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  1. # Session Start: Mon Jul 09 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  5. # [03:04] <@firebot> akeybl@mozilla.com granted approval-mozilla-aurora for attachment 637091 on bug 765110.
  6. # [03:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765110 nor, --, mozilla16, markcapella, RESO FIXED, TextLeafAccessibleWrap is never instanciated
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  19. # [09:18] <@MarcoZ> capella: Hi! Want me to land bug 765110 on Aurora for you?
  20. # [09:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765110 nor, --, mozilla16, markcapella, RESO FIXED, TextLeafAccessibleWrap is never instanciated
  21. # [09:18] <capella> marcoz: yes please! I forgot about that ...
  22. # [09:19] <@MarcoZ> Well it was only approved late last night, so no worries.
  23. # [09:20] <capella> right ... but its only the second such situation i've had ... and I forgot it required intervention by you (as our sheriff)
  24. # [09:21] <@MarcoZ> No, it doesn't. Basically, if it got approved, and you feel like you can land it yourself, go ahead. It's just that I'm offering to help out. ;)
  25. # [09:21] <@MarcoZ> Since I do have an up-to-date Aurora clone lying around anyway.
  26. # [09:22] <capella> marcoz: im not setup to do it yet, so ill be happy if you do
  27. # [09:22] <capella> also, landing on aurora basically jumps the patch "ahead" right? it would get there eventually as part
  28. # [09:22] <capella> of the normal migration scheme?
  29. # [09:22] <@MarcoZ> Yes, but the purpose of the Aurora approvals is to land stuff there *befor* the next regular merge.
  30. # [09:23] <@MarcoZ> We regressed in 15, and this makes sure the regression does not go onto beta. So we have to manually land it on Aurora in addition to Central, or it would miss the train when 15 goes to beta.
  31. # [09:24] <capella> great! ill have to go back and review the release documentation .... im not all that familiar
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  33. # [09:28] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com set status-firefox15 to fixed on bug 765110.
  34. # [09:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765110 nor, --, mozilla16, markcapella, RESO FIXED, TextLeafAccessibleWrap is never instanciated
  35. # [09:29] <@MarcoZ> All done.
  36. # [09:29] <capella> yah! thank you :)
  37. # [09:29] <@MarcoZ> Welcome!
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  57. # [13:26] <@firebot> matspal@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 771913 from General to Disability Access APIs.
  58. # [13:26] <@firebot> matspal@gmail.com changed the Product on bug 771913 from Firefox to Core.
  59. # [13:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=771913 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, firefox crashes in response to typing
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  75. # [15:06] <@MarcoZ> Now *that* is interesting! Re bug 771913, there were no a11y changes in that eleged regression range.
  76. # [15:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=771913 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, firefox crashes in response to typing
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  78. # [15:11] <@tbsaunde|train> MarcoZ: well, it shouldn't matter anyway since we shouldn't be building a11y there at all
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  80. # [15:19] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde|afk: You're right, it shouldn't!
  81. # [15:19] * @MarcoZ comments.
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  83. # [15:30] <icaaq1> MarcoZ: do you understand :cvan's comment/wont fix on this? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=766247
  84. # [15:30] <@firebot> Bug 766247 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, The crate.png image on the startpage is not accessible
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  87. # [15:32] <@davidb> MarcoZ: Nice of Sally.
  88. # [15:32] <@davidb> heyo
  89. # [15:33] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Yes, very nice of Sally! And hi!
  90. # [15:38] <@MarcoZ> icaaq1: Reopened the bug. They need to fix it, esp if the image only is decorative.
  91. # [15:39] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 768319 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  92. # [15:39] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com set the Resolution field on bug 768319 to WORKSFORME.
  93. # [15:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=768319 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in XUL@0xe91e0f
  94. # [15:41] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Thanks, you beat me to closing that one.
  95. # [15:41] <@davidb> heheh
  96. # [15:41] <@davidb> yeah wanted to have a fresh look at our crashes this morning
  97. # [15:41] <@davidb> really useful comment on bug 766471
  98. # [15:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=766471 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, "ASSERTION: Wrong offset of the DOM point!" and crash in nsAccUtils::GetTextAccessibleFromSelection
  99. # [15:42] <@MarcoZ> Yeah this one really was a glitch in that try build.
  100. # [15:42] <@MarcoZ> But I must say that since bug 750612 and the others landed, web page loading has become more of a mess on the Mac. :( Often the pages aren't visible completely, but there are no reliable STR.
  101. # [15:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750612 maj, --, mozilla16, hub, RESO FIXED, [Mac] Too much is exposed to VoiceOver that is actually not currently visible/interactable
  102. # [15:43] <icaaq1> MarcoZ: great!
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  104. # [15:45] <@davidb> MarcoZ: how often?
  105. # [15:46] <@davidb> let's file a regression, until/unless we back out
  106. # [15:46] <@davidb> or fix
  107. # [15:47] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I'm checking some things, and will file a bug. It happens quite frequently.
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  112. # [15:52] <@MarcoZ> davidb: It is not reproducible at will. It sometimes happens, and not always on the same page.
  113. # [15:52] <@davidb> ok
  114. # [15:53] <@davidb> might need console debugging
  115. # [15:53] <@MarcoZ> In any case, it is terrible that http://www.heise.de/mac-and-i takes fifty(!) seconds to be read by VoiceOver upon first load and first interaction with the HTML content. Firefox stays busy for 50 seconds, the MacBook fan starts spinning up loudly.
  116. # [15:54] <@davidb> MarcoZ: if you file, I'll attach a profile.
  117. # [15:54] <@davidb> I worry about the subRole patch
  118. # [15:54] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Perf or incomplete pages?
  119. # [15:55] <@davidb> perf
  120. # [15:55] <@davidb> for incomplete i suspect the visible/interactable patch
  121. # [15:55] * @MarcoZ thinks we have a bug on performance of the VoiceOver support already. A very old one.
  122. # [15:55] * @MarcoZ looks.
  123. # [15:55] <@davidb> we have several
  124. # [15:56] <@davidb> but if it got worse i'd like to nail that separately
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  126. # [15:56] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I don't think it got worse, it's been like this or similar forever.
  127. # [15:56] <@tbsaunde> davidb: hi, were you looking for me friday?
  128. # [15:57] <@davidb> MarcoZ: ok
  129. # [15:57] <@davidb> tbsaunde: maybe
  130. # [15:57] <@davidb> oh right i pinged… but i don't recall the details
  131. # [15:58] <@davidb> oh now i do
  132. # [15:58] * @davidb pm's
  133. # [16:06] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 772060 filed by marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
  134. # [16:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=772060 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Mac] After initial page load, first VoiceOver interaction with HTML content still very painfully sl
  135. # [16:07] <@davidb> MarcoZ: oh you did file a new one after all?
  136. # [16:07] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Yes, I couldn't find one that is specifically handling the initial interaction testcase.
  137. # [16:08] <@davidb> ok
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  141. # [16:14] <@MarcoZ> davidb: 1:1 today?
  142. # [16:16] <@davidb> MarcoZ: Can do!
  143. # [16:17] <@davidb> Can = happy to
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  155. # [16:59] <@MarcoZ> Darn, Daily's chat feature still connects automatically once one restarts Daily. I switched it off (or so I thought) because it's too clunky to use.
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  158. # [17:04] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 718625 from RESOLVED to VERIFIED.
  159. # [17:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718625 nor, P2, mozilla16, hub, VERI FIXED, [Mac] VoiceOver says "text" after each chunk of text it reads inside paragraphs, does not do that in
  160. # [17:04] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 718700 from RESOLVED to VERIFIED.
  161. # [17:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718700 nor, P2, mozilla16, hub, VERI FIXED, [Mac] WAI-ARIA landmarks are not communicated to VoiceOver.
  162. # [17:07] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 750612 from RESOLVED to VERIFIED.
  163. # [17:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750612 maj, --, mozilla16, hub, VERI FIXED, [Mac] Too much is exposed to VoiceOver that is actually not currently visible/interactable
  164. # [17:09] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Currently not reproducible, I mean the missing web page content. I'll watch this further, perhaps it was some temporary glitch.
  165. # [17:09] <@davidb> one can hope
  166. # [17:11] * @davidb downloads latest nightly profiling build
  167. # [17:13] <@MarcoZ> Very very curious what you'll find!
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  169. # [17:19] <@hub> chat feature?
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  172. # [17:28] <@MarcoZ> hub: The nightly builds have an Instant Messenger integrated.
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  174. # [17:28] <@MarcoZ> (of Thunderbird)
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  176. # [17:29] <@hub> oh, Thunderbird
  177. # [17:30] <@hub> They call then Dailies, not Nightlies ;-)
  178. # [17:30] <@davidb> MarcoZ: you might want to use this add-on https://github.com/bgirard/Gecko-Profiler-Addon/raw/master/geckoprofiler.xpi
  179. # [17:31] <@davidb> and whenever you notice sluggishness, use command+shift+O to analyze it (in a separate tab).
  180. # [17:31] <@davidb> then you can tab to an upload button - but not sure if the link (which appears to be static text) is easy to find
  181. # [17:31] <@davidb> hub: yeah, they are mavericks
  182. # [17:44] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I have two upload choices: Current View or Full Profile. Current View is enough I guess?
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  184. # [17:45] <@davidb> MarcoZ: yeah
  185. # [17:47] <@MarcoZ> And then? This is sooooo confusing....
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  187. # [17:48] <@MarcoZ> Where do I find a link or something I can send to you or put in the bug?
  188. # [17:48] <@davidb> MarcoZ: there will be some link text added somewhere above those buttons
  189. # [17:48] <@davidb> this is the part i think will be tricky
  190. # [17:48] <@MarcoZ> Ah, believe I found it.
  191. # [17:49] <@davidb> ok
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  193. # [17:49] <@davidb> i may just start fixing the a11y of this tool directly, if it is in git
  194. # [17:49] <@davidb> it is
  195. # [17:50] * @davidb clones it for a rainy day
  196. # [17:53] <@hub> davidb: it is raining?
  197. # [17:53] <@hub> :-D
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  199. # [17:59] <@MarcoZ> davidb: The problem is that the link text is plain text, no link. And VoiceOver cannot select text in Firefox yet, so I had to get sighted help to actually do a mouse text selection and copying to the clipboard thing.
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  201. # [17:59] <@MarcoZ> So….Where do we now spend all that time?
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  203. # [18:00] <@MarcoZ> davidb: And regarding your question: Between 1 and 2, it's just a bit over a second or so. Sometimes VoiceOver speaks the previous document title, and you don't get notification yet that the page has finished loading (known bug).
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  207. # [18:04] <@hub> sorry, my window manager crashed
  208. # [18:04] <@hub> and given that it is not as robust as it used to be, it didn't restart
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  210. # [18:07] <@MarcoZ> Linux….. *duck and run*
  211. # [18:07] <@hub> nah
  212. # [18:07] <@hub> Gnome3
  213. # [18:08] <@hub> they lost years of stability by rewritting the window manager *again*
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  216. # [18:11] <@MarcoZ> You could try Ubuntu Unity. *ggg*
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  218. # [18:12] <@hub> MarcoZ: never in my life. I'll use Windows before I do that
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  221. # [18:13] <@MarcoZ> Hahah!
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  223. # [18:22] <@davidb> MarcoZ: you got pinged in [Bug 771913
  224. # [18:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=771913 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, firefox crashes in response to typing
  225. # [18:22] <@davidb> By the great detective
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  229. # [18:36] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Done.
  230. # [18:36] <@davidb> great
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  241. # [19:28] <@MarcoZ> so, davidb, does bug 772060 or rather, our profiles, tell us what is causing this sluggishness?
  242. # [19:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=772060 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Mac] After initial page load, first VoiceOver interaction with HTML content still very painfully sl
  243. # [19:31] <@davidb> MarcoZ: i didn't dig too deeply other than to notice there doesn't seem to be anything new here
  244. # [19:33] <@MarcoZ> So there won't be an easy, straight-forward fix. Is that what you're saying?
  245. # [19:36] <@MarcoZ> And what's baffling is that there is absolutely no lag in XUL, only in the HTML content.
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  247. # [19:42] <@MarcoZ> OK, but I'm out for the night. See you tomorrow!
  248. # [19:42] <@davidb> MarcoZ: i really only analyzed until i saw the same method as before
  249. # [19:42] <@davidb> see ya!
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  257. # [20:11] <@davidb> hub: i brought up meego within earshot of jprmc and it just made him sad
  258. # [20:11] <@jprmc> or ill
  259. # [20:12] <@hub> sorry
  260. # [20:12] <@hub> I forgot your involvement
  261. # [20:12] <@hub> Tizen is like Meego expect that you replace Nokia and Qt with Samsung and EFL :-/
  262. # [20:12] <@jprmc> hehe
  263. # [20:13] <@jprmc> hmm, i didn't think EFL was involved with Tizen
  264. # [20:13] <@jprmc> though they are using X
  265. # [20:13] <@jprmc> "As planned, Tizen replaced SLP's native Enlightenment Foundation Libraries APIs with web-based APIs."
  266. # [20:14] <@jprmc> according to wikipedia
  267. # [20:14] <@jprmc> but..
  268. # [20:14] <@hub> anyway
  269. # [20:14] <@hub> rhetorics
  270. # [20:14] <@jprmc> not positive
  271. # [20:14] <@hub> Tizen'
  272. # [20:14] <@hub> Tizen't
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