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- # Session Start: Tue Jul 17 00:00:00 2012
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [00:45] <Stevef> dbolter: where are you?
- # [00:45] <Stevef> dbolter: come out, come out, where ever you are...
- # [00:56] <@hub> Stevef: I think he was commuting back home
- # [00:56] <@hub> Stevef: and hasn't been online since
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- # [01:48] <Stevef> hub: thanks
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- # [02:15] <@hub> FYI, I'm build b2g, and I just saw going through the whole accessibility module. So, yes, it is built by default
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- # [05:26] <@firebot> arun.sukumaran.latha@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 642848 on bug 769302.
- # [05:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=769302 nor, --, ---, arun.sukumaran.latha, NEW, Please add about:support accessibility status to crash reports
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- # [08:13] <marcoz> Morning everyone!
- # [08:16] <tbsaunde> morning
- # [08:19] <@hub> hey
- # [08:30] <tbsaunde> surkov: ping?
- # [08:34] <tbsaunde> surkov: any idea what is up with the nsStyleXUL stuff in Accessible::State()? it seems to be applied to be the case html stuff can have a nsStyleXUL, and it doesn't seem to make sense that can sort of over ride aria
- # [08:39] <@surkov> tbsaunde: more data? what's wrong with nsStyleXUL there?
- # [08:44] <tbsaunde> surkov: for one, you can have a frame for an html element, that you can get nsStyleXUL for
- # [08:45] <tbsaunde> so, say I have a div, and do element->GetPrimryFrame9)->GetStyleXUL() it may return something
- # [08:45] <@surkov> tbsaunde: it is, iirc we have bug on this
- # [08:45] <tbsaunde> and the comment seems to suggest it should only return something for xul box
- # [08:46] <@surkov> or somebody reported it to me by email, I recall something before I moved on vacation
- # [08:46] <@surkov> it returns value things for HTML as well
- # [08:46] <tbsaunde> surkov: yes, that's what I just said ;)
- # [08:46] <@surkov> yep
- # [08:47] <@surkov> we need isXUL check
- # [08:47] <@surkov> but iirc there are related issues
- # [08:47] <tbsaunde> surkov: so, I'm trying to figure what the corret fix for the we can have horizontal and vertical states both set is
- # [08:47] <@surkov> sometimes we expose both states
- # [08:47] <@surkov> right
- # [08:47] <@surkov> do you think about aria?
- # [08:48] <tbsaunde> any reason we don't move it to NativeState() too?
- # [08:48] <tbsaunde> well, that issue involves aria
- # [08:48] <@surkov> it should be reasonable
- # [08:48] <@surkov> ok, if aria then issue is more complicated because different elements have different default values
- # [08:49] <tbsaunde> surkov: that isn't really related, I can just fix that in ARIAStateMap
- # [08:49] <@surkov> you can
- # [08:49] <@surkov> related in means orientation state problems
- # [08:50] <tbsaunde> on the itheer hand one thing I guess we could do is only check nsStyleXUL if state & (states::HORIZONTAL | states::VERTICAL) is 0
- # [08:50] <@surkov> sure you can split into several bugs
- # [08:50] <@surkov> tbsaunde: iirc it returns something always but I might be wrong
- # [08:50] <@surkov> it was one month ago
- # [08:51] <@surkov> but if this works then it's cool
- # [08:51] <tbsaunde> surkov: probably does, but I haven't been terribly thurough in digging through the layout macros
- # [08:52] <@surkov> well, you can debug returned value
- # [08:52] <@surkov> see, #define NS_STYLE_BOX_ORIENT_HORIZONTAL 0
- # [08:52] <@surkov> #define NS_STYLE_BOX_ORIENT_VERTICAL 1
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- # [11:20] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 773090 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [11:21] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 773090 to FIXED.
- # [11:21] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 773090 from --- to mozilla17.
- # [11:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=773090 nor, --, mozilla17, hub, RESO FIXED, [Mac] Image map are broken
- # [11:23] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 774033 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
- # [11:23] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 774033 to FIXED.
- # [11:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=774033 nor, --, mozilla17, respindola, RESO FIXED, Remove extra ;
- # [11:25] <@firebot> dw38438@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 745746 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [11:25] <@firebot> dw38438@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 745746 to FIXED.
- # [11:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745746 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO FIXED, Magic screen reader issue
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- # [15:38] <@davidb> heyo!
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- # [15:55] <@davidb> MarcoZ: I see your flight booking, was it auto approved?
- # [16:00] <@davidb> MarcoZ: I added your info to the wiki, might want to double check
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- # [16:14] <marcoz> davidb: I corrected the arrival flight number. :) And yes, this was the suggested flight by Mozilla that's within company policies.
- # [16:14] <marcoz> Don't know if you have to do anything else.
- # [16:14] <marcoz> davidb: And you may want to check the visa info at the bottom: It's all about the US, not Canada. ;)
- # [16:15] <@davidb> oops
- # [16:15] <marcoz> And….Seven? Who else is coming?
- # [16:16] <@davidb> MarcoZ: possibly a contributor
- # [16:17] <marcoz> OK!
- # [16:19] <tbsaunde> davidb: so, aria says there is a default value for aria-orientation, so does that mean we should never look at native stuff, or layout for things with role seperator / slider / scrollbar?
- # [16:21] <@davidb> tbsaunde: sadly i don't know anymore
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- # [16:22] <@davidb> richardschwerdtfeger: can you answer tbsaunde?
- # [16:22] <@davidb> tbsaunde: note it is only default for applicable roles
- # [16:22] <@davidb> applicable aria roles AFAIK
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- # [16:37] <tbsaunde> davidb: ok
- # [16:37] <tbsaunde> davidb: so, for applicable roles though we always use aria? just to clarify my question
- # [16:38] <@davidb> tbsaunde: I don't think we should only use aria, and there lies the sadness.
- # [16:39] <@davidb> I'd go with using layout/native if it tells us something useful.
- # [16:39] <@davidb> so use explicit aria-orientation first, then layout, then default stop as soon as you hit something
- # [16:41] <marcoz> davidb: So, layout may have to tell us the orientation of a compound widget if the author doesn't implement the aria-orientation attribute. Scary. I guess we'll have to be careful as to which frames we look at for this, then.
- # [16:43] <@davidb> it needs some investigation
- # [16:43] <tbsaunde> davidb: I'm not sure how we'd implement that in our current archetecture, but I think atm its probably not relavent
- # [16:44] <@davidb> good
- # [16:44] <@davidb> have to keep our focus on relevance.
- # [16:45] <tbsaunde> davidb: I should have a patch shortly, and you can decide what you think of how I handle it then :)
- # [16:49] <@davidb> code talks
- # [16:52] <@davidb> so trunk is 17
- # [16:53] <khuey> I read that as i7
- # [16:53] <marcoz> OMG….All I wanted was to add proper accessibility labels to two "buttons" in the Firefox for Android tablet UI. Turns out that this is turning into a 20 KB patch or so, because I need to completely implement a property. Two little accessibility labels…..sigh!
- # [16:54] <marcoz> khuey: Don't you like the number 17?
- # [17:05] <@davidb> 17 is a fantastic number
- # [17:06] <@davidb> khuey has CPUs on the brain
- # [17:06] <khuey> yeah
- # [17:12] <marcoz> davidb: Ah, was that Ice Hockey player you mentioned a number 17 sometime?
- # [17:13] <@davidb> MarcoZ: yep
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- # [17:34] <marcoz> Morning hub! :)
- # [17:46] <@hub> hi
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- # [17:56] <marcoz> Oh dear, starting to get a headache. Going off a bit early, since this feels nasty. :( See you tomorrow!
- # [17:57] <@hub> see ya
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- # [18:00] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 642972 on bug 762876.
- # [18:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762876 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, IA2_STATE_HORIZONTAL state is set for “aria-orientation=vertical”
- # [18:07] <@davidb> hub: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dca_pS9bQE0
- # [18:11] <@hub> I don't have my headphones
- # [18:12] <@davidb> save it for a day i complain about the leafs
- # [18:14] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 642972 on bug 762876.
- # [18:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762876 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, IA2_STATE_HORIZONTAL state is set for “aria-orientation=vertical”
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- # [18:27] <@hub> davidb: ok
- # [18:27] <@hub> davidb: we'll talk about it on season openeer
- # [18:28] <@hub> davidb: I think they play at Centre Bell
- # [18:28] <@davidb> cool
- # [18:28] * @hub realize the irony that Bell is sponsor of the Habs venue and tries to own the Leafs
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- # [19:45] <@davidb> eeejay, tbsaunde any audibles for dev meeting?
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- # [19:51] <@davidb> hub: any audible for the dev meeting?
- # [19:54] <@hub> beside mentioning we'll work on a TTS api for Gecko, no
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- # [19:54] <@davidb> eeejay: did you get the fixes you wanted in for uplift?
- # [19:54] <@eeejay> davidb, yep!
- # [19:55] <@davidb> excellent
- # [19:57] <@hub> davidb: have you heard of the "eyetap" project?
- # [19:57] <@davidb> hub: is that a steve mann thing?
- # [19:58] <@davidb> yes
- # [19:58] <@hub> davidb: yep.
- # [19:58] <@davidb> hub: I've met steve
- # [19:58] <@davidb> ben konrath used to work for/with him
- # [19:58] <@hub> I hadn't heard of it until I heard about the alledged assault
- # [19:58] <@davidb> yeah he has run ins
- # [19:58] <@davidb> banks don't like him much :)
- # [19:59] <@hub> http://eyetap.blogspot.com/2012/07/physical-assault-by-mcdonalds-for.html
- # [19:59] <@davidb> i saw him in the swimming pool at the university with his water tube musical instrument
- # [19:59] <@davidb> he is… an interesting fellow
- # [19:59] <@davidb> hub: yes i read that
- # [20:03] <@hub> the tech is interesting, but it clearly open can of worms
- # [20:04] <@davidb> yeah… i think he is pioneering the inevitable
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- # [20:22] <@hub> so is it official? we stop supporting 10.5 in Firefox 17?
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- # [20:27] <@davidb> sounds so
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- # [20:42] <@davidb> eeejay: i need to sort out a wifi problem before our meeting
- # [20:42] <@eeejay> davidb, no probs
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- # [21:53] <@eeejay> is there a sneaky way to add aria attributes to css?
- # [22:01] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted feedback for attachment 643050 on bug 766240.
- # [22:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=766240 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, NEW, Expandoify nsTextEquivUtils::gRoleToNameRulesMap
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- # [22:06] <@davidb> eeejay: i don't think you can add attributes via css selector
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- # [22:08] <@davidb> i should ask dbaron he's in the other room
- # [22:08] <@davidb> eeejay: it would be really easy in jquery
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