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  1. # Session Start: Fri Jun 29 00:00:01 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:04] <capella> tbsaunde: you there?
  4. # [00:19] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 637697 on bug 767269.
  5. # [00:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=767269 nor, --, ---, markcapella, ASSI, ia2AccessibleText and ia2AccessibleEditbleText QI shouldn't call QI for nsIAccessibleText / Editabl
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  12. # [01:00] <@tbsaunde> capella: am now
  13. # [01:01] <capella> tbsaunde: i just wanted to mention the oddball nit in Xi's patch .... I put it in the bug for him instead
  14. # [01:02] <@tbsaunde> capella: ok, will look in a few
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  35. # [06:23] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted review for attachment 637564 on bug 768863.
  36. # [06:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=768863 nor, --, mozilla16, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] EBT should give a bit more context for touched items
  37. # [06:26] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted review for attachment 637569 on bug 769340.
  38. # [06:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=769340 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] We should not utter "list", it is redundant
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  41. # [06:51] <capella> naptime
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  44. # [07:15] <atuljangra> firebot: soft kitty
  45. # [07:15] <@firebot> atuljangra: Soft kitty, warm kitty, little ball of fur, happy kitty, sleepy kitty, purr, purr, purr.
  46. # [07:15] <atuljangra> capella: ^^ ;)
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  55. # [07:56] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 637256 on bug 761589.
  56. # [07:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761589 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Make accessibility.force_disabled cross platform
  57. # [08:08] <icaaq> MarcoZ: Have you seen any good examples using role="tablist"?
  58. # [08:19] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: Yahoo's YUI library has some good example usages, and Yahoo! mail uses them in an extensive and correct manner.
  59. # [08:19] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: I was hoping that F1 would use them correctly, too, but I actually don't know where that project went, if it is still alive or what.
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  67. # [09:11] <capella> i do one google search on phones / tablets and suddenly im getting email from china
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  69. # [09:22] <atuljangra> capella: heh why so?
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  96. # [14:28] <icaaq> MarcoZ: ok, I have another question, regarding headlines. On http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/ they use three h4-elements in a list of links. under "in the news". The list-elements only contains these headlines. Is it confusing that they use headlines or doesn't it matter? I know some people navigate pages using headlines...
  97. # [14:29] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: No, this is appropriate. These are headlines (or headings), and so these should be put into h-tags.
  98. # [14:31] <icaaq> MarcoZ: even if there's no other content in after the heading? what makes it a heading?
  99. # [14:33] <icaaq> MarcoZ: I can understand the use of a heading in the "in the know" list (that comes after in the news) there it's a heading followed by a small intro text.
  100. # [14:33] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: Yeah in this sense it's OK.
  101. # [14:34] <icaaq> MarcoZ: sorry, retyping the first one. even if there's no other content in the list item after the heading? what makes it a heading?
  102. # [14:34] <@MarcoZ> Even if there's no real content. The content is what will be shown if someone clicks the link. So logically, having these as headings is indeed OK.
  103. # [14:35] <icaaq> because of it's importance?
  104. # [14:37] <icaaq> I think it would be sufficient to have the <h3>In the news</h3> and the links should just be links in a list. I cant see why it's heading :)
  105. # [14:38] <icaaq> It's no big issue, just interesting discussing semantics...
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  112. # [14:58] <@davidb> heyo
  113. # [15:00] <@MarcoZ> Hi davidb!
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  115. # [15:02] <@MarcoZ> darn, Sumo still won't let me submit my article for review. "The server has reset the connection."
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  117. # [15:16] <@davidb> tbsaunde: thanks for digging a little on bug 769302
  118. # [15:17] <@davidb> looks easy
  119. # [15:18] <@davidb> let's see if someone picks it up, but i'd really like it done before uplift
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  125. # [16:05] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 637676 on bug 769304.
  126. # [16:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=769304 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Add accessibility platform status to about:support
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  128. # [16:13] <@firebot> gavin.sharp@gmail.com cancelled review?(gavin.sharp@gmail.c om) for attachment 637676 on bug 769304.
  129. # [16:13] <@firebot> gavin.sharp@gmail.com granted feedback for attachment 637676 on bug 769304.
  130. # [16:15] <@MarcoZ> Slow day today.
  131. # [16:15] <@davidb> oho!
  132. # [16:15] <@davidb> we shall fix that
  133. # [16:15] <@davidb> :)
  134. # [16:15] <@MarcoZ> :D If you can fix SuMo to accept my article, I'd be a lot happier. ;)
  135. # [16:15] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com requested feedback from marco.zehe@google mail.com for attachment 637676 on bug 769304.
  136. # [16:16] <@MarcoZ> Heh. What's the question you'd like me to give feedback on? ;)
  137. # [16:17] <@davidb> MarcoZ: I was thinking you could answer Gavin.
  138. # [16:17] <@davidb> and look over the patch and wording
  139. # [16:25] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted feedback for attachment 637676 on bug 769304.
  140. # [16:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=769304 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Add accessibility platform status to about:support
  141. # [16:26] <@davidb> thanks
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  145. # [16:45] <@davidb> I think it is possible to get W3C burnout.
  146. # [16:49] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Or start a shooting.
  147. # [16:49] <@davidb> heh
  148. # [16:58] <@MarcoZ> F*ck, I believe the form data didn't survive the many attempts I've tried sending that article to SuMo. That may have been two hours of work all for nothing.
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  150. # [17:02] <@davidb> oh no
  151. # [17:03] * davidb changes topic to '"build the web for everyone" | Q3 planning: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Planning/Goals'
  152. # [17:06] <@MarcoZ> Lots of items to look into.
  153. # [17:07] <@MarcoZ> And yeah, I am planning to keep an eye on MDN.
  154. # [17:07] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Re those 5% of users....Do we know how much this is in numbers, for example per day, per week or so? Do we have a chance to see how big our actual user base is?
  155. # [17:08] <@davidb> we'd need to ask taras
  156. # [17:09] <@davidb> MarcoZ: I'm pleased to hear you are considering MDN in scope.
  157. # [17:09] <@davidb> I wonder if we could curate some good docs
  158. # [17:10] <@davidb> when people ask me for info i still have to tell them a long list of blogs etc
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  160. # [17:10] <@davidb> i don't think i'm the one to lead such an effort… code talks was not a complete success
  161. # [17:14] <@MarcoZ> davidb: The problem is that a lot of good ideas are floating around the internets, for example on how to do certain ARIA stuff.
  162. # [17:15] <@MarcoZ> So, what incentive do we give people to publish this on our MDN and not on their blogs? :)
  163. # [17:15] <@MarcoZ> Or sell the article to a web dev magazine instead?
  164. # [17:16] <@davidb> right
  165. # [17:16] <@davidb> it is hard
  166. # [17:16] <@davidb> i think ultimately it requires writing it all oneself
  167. # [17:19] <@MarcoZ> davidb: And would MDN be the right place for it?
  168. # [17:19] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Awww cute, a guy in #sumo just wrote: "You're Marco Zehe, the a11y guy, right?" LOL
  169. # [17:20] <@davidb> hahahah
  170. # [17:20] <@davidb> MDN is about how to make the web work
  171. # [17:20] <@davidb> so yeah it could fit
  172. # [17:20] <@davidb> Also, MDN isn't supposed to be gecko specific.
  173. # [17:21] <@davidb> It could become a vendor neutral MSDN
  174. # [17:21] <@davidb> I am very impressed with MSDN BTW
  175. # [17:23] <@MarcoZ> davidb: The good thing is that those web devs who use jQuery UI, YUI or DOJO will get the ARIA stuff for free already. So it's mostly those that don't use such a toolkit and really go about writing such a widget themselves, that we have to target.
  176. # [17:23] <@davidb> yes.
  177. # [17:24] <@davidb> honestly, i'd rather leave it all to TPG or WebAim
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  179. # [17:26] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Yeah, maybe we can convince them to publish those for MDN, too, like after a two or three month period after publishing stuff on their site.
  180. # [17:27] <icaaq> yay! now keyboard users don't lose there focus on the startpage http://www.allizom.org/en-US/ !
  181. # [17:28] <@davidb> MarcoZ: worth a thought
  182. # [17:28] <@davidb> icaaq: :)
  183. # [17:30] <@MarcoZ> icaaq: Great!!
  184. # [17:30] <@MarcoZ> Thunderstorm approaching.
  185. # [17:31] <@MarcoZ> It's been terribly humid all day.
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  187. # [17:41] <@MarcoZ> YES! Thunderstorms and pouring rain. I love it! (when I'm inside)
  188. # [17:45] <khuey> the one thing I miss about Florida is the thunderstorms
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  190. # [18:00] <@davidb> i like it outside in the rain
  191. # [18:00] <@davidb> it is one of the rare times to experience toronto sidewalks empty
  192. # [18:01] <@davidb> at night in the rain is best
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  203. # [20:17] <@davidb> hub: http://www.omg-facts.com/Technology/The-first-iPhone-was-invented-in-1983/48072
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  207. # [20:24] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Do I get an extra bonus because the tag Accessibility manged to kill a sumo SQL server? :D
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  209. # [20:24] <@MarcoZ> INSERT INTO `taggit_tag` (`name`, `slug`) VALUES ('Accessibility', 'accessibility_15835')
  210. # [20:24] <@MarcoZ> Infinite loop on that statement.
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  213. # [20:30] <@davidb> LOL
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  216. # [20:40] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Target Milestone on bug 769340 from --- to mozilla16.
  217. # [20:40] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=769340 nor, --, mozilla16, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] We should not utter "list", it is redundant
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  220. # [20:47] <@MarcoZ> davidb: It's the capital A. This made it choke. had I written "accessibility", it would never have given me any errors. We still don't know why the db chokes on the capitalized tag.
  221. # [20:53] <@davidb> wild
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  224. # [21:09] <@MarcoZ> OK, off into the weekend. See you on Tuesday, davidb!
  225. # [21:10] <@davidb> MarcoZ: indeed! see ya!
  226. # [21:10] <@MarcoZ> And hub"!
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  239. # [23:05] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 637949 on bug 769304.
  240. # [23:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=769304 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Add accessibility platform status to about:support
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