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  1. # Session Start: Wed Jun 20 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:04] <tbsaunde> drexler: thx
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  9. # [01:12] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 761911 from --- to mozilla16.
  10. # [01:12] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com granted in-testsuite on bug 761911.
  11. # [01:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761911 nor, --, mozilla16, andrew.quartey, ASSI, add text attribute testing for HTML strike and s elements
  12. # [01:13] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 762038 from --- to mozilla16.
  13. # [01:13] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com denied in-testsuite on bug 762038.
  14. # [01:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762038 nor, --, mozilla16, andrew.quartey, ASSI, get rid HyperTextAccessible CID
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  16. # [01:28] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com granted checkin for attachment 633738 on bug 761589.
  17. # [01:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761589 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Make accessibility.force_disabled cross platform
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  23. # [02:27] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 634668 on bug 756296.
  24. # [02:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756296 nor, --, mozilla16, eitan, NEW, nsIAccessiblePivot move to coordinate method
  25. # [02:28] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 634669 on bug 756502.
  26. # [02:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756502 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add reason of change to pivot change notifications
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  33. # [03:20] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com denied review for attachment 634556 on bug 718625.
  34. # [03:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718625 nor, P2, ---, nobody, NEW, [Mac] VoiceOver says "text" after each chunk of text it reads inside paragraphs, does not do that in
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  49. # [06:36] <@davidb|mobile> hmm
  50. # [06:42] <drexler> capella: ping
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  52. # [06:43] <capella> ?
  53. # [06:43] <drexler> capella: well versed in using the DOM Inspector??
  54. # [06:43] <drexler> you're my goto guy for 'tutorials' :)
  55. # [06:44] <capella> basic user .... im not an expert
  56. # [06:44] <drexler> ok...that should do
  57. # [06:44] <capella> whats up?
  58. # [06:44] <drexler> i trying to determine whether a element is accessible or not
  59. # [06:45] <drexler> and loaded up the test page in the DOM Inspector.
  60. # [06:45] <capella> oh that html5 <mark> stuff again?
  61. # [06:45] <drexler> yeah...that one
  62. # [06:46] <capella> and?
  63. # [06:46] <drexler> if that element is accessible...
  64. # [06:47] <drexler> it should be listed in the left pane...under the "Document-Accessible Tree" right?
  65. # [06:48] <drexler> i am assuming you have the add-on loaded.
  66. # [06:48] <capella> I thinhk so, I don't believe its an accessible element
  67. # [06:48] <capella> I'd have to scroll back to what tbsaunde was saying, but I dont think we have any thing like HTMLMarkAccessible.cpp file
  68. # [06:49] <capella> its in the DOMtree but if anything its a generic acessible
  69. # [06:49] <drexler> just an aside...any html element that is accessible has a corresponding HTML{element_name}Accessible.h/.cpp file??
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  72. # [06:59] <capella> tbsaunde said something earlier ... it looks like a text leaf in the dom ... html markup handles the highlighting
  73. # [07:01] <drexler> that's what i am seeing here. btw thanks
  74. # [07:01] <capella> well no ... sometimes theres things like group classes HTMLElementAccessibles hs classes for HTMLHRaccessible, BRaccessible, etc...
  75. # [07:02] <drexler> ok
  76. # [07:04] <capella> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-api-map/raw-file/tip/Overview.html
  77. # [07:04] <capella> ---^ some stuff scroll down to part about mark ...
  78. # [07:05] <capella> maps to text role ... again text tea leaf
  79. # [07:08] <drexler> interesting stuff...a link to keep. only had the whatwg link to date.
  80. # [07:10] <capella> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-api-map/raw-file/tip/Overview.html
  81. # [07:11] <capella> ooops sorry
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  88. # [08:02] <firewolfbot> The Tinderbox module in firebot has been unloaded, if by some remote chance you were depending on it. Let Wolf know. Thanks!
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  92. # [08:34] <firewolfbot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 766471 filed by jruderman@gmail.com.
  93. # [08:34] <firewolfbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=766471 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, "ASSERTION: Wrong offset of the DOM point!" and crash
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  99. # [09:43] <firewolfbot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Status on bug 570322 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  100. # [09:43] <firewolfbot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com set the Resolution field on bug 570322 to FIXED.
  101. # [09:43] <firewolfbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=570322 nor, --, mozilla16, markcapella, RESO FIXED, random fail of image map (area) accessible creation
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  105. # [10:28] <firewolfbot> mh+mozilla@glandium.org set the Resolution field on bug 765172 to FIXED.
  106. # [10:28] <firewolfbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765172 cri, --, ---, mh+mozilla, RESO FIXED, Crash during a11y/accessible/focus/test_takeFocus.html | Exited with code -1073741819 during test ru
  107. # [10:29] <firewolfbot> mh+mozilla@glandium.org changed the Target Milestone on bug 765172 from --- to mozilla16.
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  113. # [11:28] <firewolfbot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 761763 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  114. # [11:28] <firewolfbot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 761763 to FIXED.
  115. # [11:28] <firewolfbot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 761763 from --- to mozilla16.
  116. # [11:28] <firewolfbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761763 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Re-enable Mac a11y in nightly
  117. # [11:28] <firewolfbot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 762038 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  118. # [11:28] <firewolfbot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 762038 to FIXED.
  119. # [11:28] <firewolfbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762038 nor, --, mozilla16, andrew.quartey, ASSI, get rid HyperTextAccessible CID
  120. # [11:28] <firewolfbot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 761911 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  121. # [11:28] <firewolfbot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 761911 to FIXED.
  122. # [11:28] <firewolfbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761911 nor, --, mozilla16, andrew.quartey, RESO FIXED, add text attribute testing for HTML strike and s elements
  123. # [11:32] <@askalski> hi everyone
  124. # [11:33] <@tbsaunde> askalski: morning
  125. # [11:35] <@MarcoZ> askalski: tbsaunde: Morning!
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  129. # [11:56] <@askalski> tbsaunde, I have the weirdest error on the planet
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  131. # [11:57] <@tbsaunde> askalski: ok?
  132. # [11:58] <@askalski> tbsaunde, well, I tried to query the accessible with role "application"
  133. # [11:58] <@askalski> tbsaunde, for IAccessible2 interface
  134. # [11:58] <@askalski> tbsaunde, but
  135. # [11:59] <@askalski> tbsaunde, for some unknown reason, in every time I try to query for IAccessible2 it returns (wait for it) role="internal frame" and fails!
  136. # [12:01] <@tbsaunde> askalski: how does QI get a role?
  137. # [12:03] <@askalski> tbsaunde, well, I iterate in a subtree of MSAA
  138. # [12:03] <@askalski> tbsaunde, since the only idea to get IA2 from HWND was to go via MSAA
  139. # [12:05] <@tbsaunde> askalski: sure, but what you seem to be saying is you get an accessible with role application and call QI on it and it returns internal frame role nd fails which makes no sense because QI doesn't return a role
  140. # [12:05] <@askalski> tbsaunde, no
  141. # [12:06] <@askalski> tbsaunde, it's I iterate in subtree of MSAA nodes, and look for the one that has a role of "application", since this is the one you suggested may expose IAccessible2 as well
  142. # [12:06] <@askalski> tbsaunde, I QI on it for IAccessible2 and it fails
  143. # [12:06] <@askalski> tbsaunde, but what's even funnier
  144. # [12:06] <@askalski> tbsaunde, I can't find it!
  145. # [12:06] <@askalski> tbsaunde, the one that used to be application is now "internal frame" :D
  146. # [12:08] <@askalski> tbsaunde, and I cannot find what makes the difference, which operation happen to change this node's behaviour between XML dump and IA2 lookup
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  148. # [12:09] <@tbsaunde> askalski: I'm pretty sure a internal frame should expose ia2 too
  149. # [12:09] <@askalski> tbsaunde, well, it does not. or something faisl
  150. # [12:10] <@askalski> tbsaunde, it might be the version issue then
  151. # [12:10] <@askalski> tbsaunde, but I do lookup via guid, and these matches
  152. # [12:10] <@askalski> tbsaunde, I am checking if "InstantiateA11y" makes difference
  153. # [12:12] <@tbsaunde> askalski: I'd probably grab a debugger then, or maybe spew printfs in to QI's in msaa/ and see what happens
  154. # [12:13] <@askalski> tbsaunde, I am takin another route: I will create a full MSAA tree, find "application" node and QI on it
  155. # [12:14] <@askalski> tbsaunde, I know I might be going around a bug
  156. # [12:14] <@askalski> tbsaunde, but I would like to narrow the suspect list yet in python
  157. # [12:16] <@tbsaunde> askalski: you should probably try other roles too I'd expect almost anything under the window object implements ia2
  158. # [12:17] <@askalski> tbsaunde, that's why I do the full MSAA tree. I will dive in it with BFS and look for IA2. If everything fails, I know the interface receiver is screwed, if some nodes succeed, it will be fun
  159. # [12:25] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde: askalski: You may need to reregister the IA2 COM server. I know I had to do it once when I found that suddenly, ccProbe stopped working and only showed me MSAA pieces of the Firefox window.
  160. # [12:27] <@askalski> MarcoZ, what is IA2 COM serwer?
  161. # [12:31] <@MarcoZ> askalski: IAccessible2Proxy.dll.
  162. # [12:32] <@askalski> MarcoZ, right
  163. # [12:45] <@askalski> MarcoZ, installed, still no progress
  164. # [12:45] <@askalski> any clues?
  165. # [12:45] <@MarcoZ> askalski: It needs to be registered with regsvr32 IAccessible2Proxy.dll
  166. # [12:45] <@askalski> MarcoZ, did
  167. # [12:45] <@MarcoZ> askalski: May need to restart the version of Firefox you're testing on.
  168. # [12:46] <@askalski> MarcoZ, my testing framework restarts Nighlty with fresh profile all the times
  169. # [12:57] <@MarcoZ> askalski: Sorry, am out of ideas if the DLL is now properly registered. Hmmmm...
  170. # [12:57] <@askalski> MarcoZ, well, accProbe fails as well
  171. # [12:57] <@MarcoZ> This usually does the trick for me.
  172. # [12:57] <@askalski> MarcoZ, it's windows, let's reboot :D
  173. # [12:57] <@MarcoZ> Good idea!
  174. # [12:58] * @tbsaunde wonders what askalski's objection to debuggers is
  175. # [13:00] <@askalski> tbsaunde, MarcoZ, ok, now I got it
  176. # [13:01] <@askalski> tbsaunde, MarcoZ, the Firefox application DO NOT implement IAccessible2. It does IAccessibleAction, IAccessibleComponent and IAccessibleHypertext, although the last one gives assertions when Acc-Probed
  177. # [13:01] <@askalski> tbsaunde, MarcoZ , that's what AccProbe gives me
  178. # [13:02] <@tbsaunde> askalski: that sounds bad
  179. # [13:03] <@tbsaunde> askalski: you should figure out why that is
  180. # [13:03] <@askalski> tbsaunde, I will recompile first
  181. # [13:04] <@askalski> tbsaunde, anyway, AccProbe has no entry for IAccessible2 itself, just some other iterfaces declared in standard
  182. # [13:04] <@askalski> tbsaunde, so no way I can try it
  183. # [13:04] <@askalski> tbsaunde, I will generate handlers to other interfaces
  184. # [13:06] <@tbsaunde> askalski: not sure what you mean
  185. # [13:07] <@askalski> tbsaunde, so be able to QI I need to use GUID of an interface
  186. # [13:08] <@askalski> tbsaunde, I guess that other interfaces (like IAccessibleAction) have their own GUIDs, right?
  187. # [13:08] <@askalski> tbsaunde, yep, they have their own guids
  188. # [13:08] <@askalski> tbsaunde, I guess I can QueryInterface for them, as AccDoes
  189. # [13:08] <@askalski> tbsaunde, AccProbe does
  190. # [13:12] <@tbsaunde> askalski: I'm still fairly concerned you can't QI to IAccessible2 but can apparently QI the application accessible to stuff only implemented on hypertext accessibles
  191. # [13:13] <@askalski> tbsaunde, I rebuild and retry.
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  194. # [13:51] <firewolfbot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 634042 on bug 765371.
  195. # [13:51] <firewolfbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765371 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, decomtaminate GetSelected-RowCount / ColumnCount / CellCount on accessible tables
  196. # [13:52] <capella> tbsaunde: cool! you were reading my mind ...
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  206. # [14:27] <@davidb> heyo
  207. # [14:30] <@firebot> bmcbride@mozilla.com denied review for attachment 633404 on bug 492557.
  208. # [14:30] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=492557 nor, --, ---, hobinjk, ASSI, create a keyboard shortcut HUD?
  209. # [14:36] <@tbsaunde> hi davidb
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  213. # [15:09] <capella> firebot: bedtime
  214. # [15:09] <@firebot> capella: well, duh. bedtime is Say goodnight Dick!
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  221. # [15:54] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 634668 on bug 756296.
  222. # [15:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756296 nor, --, mozilla16, eitan, NEW, nsIAccessiblePivot move to coordinate method
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  226. # [16:05] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 634669 on bug 756502.
  227. # [16:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756502 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add reason of change to pivot change notifications
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  229. # [16:19] <@davidb> MarcoZ: can you confirm with glandium the plan for requesting approvals on bug 765172?
  230. # [16:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765172 cri, --, mozilla16, mh+mozilla, RESO FIXED, Crash during a11y/accessible/focus/test_takeFocus.html | Exited with code -1073741819 during test ru
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  234. # [16:36] <@MarcoZ> davidb: On it.
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  236. # [16:39] <@MarcoZ> davidbDid he specify this anywhere? I don't find it in the comments of that bug, other than the patches themselves.
  237. # [16:48] <@davidb> MarcoZ: sorry - had 1:1… he has about 4 patches on the bug… 1 for each branch i think
  238. # [16:48] <@davidb> tbsaunde: do you know the plan for branch landings?
  239. # [16:48] <@davidb> or approvals rather
  240. # [16:49] <@davidb> MarcoZ: you could probably just go ahead and request approval if your happy with the QA
  241. # [16:49] <@tbsaunde> davidb: no
  242. # [16:49] <@davidb> ok
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  248. # [17:14] <@MarcoZ> davidbI guess we're just lucky that nobody tried to set an ARIA name on a definition term yet. :) The qA is OK. Does this describe it properly, if we don't take this, we run the risk of users crashing if web authors use specific ARIA attributes on elements like html:dt etc.?
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  253. # [17:15] <@davidb> yeah
  254. # [17:18] <@MarcoZ> davidb: OK! I'll start a round of approval requests, then.
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  256. # [17:23] <firewolfbot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested approval-mozilla-aurora from the wind for attachment 634523 on bug 765172.
  257. # [17:24] <firewolfbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765172 cri, --, mozilla16, mh+mozilla, RESO FIXED, Crash during a11y/accessible/focus/test_takeFocus.html | Exited with code -1073741819 during test ru
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  259. # [17:26] <firewolfbot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested approval-mozilla-beta from the wind for attachment 634524 on bug 765172.
  260. # [17:29] <firewolfbot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested approval-mozilla-release from the wind for attachment 634525 on bug 765172.
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  262. # [17:32] <firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested approval-mozilla-esr10 from the wind for attachment 634526 on bug 765172.
  263. # [17:32] <@MarcoZ> Done.
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  265. # [17:37] <@davidb> ta
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  267. # [18:22] <@hub> I get mails about Talos regression
  268. # [18:23] <@hub> shall I just treat as spam?
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  270. # [18:27] <@tbsaunde> hub: for a merge including 300 other changesets?
  271. # [18:33] <@hub> tbsaunde: something like that :-)
  272. # [18:34] <@davidb> i would like to think that talos serves a purpose and that's about all i can say
  273. # [18:35] <@tbsaunde> hub: yeah, then you probably safe ignoring it :)
  274. # [18:36] <@hub> davidb: testing postini :-)
  275. # [18:36] <@hub> oh wait. not even
  276. # [18:36] <@davidb> if it makes no sense - ignore it
  277. # [18:36] <@hub> like I have been
  278. # [18:36] <@davidb> that reminds me… i need to talk to taras about them.
  279. # [18:37] * @davidb adds to list
  280. # [18:37] <@tbsaunde> davidb: now I would like it if I had confidence we had useful talos for a11y :)
  281. # [18:37] <@davidb> tbsaunde: they need to be updated.
  282. # [18:37] <@davidb> i would llke it too
  283. # [18:38] <@tbsaunde> davidb: and cover more?
  284. # [18:38] <@davidb> if we can measure perf via telemetry that's better IMO
  285. # [18:38] <@davidb> yes cover more
  286. # [18:39] <@davidb> tbsaunde: when i built the tests, i had more but they didn't test problem areas… they would have been purely preventative… and it was deemed not worthwhile
  287. # [18:39] * @davidb shrugs
  288. # [18:40] <@tbsaunde> davidb: well, preventative, but also helps to know something helped things
  289. # [18:41] * @eeejay waves
  290. # [18:41] <@tbsaunde> davidb: it would be nice to know I made things faster by accident ;)
  291. # [18:42] <@davidb> tbsaunde: yeah i had to repeat a crazy number times to get enough msecs
  292. # [18:42] <@davidb> but it could use a fresh look and i'd be happy to discuss a potential Q3 goal
  293. # [18:43] <@eeejay> off to an appt. be back in an hour
  294. # [18:43] <@davidb> hopefully it is easier to get reviewed/landed talos changes these days
  295. # [18:43] <@davidb> eeejay: ciao
  296. # [18:43] <@davidb> tbsaunde: first question is what is the long term plan for talos tests generally?
  297. # [18:44] <@tbsaunde> davidb: true
  298. # [18:44] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I'd be fine with a huge number of iterations of the same or very similar tests
  299. # [18:45] <@davidb> i wonder if i still have them kicking around
  300. # [18:45] <@davidb> oh i remember
  301. # [18:45] <@davidb> so the hot paths for all the tests were the same (at least at the time)
  302. # [18:46] <@davidb> that's what led us to not taking them all.
  303. # [18:46] <@davidb> so i picked some that seemed to cover the most potential hotpaths
  304. # [18:46] <@davidb> and the known ones.
  305. # [18:47] <@tbsaunde> ok
  306. # [18:47] <@tbsaunde> have results changed any in the past while do you know, or have time to look at the graph thing for a second?
  307. # [18:47] <@davidb> heh they actually caught some wins in layout at least once
  308. # [18:48] <@davidb> i could - gotta dig up the link
  309. # [18:48] <@davidb> do you know it?
  310. # [18:48] <@tbsaunde> isn't it graphs.m.o? I'd just google
  311. # [18:48] <@davidb> thanks
  312. # [18:48] <@davidb> that triggers my memory
  313. # [18:50] <@davidb> hmm
  314. # [18:51] <@davidb> i see no data
  315. # [18:53] <@tbsaunde> !
  316. # [18:54] <@davidb> the custom graph view seems borken
  317. # [18:54] <@davidb> ]
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  323. # [19:03] <@davidb> solved
  324. # [19:03] <@davidb> i need to be looking at "a11y 2 MozAfterPaint" tests
  325. # [19:06] <@davidb> pretty horizontal the last 90 days
  326. # [19:06] * @davidb dials into a sec meeting
  327. # [19:07] <@davidb> the deviation became magically more pronounced at various points
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  334. # [19:18] <@hub> just got a reminder for the 7:30 a11y meeting
  335. # [19:18] <@hub> Thunderbird is definitely wrong
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  345. # [20:01] <@hub> so do we have a way to do, for that DOMNode (or Accessible) get all the text underneath?
  346. # [20:07] <@firebot> andrew.quartey@gmail.com requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 634976 on bug 761910.
  347. # [20:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761910 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, ASSI, add text attributes testing for HTML5 mark color
  348. # [20:11] <icaaq1> Yay, testing fx with VO again :)
  349. # [20:12] * icaaq1 is now known as icaaq
  350. # [20:12] <@hub> icaaq: it got enabled last night
  351. # [20:13] <icaaq> yes, just got the update on nightly
  352. # [20:18] <@hub> davidb: posted on dev-platform about Mac Accessibility
  353. # [20:19] <@davidb> ok cool
  354. # [20:19] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 765371 from --- to mozilla16.
  355. # [20:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765371 nor, --, mozilla16, markcapella, ASSI, decomtaminate GetSelected-RowCount / ColumnCount / CellCount on accessible tables
  356. # [20:22] <@hub> tbsaunde: would you have time to take over a review request that Alex did in the past?
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  362. # [20:26] <@tbsaunde> hub: which?
  363. # [20:26] <@hub> tbsaunde: bug 750612.
  364. # [20:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750612 maj, --, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] Too much is exposed to VoiceOver that is actually not currently visible/interactable
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  366. # [20:27] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 632113 on bug 750612.
  367. # [20:27] <@tbsaunde> hub: hm, is really better for that than I am
  368. # [20:27] <@tbsaunde> put Alex in in the appropriate spot
  369. # [20:28] <@hub> yeah but Alex is on vacation
  370. # [20:32] <@davidb> hub: i asked you something on Bug 759158
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  372. # [20:33] <@hub> davidb: let me see
  373. # [20:34] <@tbsaunde> hub: well, I'll take a look soonish
  374. # [20:34] <@davidb> hub: thanks
  375. # [20:34] <@hub> tbsaunde: ok. great.
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  378. # [20:37] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com requested review from gavin.sharp@gmail.c om for attachment 632391 on bug 759158.
  379. # [20:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759158 nor, --, ---, dbolter, NEW, Add accessibility status to about:support
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  382. # [20:54] <@davidb> just had a call with salesforce
  383. # [20:54] <@davidb> hoping i can fastback past product management… might get a dev contact
  384. # [20:55] <@davidb> (re rypple a11y)
  385. # [20:55] <@davidb> must avoid the "we'll add this to our backlog of things to do"
  386. # [20:55] <@davidb> this should take 1 day to get 80% better.
  387. # [20:56] <@hub> cool
  388. # [20:57] <@davidb> it all hinges on finding someone with the "get this shit done" attitude … no roadmapping no bantering
  389. # [20:57] <@davidb> i offered a weekend of my time
  390. # [20:58] <@davidb> we'll see
  391. # [21:02] <@davidb> hi ginn!
  392. # [21:09] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ?
  393. # [21:09] <@davidb> tbsaunde: hmm?
  394. # [21:10] <@tbsaunde> <@davidb> hi ginn!
  395. # [21:10] <@tbsaunde> oh@
  396. # [21:11] <@davidb> oh just not used to seeing his nick… and it was erroneously showing as not idle in my client.
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  402. # [21:47] <@davidb> eeejay: http://blog.margaretleibovic.com/post/25507020988/text-selection-in-fennec-native
  403. # [21:48] <@eeejay> davidb, yeah i saw that
  404. # [21:48] <@davidb> ok
  405. # [21:48] <@eeejay> hope it doesn't break the virtual-dpad again
  406. # [21:48] <@eeejay> need to test
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  408. # [22:43] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 635043 on bug 718625.
  409. # [22:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718625 nor, P2, ---, nobody, NEW, [Mac] VoiceOver says "text" after each chunk of text it reads inside paragraphs, does not do that in
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  417. # [23:22] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Target Milestone on bug 756502 from --- to mozilla16.
  418. # [23:22] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Target Milestone on bug 766238 from --- to mozilla16.
  419. # [23:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=766238 nor, --, mozilla16, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] Introduce utility module
  420. # [23:27] <@hub> eeejay: you no longer need to set the target milestone. the scripts do it for you
  421. # [23:27] <@eeejay> which scripts?
  422. # [23:27] <@hub> eeejay: the one the tree keepers use to merge
  423. # [23:27] <@eeejay> hub, if i land something in aurora, it will set it to mozilla15?
  424. # [23:28] <@hub> only on inbound
  425. # [23:28] <@hub> AFAIK
  426. # [23:28] <@eeejay> i c
  427. # [23:28] <@hub> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Tree_Rules/Inbound#Please_do_the_following_after_pushing_to_inbound
  428. # [23:28] <@eeejay> cool
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