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- # Session Start: Thu Jul 19 00:00:01 2012
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
- # [00:15] <satdav> whats the best way to have a trackng bug set up
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- # [00:33] <@eeejay> will aria-labelledby work with a label that has display:none?
- # [00:34] <satdav> dont know
- # [00:35] <tbsaunde> eeejay: for purposes of relations name calculation or something else?
- # [00:35] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, name calculation
- # [00:36] <satdav> hub, ping
- # [00:37] <@hub> satdav: pong
- # [00:37] <satdav> eeejay, do you know do we have a ethepad for accessibility
- # [00:37] <satdav> hub, can i ask have you been checking the moderater stuf for the mailing list
- # [00:37] <satdav> as i have just cleared it all today
- # [00:37] <satdav> as lotsof spam on it
- # [00:37] <@eeejay> satdav, not sure what you mean. but afaik etherpad is not accessible
- # [00:38] <@hub> satdav: I don't have access to it
- # [00:38] <@hub> satdav: so the answer is no
- # [00:38] <satdav> OK
- # [00:38] <satdav> hub, do you want me to get davidb to add you as a moderator
- # [00:38] <@hub> if you need help, why not
- # [00:38] <satdav> well we get a lot of spam on it
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- # [00:39] <tbsaunde> eeejay: I suspect the label needs to be visible
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- # [00:40] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, hm!
- # [00:41] <satdav> hub, whats ur mozilla address again and i will pm you details
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- # [01:11] <satdav> hey guys i am getting the breakpad site also some more sites accessible
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- # [01:27] <satdav> does anyone know if ken has been on irc recently
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- # [01:35] <@davidb> hub: i pm'ed you
- # [01:36] <tbsaunde> davidb: so, my current patch for bug 762876 mens tht hyperlinks nolonger have the horizontal state (which some of our tests depend on)
- # [01:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762876 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, IA2_STATE_HORIZONTAL state is set for “aria-orientation=vertical”
- # [01:36] <tbsaunde> davidb: how strongly do you think things like <a href="blah>some link</a> should have the horizontal state?
- # [01:36] <@davidb> why do we test for horizontal links?
- # [01:36] <@davidb> not strongly at all
- # [01:36] <satdav> davidb, just responded to you
- # [01:36] <satdav> I can doit on here if better
- # [01:37] <tbsaunde> davidb: no idea, I guess I can dig if your curious
- # [01:38] <tbsaunde> davidb: otherwise I can just remove the tests for horizontal and move on
- # [01:38] <@davidb> I'm ok with the latter, especially this early in the cycle
- # [01:38] <@davidb> tbsaunde: ^
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- # [01:48] <satdav> hub, davidb just emailed me their
- # [01:48] <satdav> i am speaking to him the now on email about a possible solution for the list
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- # [06:09] <@firebot> ho.jonah@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 775019 from Untriaged to Keyboard: Navigation.
- # [06:09] <@firebot> ho.jonah@gmail.com changed the Product on bug 775019 from Firefox to Core.
- # [06:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775019 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Keyboard shortcuts in German version do not work since v.13
- # [06:14] <@firebot> ho.jonah@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 775144 from Untriaged to Keyboard: Navigation.
- # [06:14] <@firebot> ho.jonah@gmail.com changed the Product on bug 775144 from Firefox to Core.
- # [06:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775144 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Ctrl-backspace in location bar erases wrong part
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- # [13:02] <satdav> marcoz, ping
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- # [14:50] <@firebot> New Firefox - Keyboard Navigation bug 775493 filed by xaviersinu@gmail.com.
- # [14:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775493 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Test Bug
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- # [15:15] <@firebot> ho.jonah@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 775477 from Untriaged to Keyboard: Navigation.
- # [15:15] <@firebot> ho.jonah@gmail.com changed the Product on bug 775477 from Firefox to Core.
- # [15:16] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775477 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Apple+C (Copy selected Text to Clipboard) dosen't work in FF 14
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- # [15:38] <@davidb> heyo
- # [15:38] <@marcoz> Hi davidb!
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- # [15:46] <@marcoz> Man I sometimes wish our usability in certain circumstances was a bit better. When automatically setting focus to a text field, for example, esp a multi-line text field, with NVDA, the usability often is really crappy. :( Esp if that focus change comes from a user-triggered action rather than the page setting it.
- # [15:47] <@marcoz> I often have to tab and shift-tab back to get NVDA to read that text area correctly.
- # [15:47] <@marcoz> davidb: ^
- # [15:47] <@davidb> that's bad
- # [15:47] <@davidb> do we have a bug for it?
- # [15:48] <@davidb> (or an nvda bug?)
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- # [15:54] <@marcoz> davidb: we do. I'm searching for it now. For some reason, when focus is set to a textarea automatically via a user action, the query to our IA2Text interface fails.
- # [15:55] <@davidb> hmmm i suspect this has to do with lazy editor instantiation
- # [15:55] <@davidb> MarcoZ: is it a recent regression?
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- # [15:56] <@marcoz> davidb: No it is not. It has been around for ages.
- # [15:56] <@davidb> ok
- # [15:57] <@davidb> I'm really excited to hear about all pain points.
- # [15:57] <@marcoz> It started to re-annoy me when I was using Safari and VoiceOver on Yammer yesterday, and in Bugzilla. Basically each time you hit Reply from one of the comments in Bugzilla, and focus is set to the comment text area, this bug bites.
- # [15:57] <@davidb> and the bug doesn't happen in safari+vo right?
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- # [16:05] <@marcoz> davidb: No, it doesn't. And the bug is not blocking our texta11y meta bug, darn it.
- # [16:05] <@marcoz> But I know we have one.
- # [16:12] <@davidb> MarcoZ: it wouldn't hurt to file a new one IMO
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- # [16:20] <Stevef> davidb: morning
- # [16:20] <@davidb> Stevef: hi!
- # [16:21] <@davidb> MarcoZ: just spoke with Ehsan to see if we're still lazy initing editor which we are… i have some good spots i can breakpoint.
- # [16:21] <@davidb> let me know if/when you file
- # [16:22] <Stevef> davidb: has something changed in lastest firefox, i got this question from Jun who is helping develop aViewer "I can't get ISimpleDOMNode from Firefox 17.0a1. specification changed?"
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- # [16:23] <Stevef> davidb: also any feedback on the canvas unbacked regions stuff?
- # [16:23] <@davidb> Stevef: a regression is possible but I'm not sure off hand.
- # [16:23] <@davidb> re canvas: nothing
- # [16:23] <@davidb> canvas isn't really a focus right now
- # [16:24] <@davidb> oho
- # [16:24] <@davidb> we did
- # [16:24] <@davidb> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/diff/4a898478fe06/accessible/src/msaa/nsAccessNodeWrap.cpp
- # [16:25] <Stevef> davidb: ok re: canvas it would be useful for feedback as it is being discussed and decied what is going into the spec now, so any concerns...
- # [16:25] <Stevef> is that last link to me?
- # [16:25] <@davidb> Stevef: yeah vaguely
- # [16:26] <@davidb> Stevef: I'm having trouble keeping up with spec world :(
- # [16:26] <@davidb> what is the URL i should use?
- # [16:26] <@marcoz> davidb: I'm going to file a new one, don't find the old one.
- # [16:26] <@davidb> MarcoZ: good
- # [16:27] <@marcoz> stevef: We did have a regression, but fixed it before the uplift, even for 15, and I tested with JAWS, and it still worked fine.
- # [16:27] <@marcoz> stevef: however, we recently started to implement UIA, too.
- # [16:27] <Stevef> marcoz: thanks
- # [16:29] <@davidb> MarcoZ: I'm wondering if 762770 is the culprit
- # [16:29] <Stevef> davidb: will leave you alone on canvas
- # [16:30] <@davidb> Stevef: well I appreciate getting pinged. really.
- # [16:33] <@marcoz> davidb: That was my suspicion, too. I'll check later with JAWS and see if it is broken.
- # [16:34] <@davidb> Stevef: can you confirm the version number where ISimpleDOMNode is failing?
- # [16:34] <@davidb> oh sorry
- # [16:34] <@davidb> 17.01 right
- # [16:34] <@davidb> 0z1
- # [16:34] <@davidb> sigh
- # [16:34] <@davidb> 0a1
- # [16:35] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 775536 filed by marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
- # [16:35] <@firebot> Bug 775536 was not found.
- # [16:36] <@marcoz> davidb: bug 775536.
- # [16:37] <Stevef> davidb: so does that mean there is an issue or gave you changed the way it is referenced (issimple)
- # [16:38] <@davidb> Stevef: I believe there is an issue but needs investigation
- # [16:38] <Stevef> davidb: OK thanks
- # [16:38] <@davidb> thank you!
- # [16:40] <@davidb> bbiab
- # [16:43] <@marcoz> davidb: stevef: JAWS 13 is not broken with current 17.0a1 nightly builds.
- # [16:43] <@marcoz> So in principle, iSimpleDOM still works.
- # [16:43] <Stevef> marcoz: ok so have you changed the method to access it or something related?
- # [16:47] <@marcoz> stevef: Not consciously, AFAIK, and the fact that JAWS still works without changing anything on their side, I believe the change is either subtle, or we don't have a bug after all.
- # [16:47] <@marcoz> Not sure what to say.
- # [16:48] <Stevef> marcoz; no problem thanks
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- # [17:05] <satdav> marcoz, ping if about
- # [17:05] <satdav> firebot seen marcoz
- # [17:05] <@firebot> marcoz was last seen 17 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying 'Not sure what to say.' in #accessibility.
- # [17:21] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Component on bug 775361 from Untriaged to Disability Access APIs.
- # [17:21] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Product on bug 775361 from Firefox to Core.
- # [17:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775361 cri, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, I'm blind, and I use the JAWS 11 screen reader with Firefox. Firefox crashes regularly for no appar
- # [17:27] <@marcoz> satdav: Hi, what's up?
- # [17:27] <Stevef> davidb: re canvas what is needed is ansity check by implementer, if not happening then what goes into the spec is what goes in
- # [17:27] <satdav> marcoz, pmed you
- # [17:28] <@davidb> Stevef: I probably wouldn't be implementing. Can you point me at a mail archive or something?
- # [17:29] <satdav> davidb, can you please change my email on the moderator to my satdav.mozilla@gnail.com one
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- # [17:33] <@davidb> satdav: done
- # [17:33] <satdav> OK thanks
- # [17:39] * @davidb had to do a clobber build on windows
- # [17:39] <@marcoz> davidb: Yeah, if you don't build for a while, that usually needs to be done. Too many changes for partials.
- # [17:40] * @davidb nods
- # [17:43] * satdav I am going to go over to the it team and get them to fix some vidyo site issues
- # [18:00] <@davidb> hmmm test_focus_contextmenu.xul fail
- # [18:00] <tbsaunde> davidb: what are you testing?
- # [18:00] <tbsaunde> davidb: that sounds vaguely familiar
- # [18:01] <@davidb> tbsaunde: just running the suite locally before i start debugging
- # [18:01] <@davidb> (on windoze)
- # [18:01] <@davidb> tbsaunde: you coming in today?
- # [18:02] <@firebot> vinceyang15@gmail.com requested review from markcapella@twcny.r r.com for attachment 643869 on bug 767754.
- # [18:02] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=767754 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Move ApplicationAccessible logic from nsAccessNode to nsAccessibilityService
- # [18:02] <tbsaunde> davidb: yeah
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- # [18:03] <tbsaunde> I was really tired, and felt slightly crummy this morning so got up late and then happened into doing a little wfh while looking at bank stuff
- # [18:03] <tbsaunde> davidb: something I should come in for in particular?
- # [18:04] <@davidb> tbsaunde: nope
- # [18:04] <@davidb> not required
- # [18:05] <tbsaunde> davidb: ok, hope you weren't too confused
- # [18:05] <@davidb> nope
- # [18:06] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com cancelled review?(markcapella@twcny.r r.com) for attachment 643869 on bug 767754.
- # [18:06] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested feedback from trev.saunders@gma il.com for attachment 643869 on bug 767754.
- # [18:11] <@marcoz> davidb: I've seen that test fail locally too, but on tinderbox, it usually runs OK, so I treat it as a local orange. :)
- # [18:13] <tbsaunde> davidb: marcoz btw I don't believe orca has the same issue with text entries
- # [18:14] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: Interesting!
- # [18:14] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: Again, you have to have automatic focus transfer. Simply tabbing does never exhibit that problem for me.
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- # [18:20] <@davidb> I commented in the bug my failure to recreate it.
- # [18:29] <@marcoz> Hm, this sounds like a timing issue, then. Can you recreate in a release build, AKA a regular nightly?
- # [18:29] <@marcoz> davidb: ^
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- # [18:35] <@marcoz> OK, but for today, I'm off.
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- # [18:38] <@davidb> aw snao
- # [18:38] <@davidb> snap
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- # [19:00] <@davidb> firebot knows
- # [19:00] <@firebot> davidb: but not as much as gavinbot!
- # [19:01] <@eeejay> is surkov back?
- # [19:01] <@davidb> eeejay: sort of
- # [19:01] <@davidb> jet lagged
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- # [19:02] <@eeejay> davidb, should i be sending reviews his way again?
- # [19:02] <@eeejay> oh, ok
- # [19:02] <@eeejay> it is not time sensitive, so i'll put it in his queue :)
- # [19:02] <@davidb> eeejay: sure
- # [19:03] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 775621 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
- # [19:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775621 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add pivot traversal flag for ignoring aria-hidden
- # [19:06] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 643898 on bug 775621.
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- # [19:35] <@hub> FYI, I don't have access to mercurial and lot of stuff
- # [19:36] <@davidb> hub: how come?
- # [19:37] <@hub> apparently there is an outage
- # [19:37] <@hub> it is not like IT sent an email
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- # [19:38] <@hub> the apparentlty notified twitter (can't reach it) or yammer (no longer on it)
- # [19:39] <@hub> but email, zilch
- # [19:39] <@hub> nada
- # [19:41] <satdav> hub goto mrz hes the head of it
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- # [19:41] <satdav> and tell him about them as thats terrible
- # [19:41] <satdav> they should treat you like anyone else and look into the issue
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- # [19:43] <@hub> satdav: I don't ask treatement. just info
- # [19:43] <satdav> yes but they should provide it
- # [19:43] <@hub> had I know that, I would have stayed home
- # [19:45] <@hub> I have decent internet... in Canadian standard
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- # [19:59] <@hub> p.m.o coming back
- # [20:01] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 775653 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
- # [20:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775653 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Refactor traversal rules
- # [20:02] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 643928 on bug 775653.
- # [20:03] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 775657 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
- # [20:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775657 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Add initial B2G support and dummy speech presenter
- # [20:04] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 643931 on bug 775657.
- # [20:05] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 775659 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
- # [20:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775659 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] moveCursorToObject fails when object is null
- # [20:06] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 643933 on bug 775659.
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- # [20:08] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 775661 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
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- # [20:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775661 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Add dump tree and accessible states methods to logger
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- # [20:21] <@davidb> eeejay: about time! my review queue feels better now.
- # [20:21] <@davidb> was so lonely
- # [20:28] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 643928 on bug 775653.
- # [20:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775653 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Refactor traversal rules
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- # [20:32] <@davidb> eeejay: where do those id's come from in buildAppMap?
- # [20:33] <@davidb> oh…. Services.appinfo.ID
- # [20:36] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 643931 on bug 775657.
- # [20:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775657 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Add initial B2G support and dummy speech presenter
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- # [20:46] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775659 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] moveCursorToObject fails when object is null
- # [20:56] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 643935 on bug 775661.
- # [20:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775661 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Add dump tree and accessible states methods to logger
- # [21:20] <@eeejay> davidb, yeah. addons depend on them. so they won't change quickly
- # [21:21] <@eeejay> davidb, the alternative is to have Utiles.jsm preprocessed with MOZ_BUILD_APP
- # [21:21] <@eeejay> but that is a real headache
- # [21:21] <@davidb> you had me at yeah
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- # [21:35] <tbsaunde> davidb: I just greped for 3c2e2abc-06d4-11e1-ac3b-374f68613e61 which is one of those uuids and want to kill people now
- # [21:35] <@davidb> oh god yes
- # [21:36] <tbsaunde> maybe someday all the people we kill will either cause people to stop writting code and then there'll be no new bad code, or they all magically start writing good code :)
- # [21:40] <@davidb> when they come back as undead
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- # [21:51] <@davidb> eeejay: just cc'ed you on a bug on a hunch it might be worrisome
- # [21:52] <@eeejay> davidb, thanks
- # [21:52] * @davidb shrugs
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- # [22:09] <@hub> davidb: enjoy your friday :-)
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- # [22:10] <@davidb> ta
- # [22:10] <@davidb> :)
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