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- # Session Start: Mon Jul 09 00:00:00 2012
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [03:04] <@firebot> akeybl@mozilla.com granted approval-mozilla-aurora for attachment 637091 on bug 765110.
- # [03:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765110 nor, --, mozilla16, markcapella, RESO FIXED, TextLeafAccessibleWrap is never instanciated
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- # [09:18] <@MarcoZ> capella: Hi! Want me to land bug 765110 on Aurora for you?
- # [09:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765110 nor, --, mozilla16, markcapella, RESO FIXED, TextLeafAccessibleWrap is never instanciated
- # [09:18] <capella> marcoz: yes please! I forgot about that ...
- # [09:19] <@MarcoZ> Well it was only approved late last night, so no worries.
- # [09:20] <capella> right ... but its only the second such situation i've had ... and I forgot it required intervention by you (as our sheriff)
- # [09:21] <@MarcoZ> No, it doesn't. Basically, if it got approved, and you feel like you can land it yourself, go ahead. It's just that I'm offering to help out. ;)
- # [09:21] <@MarcoZ> Since I do have an up-to-date Aurora clone lying around anyway.
- # [09:22] <capella> marcoz: im not setup to do it yet, so ill be happy if you do
- # [09:22] <capella> also, landing on aurora basically jumps the patch "ahead" right? it would get there eventually as part
- # [09:22] <capella> of the normal migration scheme?
- # [09:22] <@MarcoZ> Yes, but the purpose of the Aurora approvals is to land stuff there *befor* the next regular merge.
- # [09:23] <@MarcoZ> We regressed in 15, and this makes sure the regression does not go onto beta. So we have to manually land it on Aurora in addition to Central, or it would miss the train when 15 goes to beta.
- # [09:24] <capella> great! ill have to go back and review the release documentation .... im not all that familiar
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- # [09:28] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com set status-firefox15 to fixed on bug 765110.
- # [09:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765110 nor, --, mozilla16, markcapella, RESO FIXED, TextLeafAccessibleWrap is never instanciated
- # [09:29] <@MarcoZ> All done.
- # [09:29] <capella> yah! thank you :)
- # [09:29] <@MarcoZ> Welcome!
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- # [13:26] <@firebot> matspal@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 771913 from General to Disability Access APIs.
- # [13:26] <@firebot> matspal@gmail.com changed the Product on bug 771913 from Firefox to Core.
- # [13:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=771913 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, firefox crashes in response to typing
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- # [15:06] <@MarcoZ> Now *that* is interesting! Re bug 771913, there were no a11y changes in that eleged regression range.
- # [15:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=771913 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, firefox crashes in response to typing
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- # [15:11] <@tbsaunde|train> MarcoZ: well, it shouldn't matter anyway since we shouldn't be building a11y there at all
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- # [15:19] <@MarcoZ> tbsaunde|afk: You're right, it shouldn't!
- # [15:19] * @MarcoZ comments.
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- # [15:30] <icaaq1> MarcoZ: do you understand :cvan's comment/wont fix on this? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=766247
- # [15:30] <@firebot> Bug 766247 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, The crate.png image on the startpage is not accessible
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- # [15:32] <@davidb> MarcoZ: Nice of Sally.
- # [15:32] <@davidb> heyo
- # [15:33] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Yes, very nice of Sally! And hi!
- # [15:38] <@MarcoZ> icaaq1: Reopened the bug. They need to fix it, esp if the image only is decorative.
- # [15:39] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 768319 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [15:39] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com set the Resolution field on bug 768319 to WORKSFORME.
- # [15:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=768319 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in XUL@0xe91e0f
- # [15:41] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Thanks, you beat me to closing that one.
- # [15:41] <@davidb> heheh
- # [15:41] <@davidb> yeah wanted to have a fresh look at our crashes this morning
- # [15:41] <@davidb> really useful comment on bug 766471
- # [15:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=766471 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, "ASSERTION: Wrong offset of the DOM point!" and crash in nsAccUtils::GetTextAccessibleFromSelection
- # [15:42] <@MarcoZ> Yeah this one really was a glitch in that try build.
- # [15:42] <@MarcoZ> But I must say that since bug 750612 and the others landed, web page loading has become more of a mess on the Mac. :( Often the pages aren't visible completely, but there are no reliable STR.
- # [15:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750612 maj, --, mozilla16, hub, RESO FIXED, [Mac] Too much is exposed to VoiceOver that is actually not currently visible/interactable
- # [15:43] <icaaq1> MarcoZ: great!
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- # [15:45] <@davidb> MarcoZ: how often?
- # [15:46] <@davidb> let's file a regression, until/unless we back out
- # [15:46] <@davidb> or fix
- # [15:47] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I'm checking some things, and will file a bug. It happens quite frequently.
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- # [15:52] <@MarcoZ> davidb: It is not reproducible at will. It sometimes happens, and not always on the same page.
- # [15:52] <@davidb> ok
- # [15:53] <@davidb> might need console debugging
- # [15:53] <@MarcoZ> In any case, it is terrible that http://www.heise.de/mac-and-i takes fifty(!) seconds to be read by VoiceOver upon first load and first interaction with the HTML content. Firefox stays busy for 50 seconds, the MacBook fan starts spinning up loudly.
- # [15:54] <@davidb> MarcoZ: if you file, I'll attach a profile.
- # [15:54] <@davidb> I worry about the subRole patch
- # [15:54] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Perf or incomplete pages?
- # [15:55] <@davidb> perf
- # [15:55] <@davidb> for incomplete i suspect the visible/interactable patch
- # [15:55] * @MarcoZ thinks we have a bug on performance of the VoiceOver support already. A very old one.
- # [15:55] * @MarcoZ looks.
- # [15:55] <@davidb> we have several
- # [15:56] <@davidb> but if it got worse i'd like to nail that separately
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- # [15:56] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I don't think it got worse, it's been like this or similar forever.
- # [15:56] <@tbsaunde> davidb: hi, were you looking for me friday?
- # [15:57] <@davidb> MarcoZ: ok
- # [15:57] <@davidb> tbsaunde: maybe
- # [15:57] <@davidb> oh right i pinged… but i don't recall the details
- # [15:58] <@davidb> oh now i do
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- # [16:06] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 772060 filed by marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
- # [16:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=772060 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Mac] After initial page load, first VoiceOver interaction with HTML content still very painfully sl
- # [16:07] <@davidb> MarcoZ: oh you did file a new one after all?
- # [16:07] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Yes, I couldn't find one that is specifically handling the initial interaction testcase.
- # [16:08] <@davidb> ok
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- # [16:14] <@MarcoZ> davidb: 1:1 today?
- # [16:16] <@davidb> MarcoZ: Can do!
- # [16:17] <@davidb> Can = happy to
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- # [16:59] <@MarcoZ> Darn, Daily's chat feature still connects automatically once one restarts Daily. I switched it off (or so I thought) because it's too clunky to use.
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- # [17:04] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 718625 from RESOLVED to VERIFIED.
- # [17:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718625 nor, P2, mozilla16, hub, VERI FIXED, [Mac] VoiceOver says "text" after each chunk of text it reads inside paragraphs, does not do that in
- # [17:04] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 718700 from RESOLVED to VERIFIED.
- # [17:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718700 nor, P2, mozilla16, hub, VERI FIXED, [Mac] WAI-ARIA landmarks are not communicated to VoiceOver.
- # [17:07] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 750612 from RESOLVED to VERIFIED.
- # [17:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=750612 maj, --, mozilla16, hub, VERI FIXED, [Mac] Too much is exposed to VoiceOver that is actually not currently visible/interactable
- # [17:09] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Currently not reproducible, I mean the missing web page content. I'll watch this further, perhaps it was some temporary glitch.
- # [17:09] <@davidb> one can hope
- # [17:11] * @davidb downloads latest nightly profiling build
- # [17:13] <@MarcoZ> Very very curious what you'll find!
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- # [17:19] <@hub> chat feature?
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- # [17:28] <@MarcoZ> hub: The nightly builds have an Instant Messenger integrated.
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- # [17:28] <@MarcoZ> (of Thunderbird)
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- # [17:29] <@hub> oh, Thunderbird
- # [17:30] <@hub> They call then Dailies, not Nightlies ;-)
- # [17:30] <@davidb> MarcoZ: you might want to use this add-on https://github.com/bgirard/Gecko-Profiler-Addon/raw/master/geckoprofiler.xpi
- # [17:31] <@davidb> and whenever you notice sluggishness, use command+shift+O to analyze it (in a separate tab).
- # [17:31] <@davidb> then you can tab to an upload button - but not sure if the link (which appears to be static text) is easy to find
- # [17:31] <@davidb> hub: yeah, they are mavericks
- # [17:44] <@MarcoZ> davidb: I have two upload choices: Current View or Full Profile. Current View is enough I guess?
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- # [17:45] <@davidb> MarcoZ: yeah
- # [17:47] <@MarcoZ> And then? This is sooooo confusing....
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- # [17:48] <@MarcoZ> Where do I find a link or something I can send to you or put in the bug?
- # [17:48] <@davidb> MarcoZ: there will be some link text added somewhere above those buttons
- # [17:48] <@davidb> this is the part i think will be tricky
- # [17:48] <@MarcoZ> Ah, believe I found it.
- # [17:49] <@davidb> ok
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- # [17:49] <@davidb> i may just start fixing the a11y of this tool directly, if it is in git
- # [17:49] <@davidb> it is
- # [17:50] * @davidb clones it for a rainy day
- # [17:53] <@hub> davidb: it is raining?
- # [17:53] <@hub> :-D
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- # [17:59] <@MarcoZ> davidb: The problem is that the link text is plain text, no link. And VoiceOver cannot select text in Firefox yet, so I had to get sighted help to actually do a mouse text selection and copying to the clipboard thing.
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- # [17:59] <@MarcoZ> So….Where do we now spend all that time?
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- # [18:00] <@MarcoZ> davidb: And regarding your question: Between 1 and 2, it's just a bit over a second or so. Sometimes VoiceOver speaks the previous document title, and you don't get notification yet that the page has finished loading (known bug).
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- # [18:04] <@hub> sorry, my window manager crashed
- # [18:04] <@hub> and given that it is not as robust as it used to be, it didn't restart
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- # [18:07] <@MarcoZ> Linux….. *duck and run*
- # [18:07] <@hub> nah
- # [18:07] <@hub> Gnome3
- # [18:08] <@hub> they lost years of stability by rewritting the window manager *again*
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- # [18:11] <@MarcoZ> You could try Ubuntu Unity. *ggg*
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- # [18:12] <@hub> MarcoZ: never in my life. I'll use Windows before I do that
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- # [18:13] <@MarcoZ> Hahah!
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- # [18:22] <@davidb> MarcoZ: you got pinged in [Bug 771913
- # [18:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=771913 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, firefox crashes in response to typing
- # [18:22] <@davidb> By the great detective
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- # [18:36] <@MarcoZ> davidb: Done.
- # [18:36] <@davidb> great
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- # [19:28] <@MarcoZ> so, davidb, does bug 772060 or rather, our profiles, tell us what is causing this sluggishness?
- # [19:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=772060 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Mac] After initial page load, first VoiceOver interaction with HTML content still very painfully sl
- # [19:31] <@davidb> MarcoZ: i didn't dig too deeply other than to notice there doesn't seem to be anything new here
- # [19:33] <@MarcoZ> So there won't be an easy, straight-forward fix. Is that what you're saying?
- # [19:36] <@MarcoZ> And what's baffling is that there is absolutely no lag in XUL, only in the HTML content.
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- # [19:42] <@MarcoZ> OK, but I'm out for the night. See you tomorrow!
- # [19:42] <@davidb> MarcoZ: i really only analyzed until i saw the same method as before
- # [19:42] <@davidb> see ya!
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- # [20:11] <@davidb> hub: i brought up meego within earshot of jprmc and it just made him sad
- # [20:11] <@jprmc> or ill
- # [20:12] <@hub> sorry
- # [20:12] <@hub> I forgot your involvement
- # [20:12] <@hub> Tizen is like Meego expect that you replace Nokia and Qt with Samsung and EFL :-/
- # [20:12] <@jprmc> hehe
- # [20:13] <@jprmc> hmm, i didn't think EFL was involved with Tizen
- # [20:13] <@jprmc> though they are using X
- # [20:13] <@jprmc> "As planned, Tizen replaced SLP's native Enlightenment Foundation Libraries APIs with web-based APIs."
- # [20:14] <@jprmc> according to wikipedia
- # [20:14] <@jprmc> but..
- # [20:14] <@hub> anyway
- # [20:14] <@hub> rhetorics
- # [20:14] <@jprmc> not positive
- # [20:14] <@hub> Tizen'
- # [20:14] <@hub> Tizen't
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