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  1. # Session Start: Fri Jun 15 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:00] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org cancelled review?(dbolter@mozilla.com ) for attachment 632995 on bug 764686.
  4. # [00:00] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 633291 on bug 764686.
  5. # [00:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=764686 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Accessible::ChildAtPoint should be consistent with GetBounds
  6. # [00:09] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 633202 on bug 762394.
  7. # [00:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762394 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, ASSI, replace do_QueryObject() with static cast in CAccessibleText
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  30. # [02:17] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 633321 on bug 761589.
  31. # [02:17] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761589 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Make accessibility.force_disabled cross platform
  32. # [02:18] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 632113 on bug 750612.
  33. # [02:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750612 maj, --, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] Too much is exposed to VoiceOver that is actually not currently visible/interactable
  34. # [02:19] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 632489 on bug 758799.
  35. # [02:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758799 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] remove mIsExpired from mozAccessible
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  45. # [03:20] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 765110 filed by hub@mozilla.com.
  46. # [03:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765110 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, TextLeafAccessibleWrap is never instanciated
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  51. # [03:32] <@firebot> andrew.quartey@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 633349 on bug 762394.
  52. # [03:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762394 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, ASSI, replace do_QueryObject() with static cast in CAccessibleText
  53. # [03:38] <@firebot> andrew.quartey@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 633351 on bug 762396.
  54. # [03:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762396 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, ASSI, replace do_QueryObject() with static cast in CAccessibleEditableText
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  61. # [03:51] <capella> edmorley says " You do not need to set the target milestone any more (if it is set already though, please check it is correct!), since the new merge script will do that for you. "
  62. # [03:52] <capella> makes both our lives easier !
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  64. # [04:22] <capella> ick ... try 1835 / 311
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  112. # [10:03] <capella> surkov: those two bugs were on their way to inbound ... want me to wait?
  113. # [10:04] <@surkov> capella: the first one doesn't harm anyone, it's just doesn't make lot of sense, the second one can lead to crashes
  114. # [10:04] <@surkov> capella: up to you and tbsaunde, I gotta go :)
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  142. # [15:13] <@davidb> wow that is a bright star we have nearby… i mean the sun… it shines bright on toronto this morning
  143. # [15:15] <capella> good am davidb
  144. # [15:15] <@davidb> heyo
  145. # [15:16] <capella> reminds me of johnny carson when you do that :)
  146. # [15:17] <@davidb> ed :)
  147. # [15:17] <@davidb> laughing
  148. # [15:17] <capella> well, yah, to be precise
  149. # [15:18] <@davidb> i watched that nightly
  150. # [15:18] <@davidb> looking at your patch (image map)
  151. # [15:18] <capella> do you remember the infamous "do you want to pet my pussy" line?
  152. # [15:19] <capella> zsa-zsa i think it was
  153. # [15:19] <@MarcoZ> OMG, what kinds of topics! I like!
  154. # [15:19] <@MarcoZ> Hi davidb!
  155. # [15:19] <capella> o ... she had a cat in her lap
  156. # [15:19] <@davidb> i do
  157. # [15:20] <@davidb> i also remember the little monkey peeing on johnny's head
  158. # [15:20] <@MarcoZ> capella: I know! :)
  159. # [15:21] <@MarcoZ> Oh, he left a trace, then, must've been a TraceMonkey! :)
  160. # [15:21] <capella> DOH
  161. # [15:21] <capella> :(
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  163. # [15:22] * @davidb just shakes his head
  164. # [15:23] <capella> marcoz: watching those red bugs from last night ... did the first one go away? ed morley never followed up
  165. # [15:23] <capella> on his fix
  166. # [15:26] <@davidb> capella: i don't yet see where you ensure the image map creation gets triggered
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  168. # [15:26] <@davidb> oh you are moving the mouse
  169. # [15:26] <capella> yah .. just that one test_ though where i had to leave it in
  170. # [15:27] <@davidb> i see
  171. # [15:27] <@davidb> why?
  172. # [15:28] <capella> cause the test hung without it .... all the others worked fine with surkovs fix
  173. # [15:28] <capella> to the random crash
  174. # [15:31] <capella> ok so much for 765172
  175. # [15:32] <@davidb> capella: i understand… i'm still looking
  176. # [15:32] <capella> hmmm? yah different bug from last night
  177. # [15:33] <capella> marcoz: was involved but he dropped off
  178. # [15:33] <@MarcoZ> It wasn't from last night, I belive, 765172 I mean. It's been filed only a few hours ago.
  179. # [15:34] <@MarcoZ> Ah, was just resolved. Nice!
  180. # [15:34] <capella> ive not been to bed so its last night :) and I see glandium still discussing it with ed ... so ... well see
  181. # [15:35] <@MarcoZ> EdMorley just commented on it when he closed it.
  182. # [15:35] <capella> yah on #developers glandium chimed in after that
  183. # [15:36] <capella> ummmmm .... coffee .....
  184. # [15:39] <capella> then 765195 might indicate followup work in XULTree area ... 757203 just a part of something?
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  187. # [15:53] <@davidb> r+ but not done ;)
  188. # [15:53] <capella> yah kinda bugs me - no pun
  189. # [15:55] <icaaq> MarcoZ: could you have a look at bug 764598 when you have the time :)
  190. # [15:56] <@davidb> capella: image maps are hacky
  191. # [15:56] <capella> so im coming to learn :)
  192. # [15:56] <@davidb> hee
  193. # [15:57] <capella> do we do partial moves and leave original bugs open? i thought that was discouraged
  194. # [16:00] <capella> sees the bug 745788... wasnt aware
  195. # [16:04] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: You were absolutely right, and I reopened the bug.
  196. # [16:05] <icaaq> MarcoZ: thanks :)
  197. # [16:11] <@davidb> icaaq: :)
  198. # [16:12] * @MarcoZ is doing all kinds of web evangelism stuff today instead of coding on AccessFu, but that's OK. Talk about a day that went totally different than planned. But it's more part of my job desc actually than coding, so that's OK, too! :)
  199. # [16:14] <@davidb> !seen surkov
  200. # [16:15] <@davidb> MarcoZ: web evangelism is definitely in scope
  201. # [16:15] <capella> i chatted with him last night around 4am
  202. # [16:15] <@davidb> as far as I'm concerned
  203. # [16:15] <@davidb> capella: ok cool. was he around long?
  204. # [16:15] <capella> he said hihowyadoingottagonow
  205. # [16:15] <@davidb> oh
  206. # [16:15] <@davidb> (i need some more signatures from him)
  207. # [16:16] <icaaq> nej
  208. # [16:16] <icaaq> sorry, wrong window :)
  209. # [16:16] <capella> he commented on a couple bugs then ran for the hills
  210. # [16:16] <@davidb> heh
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  213. # [16:18] <@MarcoZ> davidb: If you're interested: bbpress.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/1852
  214. # [16:19] <@MarcoZ> Umm: http://bbpress.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/1852
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  216. # [16:23] <@davidb> i think i might be becoming ornery.. but web devs need to get real
  217. # [16:23] <@davidb> actually
  218. # [16:23] <@davidb> mozilla needs to get a super rockstar to head up platform product management
  219. # [16:23] <@davidb> and fix the web's flaws
  220. # [16:25] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Well, I hope this distinction somehow gets through to those devs at Automattic. Not all tables are bad, just some of them. And getting that distinction across right seems to still be a problem.
  221. # [16:25] <@davidb> yeah
  222. # [16:25] <@davidb> maybe we need to fit the rule in 140 characters
  223. # [16:26] <@MarcoZ> davidb: And fixing the web's flaws would certainly involve a lot of rockstarness, after all, it's not just us being in there.
  224. # [16:26] <@davidb> it just seems as a platform, it is too easy to make crap look pretty.
  225. # [16:27] <@davidb> and hard to make the good stuff look pretty.
  226. # [16:27] <@MarcoZ> Exactly. Or make the good stuff look pretty with a reasonable amount of work, and not make feel people like they have to put in a lot of extra work to do so.
  227. # [16:28] <@davidb> right
  228. # [16:30] <capella> to sleep ... perchance to dream
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  230. # [16:51] <NeilAway> surkov's tree viewer in bug 727092 is cool 8) but slow :-(
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  234. # [16:57] <icaaq> have a good weekend!
  235. # [16:58] <@davidb> hi NeilAway!
  236. # [16:58] <@davidb> NeilAway: i was considering pinging you on bug 570322 since you might know a little about image map frames
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  238. # [17:01] <NeilAway> eek
  239. # [17:02] <@davidb> icaaq: the lions are coming
  240. # [17:02] <NeilAway> davidb: all I know is that they assert like hell ;-)
  241. # [17:02] <@davidb> heh
  242. # [17:02] <@davidb> the spec requirement that one map can map more than one image makes implementation chaos
  243. # [17:02] <@davidb> it is madness
  244. # [17:03] <@davidb> IMO this needs to be fixed in spec and the frame lifecycle cleaned up
  245. # [17:03] <tbsaunde> davidb: you could try bz
  246. # [17:04] <@davidb> tbsaunde: that is almost always a good choice :)
  247. # [17:04] <@davidb> i think dbaron has a wip around fixing image maps
  248. # [17:05] <tbsaunde> davidb: true
  249. # [17:06] <@davidb> sometimes i wonder if image maps are worth the time
  250. # [17:06] <@davidb> it isn't easy to hunt them in the wild
  251. # [17:07] <tbsaunde> find them in the wild you mean?
  252. # [17:09] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: I started looking at the tree viewer patch, and then my eyes glazed over at all the xbl
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  258. # [17:53] <NeilAway> tbsaunde: aww, it's not so bad :-)
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  260. # [18:05] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: well, maybe if I learned something about xbl first ;)
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  262. # [18:12] <drexler> tbsaunde: ping
  263. # [18:12] <tbsaunde> drexler: hi
  264. # [18:13] <drexler> tbsaunde: for the bug 762394 and 762396 after addressing the nits, will a re-request for review be in order?
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  266. # [18:13] <tbsaunde> drexler: no need
  267. # [18:13] <drexler> ok
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  269. # [18:37] <@eeejay> yo morning
  270. # [18:43] <drexler> bonjour eeejay
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  273. # [18:54] <@eeejay> davidb, yo
  274. # [18:56] <@davidb> eeejay: hi
  275. # [18:56] <@davidb> saw your comments
  276. # [18:56] <@davidb> sounds right
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  278. # [18:57] <@eeejay> davidb, hey. for bug 764686, should i wait for tbsaunde?
  279. # [18:57] <@davidb> it wouldn't hurt
  280. # [18:57] <@eeejay> ok
  281. # [18:57] <@davidb> glad the test passes :)
  282. # [18:58] <@eeejay> i'm going to send a couple more core patches your way
  283. # [18:58] <@davidb> ok, i'm currently catching up on one of hub's
  284. # [18:59] <@eeejay> davidb, no worries.
  285. # [18:59] <@eeejay> no rush
  286. # [18:59] <@davidb> groovy
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  291. # [19:15] <@davidb> tbsaunde: PM
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  300. # [19:38] <@MarcoZ> reads comments in bug 764203 and lols.
  301. # [19:38] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, yo!
  302. # [19:38] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, i have been thinking/panicking
  303. # [19:39] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, maybe our keyboard functions are not intuitive because of the whole "an entry can't be focused" thing
  304. # [19:40] <@eeejay> wondering if there is a universal gesture or keystroke that would work anywhere, no matter where the focus is that would have it enter nav mode
  305. # [19:40] <@eeejay> ie. explicit edit and nav modes
  306. # [19:44] <@davidb> hub: i've looked over one of the patches, but i'm thinking it might be poor form to switch reviewer. i think you are getting very close.
  307. # [19:44] <@davidb> hub: any idea why surkov asked to get rid of the provider stuff?
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  309. # [19:48] <@hub> davidb: not really, and it didn't make sense either as it does not work
  310. # [19:48] <@davidb> ok
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  312. # [19:49] <@davidb> and hub you are not using enum accessible presumably because you want to overide get children right?
  313. # [19:49] <@hub> yeah
  314. # [19:55] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: The thing is, I don't know of any gesture. These quick nav keys are a uniquely new feature of any mobile browsing experience, I think, so people just have to learn, like they had to learn forms mode on Windows. BTW with Orca on Linux, it's the same. You have to be in web content, but outside a form field, to be able to use quick nav keys.
  315. # [19:56] <@davidb> MarcoZ: what is the ambient indicator of what mode you are in?
  316. # [19:58] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, this concerns me a bit. both orca and forms mode are problematic, i think
  317. # [19:59] <@MarcoZ> davidb: There is no indication of either. And these are not really modes. There is only one condition: If you're in editable text, quick nav keys won't work, but will type instead.
  318. # [19:59] <@davidb> (i was thinking of jaws)
  319. # [19:59] <@davidb> i think we should have an indication
  320. # [19:59] <@davidb> sonified
  321. # [19:59] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: We're talking about a dilemma the assistive technology world has been debating for 13 years. Ever since a virtual cursor was first conceived in Window-Eyes and JAWS in 1999.
  322. # [20:00] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, i am afraid of introducing user facing features that are less than perfect, and then changing them to something better and recieving lashback from community, or having to support a broken model
  323. # [20:00] <@MarcoZ> Well, we *do* have bug 757372...
  324. # [20:00] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, agreed
  325. # [20:01] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Is there some way we can cause vibration and sound to be heard whenever users focus an edit field, and one when they leave it?
  326. # [20:01] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, i am wondering if maybe we should hide quicknav behind a pref flag until we iron out this dilemma. so that it is not disruptive when we change it
  327. # [20:02] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, no, the screen reader does that
  328. # [20:02] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, we could announce "editing", "navigating"
  329. # [20:03] <@hub> btw I got a phablet (aka Galaxy Note)
  330. # [20:03] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Let's think about the pref last week of the cycle if we haven't found a solution to the problem by then. Until then, let's just keep it active. Users *know* that this is development stuff and things aren't working perfectly yet.
  331. # [20:03] <@hub> (I won it, I'd not buy that)
  332. # [20:03] <@eeejay> hub, phab!
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  334. # [20:03] <@hub> phablet = phone + tablet
  335. # [20:03] <@hub> now I need new pants to carry it
  336. # [20:03] <@hub> or a murse
  337. # [20:03] <@hub> mure = man + purse
  338. # [20:03] <@eeejay> hehe
  339. # [20:03] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Let's start with the announcement, then.
  340. # [20:05] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, let's set up a meeting for monday.
  341. # [20:05] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Fine!
  342. # [20:05] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, I would like to have a brainstorm session with other community folks
  343. # [20:06] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: I am also wondering if the prople having trouble would also have trouble with Fennec for some reason if they were sighted. Meaning that some of these devices are somehow incompatible with Fennec right now.
  344. # [20:06] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, i was talking about that in csun. looks like we need input sooner rather than later
  345. # [20:07] <@MarcoZ> Yup. Did you have anyone specific in mind who is actually using an Android device and is technically savy enough to have a productive discussion with?
  346. # [20:07] <@hub> davidb: our "agreed" style is to not put unneeded braces. which I disagree with
  347. # [20:07] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, yeah. i am less concerned about folks who can't get fennec started. and more about people who are having difficulty activating a feature
  348. # [20:07] <@davidb> hub: yeah you and i are alike that way
  349. # [20:08] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, Victor - an apple fanboy but i think he gets usability. and matt king
  350. # [20:08] * @MarcoZ nods. Those two came to mind, too.
  351. # [20:09] <@eeejay> hub, i used to be in your camp, until i was seduced by one less line.
  352. # [20:09] <@davidb> eeejay: I like the idea. At the end of the day always question the outcomes of design by committee though ;)
  353. # [20:09] <@MarcoZ> *snicker*
  354. # [20:09] <@hub> eeejay: then you divorce when you find your first bug that could have been avoided
  355. # [20:09] <@hub> eeejay: been there, done that
  356. # [20:09] <@davidb> MarcoZ: you just made me remember the office chocolate bars.
  357. # [20:09] * @davidb restrains
  358. # [20:09] <@eeejay> davidb, agreed. i am afraid about designing by assumptions as well
  359. # [20:10] <@davidb> explore by touch would never have been designed by users i don't think
  360. # [20:10] <@davidb> (apple i mean)
  361. # [20:10] <@davidb> although i could be wrong
  362. # [20:10] <@MarcoZ> davidb: You're absolutely right! No actual user would have come up with this fragile approach!
  363. # [20:10] <@davidb> but i doubt jaws users would design it
  364. # [20:11] <@davidb> MarcoZ: is the apple explore by touch fragile?
  365. # [20:11] <@eeejay> davidb, MarcoZ. i really just look at Android a11y and realize that they are paying dearly for early mistakes. and it doesn't matter what they do, they can't dig themselves out of there
  366. # [20:11] <@MarcoZ> Well, there were days when JAWS was actually developed by blind people who also had to use what they coded.
  367. # [20:11] <@MarcoZ> davidb: No, but the Android Explore By Touch is. Esp the Activating An Element part.
  368. # [20:12] * @davidb nods
  369. # [20:12] <@MarcoZ> davidb: The Apple design is so well thought out that they *must* have tested this on blind folks, too.
  370. # [20:12] <@davidb> explore by hammer
  371. # [20:12] <@MarcoZ> LOL
  372. # [20:12] <@davidb> MarcoZ: i bet they gave out devices with no display light
  373. # [20:12] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, ..and any decisions we are making now that are not dependant on androidisms we will adopt as our own and carry over to b2g
  374. # [20:13] <@MarcoZ> Probably!
  375. # [20:13] <@davidb> eeejay and i discussed the b2g thing… we don't want to bring bad design over
  376. # [20:13] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Also, with Android, the smaller the icon is you want to tap, the more likely it is you'll miss it when lifting and putting your finger back down. With Apple, once focused, it doesn't frickin' matter where you double-tap, it'll just activate the item no matter the size.
  377. # [20:13] <@davidb> bad design/weakness
  378. # [20:14] * @davidb nods
  379. # [20:14] <@davidb> maybe there is a patent or something
  380. # [20:14] <@davidb> i don't really want to know - it saddens me
  381. # [20:14] <@eeejay> this is what concerns me about our quick nav feature. it is a departure from android, it is our own thing. and we should think it over a few times
  382. # [20:14] <@MarcoZ> davidb: The problem I'm having is that we're severely limited by Android a11y when it comes to designing features. It's hard to actually introduce our own gestures, for example. With B2G, we have all the freedom in the world.
  383. # [20:14] <@hub> maybe you should all get a phablet
  384. # [20:15] <@davidb> lol
  385. # [20:15] <@hub> the screen is huge
  386. # [20:15] <@hub> if you find the Galaxy S2 big, wait for the Galaxy Note
  387. # [20:15] <@hub> (Android 2.3.6)
  388. # [20:15] <@MarcoZ> The screen of the Nexus is huge by comparison to the iPhone, too. :)
  389. # [20:15] <@davidb> maybe they should add a keyboard and call it android air
  390. # [20:16] <@hub> MarcoZ: which Nexus? Galaxy Nexus?
  391. # [20:16] * @MarcoZ grins.
  392. # [20:16] <@hub> MarcoZ: my Nexus One, no so much
  393. # [20:16] <@MarcoZ> hub: Yes the Galaxy Nexus.
  394. # [20:16] <@hub> davidb: EEE Pad Transfomer prime
  395. # [20:16] <@hub> MarcoZ: it is similar to the Galaxy S2 in size
  396. # [20:16] <@hub> MarcoZ: larger than the iPhone
  397. # [20:16] <@hub> the Galaxy Note is even larger
  398. # [20:16] <@eeejay> i remember a year ago i was thinking i would get an android phone when this large screen craze was over and they made them the same size as the nokia candy bars
  399. # [20:17] <@MarcoZ> Not going in that direction it seems. ;)
  400. # [20:18] <@eeejay> nope. they are dummies
  401. # [20:18] <@MarcoZ> eeejay: Anyway, let's meet on Skype on Monday your morning, and talk things over. I think the feature itself is good, it's the quirks we now have to deal with, e. g. giving indication on what mode the user is in, etc.
  402. # [20:19] <@eeejay> MarcoZ, cool. sounds good
  403. # [20:19] <@MarcoZ> And for B2G, we'll have to find our own way to bring up and dismiss the keyboard for quick nav when there's no entry in focus, anyway.
  404. # [20:19] <@eeejay> i'll send you an invite :) is 9 PDT ok?
  405. # [20:19] <@MarcoZ> Yes that's fine!
  406. # [20:19] <@hub> MarcoZ: btw Yammer won't be made more accessible as they will be too busy to rewrite it in MS tech
  407. # [20:20] <@eeejay> btw, if anyone else wants to join in they are welcome
  408. # [20:21] <@MarcoZ> hub: I didn't have high hopes anyway.
  409. # [20:21] <@MarcoZ> American privately held companies seem to be just as bad with web accessibility as German ones when it comes push to shove.
  410. # [20:22] <@MarcoZ> The only thing that would give them incentive to do it was if the government suddenly came along and offered them a several million dollar deal, ADA requirements included.
  411. # [20:23] <@MarcoZ> Sad but true, but web accessibility is still largely dependent on the good-will of people, and government deals.
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  413. # [20:23] <@MarcoZ> There are only a few countries, like the UK, where privately held companies are actually required to be accessible for everyone, web content included, and can be sued if they're not.
  414. # [20:24] <@MarcoZ> And another sad truth: 95% of web devs out there have probably never heard of the WCAG or such. Including bigger agencies. They simply don't care unless thumbed on it with their noses by someone.
  415. # [20:26] <@MarcoZ> OK, but I'll go off for the weekend now. See you all on Monday!
  416. # [20:26] <@MarcoZ> Ciao!
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  419. # [20:56] <@eeejay> oh. the other thing that is broken in android explore by touch is the fact that it doesn't actually move focus/vc
  420. # [20:57] <@eeejay> so you could find something on the page with your finger. but actually navigating to it is a whole other story
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  424. # [21:14] <@davidb> you can find but you can't touch
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  428. # [21:23] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 633623 on bug 764203.
  429. # [21:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=764203 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Don't notify pivot change if it has not actually changed
  430. # [21:24] <@eeejay> going to stretch. bbiab
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  454. # [23:31] <tbsaunde> capella: there's no reason to describe bugs for yourself, or call them good first bugs ;)
  455. # [23:37] <capella> tbsaunde: just trying to be thorough ... documentation wise .... but yah you're right, i went overboard :)
  456. # [23:41] <tbsaunde> capella: its fine, just kind of funny
  457. # [23:43] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, have any thoughts about bug 764686?
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