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  1. # Session Start: Tue Jun 19 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:01] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 634116 on bug 765512.
  4. # [00:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765512 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, decomtaminate GetSelected (Cell / Column / Row) Indices() on accessible tables
  5. # [00:13] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org granted review for attachment 633593 on bug 761911.
  6. # [00:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761911 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, ASSI, add text attribute testing for HTML strike and s elements
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  8. # [00:22] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org cancelled review?(eitan@monotonous.or g) for attachment 633655 on bug 761910.
  9. # [00:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761910 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, ASSI, add text attributes testing for HTML5 mark color
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  18. # [01:16] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 633848 on bug 762038.
  19. # [01:16] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762038 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, ASSI, get rid HyperTextAccessible CID
  20. # [01:17] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Target Milestone on bug 764203 from --- to mozilla16.
  21. # [01:17] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=764203 nor, --, mozilla16, eitan, NEW, Don't notify pivot change if it has not actually changed
  22. # [01:18] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Target Milestone on bug 764686 from --- to mozilla16.
  23. # [01:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=764686 nor, --, mozilla16, eitan, NEW, Accessible::ChildAtPoint should be consistent with GetBounds
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  27. # [01:51] <drexler> tbsaunde: ping
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  29. # [02:00] <drexler> eeejay: ping
  30. # [02:12] <capella> capella: ping
  31. # [02:23] <@eeejay> drexler, hey
  32. # [02:24] <drexler> eeejay: i had wanted to talk about bug 761910. left a comment in the bug a few mins back
  33. # [02:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761910 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, ASSI, add text attributes testing for HTML5 mark color
  34. # [02:27] <@eeejay> drexler, i am not sure if i 100% understand. wouldn't it functionally be the same?
  35. # [02:29] <drexler> eeejay: true. Just thought to sticking to its usage.
  36. # [02:29] <drexler> stickler for the rules here :)
  37. # [02:29] <@eeejay> drexler, we are!
  38. # [02:29] * @eeejay reads it again
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  40. # [02:32] <@eeejay> drexler, it is legitimate dom API usage to give <mark> an arbitrary id and then retrieve it from javascript
  41. # [02:32] <@eeejay> drexler, we do it elsewhere, not sure why <mark> would be any different
  42. # [02:33] <drexler> eeejay, oh okay...i will amend the patch then and resubmit.
  43. # [02:35] <tbsaunde> drexler: hi
  44. # [02:36] <drexler> tbsaunde: hi
  45. # [02:36] <drexler> tbsaunde: in bug 762038 i realized that the patch built on all platforms with the exception of OS X debug
  46. # [02:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762038 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, ASSI, get rid HyperTextAccessible CID
  47. # [02:37] <tbsaunde> drexler: ok?
  48. # [02:37] <drexler> tbsaunde: seems to be a QI failure to init HyperTextAccessible
  49. # [02:38] <drexler> since i am unfamiliar with how xpcom works on mac OS, i was thinking a simple cast should suffice there right?
  50. # [02:38] <tbsaunde> drexler: well, I guess you should figure out where mac tries to QI something to HypertextAccessible ;)
  51. # [02:38] <tbsaunde> drexler: you probably want AsHypertext() but I'm not sure
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  53. # [02:39] <drexler> ok
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  56. # [02:50] <capella> drexler: still there?
  57. # [02:50] <drexler> capella: yeah
  58. # [02:51] <capella> oh sorry - i was looking for someone else ... got confused when i stepped on someones patch
  59. # [02:51] <drexler> np :)
  60. # [03:03] <tbsaunde> drexler: I'm back for a bit
  61. # [03:17] <drexler> tbsaunde: sure.
  62. # [03:57] <@eeejay> ok. i'll be back
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  70. # [04:41] <drexler> eeejay: ping
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  72. # [04:45] <drexler> guys, is the html5 mark element accessible. it should be right?
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  87. # [08:23] <@firebot> andrew.quartey@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 634302 on bug 762038.
  88. # [08:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762038 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, ASSI, get rid HyperTextAccessible CID
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  102. # [09:16] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted feedback for attachment 633682 on bug 756296.
  103. # [09:17] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756296 nor, --, mozilla16, eitan, NEW, nsIAccessiblePivot move to coordinate method
  104. # [09:21] <capella> eeejay: sorry about the collision earlier...
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  113. # [10:28] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 764203 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  114. # [10:28] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 764203 to FIXED.
  115. # [10:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=764203 nor, --, mozilla16, eitan, RESO FIXED, Don't notify pivot change if it has not actually changed
  116. # [10:37] <icaaq> MarcoZ: you got some mails yesterday? :)
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  122. # [12:16] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: Yeah! :)
  123. # [12:30] <icaaq> MarcoZ: great! I just had the time to look at the header. Will continue later on today :)
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  130. # [12:45] <@firebot> capella: eww, i prefer milk with my coffee
  131. # [12:45] <capella> firebot: milk
  132. # [12:45] <@firebot> capella: milk is cow juice
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  141. # [15:09] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 634302 on bug 762038.
  142. # [15:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762038 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, ASSI, get rid HyperTextAccessible CID
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  145. # [15:16] <@MarcoZ> hi davidb!
  146. # [15:16] * @MarcoZ just notices that the live region support in the output of the Thunderbird IM component is now working. Nice!
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  149. # [15:21] <@davidb> MarcoZ: where is the live region in tbird?
  150. # [15:21] <@davidb> also hi
  151. # [15:22] <@davidb> and hi all!
  152. # [15:22] <tbsaunde> davidb: hi
  153. # [15:23] <@davidb> hi hi hi
  154. # [15:27] <@MarcoZ> davidb: If you go to "Go to/Chat" and set up an account, the output window for the chat is now a live region.
  155. # [15:27] <@davidb> oh it isn't in my version
  156. # [15:29] <@MarcoZ> Latest nightly.
  157. # [15:29] <@MarcoZ> Umm...Latest Daily, even.
  158. # [15:32] <@davidb> heh
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  161. # [15:43] * @davidb finally watches junior demo
  162. # [15:46] <@MarcoZ> davidb: That reminds me....
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  166. # [16:04] <@MarcoZ> Made myself heard on the Yammer Junior thread, and also shot Limi an e-mail about it.
  167. # [16:06] <@davidb> good
  168. # [16:06] <@davidb> MarcoZ: might be easiest to ask to test it and report bugs.
  169. # [16:08] <tbsaunde> so, what is junior?
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  172. # [16:18] <@MarcoZ> davidb: That is *exactly* what I did. I also have a few links describing how to make an iOS app accessible.
  173. # [16:18] <@davidb> nice
  174. # [16:18] <@davidb> tbsaunde: a novel browsing experience by mozilla on ipad, via webkit i think
  175. # [16:18] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Can you explain in a nutshell what it is? It is for the iPad, and it isa browsing wrapper...With lots of cool UI features I hear.
  176. # [16:19] <@davidb> so far it appears to be a full screen browser
  177. # [16:19] <@davidb> i didn't watch the middle of the video - it was a bit slow paced
  178. # [16:19] <@davidb> (i promised Rich an SVG analysis soon)
  179. # [16:20] <@davidb> tbsaunde: what do you think of the PivotMoveReason typedef?
  180. # [16:20] <@davidb> i'd probably not bother, myself.
  181. # [16:21] <tbsaunde> davidb: well, if I was going to do it I'd probably make the function arg type that
  182. # [16:21] <tbsaunde> but I really don't cre either way
  183. # [16:21] <@davidb> didn't he?
  184. # [16:21] <tbsaunde> don't think so
  185. # [16:22] <@davidb> he did everywhere but in the event class
  186. # [16:22] <tbsaunde> I probably wouldn't bother since its really xpcom code and trying to have types that are useful in xpcom code is not a athing
  187. # [16:23] <@davidb> yeah
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  189. # [16:25] <tbsaunde> davidb: remember I'd probably describe making this nice as putting lipstick on a pig ;)
  190. # [16:26] <@davidb> tbsaunde: I PMed you
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  192. # [16:32] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 633688 on bug 756502.
  193. # [16:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756502 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add reason of change to pivot change notifications
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  195. # [16:33] <@davidb> tbsaunde: I'm a little nervous with jsat growing
  196. # [16:34] <@davidb> gotta check in with eeejay as regarding how much more is expected to go in there
  197. # [16:35] <@MarcoZ> davidb: What specifically worries you?
  198. # [16:36] <tbsaunde> davidb: growing how?
  199. # [16:36] <@davidb> MarcoZ: the unknown
  200. # [16:36] <@davidb> tbsaunde: lines of code
  201. # [16:36] <@davidb> i'm not actively worried.
  202. # [16:37] <@davidb> i mean accessfu and the surrounding support
  203. # [16:41] <tbsaunde> davidb: well, personally my guess is it would be simpler / smaller if you folded all the pivot stuff into jsat/
  204. # [16:41] <@davidb> that's probably true
  205. # [16:42] <@davidb> it is worth discussion
  206. # [16:42] <tbsaunde> especially if you consider the pivot stuff to really be a part of jsat which it seems to be
  207. # [16:43] <@MarcoZ> davidb: tbsaunde: Wasn't there a specific reason to do the pivot stuff in C++? I seem to remember that this was the case, but don't remember why atm.
  208. # [16:43] <@davidb> i wonder too
  209. # [16:44] <tbsaunde> I don't remember any that I thought was very good
  210. # [16:45] <tbsaunde> perf maybe???
  211. # [16:45] <@davidb> possibly, but this stuff is very UI based… not a lot of computation is there?
  212. # [16:46] <tbsaunde> well, tree walking
  213. # [16:46] <tbsaunde> and poking t accessibles
  214. # [16:50] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 766112 filed by bmo@edmorley.co.uk.
  215. # [16:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=766112 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Intermittent accessible/events/test_docload.xul | uncaught JS exception - TypeError: currentTabDocum
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  217. # [17:40] <@firebot> New Core - Keyboard: Navigation bug 766135 filed by ignaciomiguel@ymail.com.
  218. # [17:40] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=766135 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Mozilla Firefox 14.0 blocks (not responding) for 2-3 seconds every time I interact with it.
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  229. # [18:24] <tbsaunde> drexler: what's up?
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  233. # [18:26] <drexler> tbsaunde: just a question i had for him. is the html5 mark element accessible?
  234. # [18:28] <drexler> tbsaunde: this is from bug 761910.
  235. # [18:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761910 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, ASSI, add text attributes testing for HTML5 mark color
  236. # [18:28] <drexler> i modified the patch to access the mark element via the id attribute directly but hit test errors about not finding an accessible for it.
  237. # [18:30] <tbsaunde> drexler: I'm not sure off hand
  238. # [18:30] <tbsaunde> it might well be that we jsut consider it a text leaf and don't create an accessible for it
  239. # [18:30] <tbsaunde> you could look in dom inspector
  240. # [18:31] * @eeejay waves
  241. # [18:31] <@eeejay> drexler, yo
  242. # [18:31] <tbsaunde> but tbh I don't really see anything wrong with getElementById("blah").firstchild type things in tests we do it in plenty of other places
  243. # [18:32] <@eeejay> drexler, sorry to cause you trouble
  244. # [18:32] <drexler> dom inspector. that's something new. i will look into that.
  245. # [18:33] <drexler> eeejay: no problem, it's all fun :)
  246. # [18:35] <@eeejay> could anyone with a windows build setup test a mochitest for me?
  247. # [18:35] <@eeejay> probably need to set that up for myself anyway...
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  259. # [19:20] <capella> eeejay: didja get your windows test?
  260. # [19:20] <@eeejay> capella, nope
  261. # [19:20] <capella> im on win ... can i help?
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  263. # [19:20] <@eeejay> capella, waiting for a try build. but if you would like to give this a shot and figure out why this test fails, i would be eternally grateful
  264. # [19:21] <@eeejay> capella, testing with the patch in bug 764686
  265. # [19:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=764686 nor, --, mozilla16, eitan, NEW, Accessible::ChildAtPoint should be consistent with GetBounds
  266. # [19:21] <capella> ill do what I can ... hacking a patch here myself ... lets see ....
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  271. # [19:27] <capella> hmmm ... looking .... imgmap vs. image for the accessible?
  272. # [19:27] <capella> lemme drop a few other things ...
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  276. # [19:33] <capella> eeejay: the test_general.html you've modified because of my/surkovs changes ... it expects accessible = "imgmap" ... your
  277. # [19:33] <capella> name is "image" ... only thing i see real quick with actually trying it
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  279. # [19:34] <@eeejay> capella, "image" is a different test on that page
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  282. # [19:35] <capella> o i c it in the diff ...
  283. # [19:38] <@eeejay> capella, i'm looking to figure out why that test fails on windows in comment #17
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  287. # [19:43] <@davidb> is it bad that when i hear "like a g6" i think of compiling "-j6"?
  288. # [19:45] <khuey> yes
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  291. # [19:47] <@davidb> -j6, -j6
  292. # [19:47] <@davidb> watching the log fly like a -j6
  293. # [19:47] <capella> well cool - i got my bug fixed .... building yours
  294. # [19:49] * @davidb builds a fresh tree on windows
  295. # [19:50] <capella> gotta talk to tbsaunde ... thinks ive got a XULListBox bug or two or perhaps incorrect understanding
  296. # [19:52] <tbsaunde> capella: hi?
  297. # [19:52] <@davidb> the big dev meeting in half hour… any call outs?
  298. # [19:54] <capella> tbsaunde: hi! testing the changes to SelectedCells/Row/Cols Indices and found XULListbox behaviours I dont follow
  299. # [19:55] <icaaq> What is announced with fx and voice over if you put an image in a content css property?
  300. # [19:55] <tbsaunde> capella: oh?
  301. # [19:56] <@davidb> icaaq: i have no idea
  302. # [19:56] <icaaq> safari and chrome announces "image"
  303. # [19:56] <capella> yah ... i can make the code behave as before so tests pass ... but it doesnt feel right
  304. # [19:56] <icaaq> with voice over
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  306. # [19:57] <tbsaunde> capella: ok?
  307. # [19:57] <capella> yah ... ill post the new patch with nsTArray's later and point to the stuff I find weird ... hard to explain here
  308. # [19:58] <tbsaunde> ok
  309. # [19:59] <tbsaunde> my queue seems to be fairly empty for the momemt
  310. # [20:00] <capella> i have time too ... waiting on the other contributors (name?) push in xpcaccessible stuff ... then i have one I think you're almost ready to
  311. # [20:00] <capella> approve, then this one comes last ...
  312. # [20:06] <@firebot> mh+mozilla@glandium.org changed the Status on bug 765172 from RESOLVED to REOPENED.
  313. # [20:06] <@firebot> mh+mozilla@glandium.org cleared the Resolution 'INVALID' from bug 765172.
  314. # [20:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765172 cri, --, ---, nobody, REOP, Crash during a11y/accessible/focus/test_takeFocus.html | Exited with code -1073741819 during test ru
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  320. # [20:12] <capella> go glandium!
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  324. # [20:22] <@firebot> mh+mozilla@glandium.org set status-firefox16 to affected on bug 765172.
  325. # [20:22] <@firebot> mh+mozilla@glandium.org set status-firefox-esr to affected on bug 765172.
  326. # [20:22] <@firebot> mh+mozilla@glandium.org set status-firefox14 to affected on bug 765172.
  327. # [20:22] <@firebot> mh+mozilla@glandium.org set status-firefox15 to affected on bug 765172.
  328. # [20:22] <@firebot> mh+mozilla@glandium.org set status-firefox13 to affected on bug 765172.
  329. # [20:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765172 cri, --, ---, nobody, REOP, Crash during a11y/accessible/focus/test_takeFocus.html | Exited with code -1073741819 during test ru
  330. # [20:40] <@davidb> well that is some investigative work right there
  331. # [20:41] <@eeejay> davidb, you mean your toronto office vidyo walkthrough?
  332. # [20:41] * @davidb blushes
  333. # [20:41] <tbsaunde> davidb: yeah, it can be really useful to see how working and broken are different sometimes :)
  334. # [20:41] <@davidb> yep
  335. # [20:41] <@davidb> tbsaunde: can you take that bug?
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  338. # [20:42] <tbsaunde> davidb: any chance you feel confident reviewing a patch to that stuff?
  339. # [20:42] <@davidb> sure
  340. # [20:42] <@davidb> you can add glandium as an additional reviewer
  341. # [20:43] <tbsaunde> davidb: well, that wouldn't really help
  342. # [20:44] <@davidb> it depends on the patch probably
  343. # [20:44] <@davidb> we might need a separate one for non-trunk
  344. # [20:44] <tbsaunde> davidb: I know what the patch will look like other than which enum values will be
  345. # [20:46] <@davidb> tbsaunde: are you taking the bug?
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  347. # [20:52] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 632113 on bug 750612.
  348. # [20:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750612 maj, --, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] Too much is exposed to VoiceOver that is actually not currently visible/interactable
  349. # [20:52] <tbsaunde> davidb: not sure, up to glandium he said he could just do it a few minutes ago to which I won't object
  350. # [20:52] <@davidb> ok
  351. # [20:53] <tbsaunde> but I don't really mind adding what I just put in the bug to the array
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  356. # [21:01] <@firebot> mh+mozilla@glandium.org requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 634523 on bug 765172.
  357. # [21:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765172 cri, --, ---, nobody, REOP, Crash during a11y/accessible/focus/test_takeFocus.html | Exited with code -1073741819 during test ru
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  360. # [21:04] <@firebot> mh+mozilla@glandium.org requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 634524 on bug 765172.
  361. # [21:06] <@firebot> mh+mozilla@glandium.org requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 634525 on bug 765172.
  362. # [21:07] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 766238 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  363. # [21:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=766238 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Introduce utility module
  364. # [21:08] <@firebot> mh+mozilla@glandium.org requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 634526 on bug 765172.
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  366. # [21:08] <tbsaunde> davidb|1on1: so, interested in reviewing that, or should I just do my best and you can file a bug if it seems wrong?
  367. # [21:08] <@davidb|1on1> tbsaunde: go ahead, i trust you.
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  370. # [21:09] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i'll be hear to discuss it with you if you see crazy stuff
  371. # [21:09] <@davidb> here
  372. # [21:09] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 634527 on bug 766238.
  373. # [21:09] <@hub> so by the gist of it, for Junior they don't use UIKit
  374. # [21:09] <@hub> but some cross platform stuff
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  376. # [21:10] <@davidb> hub: custom stuff?
  377. # [21:10] <@hub> yeah
  378. # [21:10] <@hub> I don't know exactly which
  379. # [21:10] <@davidb> js?
  380. # [21:10] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 766240 filed by mh+mozilla@glandium.org.
  381. # [21:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=766240 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Expandoify nsTextEquivUtils::gRoleToNameRulesMap
  382. # [21:11] <tbsaunde> davidb: in a gun store when accept I know more about guns than this code? :-P
  383. # [21:12] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org cancelled review?(dbolter@mozilla.com ) for attachment 634527 on bug 766238.
  384. # [21:12] <tbsaunde> davidb: does the note and figure being eFromSubtree and eNoRule make atleast some sense?
  385. # [21:12] <@davidb> looking
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  387. # [21:14] <@hub> davidb: some XML based language that you convert to generate iOS, Android, etc
  388. # [21:15] <@hub> I can't find the brownbag on air moz,
  389. # [21:15] <@hub> if that's the one they use
  390. # [21:17] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 634523 on bug 765172.
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  392. # [21:17] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765172 cri, --, ---, mh+mozilla, REOP, Crash during a11y/accessible/focus/test_takeFocus.html | Exited with code -1073741819 during test ru
  393. # [21:17] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i'm refreshing my knowledge… now looking at bug 455886
  394. # [21:17] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=455886 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, AccessibleNameFromSubtree(): don't recurse into subtrees for roles that don't use name from subtree
  395. # [21:18] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 634524 on bug 765172.
  396. # [21:19] <tbsaunde> davidb: ok, I can look at that after I eat
  397. # [21:19] <@davidb> it wasn't that useful
  398. # [21:19] <tbsaunde> davidb: oh, ok
  399. # [21:20] <@davidb> tbsaunde: there are two more patches to review on the same bug
  400. # [21:20] <tbsaunde> davidb: assuming the comments / names are right I think the question is should hte name for note and figure come from the subtree if there's nothing else?
  401. # [21:20] <tbsaunde> davidb: I know, and they're exactly the same
  402. # [21:20] <@davidb> i'm not sure
  403. # [21:21] <tbsaunde> neither seems absolutely crazy, but I'm not sure without eating and reading specs
  404. # [21:22] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 634534 on bug 766238.
  405. # [21:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=766238 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Introduce utility module
  406. # [21:22] <@davidb> i think eNoRule for figure
  407. # [21:23] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 634526 on bug 765172.
  408. # [21:23] <@davidb> and for note
  409. # [21:25] <@davidb> for note… it is less obvious
  410. # [21:25] <@davidb> so i'm ok with the patch
  411. # [21:26] <@davidb> and we can follow up.
  412. # [21:27] <tbsaunde> davidb: ok, should I file that or you?
  413. # [21:27] <@davidb> i think there is one
  414. # [21:28] <@davidb> didn't glandium file a follow up?
  415. # [21:28] <@davidb> oh not exactly
  416. # [21:28] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 634525 on bug 765172.
  417. # [21:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765172 cri, --, ---, mh+mozilla, REOP, Crash during a11y/accessible/focus/test_takeFocus.html | Exited with code -1073741819 during test ru
  418. # [21:29] <tbsaunde> davidb: yeah, for a different thing we should fix :\
  419. # [21:29] <@davidb> yeah
  420. # [21:30] <@davidb> tbsaunde: so the only danger with eFromSubtree is that readers might speak the text twice
  421. # [21:35] <tbsaunde> davidb: yeah
  422. # [21:35] * Bryen wanders into the room and wonders if everything is accessible yet...
  423. # [21:42] <@davidb> tbsaunde: our markup name mochitests are way overengineered
  424. # [21:46] <Bryen> is mochitests a real word?
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  426. # [21:50] <@hub> Bryen: yes it is
  427. # [21:50] <@hub> make mochitest is a valid target
  428. # [21:50] <@hub> :-)
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  431. # [22:04] <Bryen> so what is mochitest? some laboratory at Starbucks to verify the mocha latte is safe to consume?
  432. # [22:04] <tbsaunde> Bryen: a test suit
  433. # [22:04] <tbsaunde> davidb: oh?
  434. # [22:05] <@davidb> http://dxr.lanedo.com/mozilla-central/accessible/tests/mochitest/name/markuprules.xml.html
  435. # [22:06] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 634556 on bug 718625.
  436. # [22:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718625 nor, P2, ---, nobody, NEW, [Mac] VoiceOver says "text" after each chunk of text it reads inside paragraphs, does not do that in
  437. # [22:10] <tbsaunde> davidb: oh, xml gross
  438. # [22:10] <@davidb> heh
  439. # [22:11] <tbsaunde> just don't tell me we use e4x to parse it :)
  440. # [22:13] <tbsaunde> davidb: its so over engineered i'm not sure how to fix it off hand
  441. # [22:20] <@hub> davidb: ok it is not the framework I thought they were using for Junior.
  442. # [22:20] <@hub> davidb: "The prototype is largely implemented with Appcelerator’s Titanium framework, which allows developers to create native iOS applications with JavaScript."
  443. # [22:20] <@hub> http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/06/mozilla-shows-experimental-junior-browser-for-ios/
  444. # [22:21] <@davidb> so we'll need to file appcelerator a11y bugs
  445. # [22:25] <@hub> davidb: or wait that they rewrite it like they said they would
  446. # [22:26] <tbsaunde> hub: rewrite how?
  447. # [22:27] <@hub> tbsaunde: using Objective-C and UIKit
  448. # [22:29] <tbsaunde> hub: oh
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  454. # [22:48] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 634534 on bug 766238.
  455. # [22:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=766238 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Introduce utility module
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  457. # [22:49] <tbsaunde> hub: please tell me + CallQueryInterface(accessible, &mGeckoTextLeafAccessible); doesn't actually compile
  458. # [22:49] <tbsaunde> since we don't define a cid for that class
  459. # [22:49] <tbsaunde> so trying to QI to it makes no sense
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  462. # [23:04] <tbsaunde> hub: in any case you should use AsTextLeaf()
  463. # [23:05] * Parts: clown (clown@67828CC7.C1A51174.9D42CF23.IP)
  464. # [23:24] <@hub> tbsaunde: is does compile, but in light of that other patch, I'll change it
  465. # [23:24] <@hub> tbsaunde: to use AsTextLeaf()
  466. # [23:25] <tbsaunde> hub: that other patch?
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  468. # [23:26] <@hub> tbsaunde: bug 762038
  469. # [23:26] * tbsaunde would be curious why that compiles if there was any reasonable reason to QI accessibles
  470. # [23:27] <gavin> I have a question about the accessibility of HTML content within a xul:panel
  471. # [23:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762038 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, ASSI, get rid HyperTextAccessible CID
  472. # [23:27] <gavin> or maybe html content in xul in general
  473. # [23:27] <gavin> has that ever come up? has it been an issue?
  474. # [23:27] <@hub> oh, xul:panel
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  476. # [23:27] <tbsaunde> gavin: oh? I might well not have an answer, but I can try
  477. # [23:27] <tbsaunde> hub: that bug *shouldn't* be realted
  478. # [23:27] <@hub> gavin: I think bug 750612 is one of the thing that came up
  479. # [23:27] <gavin> well, that's my only question at the moment :)
  480. # [23:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750612 maj, --, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] Too much is exposed to VoiceOver that is actually not currently visible/interactable
  481. # [23:28] <tbsaunde> gavin: I don't really know of issues related to html in xul
  482. # [23:28] <gavin> for context, we're looking into implementing a UI that looks like http://cl.ly/3D313g0E421l3T062K29
  483. # [23:28] <tbsaunde> what are you trying to do?
  484. # [23:28] <gavin> for social integration in the browser
  485. # [23:29] <gavin> we're considering options for how to implement that while retaining the most styling flexibility
  486. # [23:29] <gavin> one option is using HTML in that panel, rather than a XUL menu
  487. # [23:29] <gavin> I wonder whether that raises any accessibility red flags, or whether it'd be workable with some ARIA magic
  488. # [23:30] <tbsaunde> I don't see why that should break naything off hand
  489. # [23:30] <@hub> gavin: I don't see how it would break either
  490. # [23:31] <tbsaunde> gavin: its not obvious to me that just putting html elements in a xul document would require aria
  491. # [23:31] <gavin> ok
  492. # [23:31] <gavin> well this is good initial feedback
  493. # [23:32] <tbsaunde> I would expect for the most part the html would be just as accessible as if it was in a html doc
  494. # [23:32] <gavin> we're a little ways away from landing anything
  495. # [23:32] <gavin> so I'll explore further
  496. # [23:32] <tbsaunde> ok :)
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  499. # [23:39] <tbsaunde> capella: drexler either of you willing to take bug 766240?
  500. # [23:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=766240 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Expandoify nsTextEquivUtils::gRoleToNameRulesMap
  501. # [23:40] <@hub> gavin: is this in a branch or will it land on central?
  502. # [23:40] * drexler looking
  503. # [23:40] <@hub> gavin: DOM Inspector should even show you the accessibile tree
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  505. # [23:46] <drexler> tbsaunde: will take it up :)
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