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  10. # [00:54] <@hub> davidb|mobile: it is not so horrible in the end, and I have bugs on Mac.
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  18. # [01:43] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 773090 filed by hub@mozilla.com.
  19. # [01:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=773090 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Mac] Image map image should be ignored
  20. # [01:48] <@hub> davidb: retitled
  21. # [01:49] <@davidb> roger
  22. # [01:49] <@hub> there is a bit more that just that
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  26. # [02:33] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 641277 on bug 773090.
  27. # [02:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=773090 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, [Mac] Image map image are broken
  28. # [02:36] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 641278 on bug 768997.
  29. # [02:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=768997 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, nsAccUtils::IsTextInterfaceSupportCorrect() is too expensive and called too often in DEBUG
  30. # [02:44] <@hub> davidb|mobile: DM fail it seems.
  31. # [02:44] <davidb|mobile> yeah :)
  32. # [02:45] <davidb|mobile> thought i deleted it?
  33. # [02:45] <@hub> gone now
  34. # [02:46] <@hub> :-(
  35. # [02:46] <@hub> :-)
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  53. # [06:12] * Topic is '"build the web for everyone" | Q3 planning: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Planning/Goals'
  54. # [06:12] * Set by davidb on Fri Jun 29 16:54:58
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  64. # [07:32] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 641074 on bug 769452.
  65. # [07:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=769452 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, use NS_FORWARD_NSIACCESSIBLETABLE on accessible tables instead of custom macro
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  67. # [07:48] <ginn> tbsaunde, did you notice the recent changes of gtk3?
  68. # [08:11] <@tbsaunde> ginn: no? what bug?
  69. # [08:11] <@tbsaunde> ginn: or do you mean work the gtk people re doing?
  70. # [08:12] <@tbsaunde> I know they've gotten rid of gail and put it in gtk directly, but hven't looked at how that effets us (ENOTIME :( )
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  77. # [09:17] <ginn> tbsaunde, I think they've removed atk-bridge module in GTK3
  78. # [09:17] <ginn> so probably we need to change some code
  79. # [09:17] <ginn> but I didn't have a build of GTK3 Firefox yet.
  80. # [09:20] <@tbsaunde> ginn: yeah, I think you can link against libatk-bridge.so now
  81. # [09:21] <@tbsaunde> gtk3 does that iirc
  82. # [09:21] <@tbsaunde> I assume we'l need to change stuff, but haven't tried building with gtk3 yet
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  84. # [09:21] <@tbsaunde> I've been meaning to poke karlt
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  119. # [14:33] <@davidb> heyo!
  120. # [14:33] <@davidb> I am WFH today.
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  123. # [14:49] <marcoz> davidb: Hi! Hey guess what, I'm working from home, too! :)
  124. # [14:49] <@davidb> shocking
  125. # [14:51] <marcoz> davidb: Hahah and thanks re your mail! :)
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  130. # [15:13] <@tbsaunde> davidb: hi
  131. # [15:14] <@davidb> tbsaunde: hi, are you in the office? (I'm not)
  132. # [15:15] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah
  133. # [15:15] <@davidb> !seen surkov
  134. # [15:15] <@firebot> surkov was last seen 7 days, 18 hours, 14 minutes and 27 seconds ago, saying 'nope, on laptop' in #accessibility.
  135. # [15:15] <@tbsaunde> davidb: couldn't sleep so figured I might as well doing something useful, and its easier to work here I think
  136. # [15:15] <@davidb> tbsaunde: you stayed in the office all night?
  137. # [15:16] <@tbsaunde> davidb: no, just got in
  138. # [15:21] <marcoz> Hahah
  139. # [15:22] <marcoz> Question: What's the difference between JavaScript and Java? Answer: What's the difference between hamster and ham?
  140. # [15:25] <@davidb> haha!
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  144. # [15:37] <marcoz> davidb: Recommendation/guidance needed: My Galaxy Nexus is going to be offered an upgrade to Jelly Bean any day now. Should I accept that? I still have ICS on the Samsung tablet, but from what I read, a majority of ICS phones is going to get JB upgrades in the near future.
  145. # [15:37] <marcoz> davidb: my gutt feeling is to accept and continue testing on JB, but I wanted to check with you and eeejay before doing anything.
  146. # [15:39] <@davidb> that's my gut too
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  148. # [15:47] <satdav> hey guys
  149. # [15:47] <satdav> davidb, can i ask you to deal with the request as per ken done on a bug
  150. # [15:48] <@davidb> satdav: sorry i don't parse that
  151. # [15:49] <satdav> you free as i am dealing with the bug i opened regarding the mailing list
  152. # [15:49] <@davidb> satdav: bug #?
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  154. # [15:51] <satdav> davidb, mind that bug about the accessibility list
  155. # [15:51] <satdav> well the one about the page
  156. # [15:51] <@davidb> satdav: if you give me the bug number i can be sure i know precisely which bug you want me to look at
  157. # [15:52] <@davidb> there are several i think
  158. # [15:52] <satdav> 770248
  159. # [15:52] <@davidb> ty
  160. # [15:52] <satdav> related to that one
  161. # [15:52] <@davidb> related?
  162. # [15:52] <satdav> but trying to find the bug what ken said to change the topic of it in
  163. # [15:53] <@davidb> satdav: I'm really confused as to what you are asking me to help with.
  164. # [15:53] <satdav> ken asked for the subject on that mailing list to be changed
  165. # [15:54] <@davidb> satdav: bug 770248 seems to have a question for you which is unanswered.
  166. # [15:54] <satdav> YES
  167. # [15:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=770248 nor, --, ---, dbolter, NEW, Change accessibility list description
  168. # [15:54] <satdav> I am looking for the bug
  169. # [15:54] <@davidb> satdav: ok so this is about the "Mozilla/Web accessibility topics" part?
  170. # [15:55] <@davidb> I see that in the description already - so I'm not sure what is left to do.
  171. # [15:55] <@davidb> satdav: please read this and see if you think the bug is done https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/accessibility
  172. # [15:57] <satdav> I have just updated it
  173. # [15:57] <satdav> read bug 746251
  174. # [15:57] <satdav> comment 13
  175. # [15:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746251 nor, --, 2.4, bmo2010, RESO FIXED, Add mozilla.accessibility to https://www.mozilla.org/access/
  176. # [15:58] <@davidb> satdav: closed as a dupe.
  177. # [15:58] <@davidb> i think we're done here.
  178. # [15:59] <@davidb> we can all get back to work! :)
  179. # [15:59] <satdav> OK
  180. # [15:59] <satdav> we want the topic changed to something like Can we also change the description for accessibility at lists.mozilla.org from "Build the web for everyone." to "Mozilla/Web accessibility topics" or something similar?
  181. # [16:00] <satdav> david so how is a duplicate
  182. # [16:02] <@davidb> satdav: can you give me the link to the mailing list you are talking about - just to be sure.
  183. # [16:02] <@davidb> because I'm looking at https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/accessibility and it has both bits of text.
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  186. # [16:03] <@davidb> or give me a link to whatever url you are unhappy with
  187. # [16:03] <satdav> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo
  188. # [16:03] <satdav> I am on that page
  189. # [16:03] <satdav> and it needs updated on their
  190. # [16:03] <@davidb> ok so you are just seeing the short description
  191. # [16:04] <satdav> yes
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  193. # [16:04] <satdav> thats what we need updated
  194. # [16:05] <satdav> Updating the bug also as i go
  195. # [16:05] <@davidb> i think i finally understand.
  196. # [16:07] <@davidb> lol
  197. # [16:07] <@davidb> what a lot of pain to change some text!
  198. # [16:09] <satdav> yes lol
  199. # [16:09] <@davidb> satdav: I don't see why this change is necessary. Do you and Ken feel strongly that it helps?
  200. # [16:10] <satdav> well it would be better
  201. # [16:11] <@davidb> i'm willing to believe that
  202. # [16:11] <satdav> and sound better
  203. # [16:11] <satdav> as people might think the now its just for websites we are doing on their
  204. # [16:11] <satdav> but if it sounds better then firefox also
  205. # [16:13] <@davidb> marcoz,tbsaunde: thoughts?
  206. # [16:14] <@davidb> should the accessibility list at mozilla be "Build the web for everyone" or changed to "Mozilla/Web accessibility topics"
  207. # [16:14] <@davidb> if we are going to change it let's change this once and leave it.
  208. # [16:14] <satdav> OK
  209. # [16:15] <satdav> eeejay, also
  210. # [16:15] <@davidb> so i want to know at least what some others think, just a 1 minute decision
  211. # [16:15] <@davidb> he's probably sleeping
  212. # [16:15] <satdav> jprmc, ^
  213. # [16:18] <marcoz> davidb: "Build the web for everyone" is a good tag line, but I don't think it really serves as a description for a mailing list. :)
  214. # [16:18] <@davidb> good
  215. # [16:18] <@davidb> i'm already changing it actually
  216. # [16:18] <marcoz> If it is meant to be a mailing list where web accessibility topics in general, or how WCAG techniques are being translated by Firefox, are being discussed, then that should be reflected.
  217. # [16:20] <@davidb> satdav: done!
  218. # [16:20] <marcoz> And that, of course, applies to both sites built by Mozilla as well as those built by any web dev.
  219. # [16:20] * marcoz likes.
  220. # [16:20] <satdav> yes
  221. # [16:21] <@davidb> satdav: so it was comment 0 in that bug that really confused me.
  222. # [16:21] <@davidb> (for future reference)
  223. # [16:21] <satdav> OK
  224. # [16:21] <@davidb> You asked for the change under "Long Description"
  225. # [16:21] <@davidb> I'm not perfect with my bug descriptions either but don't do what I do :)
  226. # [16:32] <satdav> OK whats that you do
  227. # [16:38] <@davidb> If you mean I make mistakes then yes, I agree :)
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  230. # [16:51] <satdav> david have you been dealing with all of the spam
  231. # [16:51] <satdav> as its getting on my nerv's
  232. # [16:51] <satdav> as getting them daily
  233. # [16:51] <satdav> and do we have the one mozilla meeting today
  234. # [16:55] <@davidb> satdav: I don't attend them and I don't have time for spam cleanup.
  235. # [16:57] <satdav> OK I am busy the now
  236. # [16:57] <satdav> hub, have you been doing the spam for it
  237. # [16:57] <satdav> we are getting a lot of spam
  238. # [17:00] <@davidb> it would be great to find volunteers
  239. # [17:00] <@davidb> i need hub writing code
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  245. # [17:38] <@hub> spam of what?
  246. # [17:48] <marcoz> hub: mozilla.dev.accessibility
  247. # [17:52] <@davidb> i thought he meant the non-dev one
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  250. # [17:56] <marcoz> davidb: tbh, I lost track somewhere in the middle.
  251. # [17:57] <@hub> marcoz: yeah that one, too much spam
  252. # [17:59] <marcoz> ah so I appear to have been on track this time. O_O ;)
  253. # [18:00] <@davidb> heh ok
  254. # [18:00] <@davidb> back later
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  301. # [20:07] <@davidb> clown: thanks mucho mucho for the w3c investigative work
  302. # [20:08] * @davidb brightens
  303. # [20:11] <@davidb> tbsaunde: by the way, there is a layout/gfx work week in toronto next week
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  306. # [20:14] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ok?
  307. # [20:14] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i usually try to corner roc with some devious plan or something… anyways if you have live discussions you want to have, have 'em
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  311. # [21:00] <clown> davidb, just got back from lunch.
  312. # [21:00] <clown> re: thanks mucho mucho ... s'okay.
  313. # [21:01] <@davidb> :)
  314. # [21:01] <clown> but, what happened to "aria always wins"?
  315. # [21:01] <@davidb> we caved in places
  316. # [21:01] <@davidb> i guess
  317. # [21:02] <@davidb> there have been so many years of argument in w3c and then in bugzilla i've lost track
  318. # [21:02] * clown is tempted (but not muchly tempted) to dig out FF3, and see what happens there...
  319. # [21:02] <@davidb> 3.5 was the first one i had much ARIA code in
  320. # [21:03] <clown> really? I remembe testing FF2 back when I was working on dojo.
  321. # [21:03] <clown> or, my memory is faulty.
  322. # [21:03] <clown> or something.
  323. # [21:04] * @davidb shrugs
  324. # [21:04] <@davidb> i think this was my first release http://www.flickr.com/photos/menros/3675508786/
  325. # [21:05] <@davidb> wow over 3 years ago
  326. # [21:05] <@davidb> feels like 9
  327. # [21:05] <@davidb> :)
  328. # [21:05] <clown> yeah...
  329. # [21:06] <@hub> that was a while ago
  330. # [21:09] <clown> and I started on dojo/aria in Feb of 2008 — 4 years ago.
  331. # [21:09] <clown> when dinosaurs roamed the planet.
  332. # [21:10] <clown> and even further back: http://www.flickr.com/photos/69494852@N00/369551819/
  333. # [21:10] <@davidb> lol
  334. # [21:11] <clown> i believe that was Chris' farewell party.
  335. # [21:11] <@davidb> yeah i was actually slightly melancholy 
  336. # [21:11] <clown> odd, I think that's about the time you and simon started on dojo/aria.
  337. # [21:12] <clown> lordy, why isn't aria in realease 1.0 yet?
  338. # [21:12] <@davidb> heh
  339. # [21:12] <@davidb> well we had dojo 1.0 digit 100% accessible with FF
  340. # [21:12] <@davidb> dijit
  341. # [21:13] <@davidb> who needs a spec?
  342. # [21:13] <clown> Microsoft? Apple?
  343. # [21:13] <clown> someone else?
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  346. # [21:37] <@hub> back to a working b2g phone
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  349. # [21:44] <@davidb> hub: sounds fun
  350. # [21:50] * @eeejay needs to update the b2g repos
  351. # [21:51] <@eeejay> might be worth driving up to hub to get it. the download takes forever
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  354. # [22:05] <@davidb> heh
  355. # [22:06] <@davidb> would be cool for you guys to co-work
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  363. # [23:05] <@davidb> wow, that was a good meeting
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