. # [05:53] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762769 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Implement UIA
  58. # [05:54] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 762770 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  59. # [05:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762770 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, implement IAccessibleEx
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  62. # [06:29] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 631264 on bug 762770.
  63. # [06:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762770 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, implement IAccessibleEx
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  66. # [06:32] <capella> firebot: soft kitty
  67. # [06:32] <@firebot> capella: Soft kitty, warm kitty, little ball of fur, happy kitty, sleepy kitty, purr, purr, purr.
  68. # [06:33] <khuey> lol
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  71. # [06:50] <@MarcoZ> Cat content this early in the morning! My dog likes this! *ggg*
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  94. # [10:12] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 762806 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  95. # [10:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762806 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, implement UIA_AcceleratorKeyPropertyId and UIA_AccessKeyPropertyId
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  106. # [10:54] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 762817 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  107. # [10:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762817 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, implement UIA Text pattern
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  120. # [12:57] <@MarcoZ> Bah, the patch I'm going to submit is a real beast, but I don't see how else this could be done.
  121. # [13:03] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 762851 filed by marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
  122. # [13:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762851 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Introduce single letter quick navigation keys
  123. # [13:09] <@MarcoZ> ready to receive the thrown stones. :D
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  125. # [13:15] <capella> firebot: kick marcoz :)
  126. # [13:15] <@firebot> capella: Sorry, I've no idea what 'kick marcoz :)' might be.
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  129. # [13:52] <@MarcoZ> capella: Heh, firebot is a nice guy!
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  135. # [14:32] <@askalski> hi everyone
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  147. # [14:55] <@MarcoZ> Hi askalski!
  148. # [14:55] <@askalski> hi MarcoZ
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  151. # [15:08] <@MarcoZ> Ah, this is how splinter review works....
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  154. # [15:13] <@davidb> hi hi hi
  155. # [15:17] <icaaq> davidb: Hi, just out of curiosity did you look at http://icaaq.com/sandbox/mozilla/a11y-tab.htm ? would love to hear what you think :)
  156. # [15:20] <@davidb> icaaq: i haven't yet - sorry - but i will
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  158. # [15:21] <@davidb> icaaq: so the first thing i do is load the page and [tab] [tab] ...
  159. # [15:21] <@davidb> i can see focus for the first 5 things… then i get lost
  160. # [15:22] <@davidb> icaaq: so a11y step one is unplug your mouse and make this work for a sighted keyboard users.
  161. # [15:22] <icaaq> yes, it's that damn download button...
  162. # [15:22] <@davidb> icaaq: i presume you don't want the focus indication for mouse users
  163. # [15:22] <@davidb> there are some tricks
  164. # [15:23] * @davidb boots up his hind brain
  165. # [15:23] <@MarcoZ> Hi davidb!
  166. # [15:23] <@davidb> hi
  167. # [15:24] * @davidb starts reading http://www.accessibleculture.org/articles/2010/08/visible-keyboard-focus/ to refresh
  168. # [15:24] <icaaq> yes, I've seen Steve faulkners idea for example, But I dont mind having focus indicators for mouse users.
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  171. # [15:24] <@davidb> ok
  172. # [15:24] <@davidb> that makes it even easier
  173. # [15:25] <@davidb> icaaq: what os do you dev on?>
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  175. # [15:25] <icaaq> davidb: http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2012/04/how-to-remove-css-outlines-in-an-accessible-manner/ :)
  176. # [15:26] <icaaq> osx
  177. # [15:26] <@davidb> ok that's harder to do the next stuff with FF
  178. # [15:26] <icaaq> But this example is just for the pager
  179. # [15:26] <@davidb> icaaq: do you have access to windows or linux?
  180. # [15:26] <icaaq> yes
  181. # [15:26] <icaaq> windows
  182. # [15:26] <@davidb> ok do you want fish or do you want to learn to fish? :)
  183. # [15:26] <@davidb> we can do either
  184. # [15:27] <icaaq> hmm, both :)
  185. # [15:27] <@davidb> hah
  186. # [15:27] <@davidb> ok
  187. # [15:27] <@davidb> i'm not sure what the pager is
  188. # [15:27] <icaaq> the pager is that carusell thing in the middle
  189. # [15:28] <@davidb> ok!
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  191. # [15:29] <icaaq> as you can see now when you tab your way throughout the document every "slide" in the pager becomes visible
  192. # [15:29] <@davidb> tempting to make this a live region but that could be annoying
  193. # [15:30] <icaaq> very
  194. # [15:30] <@MarcoZ> No, not a live region. :) It would interrupt reading of the rest of the page over and over when this thing flips.
  195. # [15:30] <@davidb> i see what you did now
  196. # [15:30] <@davidb> MarcoZ: agreed
  197. # [15:30] <@davidb> so these are like radio buttons that are set on tab nav
  198. # [15:30] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Do you have a suggestion to make this monstrous case statement in bug 762851 more elegant?
  199. # [15:31] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762851 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Introduce single letter quick navigation keys
  200. # [15:31] <@davidb> icaaq: i like it
  201. # [15:31] <@surkov> MarcoZ: let me look
  202. # [15:32] <@davidb> icaaq: i think the "proper" way is to put a focus ring around the whole carousel and allow arrow keys to advance prev
  203. # [15:32] <icaaq> I'v thought of making it a aria-tab thing as well, but it's not optimal for that i think… to little info on each tab :)
  204. # [15:32] <@davidb> i thought of tabs too :)
  205. # [15:32] <@surkov> MarcoZ: it's not bad at all
  206. # [15:32] * @MarcoZ feels like he just received the knight's order from the Queen. :D
  207. # [15:33] <@davidb> MarcoZ: HAHA!
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  209. # [15:33] <@davidb> MarcoZ: adding quick nav to accessfu?
  210. # [15:33] <@davidb> icaaq: i'm still thinking
  211. # [15:33] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Yes!
  212. # [15:33] <@davidb> great
  213. # [15:33] <@MarcoZ> davidb: The first pass at it.
  214. # [15:33] <icaaq> davidb: Thanks
  215. # [15:33] <icaaq> davidb: ok
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  217. # [15:34] <@davidb> icaaq: what about making the circles links and have them labelled by the image elements? (which will have alt text)
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  220. # [15:37] <@MarcoZ> Man, I really wish vendors had agreed on specific landmark roles for each. This is just going to be soooooo messy!
  221. # [15:38] <@davidb> i have the same complaint about the specs
  222. # [15:38] <@davidb> messy IMO
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  224. # [15:40] <@davidb> icaaq: this already works fine as you have it now
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  226. # [15:41] <@davidb> IMO
  227. # [15:41] <@davidb> nice work
  228. # [15:42] <@davidb> icaaq: i tested with nvda on windows using speech viewer (with sound turned off)… that's the learning to fish part (sort of) :)
  229. # [15:42] <@davidb> i could check accprobe etc but no need
  230. # [15:43] <@davidb> http://www.nvda-project.org/
  231. # [15:43] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 759833 from --- to mozilla16.
  232. # [15:43] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted in-testsuite on bug 759833.
  233. # [15:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759833 nor, --, mozilla16, surkov.alexander, ASSI, ARIA documents should fire document loading events
  234. # [15:44] <icaaq> davidb: yes, I dont think the black circles adds any meaning though. and one visible slide already has been focused in the document. It doesn't make sense imho
  235. # [15:44] <@davidb> i agree
  236. # [15:45] <icaaq> Yes, I already test the things in Voice Over, NVDA and JAWS :)
  237. # [15:45] <@davidb> (not knowing the js you've used underneath i was trying to make it easier)
  238. # [15:45] <@davidb> excellent!
  239. # [15:45] <@davidb> well you are a fisher already
  240. # [15:47] <@MarcoZ> LOL, AccessFu completely broken. xD
  241. # [15:50] <@davidb> icaaq: one potential weakness is if there were many items in the carousel it sort of hogs tabs
  242. # [15:50] <@davidb> the general solution for that is to have tab go to the widget and use other keys for operation
  243. # [15:50] <@davidb> but if you know this will remain few, then you are ok
  244. # [15:50] <@davidb> as you are
  245. # [15:51] <@davidb> HOW HAVE I NOT HAD COFFEE YET!
  246. # [15:51] * @davidb fixes that
  247. # [15:53] <icaaq> davidb: yes, I think this "pager" is used on other places as well, but it maybe could be a opt-in to have it tabbeble (strange word) ;)
  248. # [15:54] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Do you know if Fennec also has something equivalent to the error console?
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  254. # [16:07] <@davidb> MarcoZ: i've not seen one
  255. # [16:07] <@davidb> you can get some logging through adb debugging
  256. # [16:08] <@davidb> best to ask blassey or mfinkle etc
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  260. # [16:14] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 762897 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  261. # [16:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762897 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, implement UIA_AriaPropertiesPropertyId
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  263. # [16:16] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 762898 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  264. # [16:17] <@firebot> Bug 762898 was not found.
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  268. # [16:24] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 762389 from --- to mozilla16.
  269. # [16:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762389 nor, --, mozilla16, markcapella, ASSI, de-ns-ify nsXULTreeAccessible and nsXULTreeGridAccessible
  270. # [16:33] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Hrm OK, I'll look first without that.
  271. # [16:33] * @MarcoZ is not good at debuggers.
  272. # [16:36] * @davidb nods
  273. # [16:41] <@firebot> graememcc_firefox@graeme-online.co.uk changed the Status on bug 760774 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  274. # [16:41] <@firebot> graememcc_firefox@graeme-online.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 760774 to FIXED.
  275. # [16:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760774 nor, --, mozilla16, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, switch ARIA role map to atoms
  276. # [16:41] <@firebot> graememcc_firefox@graeme-online.co.uk changed the Status on bug 445516 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  277. # [16:41] <@firebot> graememcc_firefox@graeme-online.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 445516 to FIXED.
  278. # [16:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=445516 nor, --, mozilla16, andrew.quartey, RESO FIXED, Support auto-generated=true text attribute on list bullets
  279. # [16:42] <@firebot> graememcc_firefox@graeme-online.co.uk changed the Status on bug 760758 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  280. # [16:42] <@firebot> graememcc_firefox@graeme-online.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 760758 to FIXED.
  281. # [16:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760758 nor, --, mozilla16, markcapella, RESO FIXED, de-ns-ify nsHTMLTableAccessible
  282. # [16:44] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Is it legal in JS to do a thing like (condition ? then-statement : else-statement) into a function parameter so that one or the other gets passed? This is the only thing that I think makes my patch not work.
  283. # [16:45] <@davidb> MarcoZ: yes
  284. # [16:45] <@surkov> MarcoZ: I'd say it should be ok but I never did that
  285. # [16:46] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Should I do it via an if, then?
  286. # [16:46] <@MarcoZ> surkov: I'm referring to the changes in moveForward and moveBackward functions in the try blocks.
  287. # [16:46] <@surkov> you do something like foo((bla ? bla1: bla2))?
  288. # [16:47] <@surkov> ? operator works fine in js
  289. # [16:47] <@surkov> MarcoZ: can you alert the result to see what happens?
  290. # [16:48] <@MarcoZ> surkov: Looks like I need to. It currently does not work at all, not even standard nav, so something's broken, a typo or the like, something illegal, and this was the most unusual thing I could think of. I checked the other stuff, and didn't find any typos.
  291. # [16:48] <@surkov> MarcoZ: btw, you can do instead (rule || this.SimpleTraversalRule)
  292. # [16:49] <@surkov> js console is empty?
  293. # [16:49] <@surkov> what about catch?
  294. # [16:49] <@MarcoZ> surkov: There is no JS console on Fennec.
  295. # [16:49] <@surkov> anyway it should be empty because of try/catch block
  296. # [16:50] <@surkov> you can alert the error in catch block and see what fails
  297. # [16:53] <@MarcoZ> surkov: And I don't think the JS file is even in a condition to throw any alerts at me, since there might be something wrong in the syntax somewhere that makes it barf right away.
  298. # [16:53] <@MarcoZ> Like a compilation error in C++.
  299. # [16:55] <@davidb> MarcoZ: http://jslint.com/
  300. # [16:59] <@surkov> MarcoZ: if error in syntax then yes
  301. # [17:00] <@surkov> if it's an exception then you see it
  302. # [17:03] <@davidb> MarcoZ: in js when you have a pattern like foo ? foo : bar you can write it as foo || bar
  303. # [17:04] <@davidb> so calling a function you can just do my_fun(foo || bar) and it will do what you want
  304. # [17:04] <@davidb> and assignment works too
  305. # [17:04] <@davidb> x = a || b
  306. # [17:04] <@davidb> if a is falsey then b is assigned to x
  307. # [17:05] * @davidb likes js
  308. # [17:07] <icaaq> davidb, MarcoZ http://www.jshint.com/ is a bit nicer and a lot more good looking :)
  309. # [17:07] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Thanks!
  310. # [17:07] <@MarcoZ> davidb: So on jslint, I paste then hit "jslint" button?
  311. # [17:07] <@davidb> yeah
  312. # [17:07] <@davidb> and it should show errors below
  313. # [17:08] <@davidb> jshint looks good
  314. # [17:09] <@MarcoZ> Well, I gotta tell it to not stop at the first error. It barfs at 'use strict'; already for some reason.
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  316. # [17:13] <@MarcoZ> Oh and each time I make a change or paste the code it freezes my Firefox for a minute. *sigh*
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  324. # [17:27] <@MarcoZ> Hm, both jslint and jshint barf at the 'use strict'; statement, and the rest of the errors they then throw at me don't make sense whatsoever. :(
  325. # [17:27] * @MarcoZ is getting frustrated.
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  329. # [17:34] <@davidb> MarcoZ: email me the file?
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  331. # [17:38] <@MarcoZ> davidb: It's on its way!
  332. # [17:41] <@davidb> hmm
  333. # [17:41] <@davidb> eeejay: what is the command line lint tool b2g uses?
  334. # [17:45] <@davidb> MarcoZ: i'm not useful to you yet
  335. # [17:48] <@MarcoZ> davidb: No worries!
  336. # [17:49] <eeejay> davidb, gjslint
  337. # [17:49] <@davidb> eeejay: does gjslint understand const etc?
  338. # [17:49] <eeejay> davidb, yes
  339. # [17:49] <@MarcoZ> Yeah, jslint isn't useful at all. It even barfs at "const".
  340. # [17:50] <@davidb> MarcoZ: go for gjslint
  341. # [17:51] <eeejay> might want to supress docstrings for now too
  342. # [17:52] <eeejay> i run this: gjslint --additional_extensions=jsm --nojsdoc *.jsm
  343. # [17:52] <eeejay> oops, haven't done that in a while :P
  344. # [18:02] <Stevef> surkov; hi, just been looking at what firefox exposes as xml:roles any string in the role attribute for example <footer role="abbr">footer</footer> it gets xml: roles =abbr ??
  345. # [18:03] <@surkov> Stevef: it is I think
  346. # [18:05] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Interesting, gjslint doesn't find any errors in my patch. Let me refresh the patch on bug 762851 and push another try build. The one I had before had a completely broken directional controller.
  347. # [18:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762851 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Introduce single letter quick navigation keys
  348. # [18:05] <eeejay> MarcoZ, have you managed to build it in your local setup?
  349. # [18:06] <@davidb> Stevef: was this example in the wild?
  350. # [18:06] <eeejay> MarcoZ, i see the problem!
  351. # [18:07] <eeejay> MarcoZ, you put an assignment operator in an object definition
  352. # [18:07] <eeejay> AnchorTraversalRule = should be AnchorTraversalRule:
  353. # [18:07] <Stevef> davidb: no I was just looking at how stuff works, so is it that any role value gets passed as an exml;roles ?
  354. # [18:07] <@davidb> Stevef: yeah
  355. # [18:07] <@davidb> pretty much
  356. # [18:07] <Stevef> ok
  357. # [18:07] <@davidb> i seem to recall we might tweak something for landmarks
  358. # [18:11] <Stevef> I have no problem with the behaviour it makes extendinf role values easier :-) works same for UIA ARIACurrentRole property in IE
  359. # [18:13] <@davidb> yeah
  360. # [18:14] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Oops let me go in and fix that! Darn, I keep mixing up when we use : and when = in these constructs.
  361. # [18:18] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Corrected 'em all.
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  367. # [18:41] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Status on bug 762755 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  368. # [18:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762755 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, de-ns-ify nsXULMenuAccessible and nsXULListboxAccessible classes
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  370. # [18:43] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: I was afraid you might say that about that monstrous case statement. Problem is I didn't hae an idea how this should look in JS.
  371. # [18:44] <@MarcoZ> s/hae/have/
  372. # [18:44] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Furthermore, we need to distinct between shifted and non-shifted characters, where as the shifted one goes backwards.
  373. # [18:45] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: What you can do with the eyes-free keyboard is: You can turn it to typing mode even when there's no edit field in focus. So in theory, one should be able to quick nav using the keyboard in non-editing mode, too, and in such a case, the granularity would be welcomed I'm sure.
  374. # [18:47] <eeejay> MarcoZ, as for shifted vs. non shifted, it could be two hashmaps
  375. # [18:47] <eeejay> forwards and backwards
  376. # [18:48] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: OK. But how would I build such a beast?
  377. # [18:48] <eeejay> or better, a structure
  378. # [18:49] <eeejay> quicknavmap: {97: {AnchorTraversalRule, true}}
  379. # [18:49] <eeejay> etc.
  380. # [18:49] <eeejay> i mean square brackets on the inner one
  381. # [18:50] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: What's the true stand for? You mean true for forward and false for backwards?
  382. # [18:50] <eeejay> MarcoZ, do you find yourself ever using navigate by radio buttons? did you even have that key memorized?
  383. # [18:50] <eeejay> MarcoZ, yeah, or the other way around :)
  384. # [18:50] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: On pages I know well, I use these granular things all the time with NVDA, yes.
  385. # [18:51] <eeejay> MarcoZ, cool
  386. # [18:51] <@MarcoZ> The one thing I may not be using much is a for anchor and s for separator, but there may be pages where even these turn out to be extremely useful.
  387. # [18:52] <eeejay> MarcoZ, i guess I am less concerned about quicknav keys because the keyboard could accomodate them, but we will have to be careful with gestures. hopefully do it with a multiplier gesture like the ios rotor
  388. # [18:52] <@MarcoZ> So I have these {charValue: [rule, direction]} things. How do I then do the checks?
  389. # [18:53] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 631436 on bug 762754.
  390. # [18:53] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762754 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, rename nsXULTextAccessible files to XULEelementAccessibles
  391. # [18:53] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: I was thinking that. Even iOS offers granularity with form controls and the rotor.
  392. # [18:54] <eeejay> MarcoZ, cool
  393. # [18:54] <eeejay> MarcoZ, checks for what?
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  395. # [18:54] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: How do I then map the charValue into that array or object or whatever it will be, to get the correct rule and direction out?
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  397. # [18:55] <eeejay> MarcoZ, actually, i would do:
  398. # [18:56] <eeejay> {97: [AnchorTraversalRule, "moveNext"]}
  399. # [18:56] <eeejay> and then:
  400. # [18:57] <eeejay> let res = this.quickNavKeyMap[aEvent.keyCode];
  401. # [18:57] <eeejay> this[res[1]](document, false res[0])
  402. # [18:58] <eeejay> i think js 1.7 even has a thing for assigning multiple variables
  403. # [18:58] * eeejay looks
  404. # [18:58] <@MarcoZ> Geez! I get what you're saying...
  405. # [18:59] <eeejay> var rule, methodName;
  406. # [18:59] <eeejay> [rule, methodName] = this.quickNavKeyMap[aEvent.keyCode];
  407. # [19:00] <eeejay> this[methodName](document, false, rule)
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  409. # [19:01] <@MarcoZ> This is actually pretty nifty! I think we could go without an extra method and just put it in the one case statement, then. I'll give this a shot on Monday.
  410. # [19:02] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: var rule, methodName; not let rule, methodName;
  411. # [19:02] <@MarcoZ> ?
  412. # [19:02] <eeejay> MarcoZ, yeah let. sorry, i'm in pseudo mode. don't take me literally!
  413. # [19:03] <@MarcoZ> Understood!
  414. # [19:03] <@MarcoZ> Yeah that would be much nicer than that huge case statement.
  415. # [19:04] <@MarcoZ> I didn't quite get that thing about headings constructors you were talking about, though. Let me get this basic one up first.
  416. # [19:06] <@MarcoZ> But now, I'm off for the weekend. See you on Monday!
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  418. # [19:07] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Thanks for all your help!
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  420. # [19:08] <eeejay> MarcoZ, thanks for graciously accepting it!
  421. # [19:08] <eeejay> *bye*
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  430. # [19:43] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 762981 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  431. # [19:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762981 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Hit test fails inside video grouping
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  435. # [20:09] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 631469 on bug 756296.
  436. # [20:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756296 nor, --, mozilla16, eitan, NEW, nsIAccessiblePivot move to coordinate method
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  438. # [20:13] <@MarcoZ> Interesting...
  439. # [20:18] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 631471 on bug 761891.
  440. # [20:18] <@davidb> MarcoZ: ?
  441. # [20:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761891 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, HTML5 article element should expose xml-roles:article object attribute
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  443. # [20:54] <@MarcoZ> davidb: The fact that I was logged back in. ;)
  444. # [20:56] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested feedback from eitan@monotonous. org for attachment 631488 on bug 762851.
  445. # [20:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762851 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Introduce single letter quick navigation keys
  446. # [20:57] <@MarcoZ> OK, really off for the weekend now.
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  448. # [21:03] <capella> firebot: bedtime
  449. # [21:03] <@firebot> capella: Was it not... er, someone, who said: bedtime is Say goodnight Dick!
  450. # [21:03] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org granted feedback for attachment 631488 on bug 762851.
  451. # [21:08] <@davidb> wth
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  454. # [21:21] <@askalski> hi everyone!
  455. # [21:21] <@askalski> wow, there is an atmosphere now in Warsaw, these Euro Cup in Soccer was a good idea after all.
  456. # [21:22] <@askalski> hundreds thousands of people partying downtown, and apocalyptic-ally empty streets everywhere else!
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  463. # [22:03] <@davidb> askalski: :)
  464. # [22:04] <@davidb> askalski: i'll be watching england france on monday
  465. # [22:04] <@askalski> davidb, cool :)
  466. # [22:04] <@askalski> davidb, darn exams! some of my friends who emigrated west came back just for EURO cup
  467. # [22:04] <@davidb> ouch
  468. # [22:05] <@askalski> davidb, I think I will join them Tuesday 12
  469. # [22:05] <@askalski> for one day
  470. # [22:05] <@davidb> ah yes, you vs alexander
  471. # [22:05] <@hub> davidb: maybe by then Hockey will be over
  472. # [22:05] <@davidb> heh
  473. # [22:05] <@askalski> davidb, :D
  474. # [22:05] <@askalski> davidb, yeah, there is a lot of tension now in the country
  475. # [22:06] <@askalski> davidb, I am really worried before PL:RUS match
  476. # [22:06] <@davidb> violence?
  477. # [22:06] <@askalski> davidb, there is a 17% group of people in Poland who believe in conspiracy theory about President's plane crash in Russia in 2010.
  478. # [22:06] <@askalski> davidb, and some of them are violent right-wing
  479. # [22:07] <@davidb> :(
  480. # [22:07] <@askalski> davidb, I mean: european facist style :(
  481. # [22:07] <@davidb> well, england fans don't need an excuse to cause trouble
  482. # [22:07] <@davidb> sadly
  483. # [22:07] <@hub> it is not different from the north american style
  484. # [22:07] <@askalski> davidb, but we don't have London's police here :)
  485. # [22:07] <@hub> except that the north american one tends to be legitimized by the one in power
  486. # [22:08] <@hub> askalski: good think you don't
  487. # [22:08] <@hub> s/think/thing/
  488. # [22:08] <@askalski> davidb, good news is there is a very strict weapon law in Poland
  489. # [22:08] <@askalski> davidb, so voilence is easy to control with just water pumps etc
  490. # [22:08] <@askalski> davidb, no shots, no victims
  491. # [22:09] <@askalski> hub, yeah, we wont ever have, history lesson learnt here
  492. # [22:10] <@hub> here they rather fire rubber bullet, pepper spray, etc
  493. # [22:11] <@askalski> hub, yeah. but today it's calm
  494. # [22:11] <@hub> askalski: btw MozCamp europe is in Warsaw
  495. # [22:11] <@askalski> let's just all hope there will be no clash between PL and RUS next week
  496. # [22:12] <@askalski> cause hope is all we have :( no way to prevent it
  497. # [22:12] <@askalski> hub, yeah, I heard
  498. # [22:13] <@askalski> hub, but they do it in the middle of summer break
  499. # [22:14] <@askalski> hub, which is super sad
  500. # [22:14] <@askalski> davidb, hmm, I just came up with an idea
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  502. # [22:14] * @davidb braces
  503. # [22:15] <@askalski> davidb, the best way to capture programmer's attention in poland
  504. # [22:15] <@askalski> davidb, is to do a competition
  505. # [22:15] <@askalski> davidb, does Mozilla have a buget to sponsor one?
  506. # [22:15] <@davidb> i suspect yes
  507. # [22:16] <@davidb> it is about convincing
  508. # [22:16] <@askalski> davidb, well, we have one of the largest database of ACM-style problem set
  509. # [22:16] * @davidb nods
  510. # [22:16] <@askalski> davidb, and head of faculty - which I contacted someone from Mozilla - suggested that once already
  511. # [22:17] <@askalski> davidb, a typical competition captures attention of 300 ACM teams, around 800 competitors
  512. # [22:17] <@askalski> davidb, from all around the country
  513. # [22:17] <@askalski> davidb, it's our national "sport"
  514. # [22:17] <@davidb> i doubt we have the energy to organize it this year
  515. # [22:17] <@askalski> davidb, right. but also, there are competitions like this happening for example in Poznań
  516. # [22:18] <@askalski> davidb, and Kraków. So there are several opportunities to show up
  517. # [22:18] <@askalski> davidb, as sponsor
  518. # [22:18] <@davidb> i recall we discussed this before :)
  519. # [22:18] <@askalski> davidb, and connect some kind of event to it
  520. # [22:18] <@askalski> davidb, yeah, but we focused on World Finals, which were all set back then
  521. # [22:19] <@davidb> i'm really the wrong person… you could reach out to …. hmmm.
  522. # [22:19] <@askalski> davidb, btw, we were #2, Russians won
  523. # [22:19] <@askalski> davidb, they won with time difference, not solution numbers. but it was a fair win anyway.
  524. # [22:20] <@davidb> jill alvarez
  525. # [22:22] <@askalski> ^?
  526. # [22:22] <@askalski> davidb, ah, right
  527. # [22:22] <@davidb> yeah
  528. # [22:38] <@davidb> ok, fight the good fight
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  530. # [23:03] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 759833 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  531. # [23:03] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 759833 to FIXED.
  532. # [23:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759833 nor, --, mozilla16, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, ARIA documents should fire document loading events
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  535. # [23:06] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 762389 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  536. # [23:06] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 762389 to FIXED.
  537. # [23:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762389 nor, --, mozilla16, markcapella, RESO FIXED, de-ns-ify nsXULTreeAccessible and nsXULTreeGridAccessible
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  541. # [23:47] <firewolfbot> jbecerra@mozilla.com changed the Component on bug 760571 from Untriaged to Disability Access.
  542. # [23:47] <firewolfbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760571 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Selected <option> in a <select> does not meet WCAG 2.0 AA minimum contrast requirements
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