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  10. # [00:59] <@hub> so we add TextLeafAccessibleWrap, but we newer instanciate it
  11. # [00:59] <@hub> (only msaa has it, until now)
  12. # [00:59] <@hub> we never
  13. # [01:06] <tbsaunde> hub: well, we typedef it to TextleavAccessible
  14. # [01:06] <@hub> not on Windows
  15. # [01:07] <@hub> but in the end I don't need it on mac either
  16. # [01:07] <@hub> so it doesn't matter
  17. # [01:07] <@hub> but I was wondering why I wasn't getting it instanciate
  18. # [01:07] <@hub> d
  19. # [01:08] <tbsaunde> hub: true, fair enough
  20. # [01:08] <@hub> but then there might be issues on Windows. Or maybe it is deliberate
  21. # [01:11] <tbsaunde> hub: I'm not sure I follow
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  26. # [01:31] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 632634 on bug 757503.
  27. # [01:31] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757503 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, decomtaminate GetColumnIndexAt/GetRowIndexAt/GetRowAndColumnIndicesAt on accessible tables
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  30. # [01:56] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 632961 on bug 760878.
  31. # [01:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760878 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, decomtaminate Get Row / Column Description() on accessible tables
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  37. # [02:46] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com cancelled review?(surkov.alexander@gm ail.com) for attachment 632096 on bug 757203.
  38. # [02:46] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757203 cri, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, crash in nsXULTreeAccessible::InvalidateCache when deleting cookie
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  40. # [02:48] <capella> or maybe combine with the IsDefunct()...
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  42. # [02:52] <@davidb> capella: best to ask trevor for review
  43. # [02:52] <capella> k - ill poke it
  44. # [02:52] <@davidb> we used to check mTreeView inside isDefunct before the move to the inline isDefunct which just checks the flag
  45. # [02:54] <capella> hmmm ... ill suggest the combined "if", i didnt re-request review... trev and surkov both told me previously dont bother
  46. # [02:54] <capella> after the first one since theyll know and follow the train of thought
  47. # [02:57] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 632975 on bug 757203.
  48. # [02:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757203 cri, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, crash in nsXULTreeAccessible::InvalidateCache when deleting cookie
  49. # [02:58] <@davidb> ok
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  51. # [02:59] <capella> davidb: thanks for the background ... i'd love to hear more stuff like that
  52. # [03:02] <@davidb> capella: I think it was some guy named Mark Capella that made some changes here http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7a78aae4fa27
  53. # [03:02] <@davidb> :)
  54. # [03:04] <capella> DOH
  55. # [03:04] <capella> I just make requested changes ... i dont have to understand them (thats what ive been told)
  56. # [03:04] <@davidb> lol
  57. # [03:05] <capella> wow! that was half my mozilla lifetime ago!
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  59. # [03:06] <capella> bugsstarttoblurintooneamorphouspatch
  60. # [03:06] <@hub> I wish I didn't have to undestand my changes
  61. # [03:06] <@hub> ...
  62. # [03:06] <@hub> this sh*t was working earlier
  63. # [03:06] <@hub> :-/
  64. # [03:07] <capella> there is some sh*t up with which I will not put!
  65. # [03:08] <@hub> don't worry it is my part, not your :-)
  66. # [03:08] <capella> (trying to remember where I heard that quote)
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  70. # [03:11] <@davidb> probably Churchill
  71. # [03:13] <capella> Tv - Cheers / Diane - I remember now ... gosh im old
  72. # [03:13] <@davidb> i remember
  73. # [03:15] <capella> "I remember when VSAM was the only access method there was, and we liked it cause thats all we needed ...
  74. # [03:15] <capella> you kids now adaze ..."
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  76. # [03:18] <capella> davidb: whats brought you around so late last couple days? .. thought you were strictly 9-4-ish
  77. # [03:19] <@davidb> i don't usually open IRC at night… i usually catch up on reading email blogs etc incognito
  78. # [03:27] <@davidb> i'm trying to conceptualize how the universe has no centre
  79. # [03:27] <@davidb> i thought it was my daughter
  80. # [03:27] <@davidb> well one of them - not sure which
  81. # [03:27] <@davidb> i guess that's how i can conceptualize it
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  85. # [03:35] <capella> davidb: you'd like this link then .... tho todays image is mundane ... click the "discover the cosmos" link for more
  86. # [03:35] <capella> http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/
  87. # [03:36] <@davidb> i would indeed
  88. # [03:36] <capella> my home page :)
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  90. # [03:39] <@davidb> wow… a brown dwarf with a room temperature surface?
  91. # [03:39] <@davidb> http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap110830.html
  92. # [03:40] <capella> yah ... i like the stuff on transient gamma ray burst sources ... hadda cool 2micron sky survey link around here somewhere ...
  93. # [03:42] <capella> www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/swift/main/index.html
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  96. # [04:22] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 764686 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  97. # [04:37] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 632995 on bug 764686.
  98. # [04:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=764686 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Accessible::ChildAtPoint should be consistent with GetBounds
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  101. # [05:01] <@davidb> eeejay: interesting. i'll review this more tomorrow.
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  127. # [08:54] <@firebot> junky.argonaut@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 633046 on bug 429990.
  128. # [08:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=429990 nor, --, ---, junky.argonaut, NEW, check in/out arguments on NULL in MSAA/IA2 methods
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  133. # [09:28] <capella> infinity: re: I haven't added a NULL check here have I?
  134. # [09:28] <capella> a) no i dont think so, and
  135. # [09:28] <capella> b) I think he wants you to :)
  136. # [09:29] <Infinity> capella: but there is no out parameter there!...
  137. # [09:30] <Infinity> could you take a look...I don't think the pointer there is an out pointer
  138. # [09:31] <capella> k ... brb
  139. # [09:36] <capella> hmmm ..... no ... its operating on the CAAccessibleEditableText itself, aText is what is to replace the original text
  140. # [09:36] <capella> but doesn't get modified (like an out param)
  141. # [09:36] <capella> so ...... ?
  142. # [09:37] <capella> wait and see what surkov says
  143. # [09:38] <capella> btw ... your patch needs re-basing ... the code you modify doesn't match my latest repo pull
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  149. # [09:48] <Infinity> really?
  150. # [09:48] <Infinity> so should I pop the patch then update it
  151. # [09:48] <Infinity> then apply it.....so that it won't be like last time again?
  152. # [09:54] <capella> well yes, but after you hg qpop -a, hg pull -u, hg qpush .... you might find .rej files if HG cannot understand how to
  153. # [09:54] <capella> reapply your changes from where they were in the old source code, to where they should be in the new version
  154. # [09:54] <capella> then it gets a little tricky
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  157. # [09:55] <Infinity> it gets tricky again....how?
  158. # [09:56] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested feedback from marco.zehe@google mail.com for attachment 633061 on bug 570322.
  159. # [09:56] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Status on bug 570322 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  160. # [09:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=570322 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, random fail of image map (area) accessible creation
  161. # [09:57] <capella> well if you HG QPUSH and HG cant auto apply the patches, it creates .REJ files showing you what it was trying to do but couldnt
  162. # [09:57] <capella> then you have to see the original change, and re-do it manually, over again, not usually difficult, just taes patience
  163. # [09:57] <capella> and usually HG autoupdate works anyhow id just backup your patch before you try it the first time
  164. # [09:58] <Infinity> so I have to go about the same way as last time
  165. # [09:59] <capella> if there are .rej files, it just shows you the portions it couldn't do ... sometimes you change a buncha stuff and theres like two lines in
  166. # [09:59] <capella> one file it cant figure out ... sometimes its worse ... maybe you should wait until your patch passes review before trying that
  167. # [09:59] <capella> new learning curve
  168. # [10:00] <capella> marcoz: are you there?
  169. # [10:05] <Infinity> capella: I agree...I didn't want to complicate it for the time being and hence posted it for the review without updating
  170. # [10:06] <capella> ok ... just an fyi for now then :)
  171. # [10:06] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted feedback for attachment 633061 on bug 570322.
  172. # [10:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=570322 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, random fail of image map (area) accessible creation
  173. # [10:08] <Infinity> yeah...I'll keep that in mind
  174. # [10:08] <capella> marcoz: do you think I should ask for review and try to move this patch as-is? Or wait until I can fix that
  175. # [10:08] <capella> last test case?
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  177. # [10:10] <capella> maybe run it by davidb for review as-is ... see what he says ... he's got nothing better to do :P
  178. # [10:12] <@MarcoZ> capella: Yeah, run it by Davidb as well. He might have an idea.
  179. # [10:13] <@MarcoZ> But this approach sounds good to me in any case.
  180. # [10:14] <capella> marcoz: ok - thanks for the feedback ... i hate to let that last little detail go ...
  181. # [10:19] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 633061 on bug 570322.
  182. # [10:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=570322 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, random fail of image map (area) accessible creation
  183. # [10:22] <@MarcoZ> capella: Sometimes it can't be helped, and if layout doesn't give us this without a mouse move, well then....
  184. # [10:25] <capella> right .... and no worse that current situation ... but if it avoids random fails then its a good thing
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  188. # [10:50] <capella> infinity: naptime ... catch ya later !
  189. # [10:51] <Infinity> capella: Cool...have your power nap :D
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  192. # [11:03] <icaaq> ok, another question: If I look at the first navigation on mozilla.org with fx and nvda it says "… list with seven items". BUT when I turn of the css it says: "… list with four items" which btw is the correct number of items. Why is this happening? It's not only on mozilla.org this is happening.
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  194. # [11:23] <icaaq> this is not happening with nvda and internet explorer
  195. # [11:24] <icaaq> OR internet explorer and NVDA is telling the right amount of list items.
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  198. # [11:55] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 764119 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  199. # [11:55] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 764119 to FIXED.
  200. # [11:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=764119 nor, --, mozilla16, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Add preference for explore by touch
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  206. # [12:19] <Infinity> hi firebot
  207. # [12:19] <@firebot> yo Infinity
  208. # [12:19] <Infinity> tell me a joke firebot
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  210. # [12:35] <icaaq> MarcoZ: can you verify that the number of items that NVDA announces in test two on this page http://icaaq.com/sandbox/mozilla/nvda/inline-block.htm is incorrect?
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  212. # [12:38] <capella> icaaq: open a bug and document the suspicious behaviors ... someone will address it there
  213. # [12:39] <capella> firebot: tell me a joke
  214. # [12:39] <@firebot> capella: well, duh. a joke is Whats the difference between a bad golfer and a bad skydiver? A bad golfer goes: WHACK ... "Damn"! A bad Skydiver goes: "Damn"! ... WHACK.
  215. # [12:39] <icaaq> ok, what component/product should i use?
  216. # [12:39] <capella> product is core component is disability access apis
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  218. # [12:55] <@firebot> icaaaq@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 764757 from Untriaged to Disability Access.
  219. # [12:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=764757 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, NVDA announces incorrect number of items when display:inline-block; is used
  220. # [12:56] <icaaq> capella: thanks
  221. # [12:56] <capella> yes
  222. # [12:57] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 632215 on bug 760880.
  223. # [12:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760880 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, decomtaminate Is Column / Row / Cell Selected() on accessible tables
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  237. # [14:52] <@MarcoZ> davidb|mobile: Hi!
  238. # [14:54] <davidb|mobile> hi!
  239. # [14:54] <davidb|mobile> I'll be bit late in
  240. # [14:54] <davidb|mobile> (father's day thing)
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  244. # [14:56] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Component on bug 764757 from Disability Access to Disability Access APIs.
  245. # [14:56] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Product on bug 764757 from Firefox to Core.
  246. # [14:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=764757 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, NVDA announces incorrect number of items when display:inline-block; is used
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  263. # [16:31] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 632975 on bug 757203.
  264. # [16:31] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757203 cri, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, crash in nsXULTreeAccessible::InvalidateCache when deleting cookie
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  267. # [16:43] <@davidb> tbsaunde i was just about to submit a review :)
  268. # [16:44] <@davidb> tbsaunde: is your queue small?
  269. # [16:46] <@davidb> i guess this patch seems interesting
  270. # [16:53] <@firebot> New Firefox - Keyboard Navigation bug 764822 filed by alliz_gub@speed.1s.fr.
  271. # [16:53] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=764822 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, onclick event does not report modifiers if user pressed enter instead of clicking
  272. # [16:56] <tbsaunde> davidb: not really, but that patch scred me a bit
  273. # [16:56] <tbsaunde> *scared
  274. # [16:56] <tbsaunde> and I thought Alex could probably stand waiting another day on ia2
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  276. # [16:56] <tbsaunde> err, uia
  277. # [16:57] <@davidb> tbsaunde: eeejay asked me for review. i was mid-review when i saw yours.
  278. # [16:57] <@davidb> i'm just trying to understand.
  279. # [16:57] <@davidb> anyways
  280. # [16:58] <@davidb> tbsaunde: any idea why that accessible == this check was there in the first place?
  281. # [16:58] <tbsaunde> davidb: I haven't looked at history
  282. # [16:58] <@davidb> i looked a bit
  283. # [16:59] <@davidb> but history is pretty shattered by refactors/renames
  284. # [16:59] <tbsaunde> but my guess is that it was to make sure what return is a kid and is faster than walking up the tree
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  286. # [17:01] <tbsaunde> davidb: fwiw that whole method does seem pretty crazy to me, I really don't get the contentDocAcc stuff and when its different from Document()
  287. # [17:01] <@davidb> well
  288. # [17:01] <tbsaunde> probablyy the case of OuterDocAcc, which should probably become an overload as one of the comments says
  289. # [17:02] <@davidb> i'm dxr'ing
  290. # [17:02] <tbsaunde> for what?
  291. # [17:02] <@davidb> source code
  292. # [17:07] <@davidb> the whole method makes sense to me, but i feel like i'd like to rewrite it
  293. # [17:08] <tbsaunde> davidb: oh?
  294. # [17:08] <tbsaunde> davidb: btw accessible == this goes back atleast as far as end of cvs days
  295. # [17:08] <@davidb> i feel that way a lot
  296. # [17:09] <tbsaunde> what don't you like about it if it makes sense?
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  298. # [17:11] <@davidb> probably the same reason i like to fry my own eggs
  299. # [17:12] <@davidb> tbsaunde: so probably i should let eeejay ask, but i'm not 100% sure I understand your 3 comments
  300. # [17:13] <@davidb> we have hit test coverage… are you saying we need specific additions?
  301. # [17:14] <@davidb> the test cases look like a mochitest patch
  302. # [17:17] <tbsaunde> davidb: they sort of are, but I'd like to see them cleaned up a bit and incldued in the patch for review
  303. # [17:18] * tbsaunde starts reading bug 395081
  304. # [17:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=395081 maj, --, ---, aaronlev, RESO FIXED, AccessibleObjectFromPoint returns errors
  305. # [17:27] * @MarcoZ remembers that patch from his first months at Mozilla and remembers being scared. This hitTest/pointAt stuff was always very weirdly implemented, IMO.
  306. # [17:30] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: You around yet?
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  312. # [17:49] <@davidb> tbsaunde: I PM
  313. # [17:49] <@davidb> 'ed ya
  314. # [17:51] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I'm wondering whether this will also help some of the disabled mochitests for the Mac. Some of them had to do with getting the childAtPoint/deepestChildAtPoint and not getting the deepest, but the most obvious child.
  315. # [17:53] <@davidb> never know
  316. # [17:53] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 632961 on bug 760878.
  317. # [17:53] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760878 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, decomtaminate Get Row / Column Description() on accessible tables
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  320. # [18:00] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, yo
  321. # [18:04] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: I'm thinking about table improvements. One thing is that I want AccessFu to skip layout tables. The other is that I want to improve utterances for the table itself, and individual table cells.
  322. # [18:04] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, I agree
  323. # [18:04] <@MarcoZ> s/AccessFu/Quick navigation/
  324. # [18:05] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, i didn't look closely during review (oops), but i would change the table rule
  325. # [18:05] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, it should land on the first cell in the table
  326. # [18:06] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: I'm thinking about impl details. I need to have the functionality to ask the accessible for its attributes, or rather, search for a specific attribute, from both UtteranceGenerator and VirtualCursorController.TraversalRules.Table. So I think I would like to create a utility module that takes some general-purpose utility methods that give us what we need.
  327. # [18:06] <@eeejay> especially since entire web pages could be in tables
  328. # [18:07] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: That's why I want to ignore layout tables, e. g., not include them in quick nav targets.
  329. # [18:07] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, a utility module is welcome.
  330. # [18:07] <@MarcoZ> eeeLanding on table cells is problematic, since the table may have a caption, and we'd want to read that.
  331. # [18:07] <@MarcoZ> Darn tab key.
  332. # [18:07] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, the table caption should be read anyway, when entering the table
  333. # [18:08] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Where does that get done?
  334. # [18:08] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: And how do I tell the table rule to not land on the accessible itself, but on a child?
  335. # [18:09] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, need to make sure utterance generator reads the caption
  336. # [18:10] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, as for the rule, set the accepted role as table cell, and in the match method check that it is the first cell in the table
  337. # [18:10] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Right.
  338. # [18:12] * @MarcoZ will give this some more thought and start tinkering with it tomorrow.
  339. # [18:13] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: BTW I tested your try build from bug 763613 and don't think there are any regressions in the native UI parts.
  340. # [18:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763613 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Support hover motion events
  341. # [18:13] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, cool thanks
  342. # [18:13] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, by eod i hope to have an explore by touch try build for you to test
  343. # [18:14] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, i have hardly had time to test your quick nav features. when folks see something strange in eyes-free, could you confirm the behavior?
  344. # [18:14] <@MarcoZ> OMG I'm excited! Man we're really kicking ass with this!
  345. # [18:15] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: I'm watching the feedback there and test stuff. So far I couldn't repro the issues mentioned, except the one about editing obviously.
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  348. # [18:15] <@askalski> hi everyone!
  349. # [18:16] <@MarcoZ> hi askalski!
  350. # [18:16] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, ok. i have tried to encourage folks to file bugs, to no avail. but they should at least give urls to sites
  351. # [18:16] <@eeejay> askalski, yo
  352. # [18:16] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: One reason I'm currently thinking about the tables so much is actually something that was mentioned in the quick nav thread: That for tables, nothing is announced.
  353. # [18:17] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: I wouldn't count on many bugs being filed from outside the team on this.
  354. # [18:17] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, hah! i was thinking the same when i read that. that tables are worth revisiting
  355. # [18:17] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, i would like to see us read and navigate tables better. no special new mode, but maybe quicknav rules for rows and cells. and proper utterances
  356. # [18:18] <tbsaunde> askalski: i
  357. # [18:18] <@eeejay> like row x of n
  358. # [18:18] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: That's one of the things I'll be tinkering with tomorrow.
  359. # [18:19] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, cool!
  360. # [18:20] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Actually, I don't think quick nav for rows and cells makes sense, but using the arrow keys in 4 directions whilst in a table, probably with a modifier key, would.
  361. # [18:21] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, right. i am a bit wary of introducing that now. anything with modifiers really. so maybe working on utterance generation would be a good start
  362. # [18:21] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: I'm glad we're thinking in the same direction! :)
  363. # [18:21] <@davidb> askalski: hi!
  364. # [18:22] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, I want to have a more comprehensive discussion around usability, and see where we could innovate instead of cloning a desktop screen reader. the quicknav keys are a no-brainer though
  365. # [18:23] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, maybe we should skype about it next week
  366. # [18:28] <tbsaunde> davidb: any particular reason your worried about perf with bug 764422?
  367. # [18:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=764422 nor, --, ---, dbolter, NEW, Map svg <g> element to ROLE_GROUP
  368. # [18:29] <@davidb> tbsaunde: not specifically. i need to check our must prune etc. i worry about svg images for example
  369. # [18:29] <@davidb> it is more a 'note to self'
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  371. # [18:31] <tbsaunde> I'm not sure I follow, but that might be because I need food
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  373. # [18:32] <@davidb> i'd explain better but i'm watching a live seminar
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  378. # [18:44] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 632564 on bug 761064.
  379. # [18:44] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761064 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, mTreeView null check aren't necessary for XUL tree item/cell classes
  380. # [18:46] <tbsaunde> capella: feel free to work on decomtaminating ny methods on nsIAccessible table you like
  381. # [18:47] <capella> thnsaunde: ok thabks ! I saw you aaprove someone else in this area last night... ill need to watch there code go in
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  384. # [18:49] <tbsaunde> capella: ok, iirc it had to do with indexs, so if you wanted to deal with the selection stuff I think your clear
  385. # [18:50] <tbsaunde> or if you want to work on uia I can try to make reviewing the IAccessibleEx patch a priority and you can start on that stuff
  386. # [18:52] <capella> ok to uia - ill look after alexs change gets approved and moved?
  387. # [18:52] <capella> also - did 870880 get review+ ? i didnt see that
  388. # [18:54] <tbsaunde> if you mean 760880 not yet, I was going to look after lunch
  389. # [18:56] <capella> yes - thank you ... i need to run errangs too for now .. ill catch you later then and thank you for the help
  390. # [18:56] <tbsaunde> nsee ya
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  398. # [19:46] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: I'd be happy to discuss usability and see where we could innovate! Skyping sounds fine. :)
  399. # [19:47] * @MarcoZ is off for the night, though.
  400. # [19:47] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, night!
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  407. # [20:02] <@hub> davidb: did you see that http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2012/06/open-letter-to-opera-re-accessibility-support/
  408. # [20:11] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
  409. # [20:18] <blez> I thought Opera has accesibility
  410. # [20:18] <blez> at least on MacOS it had I think
  411. # [20:28] <@firebot> andrew.quartey@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 633201 on bug 762396.
  412. # [20:28] <@firebot> andrew.quartey@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 762396 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  413. # [20:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762396 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, ASSI, replace do_QueryObject() with static cast in CAccessibleEditableText
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  415. # [20:30] <@firebot> andrew.quartey@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 633202 on bug 762394.
  416. # [20:30] <@firebot> andrew.quartey@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 762394 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  417. # [20:30] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762394 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, ASSI, replace do_QueryObject() with static cast in CAccessibleText
  418. # [20:31] <@davidb> hub: i was the tweet about it but haven't read it yet
  419. # [20:32] <@davidb> and now i have read it
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  421. # [20:32] <@davidb> that was short
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  425. # [20:44] <@hub> blez: they talk a lot about windows in that article. but AFAIK they don't on Mac either
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  427. # [20:54] <@davidb> i think my human sentence engine runs multi-process
  428. # [20:54] <@davidb> sentence my i think multi-process engine human
  429. # [20:55] <capella> oooh! RPN notation!
  430. # [20:57] <@hub> do or do not. there is no try
  431. # [20:58] <tbsaunde> that reminds of one of those test questions what you put a bunch of forks and printfs in some order and ask if someout is possible
  432. # [20:59] <@davidb> that's when android shell comes in handy
  433. # [21:00] <@davidb> tbsaunde: I heard SMU didn't have a CSC department until about 1988?
  434. # [21:00] <@davidb> CMU
  435. # [21:00] <@davidb> that surprised me
  436. # [21:01] <tbsaunde> davidb: I think the school was created then, I think we were part of something else before then
  437. # [21:01] <@davidb> probably math
  438. # [21:01] <tbsaunde> there were certainly people doing cs research before then
  439. # [21:01] <@davidb> yeah
  440. # [21:02] <tbsaunde> newell, Simmon and dan slatter (and his splay trees) come to immediately to mind
  441. # [21:02] <@davidb> ok i have to shuffle home again… then sec call at 4pm
  442. # [21:02] <@davidb> those are some names
  443. # [21:03] <tbsaunde> true
  444. # [21:03] <@davidb> i mean that in a good way
  445. # [21:03] <tbsaunde> what's useful bout the android shell other than for a while they forgot to check the return value of setuid() in adbd?
  446. # [21:04] <@davidb> i definitely studied some of newell's AI work
  447. # [21:04] <tbsaunde> I don't really know much about AI, and apparently the ugrad AI class usually wasn't good :/
  448. # [21:04] <@davidb> that's sad
  449. # [21:05] <@davidb> at UofToronto the AI class was hard to get into… and tough
  450. # [21:05] <tbsaunde> on the other hand I sort of remember how splay trees work, amortized analysis makes sense
  451. # [21:05] <@hub> davidb: gnome-shell now have a11y on by default https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678095
  452. # [21:05] <@davidb> hub: interesting
  453. # [21:05] <@davidb> ok i really gotta shuffle home
  454. # [21:05] <@davidb> laters
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  464. # [22:05] <@hub> davidb: so we should talk to the Junior guys about a11y
  465. # [22:05] <@davidb> yes
  466. # [22:06] <@davidb> put that down for our 1:1
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  468. # [22:06] <@davidb|mtg> (please)
  469. # [22:07] <@davidb|mtg> crap
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  475. # [22:08] <@hub> davidb|mtg: it was demoed on airmoz, that's why I was asking :-D
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  477. # [22:09] <@davidb|mtg> oh i thought you meant our junior engineers
  478. # [22:09] <@davidb|mtg> i hope the airmoz thing was recoreded
  479. # [22:09] <@hub> davidb|mtg: with a fire alarm in the end
  480. # [22:10] <@hub> davidb|mtg: Junior is the iPad web browser
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  487. # [22:23] <icaaq> what is |mtg?
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  489. # [22:26] <@davidb> in a meeting
  490. # [22:26] <@davidb> which i am still
  491. # [22:26] <@davidb> but i needed a registered nick
  492. # [22:27] <icaaq> ok
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  498. # [22:55] <capella> davidb: thoughts on bug 570322 or not had time to look yet?
  499. # [22:56] <@davidb> give me 5
  500. # [22:56] <capella> k
  501. # [22:56] <@davidb> (still in sec meeting)
  502. # [22:56] <capella> oic
  503. # [23:01] <@davidb> capella: ok will look again now! i have 7 minutes
  504. # [23:01] <capella> heh ... all that much?
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  507. # [23:04] <@davidb> capella: this needs my quiet attention. i plan to look in the morning (if not late tonight) ok?
  508. # [23:04] <capella> yep - thx
  509. # [23:04] <@davidb> thank. you.
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  516. # [23:35] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 633271 on bug 760880.
  517. # [23:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760880 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, decomtaminate Is Column / Row / Cell Selected() on accessible tables
  518. # [23:57] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 633201 on bug 762396.
  519. # [23:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762396 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, ASSI, replace do_QueryObject() with static cast in CAccessibleEditableText
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