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- # Session Start: Tue Jun 12 00:00:02 2012
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [02:23] <capella> davidb: ? Didn't expect to see you ..
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- # [02:49] <@hub> 8 minutes into the WWC keynote, Apple promote a GPS app used by people with disabilities
- # [02:49] <@eeejay> nice
- # [02:50] <@hub> I'll if I can find a link to the single video
- # [02:50] <@hub> eeejay: there is apparently more about a11y later
- # [03:04] <@eeejay> hub, don't you wish you stayed?
- # [03:07] <@davidb> hi capella
- # [03:07] <capella> hey!
- # [03:07] <@davidb> i often don't show my presence in the evening but i'm usual up to something :)
- # [03:08] <capella> ah ... well, dont hurt yourself :)
- # [03:08] <@davidb> heheh
- # [03:08] <@davidb> i have this urge to go running in the rain
- # [03:09] <@davidb> hi mdcurran
- # [03:09] <@hub> eeejay: no.
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- # [03:10] <@davidb> hub, eeejay you know what Jennison would love and i think it would be amazing if we pulled it off… a service/system for telling you if someone you know is nearby.
- # [03:10] <@davidb> i know this exists
- # [03:10] <@davidb> but if we made it more central to the web it could take off
- # [03:10] <@hub> davidb: yes I know
- # [03:10] <@davidb> figured you did
- # [03:10] <@hub> davidb: it was also discussed at CSUN
- # [03:10] <@hub> in one of the talks I attended
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- # [03:11] <@davidb> i brought it up with identity and apps
- # [03:11] <@davidb> there is some interest
- # [03:11] <@hub> GPS + bluetooth / wifi
- # [03:11] * @davidb nods
- # [03:12] <@davidb> at UofT we had a system based on wifi… for detecting location in a building
- # [03:12] <@davidb> it was interesting… ran lots of experiments
- # [03:12] <@davidb> turned out 'ranking' signal strength as a signature to a location gave the best accuracy
- # [03:13] <@hub> GPS precision isn't great, but is fine for coarse location
- # [03:13] <@davidb> sure
- # [03:13] <@davidb> also, users could "check in"
- # [03:13] <@hub> BT has a small range so it should help for proximity
- # [03:13] <@davidb> the hard part is buy-in
- # [03:14] <@davidb> hub: which talk?
- # [03:14] <@davidb> who?
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- # [03:15] <@hub> davidb: I forgot which talk it was
- # [03:15] <@davidb> i'll ask the J
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- # [03:16] <@hub> davidb: I think it was that talk http://www.csun.edu/cod/conference/sessions/index.php/public/presentations/view/632
- # [03:16] <@hub> but I'm the one thinking of the technology
- # [03:16] <@hub> we could use
- # [03:16] <@davidb> ok
- # [03:16] <@hub> the talk just mentionned how there was nothing to do it, and that BT helped
- # [03:17] <@hub> by putting your name in it
- # [03:17] <@davidb> i think mozilla building out a trusted identity system is key
- # [03:18] <@hub> maybe we should put that on either a meeting poitn of order, or our work week
- # [03:18] <@davidb> maybe all b2g phones could have this :)
- # [03:18] <@davidb> hub: it is a good idea
- # [03:18] <@hub> yeah
- # [03:18] <@hub> and maybe Android with Firefox
- # [03:18] <@davidb> hub: mind emailing marco for agenda addition?
- # [03:18] <@hub> ok
- # [03:18] <@davidb> ta
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- # [03:19] <@davidb> i mean, we all want Jennison stalking us right?
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- # [03:20] <@hub> sure
- # [03:20] <@hub> so we can go party !!!
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- # [03:26] <@davidb> lol
- # [03:26] <@davidb> if you gotta live, you might as well have fun doing it.
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- # [03:30] <@hub> exactly
- # [03:39] <@hub> davidb: mountain lion will have "dictation"
- # [03:39] <@hub> davidb: could impact us
- # [03:40] * @davidb nods
- # [03:40] <@davidb> i am picturing a mountain lion with a pad and pencil
- # [03:41] <@hub> Safari stole our awesome bar
- # [03:41] <@hub> ...
- # [03:41] <@hub> and pretend to be faster than FF13
- # [03:41] <@hub> and Chrome wahtever
- # [03:43] <@hub> and iCloud tabs = Firefox Sync
- # [03:43] <@hub> but in Safari
- # [03:43] <@hub> *sigh*
- # [03:43] <@davidb> it isn't really suprising
- # [03:43] <@davidb> it is war
- # [03:44] <@davidb> they'll never take… our freedom!
- # [03:44] <@davidb> iFreedom
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- # [04:05] <tbsaunde> davidb: oh no don't give me freedom I want apple to keep making decisions for me
- # [04:05] <tbsaunde> pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease
- # [04:06] <@davidb> heheh
- # [04:06] <@davidb> you don't want to iThink for yourself?
- # [04:06] <@hub> I did iPoop
- # [04:06] <@davidb> ew
- # [04:06] <@hub> sorry I had to make that one :-)
- # [04:06] <@davidb> hahaha
- # [04:06] <@davidb> i have kids… i can take the potty humor
- # [04:07] <@hub> iCS is not theirs either
- # [04:07] <@davidb> tbsaunde: are you using the MBP with linux?
- # [04:07] <@davidb> debian i think?
- # [04:08] <tbsaunde> davidb: yes, and yes
- # [04:09] <@davidb> groovy
- # [04:09] <tbsaunde> davidb: why?
- # [04:09] <@davidb> tbsaunde: turning full time might come with hardware
- # [04:09] * tbsaunde probably won't be buying mac's in the future
- # [04:10] <tbsaunde> davidb: yeah, I sort of expected that :)
- # [04:10] <@davidb> hehe
- # [04:11] <@hub> tbsaunde: thinkpad X I guess
- # [04:11] <@hub> :-)
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- # [04:11] <tbsaunde> hub: yeah, that's my current thinking
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- # [04:40] <@hub> here we go at 97:00 in the keynote: Guided Access
- # [04:41] <@hub> it is about locking UI elements to lock the current app
- # [04:41] <@hub> for people with learning disabilities
- # [04:41] <@hub> amongst other things
- # [04:45] <@davidb> that sounds… odd.
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- # [04:49] <@hub> davidb: it actually make sense
- # [04:49] <@davidb> what does lock mean?
- # [04:49] <@davidb> disable?
- # [04:49] <@hub> make it inactive
- # [04:49] <@hub> yeah
- # [04:49] <@davidb> ok
- # [04:50] <@davidb> do they hide it as well?
- # [04:50] <@hub> I think
- # [04:50] <@davidb> i was thinking that mobile apps have nice simpler interfaces
- # [04:51] <@davidb> i'd like to be able to set an app tab to mobile
- # [04:52] <@hub> *sigh* another hard to rebase patch
- # [04:52] <@hub> *sigh*
- # [04:52] <@davidb> :(
- # [04:53] <@hub> with all that renaming
- # [04:53] <@hub> happening
- # [04:54] <capella> (sorry)
- # [04:55] <tbsaunde> hub: again git makes that so much easier :)
- # [04:58] <@hub> is there a git bzexport?
- # [04:58] <@davidb> and hockey is finished
- # [04:59] <@hub> 6-1?
- # [04:59] <@hub> wow
- # [04:59] <@davidb> (i didn't watch)
- # [05:00] <tbsaunde> hub: yes, git-bz :)
- # [05:00] <@hub> neither
- # [05:00] <@hub> tbsaunde: ok then
- # [05:01] <tbsaunde> hub: note you want jlabbar's version for mozilla which knows how to set r?
- # [05:03] <@hub> mmm
- # [05:03] <@hub> ok.
- # [05:03] <@hub> I'll look into it tomorrow I thinkg
- # [05:05] <tbsaunde> hub: fyi https://github.com/jlebar/moz-git-tools
- # [05:06] <@hub> tbsaunde: sold!
- # [05:07] <@hub> ok, running home now
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- # [06:51] <@hub> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763819
- # [06:51] <@hub> since there is no firebot
- # [06:51] <@hub> I'll have a look at it tomorrow
- # [06:51] <@hub> looks like it is related to the whitelisting
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- # [07:08] <capella> firebot dead ... try servers sleeping ... bah! i need my clock cycles
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- # [09:47] * @MarcoZ is totally psyched about this quick nav feature he's working on for accessible Fennec.
- # [09:55] <capella> yah ... sounds like you've got others happy too!
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- # [10:06] <capella> firebot: are you alive?
- # [10:06] <@firebot> capella: yes
- # [10:06] <capella> woo hoo!
- # [10:13] <@firebot> I'm back.. If there's any problems with me - please let Wolf know at firebot-admin[@]psychoticwolf.net or file a bug.. Thanks.
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- # [10:49] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 632045 on bug 760880.
- # [10:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760880 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, decomtaminate Is Column / Row / Cell Selected() on accessible tables
- # [10:54] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 632119 on bug 759817.
- # [10:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759817 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, Repair an inheritance issue
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- # [11:33] <@MarcoZ> capella: Objections to me landing patch for bug 761943 on aurora on your behalf?
- # [11:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761943 cri, --, mozilla16, markcapella, RESO FIXED, crash in nsXULListitemAccessible::NativeInteractiveState
- # [11:33] <capella> marcoz: none at all !
- # [11:35] <capella> marcoz: i was following that part where surkov flagged it for aurora and then it got approved, didnt know if there was aanything
- # [11:35] <capella> i needed to do or if it was on autopilot
- # [11:39] <@MarcoZ> capella: Nope, we just have to land it with an added a=whoever_approved to the commit message.
- # [11:40] <capella> land it to mozilla-inbound or mozilla-aurora kinda thing?
- # [11:40] <@MarcoZ> capella: Land it to mozilla-aurora.
- # [11:40] <@MarcoZ> It's already on inbound. :)
- # [11:41] <capella> ah! so there was something .... i could have done this
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- # [11:46] <@MarcoZ> capella: You still can if you so wish, I haven't pushed it yet, since I'm trying to figure out the tbpl changes. I can't seem to get the actually unstarred builds to show any more. :)
- # [11:47] <@MarcoZ> So if you'd rather go ahead with the push yourself, just let me know and I'll just throw out the effort. :)
- # [11:47] <capella> no - please continue ... ill figure that out later on
- # [11:49] <capella> i noticed something with unstarred fails sometimes earlier too ... you can still star them with a comment i think
- # [11:51] <capella> marcoz: so to push to inbound, i created a clone of mozilla-inbound in addition to my working mozilla-central
- # [11:51] <capella> if i want to push to aurora, ill have to clone that repo also wont i ? so i can hg pull -u / synch before the push?
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- # [11:58] <@MarcoZ> capella: Yes, you have to clone releases/mozilla-aurora if you want to push to it. And keep it updated whenever you need to land something there.
- # [11:58] <@MarcoZ> However, since that is not often the case, you might as well ask me since I'm sheriffing that for the accessibility team.
- # [11:58] <capella> right - will set that up for next time
- # [11:59] <capella> i mean ... as in depend on you to do it for me
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- # [12:00] <capella> and save me disk space
- # [12:08] <tbsaunde> MarcoZ: you can push to m-a from a tree cloned from m-c ifyou pull from m-a first
- # [12:09] <tbsaunde> MarcoZ: in principal what I do is hg pull -u m-a && hg qimport patch && hg qpush && hg qfinish -a && hg push -r tip m-a
- # [12:10] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde: Yeah but that adds all kinds of extra stuff to an m-c cloned repo. Makes me feel uneasy. :)
- # [12:12] <tbsaunde> MarcoZ: I've never tried to quantify it but I expect not that much since not much lands there
- # [12:12] <tbsaunde> having to use -r tip when you push is a little anoying though tbh
- # [12:13] <@MarcoZ> :)
- # [12:15] <@firebot> graememcc_firefox@graeme-online.co.uk changed the Status on bug 761891 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [12:15] <@firebot> graememcc_firefox@graeme-online.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 761891 to FIXED.
- # [12:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761891 nor, --, mozilla16, dbolter, RESO FIXED, HTML5 article element should expose xml-roles:article object attribute
- # [12:16] <@firebot> graememcc_firefox@graeme-online.co.uk changed the Status on bug 760881 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
- # [12:16] <@firebot> graememcc_firefox@graeme-online.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 760881 to FIXED.
- # [12:16] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760881 nor, --, mozilla16, markcapella, RESO FIXED, decomtaminate Select Row / Column() on accessible tables
- # [12:17] <@firebot> graememcc_firefox@graeme-online.co.uk changed the Status on bug 763146 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
- # [12:17] <@firebot> graememcc_firefox@graeme-online.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 763146 to FIXED.
- # [12:17] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763146 nor, --, mozilla16, markcapella, RESO FIXED, put TextUpdater into a11y namespace
- # [12:17] <@firebot> graememcc_firefox@graeme-online.co.uk changed the Status on bug 763148 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
- # [12:18] <@firebot> graememcc_firefox@graeme-online.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 763148 to FIXED.
- # [12:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763148 nor, --, mozilla16, markcapella, RESO FIXED, put Relation into a11y namespace
- # [12:24] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com set status-firefox15 to fixed on bug 761943.
- # [12:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761943 cri, --, mozilla16, markcapella, RESO FIXED, crash in nsXULListitemAccessible::NativeInteractiveState
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- # [12:26] <@MarcoZ> capella: And it's in! :)
- # [12:26] <capella> woo hoo! B)
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- # [12:58] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 632194 on bug 762851.
- # [12:58] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 762851 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
- # [12:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762851 nor, --, ---, marco.zehe, ASSI, [AccessFu] Introduce single letter quick navigation keys
- # [13:00] <@MarcoZ> \-O-/
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- # [13:12] <capella> marcoz: is gonna hurt his arm patting himself on the back :P
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- # [13:23] <@MarcoZ> capella: :P
- # [13:29] <capella> marcoz: looks like your try push has a couple orange
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- # [14:13] <@MarcoZ> capella: Looking. Although none of this stuff should actually be running in tests, since it only gets instanciated if Talkback or some other Android accessibility is active.
- # [14:14] <capella> looks like all the same error
- # [14:15] <capella> so .... not your problem
- # [14:17] <capella> TRY server is like 1200 / 299 and my jobs are taking forever
- # [14:18] <@MarcoZ> capella: Yeah that's what I am seeing. All the test machines are on "pending", meaning they haven't caught up. The build was successful, and so is manual testing of that try build. :)
- # [14:19] <capella> good for you! ive got like one thing left to post then im gonna crash for a few hours
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- # [14:32] <@firebot> capella: Was it not... er, someone, who said: bedtime is Say goodnight Dick!
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- # [15:30] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Hi! And thanks for your PM! :)
- # [15:30] <@davidb> heyo
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- # [15:48] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Did you look at the patch? :) What do you think about the way I generate the keystroke, stripping out the metaKey ?
- # [15:51] <@davidb> MarcoZ: I didn't notice that part. What is that about?
- # [15:53] <@davidb> ah
- # [15:53] <@davidb> i see - tricky
- # [15:54] <@MarcoZ> Basically, it allows to pass the original letter through to the web site (except of course when you're in editable areas). So, pressing Meta+h, for example, will pass the h key through, in case the web site does anything with it the user wants to utilize. Kind of a pass-key-through feature.
- # [15:54] <@davidb> got it thanks
- # [15:54] <@MarcoZ> davidb: And for the original key to be passed, we of course need to strip the pass-through modifier. :) It's an idea eeejay had in his last feedback comment, and I implemented it. :)
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- # [15:56] <@davidb> does it break anything? do web apps sometimes listen to meta key combos?
- # [15:57] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I've *never* seen one on the desktop, and here, we're talking about mobile. I find it very unlikely. I've never seen a web site require the user to press the WindowsKey+someOtherKey. That's the "meta" key, the Windows key on Windows, the cmd key on Mac.
- # [15:58] <@davidb> good
- # [15:58] <@davidb> nice trick then :)
- # [15:58] <@MarcoZ> For mobile, we could also have chosen the alt key, since we don't have a menu bar to open there, but meta is, I think, the least one to conflict with anything.
- # [16:00] <@davidb> yeah plus we want to be able to use this on desktop
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- # [16:00] <icaaq> Do you know of any AT that uses the lang attribute?
- # [16:01] <@davidb> unsure
- # [16:03] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: JaWS does, and NVDA does with eSpeak, too.
- # [16:03] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: iOS does as well.
- # [16:03] <@MarcoZ> We could do that in Android I'm sure... *g*
- # [16:04] <icaaq> MarcoZ: Thanks!
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- # [16:04] * @MarcoZ 's brain is ticking again...With possibilities to support the lang attribute.
- # [16:04] <@davidb> MarcoZ: not surprised about those 3
- # [16:06] <@davidb> MarcoZ: Alon's port to js is speak… i'm thinking b2g
- # [16:07] <icaaq> MarcoZ: iOS, really? /me testing
- # [16:10] <@MarcoZ> davidb: We're thinking along the same lines. But even in Android with Talkback on, we should be able to get a list of voices for a given language, and use the first (which is probably also the only) to speak text in that language. What we'nd need to do is look in the element or the ancestry for the lang attribute, and things become a bit trickier when textruns with embedded spans in different languages are being used.
- # [16:11] <@MarcoZ> But I think our text attributes are pretty smart already and provide us with the correct info IIRC.
- # [16:11] <@davidb> sounds good to me
- # [16:11] <@MarcoZ> (the ones in our nsIAccessibile* interfaces, that is.
- # [16:14] <icaaq> is it the same with hreflang?
- # [16:15] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: Never heard about that one...
- # [16:15] <@MarcoZ> besides lang I only know xml:lang from the XHTML days.
- # [16:20] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Anything else to add to https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Meetings/2012-06-13
- # [16:24] <icaaq> MarcoZ: From the spec: The http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/links.html#adef-hreflang attribute provides user agents with information about the language of a resource at the end of a link, just as the http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/dirlang.html#adef-lang attribute provides information about the language of an element's content or attribute values.
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- # [16:28] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: Are you sure this is a human language, not rather a language like "HTML", "XHTML" or the like?
- # [16:28] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: FWIW, I've *never* seen it used anywhere.
- # [16:29] <icaaq> MarcoZ: yes i'm sure :) The hreflang attribute on http://developers.whatwg.org/text-level-semantics.html#the-a-element and http://developers.whatwg.org/the-map-element.html#the-area-element elements that create http://developers.whatwg.org/links.html#hyperlink, if present, gives the language of the linked resource. It is purely advisory. The value must be a valid BCP 47 language tag.
- # [16:31] <icaaq> I've used it on the Stockholm Municipality site, www.stockholm.se
- # [16:32] <icaaq> the link "language" has that attribute :)
- # [16:33] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: Again, I have not seen it used anywhere, and I know we don't support it when calculating the language of a text run for accessibility.
- # [16:34] <icaaq> MarcoZ: Ok, Thanks again.
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- # [16:37] <icaaq> MarcoZ: and sorry if I spam my messages with long links.
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- # [16:45] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: No worries! :)
- # [17:00] * @MarcoZ starts to hold his breath. The west coast is slowly waking up....
- # [17:00] <icaaq> hmm, this makes me shiver, taken from the webpagemaker site https://webpagemaker-dev.allizom.org/en-US/editor
- # [17:00] <icaaq> <div id="publish-button" class="nav-button enabled">
- # [17:00] <icaaq> Publish
- # [17:00] <icaaq> <span id="publish-pulldown"> </span>
- # [17:00] <icaaq> </div>
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- # [17:32] <@davidb> tbsaunde: yeah, spec makes me less nervous, but i still don't know what's going on in that bug.
- # [17:33] <tbsaunde> davidb: I haven't thought about it at all
- # [17:33] <tbsaunde> davidb: is bug 763935 a security bug?
- # [17:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763935 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Error: Image corrupt or truncated
- # [17:34] <tbsaunde> oh, guess not ;)
- # [17:34] <tbsaunde> just wondered why I didn't see anything else about it
- # [17:34] <@davidb> odd regression range
- # [17:35] <tbsaunde> davidb: it doesn't seem that hard to debug though, just cause state() to be called and walk through with a debugger
- # [17:35] <@davidb> right
- # [17:35] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde: That bug about the image truncation doesn't sound like one of ours at all. :)
- # [17:35] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 760354 from --- to mozilla16.
- # [17:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760354 nor, --, mozilla16, markcapella, ASSI, implement IsInDocument as accessible flag
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- # [17:52] <@davidb> heh
- # [17:53] <@davidb> trying to set breakpoints and forgetting to leave off "ns"
- # [17:53] <@davidb> why is that first backtrace always so slow
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- # [17:56] <@hub> don't know if you saw that one: http://digitalunion.osu.edu/2012/06/08/android-still-not-very-accessible/
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- # [18:09] <@MarcoZ> hub: This echoes what I'm finding. Inconsistent, esp on the tablet it's still very shaky, and I never know if Talkback will actually talk to me when I next wake it up. The Galaxy Nexus is a bit better, but esp the requirement to tap exactly where the item is has been frustrating. For example, I was not able to log into my wifi without help from my girlfriend because of the inaccessibility of the standard keyboard.
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- # [18:13] <@hub> MarcoZ: notice that they give you credit for Accessibility in Firefox :-)
- # [18:13] <@hub> MarcoZ: the fact that the OEM can replace the keyboard with one that is not accessible is a huge pile of fail
- # [18:19] <@MarcoZ> hub: Well, not only the OEM, even Google's stock Android shipped on its reference model, the Galaxy Nexus, is inaccessible. You *always* have to install the Eyes-Free keyboard from the market, regardless of the device. Even the CM9 distribution requires you to do that.
- # [18:19] <@hub> MarcoZ: doh. that's really bad
- # [18:19] <@MarcoZ> Hub: Oh and I did notice that and think I should set the record straight. :)
- # [18:27] <@MarcoZ> Commented. It's awaiting moderation.
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- # [19:00] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, howdy
- # [19:05] <@hub> ok, going to the office
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- # [19:09] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Hi!
- # [19:09] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, hey reviewing now
- # [19:09] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, does your phone have a meta key?
- # [19:09] * @MarcoZ holds his breath.
- # [19:09] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Not sure.
- # [19:10] <@MarcoZ> But there were key combinations that simply didn't do anything, so it's either that or I have a ctrl or alt key.
- # [19:10] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: I adapted the code for the generation of the key event from B2G's shell.js file.
- # [19:11] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, have you tested it?
- # [19:11] <@MarcoZ> Yes.
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- # [19:13] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, with a bluetooth keyboard? how?
- # [19:14] <@MarcoZ> I tested it on the HTC with the physical keyboard.
- # [19:14] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, the passthrough feature too?
- # [19:14] <@MarcoZ> I *think* so. I didn't have any sighted assistance to tell me whether one of the keys is actually a meta key.
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- # [19:15] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, gotcha. r=me without the passthrough key feature. i think it deserves a separate patch. and this patch is awesome enough that it should not be blocked by it
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- # [19:16] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: OK! Should I just add the meta key to the other if statement for now so that we simply fall through if it is used?
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- # [19:16] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, yeah, that sounds right
- # [19:17] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org granted review for attachment 632194 on bug 762851.
- # [19:17] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762851 nor, --, ---, marco.zehe, ASSI, [AccessFu] Introduce single letter quick navigation keys
- # [19:18] * @MarcoZ beams.
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- # [19:22] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: I *had* the TraversalRules object below the VirtualCursorController at first, and it didn't work.
- # [19:22] <@davidb> tbsaunde, capella, what do you think about bug 570785?
- # [19:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=570785 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, Add about:memory report for our accessibility cache
- # [19:22] <@davidb> you've both tinkered with it, but it would be great for someone to drive it home
- # [19:23] <@MarcoZ> It appears to have to be above the other one, or the referencing doesn't work. I had to move it up, no other changes, and it started working.
- # [19:24] <@davidb> MarcoZ: agenda looks fine - sorry for late reply
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- # [19:26] <@MarcoZ> davidb: OK!
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- # [19:35] <@MarcoZ> WHAT! THE! FUCK! I just had MozillaBluild bring up the default editor for the first time. I wanted to do an edit of a commit message from hg. And this thing threw me int BLOODY Emacs! I don't believe this!
- # [19:35] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, ok. no worries, you could land it without moving it
- # [19:35] <@MarcoZ> Only VIM could've been worse!
- # [19:36] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, you are obviously not an emacspeak user :)
- # [19:36] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Yeah. I'm surprised you suggesting I move it down to the end of the file. I believe I read somewhere that things have to be defined before they can be used in JS. And "before" being literally, above first usage.
- # [19:37] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, oooh
- # [19:37] <@MarcoZ> I *never* got my head around this editor, or VIM. They are just so over the top of my head usability-wise that I decided I *don't* want any part of these.
- # [19:37] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, it is a parse time. so typically it would not be a problem, but because of the keymap definition it is
- # [19:38] <@MarcoZ> Yeah, so it is actually correct to leave it at the top. Going to land in a few minutes.
- # [19:38] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, awesome
- # [19:42] <@hub> emacs is usable
- # [19:42] <capella> davidb: there's too much there I'm having to learn as I go, to be able to come up with anything more useful quickly ...
- # [19:42] <capella> I'ts interesting, but tinkering is the right word to describe my attentions so far. You saw I've been cranking out rote changes like
- # [19:42] <capella> de-ns-ify and de-xp-com lately, easily handled and turned over fast. If you'd like me to stay with this one, I'd need a resource with
- # [19:42] <@hub> it is like a giant terminal
- # [19:42] <@hub> :-)
- # [19:42] <capella> lots of patience and time to pester with questions. If you want to move this faster, it'd most likely be better to just let that person do it?
- # [19:43] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 762851 from --- to mozilla16.
- # [19:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762851 nor, --, mozilla16, marco.zehe, ASSI, [AccessFu] Introduce single letter quick navigation keys
- # [19:44] <@MarcoZ> Iiiiiiit iiiiiis iiiiiiiin!!!!!
- # [19:45] <@davidb> twss
- # [19:46] <@MarcoZ> And now I'm going off for the night. JS doesn't compile, and because of the last try-build I did earlier, I'm confident.
- # [19:46] <@davidb> MarcoZ: be happy
- # [19:46] <@MarcoZ> s/doesn't compile/doesn't get compiled/
- # [19:46] <capella> marcoz: is having trouble containing himself these days :)
- # [19:46] <@davidb> i love it
- # [19:46] <@MarcoZ> capella: Yeah, I feel enthusiastic, and I'm not shy to show it sometimes.
- # [19:47] <capella> happy happy joy joy
- # [19:47] <@MarcoZ> G'night all!
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- # [20:01] <capella> davidb: reply? thoughts? comments?
- # [20:01] <@davidb> capella: where?
- # [20:01] <@davidb> oh
- # [20:01] <capella> oh ... maybe you missed it
- # [20:01] <@davidb> wow i'm behind here. reading.
- # [20:01] <capella> laughs
- # [20:02] <@davidb> capella: makes sense.
- # [20:02] <@davidb> i'll see what tbsaunde says
- # [20:04] <capella> ok ... as I said .... if he has the time and patience, or you have someone else to talk to. im happy to help
- # [20:05] <capella> gotta bail for now - dentist appt...
- # [20:06] <@davidb> ouch
- # [20:07] <@davidb> good luck
- # [20:07] <@davidb> no dev meeting today
- # [20:07] <@davidb> hub, eeejay etc ^
- # [20:07] <@eeejay> gtk
- # [20:07] <@davidb> Marcia is doing a brown bag on CrashKill in one hour though
- # [20:09] <@hub> eeejay: there is a gtk3 port in progress for Firefox. I wonder how this will affect a11y
- # [20:09] <@eeejay> hub, yeah i'm cced on the bug
- # [20:09] <@eeejay> good q
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- # [20:26] <Stevef> davidb: hi any known reason why firefox maps <svg> to IA2 role diagram rather than img role?
- # [20:27] <@davidb> Stevef: by request - but don't recall details
- # [20:27] <Stevef> davidb: definition does not match "Represents a graphical image used to diagram data. "
- # [20:27] <@davidb> i'd agree
- # [20:28] <Stevef> davidb: just doing aapi stuff and found that, will file a bug, not a biggy, IE maps to graphic
- # [20:28] <@davidb> thanks
- # [20:29] <Stevef> is there any documentation anyhwere on how FF maps element names to MSAA role?
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- # [20:29] <Stevef> want to document that and obect attribute stuff
- # [20:29] <Stevef> object attribute
- # [20:29] <@davidb> we have some older notes.. but we have a dude working on something that should/could automate it nicely
- # [20:30] <@davidb> askalski
- # [20:30] <@davidb> oh!
- # [20:31] <@davidb> nah
- # [20:34] <@hub> eeejay: you going to Guadec this year?
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- # [20:35] <Stevef> davidb: ok waht i want to do for now is have a prose explanation of it in the aapi doc
- # [20:36] <@eeejay> hub, nope. you?
- # [20:37] <@hub> eeejay: nope
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- # [20:38] <@eeejay> i don't love going to europe in the summer. (first world problems)
- # [20:38] <@eeejay> but i love guadec. so a year off is good
- # [20:38] <@hub> me it is just that my schedule is off
- # [20:38] <@hub> like I don't even know which airport to fly from
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- # [20:42] <@eeejay> hub, did you move yet?
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- # [20:42] <@eeejay> dumb q. when are you moving?
- # [20:45] <@davidb> the quick nav stuff is cool
- # [20:52] <@davidb> eeejay: first step is selling
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- # [21:15] <@davidb> hi aaronlev_vermont!
- # [21:19] <@hub> eeejay: no I didn't. I will move when somebody buys my sh*t
- # [21:19] <@eeejay> hehe
- # [21:19] <@hub> eeejay: and the market is getting bad right now
- # [21:19] <@hub> :-/
- # [21:19] <@eeejay> sorry!
- # [21:20] <@eeejay> hub, i am considering buying with my housemates, but vancouver is a bit too far
- # [21:20] <@hub> eeejay: also it is too small for housemates
- # [21:20] <@eeejay> i bet
- # [21:21] <@davidb> eeejay: so b2g runs the same subset of mochitests as fennec… i think we need to make sure fennec runs our a11y tests… does it?
- # [21:22] <@eeejay> davidb, no idea!
- # [21:22] <@davidb> harumph
- # [21:22] * @davidb looks at tbpl
- # [21:22] <@davidb> i don't see any oth
- # [21:23] * @davidb gets ready to file a bug
- # [21:23] <@davidb> although
- # [21:24] <@davidb> Eff
- # [21:24] <@davidb> i'm missing the crashkill brownbag
- # [21:32] <@hub> I cna't build b2g anymore
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- # [21:40] <@davidb> eeejay: bug 764105
- # [21:40] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=764105 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add mochitest-a11y test suite to Android tests
- # [21:41] <@eeejay> davidb, thanks!
- # [21:41] <@davidb> np
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- # [22:05] <@askalski> hi everyone!
- # [22:09] <@davidb> heyo
- # [22:09] <@davidb> askalski: exams?
- # [22:11] <@askalski> davidb, maximum score
- # [22:11] <@askalski> davidb, 20 minutes
- # [22:11] <@askalski> davidb, Poland plays agains Russia now, I can't watch, too much emotions
- # [22:11] <@askalski> davidb, I'll hack some python then
- # [22:12] <@davidb> heh
- # [22:12] <@davidb> congrats on exam
- # [22:13] <@firebot> New Firefox - Disability Access bug 764118 filed by faulkner.steve@gmail.com.
- # [22:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=764118 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, svg element role is diagram
- # [22:14] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 764119 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
- # [22:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=764119 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Add preference for explore by touch
- # [22:15] <Stevef> davidb: bug filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=764118
- # [22:15] <@davidb> ta
- # [22:16] <Stevef> davidb: sorry saw it alrady appeared auto like :-)
- # [22:16] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 632374 on bug 764119.
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- # [22:43] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 632388 on bug 758799.
- # [22:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758799 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] remove mIsExpired from mozAccessible
- # [22:43] <@hub> oh firebot, I missed you
- # [22:47] <@davidb> eeejay: when do you need review by?
- # [22:48] <@davidb> i'll be online later
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- # [22:48] <@askalski> Poland vs. Russia - 1:1
- # [22:48] <@askalski> the peaceful solution
- # [22:49] <@askalski> now let's hope they don't try to settle this other way
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- # [22:51] <@hub> askalski: at least in hockey we do overtime and eventually shoot outs :-)
- # [22:52] <@askalski> hub, that would be totally unsafe here. whoever would won, the battle would start
- # [22:52] <@askalski> hub, our police was professional today, they separated the groups well so far
- # [22:53] <@askalski> hub, in general, the Euro 2012 is going surprisingly well, I feel a bit dumb being so pessimistic about it
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- # [22:54] <@askalski> hub, now, 17th we play against Czech Republic. They were supper effective against Greece today
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- # [23:11] <@askalski> firebot, ping
- # [23:11] <@firebot> askalski: pong
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- # [23:23] <Stevef> davidb: webkits implementation of <header> is nice if in <article> or <section> role=group otherwise role=banner https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78992
- # [23:27] <Stevef> davidb: same goes for <footer> if in <article> or <section> role=group otherwise role=contentinfo
- # [23:43] <@firebot> nicolas@probablement.net changed the Status on bug 763272 from UNCONFIRMED to RESOLVED.
- # [23:43] <@firebot> nicolas@probablement.net set the Resolution field on bug 763272 to INVALID.
- # [23:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763272 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, Right Control Key doesn't work in shortcuts
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- # [23:53] <@firebot> scoobidiver@netcourrier.com set status-firefox15 to affected on bug 763162.
- # [23:53] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763162 cri, --, mozilla16, markcapella, RESO FIXED, crash in nsXULMenuitemAccessible::NativeInteractiveState @ nsMenuFrame::IsOnMenuBar
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- # [23:55] <capella> hmmm.... whats that mean?
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