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  1. # Session Start: Wed Jul 11 00:00:01 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  6. # [00:55] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 767757 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  7. # [00:56] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 767757 to FIXED.
  8. # [00:56] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 767757 from --- to mozilla16.
  9. # [00:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=767757 nor, --, mozilla16, andrew.quartey, RESO FIXED, Move nsAccessNode::Init() to Accessible::Init()
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  11. # [01:21] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Target Milestone on bug 757372 from --- to mozilla16.
  12. # [01:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757372 nor, --, mozilla16, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] Provide feedback when entering an entry field for editing
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  19. # [03:08] <@davidb> tbsaunde: how did it go?
  20. # [03:14] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 742659 from --- to mozilla16.
  21. # [03:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=742659 nor, --, mozilla16, nobody, NEW, move nsARIAMap::UniversalStatesFor to aria namespace
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  26. # [03:35] <Jamie> hi everyone
  27. # [03:36] <Jamie> davidb: Hi! :) Should we have a chat at some point re grant goals status, etc.?
  28. # [03:36] <@davidb> Jamie: hi!
  29. # [03:36] <tbsaunde> Jamie: hi
  30. # [03:36] <tbsaunde> capella: thx
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  32. # [03:37] <capella> 'sok ... small favors
  33. # [03:39] <@davidb> Jamie: I private messaged you.
  34. # [03:41] <capella> drexler: were you looking for me earlier?
  35. # [03:41] <drexler> capella: yeah...
  36. # [03:41] <drexler> had a question..
  37. # [03:41] <capella> didja get it answered?
  38. # [03:41] <drexler> how does one obtain the string representation of an aria role?
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  40. # [03:42] <tbsaunde> drexler: how do you mean?
  41. # [03:42] <tbsaunde> drexler: the return of ARIRole()?
  42. # [03:43] <drexler> tbsaunde: after using the ARIARole() to get a role...if i wanted to get the string version of it. how do i go about it?
  43. # [03:44] <tbsaunde> drexler: well, that returns an enum, so there isn't really one...
  44. # [03:45] <tbsaunde> but I ugess you could use what nsAccessibilityService::GetStringRole()
  45. # [03:45] <drexler> there's ARIARoleString...though
  46. # [03:45] <drexler> i'll look into that.
  47. # [03:45] <tbsaunde> drexler: you men in nsARIAMap.cpp?
  48. # [03:46] <drexler> tbsaunde: yeah
  49. # [03:46] <tbsaunde> drexler: so, that is slightly different
  50. # [03:46] <tbsaunde> that is the string for role="blah" in the DOM
  51. # [03:47] <tbsaunde> drexler: note that string doesn't depend on the computation in ARIATransformRole() which you probably want to account for
  52. # [03:48] <tbsaunde> drexler: so, what are you actually trying to?
  53. # [03:48] <drexler> oh okay...nsAccessibilityService::GetStringRole() meets my need
  54. # [03:49] <drexler> tbsaunde: finishing up a UIA_AriaRolePropertyId bug
  55. # [03:49] <tbsaunde> drexler: note you might well be better off cribing from what it does than calling it directly
  56. # [03:51] <drexler> tbsaunde: noted.
  57. # [03:55] <capella> that was the easiest question i never answered :p
  58. # [03:56] <tbsaunde> heh
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  66. # [04:46] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com denied review for attachment 632674 on bug 764367.
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  68. # [04:46] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=764367 nor, --, ---, Ms2ger, ASSI, Fix build warnings in accessible/
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  72. # [04:52] <@firebot> andrew.quartey@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 640898 on bug 762898.
  73. # [04:52] <@firebot> andrew.quartey@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 762898 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  74. # [04:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762898 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, ASSI, implement UIA_AriaRolePropertyId
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  79. # [05:31] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled review?(surkov.alexander@gm ail.com) for attachment 640898 on bug 762898.
  80. # [05:31] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762898 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, ASSI, implement UIA_AriaRolePropertyId
  81. # [05:40] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 757372 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  82. # [05:40] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 757372 to FIXED.
  83. # [05:40] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757372 nor, --, mozilla16, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] Provide feedback when entering an entry field for editing
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  102. # [11:42] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 772782 filed by scoobidiver@netcourrier.com.
  103. # [11:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=772782 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in DocAccessible::Shutdown @ NotificationController::Shutdown
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  126. # [15:19] <marcoz> Heyo davidb!
  127. # [15:19] <@davidb> heyo!
  128. # [15:20] <@davidb> is chanserv not op-ing you guys?
  129. # [15:20] <@davidb> (not that it is a big deal)
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  131. # [15:21] <@marcoz> Don't know why it didn't do it.
  132. # [15:21] <@marcoz> May have been a reconnection issue earlier.
  133. # [15:22] <@marcoz> davidb: What do you think about today's meeting's agenda?
  134. # [15:23] <@marcoz> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Meetings/2012-07-11
  135. # [15:23] <@davidb> looks good
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  150. # [16:05] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 772834 filed by marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
  151. # [16:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=772834 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Meta] Implement accessibility for Firefox OS
  152. # [16:09] <tbsaunde> marcoz: I'm pretty sure ^ is a dupof a bug 715xxx iirc
  153. # [16:12] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: Oh really? Well, let's figure it out, eeejay might know. If so. Well then that's the way it is. ;)
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  155. # [16:15] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: FWIW, I looked in my accessibility query before I filed it and didn't find one.
  156. # [16:16] <@marcoz> I'm wondering whether anyone has tried building our module for b2g yet.
  157. # [16:20] <tbsaunde> marcoz: weird, it probably said b2g not firefoxos
  158. # [16:20] <tbsaunde> marcoz: as I remember the configure.in goo its on by default so probably
  159. # [16:21] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: B2G is the code name, Firefox OS is the official name. I try to get used to using the official name once one is available. Makes it easier not to have to switch when talking to end users. :)
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  163. # [16:22] * tbsaunde avoids talking to users ;)
  164. # [16:23] <@marcoz> That's fine, and not everyone from our team has to. I chose to do it, so. ;)
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  168. # [16:29] <tbsaunde> davidb: want to grab a room in a few?
  169. # [16:38] <tbsaunde> davidb: ping?
  170. # [16:38] <@davidb> yep real soon
  171. # [16:38] <@davidb> hang tight
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  175. # [17:08] <@hub> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Mobile/GestureInterface
  176. # [17:09] <@davidb> THANKS
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  182. # [17:40] <@davidb> eeejay: can you forward that email about nvda + nightly?
  183. # [17:45] <@marcoz> and eeejay: Can you CC me on the bugs you filed patches for w.r.t. the native UI?
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  185. # [17:49] <@tbsaunde> someone have a linux 32 build handy?
  186. # [17:49] <@marcoz> Nope. Sorry.
  187. # [17:54] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i'm ready to roll for food
  188. # [17:56] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ok
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  196. # [18:14] <@firebot> vinceyang15@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 641074 on bug 769452.
  197. # [18:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=769452 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, use NS_FORWARD_NSIACCESSIBLETABLE on accessible tables instead of custom macro
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  201. # [18:26] <@firebot> anthony.s.hughes@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 757739 from RESOLVED to VERIFIED.
  202. # [18:27] <@firebot> anthony.s.hughes@gmail.com set status-firefox15 to verified on bug 757739.
  203. # [18:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=757739 cri, --, mozilla15, surkov.alexander, VERI FIXED, crash in nsAccUtils::MustPrune
  204. # [18:41] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 742659 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  205. # [18:41] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 742659 to FIXED.
  206. # [18:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=742659 nor, --, mozilla16, nobody, RESO FIXED, move nsARIAMap::UniversalStatesFor to aria namespace
  207. # [18:43] <@firebot> Ms2ger@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 641087 on bug 764367.
  208. # [18:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=764367 nor, --, ---, Ms2ger, ASSI, Fix build warnings in accessible/
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  210. # [18:52] <@davidb> bbiab
  211. # [19:02] <@davidb> tbsaunde: would you like to sit in on a pref-critsmash triage meeting today?
  212. # [19:02] <@davidb> pref/pre
  213. # [19:04] <@davidb> oh dear, trevor's least favourite patches to review… build warnings
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  221. # [19:23] <@marcoz> davidb: I once learned one should treat warnings as errors, because they might bite you when you least expect it. Has that paradigm changed?
  222. # [19:30] <@hub> marcoz: better have a goal of no warnings
  223. # [19:30] <@hub> marcoz: warning as error bite you in the ass when you use more than one compiler
  224. # [19:30] <@hub> marcoz: but some people here think it is a waste of time
  225. # [19:31] <@hub> (which I disagree)
  226. # [19:31] <@hub> to have zero warnings
  227. # [19:33] <@marcoz> OK, I'm out for the night. See you tomorrow!
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  232. # [19:45] <@hub> davidb: we need Otoro phones. as I just got told that if I have issues with the SGS2, I'm on my own. And yes I do have
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  258. # [21:54] <@davidb> ok i need to relocate, get a 4 year old home, then set up for a 5pm call with 5+ agenda items.
  259. # [21:55] <@davidb> ttfn
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  277. # [22:42] <@eeejay> funny, android brailleback uses liblouis
  278. # [22:42] * @eeejay takes credit
  279. # [22:43] * @tbsaunde rages at ell phone companies
  280. # [22:43] <@tbsaunde> *cell
  281. # [22:45] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, are they screwing you over in canada? do you finally understand why hub is such an angry person?
  282. # [22:45] <davidb|mobile> lol
  283. # [22:47] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: maybe
  284. # [22:47] <@tbsaunde> as an extra special f you this bell site uses canvas for no clear reason and appears to grab ctrl + w so I can't close it
  285. # [22:48] <@eeejay> uck
  286. # [22:48] <davidb|mobile> windmobile.ca
  287. # [22:48] <@tbsaunde> davidb|mobile: that's next :)
  288. # [22:49] <@tbsaunde> though I may give up and see how cheap I can be and stay with verizon
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  290. # [22:51] <@tbsaunde> hm, with that site open firefox seems to just be ignoring *all* input???
  291. # [22:52] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, the windmobile.ca side? fwiw i could not click on links either
  292. # [22:53] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: no, that was still the bell one, but suddenly I was able to change the tab *shrug sigh*
  293. # [22:54] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: but it seems windmobile.ca uses canvas too :/
  294. # [22:54] <@eeejay> effers
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  296. # [22:56] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: ?
  297. # [22:56] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, yeah?
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  299. # [22:58] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: wasn't sure what effers meant
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  301. # [23:00] <@hub> tbsaunde: windmobile is cheaper. Bell are the biggest crooks. Telus and Rogers, similarly
  302. # [23:03] <@hub> tbsaunde: little anecdote about windmobile. When I told them their website was unusable on a cell-phone, their answer was "tether your PC"
  303. # [23:03] <@tbsaunde> hub: yeah, I'm just trying to figure out which is the lest bad
  304. # [23:03] <@tbsaunde> hub: lol
  305. # [23:03] * @tbsaunde has to run
  306. # [23:03] <@hub> tbsaunde: simply put Windmobile or Mobilicity are cheaper than any other Rogers/Bell/Telus and their subbrands
  307. # [23:04] <@tbsaunde> hub: yeah, just need to make sure they work reasonably in the us
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  320. # [23:17] <@hub> this reboot was brought to you by Kernel and Panic
  321. # [23:25] <@hub> tbsaunde|afk: and in Canada we don't have ADA
  322. # [23:25] <@hub> :-/
  323. # [23:25] <@hub> windmobile web site is horrible
  324. # [23:29] <@hub> very horrible
  325. # [23:29] <@hub> WTF
  326. # [23:30] <@davidb> we do have law suits however.
  327. # [23:30] <@hub> yeah
  328. # [23:31] <@hub> DOM Inspector show how bad it is
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  330. # [23:42] <@hub> davidb: note that I'm having a conversation with @WIND_Cares on twitter about that.
  331. # [23:42] <@davidb> cool
  332. # [23:42] <@hub> I'm sure it will turn out well </sarcasm>
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  334. # [23:42] <@davidb|mtg> heh
  335. # [23:44] <@hub> and I preemptivily link to Accessibility on Wikipedia
  336. # [23:44] <@hub> to not have the misunderstanding belief that the website is unreachable
  337. # [23:44] <@hub> and that I should reboot windows
  338. # [23:44] <@hub> In Ontario, Canada, the Ontarians with Disabilities Act of 2001 is meant to "improve the identification, removal and prevention of barriers faced by persons with disabilities..." <- how good is that?
  339. # [23:46] <@hub> now I understand why WIND website does not work well on mobile.
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