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  1. # Session Start: Thu Jul 19 00:00:01 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:15] <satdav> whats the best way to have a trackng bug set up
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  5. # [00:33] <@eeejay> will aria-labelledby work with a label that has display:none?
  6. # [00:34] <satdav> dont know
  7. # [00:35] <tbsaunde> eeejay: for purposes of relations name calculation or something else?
  8. # [00:35] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, name calculation
  9. # [00:36] <satdav> hub, ping
  10. # [00:37] <@hub> satdav: pong
  11. # [00:37] <satdav> eeejay, do you know do we have a ethepad for accessibility
  12. # [00:37] <satdav> hub, can i ask have you been checking the moderater stuf for the mailing list
  13. # [00:37] <satdav> as i have just cleared it all today
  14. # [00:37] <satdav> as lotsof spam on it
  15. # [00:37] <@eeejay> satdav, not sure what you mean. but afaik etherpad is not accessible
  16. # [00:38] <@hub> satdav: I don't have access to it
  17. # [00:38] <@hub> satdav: so the answer is no
  18. # [00:38] <satdav> OK
  19. # [00:38] <satdav> hub, do you want me to get davidb to add you as a moderator
  20. # [00:38] <@hub> if you need help, why not
  21. # [00:38] <satdav> well we get a lot of spam on it
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  23. # [00:39] <tbsaunde> eeejay: I suspect the label needs to be visible
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  25. # [00:40] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, hm!
  26. # [00:41] <satdav> hub, whats ur mozilla address again and i will pm you details
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  29. # [01:11] <satdav> hey guys i am getting the breakpad site also some more sites accessible
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  31. # [01:27] <satdav> does anyone know if ken has been on irc recently
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  34. # [01:35] <@davidb> hub: i pm'ed you
  35. # [01:36] <tbsaunde> davidb: so, my current patch for bug 762876 mens tht hyperlinks nolonger have the horizontal state (which some of our tests depend on)
  36. # [01:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762876 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, IA2_STATE_HORIZONTAL state is set for “aria-orientation=vertical”
  37. # [01:36] <tbsaunde> davidb: how strongly do you think things like <a href="blah>some link</a> should have the horizontal state?
  38. # [01:36] <@davidb> why do we test for horizontal links?
  39. # [01:36] <@davidb> not strongly at all
  40. # [01:36] <satdav> davidb, just responded to you
  41. # [01:36] <satdav> I can doit on here if better
  42. # [01:37] <tbsaunde> davidb: no idea, I guess I can dig if your curious
  43. # [01:38] <tbsaunde> davidb: otherwise I can just remove the tests for horizontal and move on
  44. # [01:38] <@davidb> I'm ok with the latter, especially this early in the cycle
  45. # [01:38] <@davidb> tbsaunde: ^
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  47. # [01:48] <satdav> hub, davidb just emailed me their
  48. # [01:48] <satdav> i am speaking to him the now on email about a possible solution for the list
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  61. # [06:09] <@firebot> ho.jonah@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 775019 from Untriaged to Keyboard: Navigation.
  62. # [06:09] <@firebot> ho.jonah@gmail.com changed the Product on bug 775019 from Firefox to Core.
  63. # [06:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775019 maj, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Keyboard shortcuts in German version do not work since v.13
  64. # [06:14] <@firebot> ho.jonah@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 775144 from Untriaged to Keyboard: Navigation.
  65. # [06:14] <@firebot> ho.jonah@gmail.com changed the Product on bug 775144 from Firefox to Core.
  66. # [06:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775144 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Ctrl-backspace in location bar erases wrong part
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  88. # [13:02] <satdav> marcoz, ping
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  97. # [14:50] <@firebot> New Firefox - Keyboard Navigation bug 775493 filed by xaviersinu@gmail.com.
  98. # [14:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775493 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Test Bug
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  108. # [15:15] <@firebot> ho.jonah@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 775477 from Untriaged to Keyboard: Navigation.
  109. # [15:15] <@firebot> ho.jonah@gmail.com changed the Product on bug 775477 from Firefox to Core.
  110. # [15:16] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775477 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Apple+C (Copy selected Text to Clipboard) dosen't work in FF 14
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  114. # [15:38] <@davidb> heyo
  115. # [15:38] <@marcoz> Hi davidb!
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  118. # [15:46] <@marcoz> Man I sometimes wish our usability in certain circumstances was a bit better. When automatically setting focus to a text field, for example, esp a multi-line text field, with NVDA, the usability often is really crappy. :( Esp if that focus change comes from a user-triggered action rather than the page setting it.
  119. # [15:47] <@marcoz> I often have to tab and shift-tab back to get NVDA to read that text area correctly.
  120. # [15:47] <@marcoz> davidb: ^
  121. # [15:47] <@davidb> that's bad
  122. # [15:47] <@davidb> do we have a bug for it?
  123. # [15:48] <@davidb> (or an nvda bug?)
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  125. # [15:54] <@marcoz> davidb: we do. I'm searching for it now. For some reason, when focus is set to a textarea automatically via a user action, the query to our IA2Text interface fails.
  126. # [15:55] <@davidb> hmmm i suspect this has to do with lazy editor instantiation
  127. # [15:55] <@davidb> MarcoZ: is it a recent regression?
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  129. # [15:56] <@marcoz> davidb: No it is not. It has been around for ages.
  130. # [15:56] <@davidb> ok
  131. # [15:57] <@davidb> I'm really excited to hear about all pain points.
  132. # [15:57] <@marcoz> It started to re-annoy me when I was using Safari and VoiceOver on Yammer yesterday, and in Bugzilla. Basically each time you hit Reply from one of the comments in Bugzilla, and focus is set to the comment text area, this bug bites.
  133. # [15:57] <@davidb> and the bug doesn't happen in safari+vo right?
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  135. # [16:05] <@marcoz> davidb: No, it doesn't. And the bug is not blocking our texta11y meta bug, darn it.
  136. # [16:05] <@marcoz> But I know we have one.
  137. # [16:12] <@davidb> MarcoZ: it wouldn't hurt to file a new one IMO
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  139. # [16:20] <Stevef> davidb: morning
  140. # [16:20] <@davidb> Stevef: hi!
  141. # [16:21] <@davidb> MarcoZ: just spoke with Ehsan to see if we're still lazy initing editor which we are… i have some good spots i can breakpoint.
  142. # [16:21] <@davidb> let me know if/when you file
  143. # [16:22] <Stevef> davidb: has something changed in lastest firefox, i got this question from Jun who is helping develop aViewer "I can't get ISimpleDOMNode from Firefox 17.0a1. specification changed?"
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  146. # [16:23] <Stevef> davidb: also any feedback on the canvas unbacked regions stuff?
  147. # [16:23] <@davidb> Stevef: a regression is possible but I'm not sure off hand.
  148. # [16:23] <@davidb> re canvas: nothing
  149. # [16:23] <@davidb> canvas isn't really a focus right now
  150. # [16:24] <@davidb> oho
  151. # [16:24] <@davidb> we did
  152. # [16:24] <@davidb> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/diff/4a898478fe06/accessible/src/msaa/nsAccessNodeWrap.cpp
  153. # [16:25] <Stevef> davidb: ok re: canvas it would be useful for feedback as it is being discussed and decied what is going into the spec now, so any concerns...
  154. # [16:25] <Stevef> is that last link to me?
  155. # [16:25] <@davidb> Stevef: yeah vaguely
  156. # [16:26] <@davidb> Stevef: I'm having trouble keeping up with spec world :(
  157. # [16:26] <@davidb> what is the URL i should use?
  158. # [16:26] <@marcoz> davidb: I'm going to file a new one, don't find the old one.
  159. # [16:26] <@davidb> MarcoZ: good
  160. # [16:27] <@marcoz> stevef: We did have a regression, but fixed it before the uplift, even for 15, and I tested with JAWS, and it still worked fine.
  161. # [16:27] <@marcoz> stevef: however, we recently started to implement UIA, too.
  162. # [16:27] <Stevef> marcoz: thanks
  163. # [16:29] <@davidb> MarcoZ: I'm wondering if 762770 is the culprit
  164. # [16:29] <Stevef> davidb: will leave you alone on canvas
  165. # [16:30] <@davidb> Stevef: well I appreciate getting pinged. really.
  166. # [16:33] <@marcoz> davidb: That was my suspicion, too. I'll check later with JAWS and see if it is broken.
  167. # [16:34] <@davidb> Stevef: can you confirm the version number where ISimpleDOMNode is failing?
  168. # [16:34] <@davidb> oh sorry
  169. # [16:34] <@davidb> 17.01 right
  170. # [16:34] <@davidb> 0z1
  171. # [16:34] <@davidb> sigh
  172. # [16:34] <@davidb> 0a1
  173. # [16:35] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 775536 filed by marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
  174. # [16:35] <@firebot> Bug 775536 was not found.
  175. # [16:36] <@marcoz> davidb: bug 775536.
  176. # [16:37] <Stevef> davidb: so does that mean there is an issue or gave you changed the way it is referenced (issimple)
  177. # [16:38] <@davidb> Stevef: I believe there is an issue but needs investigation
  178. # [16:38] <Stevef> davidb: OK thanks
  179. # [16:38] <@davidb> thank you!
  180. # [16:40] <@davidb> bbiab
  181. # [16:43] <@marcoz> davidb: stevef: JAWS 13 is not broken with current 17.0a1 nightly builds.
  182. # [16:43] <@marcoz> So in principle, iSimpleDOM still works.
  183. # [16:43] <Stevef> marcoz: ok so have you changed the method to access it or something related?
  184. # [16:47] <@marcoz> stevef: Not consciously, AFAIK, and the fact that JAWS still works without changing anything on their side, I believe the change is either subtle, or we don't have a bug after all.
  185. # [16:47] <@marcoz> Not sure what to say.
  186. # [16:48] <Stevef> marcoz; no problem thanks
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  189. # [17:05] <satdav> marcoz, ping if about
  190. # [17:05] <satdav> firebot seen marcoz
  191. # [17:05] <@firebot> marcoz was last seen 17 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying 'Not sure what to say.' in #accessibility.
  192. # [17:21] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Component on bug 775361 from Untriaged to Disability Access APIs.
  193. # [17:21] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Product on bug 775361 from Firefox to Core.
  194. # [17:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775361 cri, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, I'm blind, and I use the JAWS 11 screen reader with Firefox. Firefox crashes regularly for no appar
  195. # [17:27] <@marcoz> satdav: Hi, what's up?
  196. # [17:27] <Stevef> davidb: re canvas what is needed is ansity check by implementer, if not happening then what goes into the spec is what goes in
  197. # [17:27] <satdav> marcoz, pmed you
  198. # [17:28] <@davidb> Stevef: I probably wouldn't be implementing. Can you point me at a mail archive or something?
  199. # [17:29] <satdav> davidb, can you please change my email on the moderator to my satdav.mozilla@gnail.com one
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  201. # [17:33] <@davidb> satdav: done
  202. # [17:33] <satdav> OK thanks
  203. # [17:39] * @davidb had to do a clobber build on windows
  204. # [17:39] <@marcoz> davidb: Yeah, if you don't build for a while, that usually needs to be done. Too many changes for partials.
  205. # [17:40] * @davidb nods
  206. # [17:43] * satdav I am going to go over to the it team and get them to fix some vidyo site issues
  207. # [18:00] <@davidb> hmmm test_focus_contextmenu.xul fail
  208. # [18:00] <tbsaunde> davidb: what are you testing?
  209. # [18:00] <tbsaunde> davidb: that sounds vaguely familiar
  210. # [18:01] <@davidb> tbsaunde: just running the suite locally before i start debugging
  211. # [18:01] <@davidb> (on windoze)
  212. # [18:01] <@davidb> tbsaunde: you coming in today?
  213. # [18:02] <@firebot> vinceyang15@gmail.com requested review from markcapella@twcny.r r.com for attachment 643869 on bug 767754.
  214. # [18:02] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=767754 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Move ApplicationAccessible logic from nsAccessNode to nsAccessibilityService
  215. # [18:02] <tbsaunde> davidb: yeah
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  217. # [18:03] <tbsaunde> I was really tired, and felt slightly crummy this morning so got up late and then happened into doing a little wfh while looking at bank stuff
  218. # [18:03] <tbsaunde> davidb: something I should come in for in particular?
  219. # [18:04] <@davidb> tbsaunde: nope
  220. # [18:04] <@davidb> not required
  221. # [18:05] <tbsaunde> davidb: ok, hope you weren't too confused
  222. # [18:05] <@davidb> nope
  223. # [18:06] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com cancelled review?(markcapella@twcny.r r.com) for attachment 643869 on bug 767754.
  224. # [18:06] <@firebot> markcapella@twcny.rr.com requested feedback from trev.saunders@gma il.com for attachment 643869 on bug 767754.
  225. # [18:11] <@marcoz> davidb: I've seen that test fail locally too, but on tinderbox, it usually runs OK, so I treat it as a local orange. :)
  226. # [18:13] <tbsaunde> davidb: marcoz btw I don't believe orca has the same issue with text entries
  227. # [18:14] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: Interesting!
  228. # [18:14] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: Again, you have to have automatic focus transfer. Simply tabbing does never exhibit that problem for me.
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  230. # [18:20] <@davidb> I commented in the bug my failure to recreate it.
  231. # [18:29] <@marcoz> Hm, this sounds like a timing issue, then. Can you recreate in a release build, AKA a regular nightly?
  232. # [18:29] <@marcoz> davidb: ^
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  234. # [18:35] <@marcoz> OK, but for today, I'm off.
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  236. # [18:38] <@davidb> aw snao
  237. # [18:38] <@davidb> snap
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  242. # [19:00] <@davidb> firebot knows
  243. # [19:00] <@firebot> davidb: but not as much as gavinbot!
  244. # [19:01] <@eeejay> is surkov back?
  245. # [19:01] <@davidb> eeejay: sort of
  246. # [19:01] <@davidb> jet lagged
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  248. # [19:02] <@eeejay> davidb, should i be sending reviews his way again?
  249. # [19:02] <@eeejay> oh, ok
  250. # [19:02] <@eeejay> it is not time sensitive, so i'll put it in his queue :)
  251. # [19:02] <@davidb> eeejay: sure
  252. # [19:03] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 775621 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  253. # [19:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775621 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add pivot traversal flag for ignoring aria-hidden
  254. # [19:06] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 643898 on bug 775621.
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  259. # [19:35] <@hub> FYI, I don't have access to mercurial and lot of stuff
  260. # [19:36] <@davidb> hub: how come?
  261. # [19:37] <@hub> apparently there is an outage
  262. # [19:37] <@hub> it is not like IT sent an email
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  264. # [19:38] <@hub> the apparentlty notified twitter (can't reach it) or yammer (no longer on it)
  265. # [19:39] <@hub> but email, zilch
  266. # [19:39] <@hub> nada
  267. # [19:41] <satdav> hub goto mrz hes the head of it
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  269. # [19:41] <satdav> and tell him about them as thats terrible
  270. # [19:41] <satdav> they should treat you like anyone else and look into the issue
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  273. # [19:43] <@hub> satdav: I don't ask treatement. just info
  274. # [19:43] <satdav> yes but they should provide it
  275. # [19:43] <@hub> had I know that, I would have stayed home
  276. # [19:45] <@hub> I have decent internet... in Canadian standard
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  281. # [19:59] <@hub> p.m.o coming back
  282. # [20:01] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 775653 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  283. # [20:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775653 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Refactor traversal rules
  284. # [20:02] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 643928 on bug 775653.
  285. # [20:03] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 775657 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  286. # [20:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775657 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Add initial B2G support and dummy speech presenter
  287. # [20:04] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 643931 on bug 775657.
  288. # [20:05] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 775659 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  289. # [20:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775659 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] moveCursorToObject fails when object is null
  290. # [20:06] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 643933 on bug 775659.
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  292. # [20:08] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 775661 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
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  294. # [20:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775661 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Add dump tree and accessible states methods to logger
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  296. # [20:09] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 643935 on bug 775661.
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  300. # [20:21] <@davidb> eeejay: about time! my review queue feels better now.
  301. # [20:21] <@davidb> was so lonely
  302. # [20:28] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 643928 on bug 775653.
  303. # [20:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775653 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Refactor traversal rules
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  305. # [20:32] <@davidb> eeejay: where do those id's come from in buildAppMap?
  306. # [20:33] <@davidb> oh…. Services.appinfo.ID
  307. # [20:36] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 643931 on bug 775657.
  308. # [20:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775657 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Add initial B2G support and dummy speech presenter
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  310. # [20:46] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 643933 on bug 775659.
  311. # [20:46] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775659 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] moveCursorToObject fails when object is null
  312. # [20:56] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 643935 on bug 775661.
  313. # [20:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775661 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Add dump tree and accessible states methods to logger
  314. # [21:20] <@eeejay> davidb, yeah. addons depend on them. so they won't change quickly
  315. # [21:21] <@eeejay> davidb, the alternative is to have Utiles.jsm preprocessed with MOZ_BUILD_APP
  316. # [21:21] <@eeejay> but that is a real headache
  317. # [21:21] <@davidb> you had me at yeah
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  323. # [21:35] <tbsaunde> davidb: I just greped for 3c2e2abc-06d4-11e1-ac3b-374f68613e61 which is one of those uuids and want to kill people now
  324. # [21:35] <@davidb> oh god yes
  325. # [21:36] <tbsaunde> maybe someday all the people we kill will either cause people to stop writting code and then there'll be no new bad code, or they all magically start writing good code :)
  326. # [21:40] <@davidb> when they come back as undead
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  331. # [21:51] <@davidb> eeejay: just cc'ed you on a bug on a hunch it might be worrisome
  332. # [21:52] <@eeejay> davidb, thanks
  333. # [21:52] * @davidb shrugs
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  338. # [22:09] <@hub> davidb: enjoy your friday :-)
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  340. # [22:10] <@davidb> ta
  341. # [22:10] <@davidb> :)
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