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  1. # Session Start: Thu Jul 26 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:07] <@hub> eeejay: do you have anything to present for MozCamp ?
  4. # [00:09] <@eeejay> hub, don't think i'll make it. are you going?
  5. # [00:10] <@hub> I don't think either
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  11. # [02:10] <@hub> tbsaunde: shall we request bug 765252 to be nominated for Aurora?
  12. # [02:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765252 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in nsCaretAccessible::RemoveDocSelectionListener
  13. # [02:22] <tbsaunde> hub: maybe, its a big patch
  14. # [02:27] <@hub> but it is a crasher
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  16. # [02:29] <tbsaunde> hub: I didn't say it wasn't
  17. # [02:30] <tbsaunde> for that matter we don't actually know it fixes anything
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  20. # [02:30] <@hub> tbsaunde: good point.
  21. # [02:30] <tbsaunde> any /me -> home
  22. # [02:30] <@hub> let's see how it goes
  23. # [02:31] <@hub> tbsaunde: c-ya
  24. # [02:59] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 644622 on bug 765252.
  25. # [02:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765252 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in nsCaretAccessible::RemoveDocSelectionListener
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  29. # [03:59] <tbsaunde> surkov: so, how do you feel about moving things like nsAccessibilityService::ContentRangeInserted() to layout/ so they call the doc accessible method directly?
  30. # [03:59] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 560189 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  31. # [04:00] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 560189 to WORKSFORME.
  32. # [04:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=560189 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, turn nsAccessibleWrap::GetUnignoredChildren to AddUnignoredChildren
  33. # [04:00] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I'd say nsAccessibilityService can use doc accessible directly without methods movements
  34. # [04:00] <@surkov> you need to add nsIPresShell::GetAccDocument
  35. # [04:03] <tbsaunde> surkov: true
  36. # [04:04] <tbsaunde> surkov: I was thinking about it because in some ways it seems nicer, and less indirection
  37. # [04:04] <@surkov> tbsaunde: we can do more tight integration between a11y and layout I think
  38. # [04:05] <@surkov> service is just a layer and we could get rid it
  39. # [04:05] <@surkov> thin layer
  40. # [04:05] <tbsaunde> surkov: ok, that's more why I was suggesting it :)
  41. # [04:05] <@surkov> :)
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  43. # [04:10] <tbsaunde> surkov: ok, patch coming up, hope you like :)
  44. # [04:12] <@firebot> gavin.sharp@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 736837 from REOPENED to RESOLVED.
  45. # [04:12] <@firebot> gavin.sharp@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 736837 to WONTFIX.
  46. # [04:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736837 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, HTML accesskeys in web pages don't work anymore on Mac OS X (CTRL+key)
  47. # [04:13] <@surkov> tbsaunde: thanks
  48. # [04:13] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 777603 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
  49. # [04:13] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gmail.com for attachment 645992 on bug 777603.
  50. # [04:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=777603 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, move some nsAccessibilityService methods into layout/
  51. # [04:20] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 777606 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
  52. # [04:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=777606 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, consider reducing number of ways to shutdown a doc accessible
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  61. # [06:23] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from dholbert@mozilla.co m for attachment 645992 on bug 777603.
  62. # [06:23] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested superreview from roc@ocallahan. org for attachment 645992 on bug 777603.
  63. # [06:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=777603 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, move some nsAccessibilityService methods into layout/
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  69. # [07:29] <@hub> tbsaunde: I like your use of 302 for comment redirection in bugzilla
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  80. # [14:22] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 776912 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  81. # [14:22] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 776912 to FIXED.
  82. # [14:22] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 776912 from --- to mozilla17.
  83. # [14:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=776912 nor, --, mozilla17, nobody, RESO FIXED, DocAccessibleWrap nullptr related build error with vc11
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  93. # [15:07] <@davidb> heyo
  94. # [15:33] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 777695 filed by scoobidiver@netcourrier.com.
  95. # [15:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=777695 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in nsAccCaretMoveEvent::~nsAccCaretMoveEvent on Honeycomb
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  109. # [16:41] <@davidb> tbsaunde: the q3 perf measures could be telemetry (in the wild) measures - probably preferably right?
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  112. # [17:16] <tbsaunde> davidb: sure
  113. # [17:18] <@davidb> tbsaunde: does atk have an official active-descendant-changed event?
  114. # [17:24] <tbsaunde> davidb: don't think so? I'd need to check
  115. # [17:24] <@davidb> ok i had some google hits but don't think anything official
  116. # [17:24] * tbsaunde realizes he doesn't have an atk or at-spi tree around and fixes
  117. # [17:25] <tbsaunde> davidb: isn't active decendant supposed to effect focus anyway?
  118. # [17:26] <tbsaunde> I know I'm rehashing stuff, but if any element can be focused why can't the author just focus the thing themselves
  119. # [17:26] <@davidb> i'm not the right person to argue against you here.
  120. # [17:26] <@davidb> you sound like me
  121. # [17:27] <@davidb> i hear arguments about enormous spreadsheets and not wanting tab index=0 on everything
  122. # [17:27] <@davidb> or tabindex=-1
  123. # [17:28] <tbsaunde> davidb: sounds silly, but ok
  124. # [17:29] <tbsaunde> davidb: turns out there is one from atk-adapter/event.c in at-spi2-atk add_signal_listener (active_descendant_event_listener,
  125. # [17:29] <tbsaunde> "Gtk:AtkObject:active-descendant-changed");
  126. # [17:29] <@davidb> tbsaunde: so what should i call that in spec speak? object:active-descendant-changed?
  127. # [17:29] <@davidb> also, do we first that currently?
  128. # [17:29] <@davidb> (i think not)
  129. # [17:31] <tbsaunde> davidb: yeah, I'd call it object:active-descendant-changed
  130. # [17:31] <@davidb> ok
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  132. # [17:32] <tbsaunde> davidb: yeah, pretty sure we don't fire it
  133. # [17:33] <tbsaunde> it looks like the atk to handle it might be sort of broken too, it passes the index of the descendant which makes me think there's an assumption somewhere that the active-descendant is a direct descendant of the focused thing
  134. # [17:34] <@davidb> i wish active descendant would diaf
  135. # [17:34] <tbsaunde> davidb: haha
  136. # [17:35] <tbsaunde> davidb: fwiw I don't thing we fire the ia2 active descendant changed event either since we don't seem to ever fire nsIAccessibleEvent::EVENT_ACTIVE_DESCENDANT_CHANGED
  137. # [17:35] <@davidb> oh
  138. # [17:37] <@davidb> i think we should remove the requirement since focus is actually the useful event.
  139. # [17:37] * @davidb sends note
  140. # [17:38] <tbsaunde> davidb: so, as far as at is concerned active-descendant wouldn't exist?
  141. # [17:39] <@davidb> right
  142. # [17:39] <tbsaunde> and we'd translate focus + active descendant to focus?
  143. # [17:39] <@davidb> we already do
  144. # [17:39] <tbsaunde> davidb: sgtm
  145. # [17:39] * @davidb nods
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  147. # [17:39] <tbsaunde> davidb: yeah
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  150. # [18:28] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 777752 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  151. # [18:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=777752 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Disable EBT in Aurora for Jelly Bean
  152. # [18:32] <@hub> eeejay: and we leave it on, it crashes?
  153. # [18:32] <@eeejay> hub, ebt?
  154. # [18:32] <@hub> yeah
  155. # [18:33] <@eeejay> hub, no. it is just very unusable.
  156. # [18:33] <@hub> ah ok
  157. # [18:34] <@eeejay> hub, i have a patch for nightly that makes it work well. but it requires updating the sdk version on the buildbots, so i don't think we could get it approved for aurora
  158. # [18:35] <@hub> yeah I understand
  159. # [18:35] * @davidb nods
  160. # [18:48] <@hub> btw these crashes on Honeycomb with AccEvent, I have a feeling that they are related
  161. # [18:48] <@hub> eeejay: do you have an Android 3.1 tablet?
  162. # [18:49] <@eeejay> hub, no
  163. # [18:49] <@eeejay> hub, i guess i could revert the galaxy tab 10.1
  164. # [18:49] <@hub> that's one of the hardware reported for the crasj
  165. # [18:51] <@eeejay> hm, should probably do that
  166. # [18:51] <@eeejay> not near one now though
  167. # [19:05] <tbsaunde> davidb: have time to grab the crash dump for one or both of those android crashes?
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  171. # [20:31] <jimm> tbsaunde: ping
  172. # [20:31] <tbsaunde> jimm: hi
  173. # [20:31] <jimm> hey, got a sec?
  174. # [20:32] <tbsaunde> sure
  175. # [20:33] <tbsaunde> jimm: what's up?
  176. # [20:33] <jimm> I was looking at the msdn doc on implementing IAccessibleEx here - http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd561900(v=vs.85).aspx
  177. # [20:34] <jimm> AccessibleWrap creates a fresh object for IAccessibleEx. but it doesn't support IRawElementProviderSimple.
  178. # [20:34] <jimm> wondering if AccessibleWrap needs to support simple element as well.
  179. # [20:35] <tbsaunde> jimm: so, the object providing IAccessibleEx also supports IRawProviderElementSimple
  180. # [20:36] <tbsaunde> jimm: so, you can QueryService for IAccessibleEx then QI that to IRawElementProviderSimple
  181. # [20:36] <tbsaunde> let me finsih reading your link
  182. # [20:37] <jimm> wondering if AccessibleWrap (which supports IAccessible I believe as the root element in the tree) also needs to support IRawElementProviderSimple. The msdn docs state that all IAccessible objects need to support IRawElementProviderSimple.
  183. # [20:39] <jimm> I think the client would try to query for IRawElementProviderSimple on AccessibleWrap, but I don't know for sure. I haven't finished hooking everything up to metro to see what happens. :)
  184. # [20:41] <tbsaunde> jimm: ok
  185. # [20:42] <tbsaunde> jimm: on the other hand it specifically says IAccessibleEx can be implemented on its own object
  186. # [20:42] <jimm> yeah it's not clear.
  187. # [20:43] <tbsaunde> jimm: but I don't see why AccessibleWrap::QI can't create the tear off if asked for a IRawElementProviderSimple
  188. # [20:43] <tbsaunde> should be a trivial little patch
  189. # [20:44] <jimm> just curious, like I said I don't know the answer. if this gets in the way I'll look into implementing it.
  190. # [20:45] <jimm> tbsaunde: inspect seems to be able to navigate the fx desktop tree just fine using uia, so maybe it's not needed.
  191. # [20:49] <tbsaunde> jimm: ok
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  193. # [20:49] <jimm> hmm seems to be able to do that even when our uia pref is set to false.
  194. # [20:50] <jimm> maybe that doesn't mean anything.
  195. # [20:50] <@davidb> it might use a proxy
  196. # [20:50] <jimm> I wish inspect was being honest about what it finds.
  197. # [20:50] <tbsaunde> jimm: ok
  198. # [20:50] <@davidb> jimm: i can give you an MS contact
  199. # [20:51] <@davidb> lemmie know
  200. # [20:51] <jimm> davidb: not really needed at this point, I've just started poking at this.
  201. # [20:52] <@davidb> ok
  202. # [20:52] <jimm> but ta, will let you know if I do.
  203. # [20:56] <@davidb> thank you!
  204. # [20:56] <@davidb> ok gotta do my thursday juggle. back on for a meeting in about an hour, then off, then on etc
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  208. # [21:17] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org set status-firefox16 to affected on bug 777752.
  209. # [21:17] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=777752 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Disable EBT in Aurora for Jelly Bean
  210. # [21:17] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 646173 on bug 777752.
  211. # [21:18] <@eeejay> what is the drill for landing a patch directly in aurora?
  212. # [21:18] <@hub> eeejay: need to get approval
  213. # [21:19] <@hub> once you do, just check it in
  214. # [21:19] <@hub> eeejay: use bugzilla to request approval
  215. # [21:19] <@hub> you also need the r+ :-)
  216. # [21:19] <@eeejay> hub, typically i land on mc first, but i need a patch in aurora directly
  217. # [21:19] <@eeejay> not in mc
  218. # [21:20] <@hub> yep that mean you need to land in aurora
  219. # [21:20] <@hub> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=646173&action=edit <- approval-mozilla-aurora
  220. # [21:21] <@hub> ssh://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-aurora/ <- aurora push
  221. # [21:21] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 646253 on bug 773749.
  222. # [21:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=773749 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] In Jelly Bean, double-tapping to activate an item does not work in web content
  223. # [21:31] <@eeejay> hub, cool. thanks
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  228. # [22:32] <@firebot> karlt@mozbugz.karlt.net changed the Component on bug 777739 from Widget: Gtk to Disability Access APIs.
  229. # [22:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=777739 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, gsignal.c:3393: signal name `load_complete' is invalid for instance `0x7f396804abf0'
  230. # [22:37] <@hub> ok, airlines, I hate you
  231. # [22:39] <@hub> why can't I have a nice direct flight, not red eye, and does not leave at an umentionable hour when there is no transit
  232. # [22:39] <@hub> (no NEVER I will take a cab in this city. NEVER)
  233. # [22:40] <@hub> eeejay: enjoy camping
  234. # [22:48] <@hub> so staying overnight friday night save or airfare a good deal
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  236. # [22:50] <@davidb> hub: is this for the work week?
  237. # [22:51] <@hub> yeah
  238. # [22:55] * Parts: clown (clown@67828CC7.C1A51174.9D42CF23.IP)
  239. # [22:55] <@hub> wiki updated
  240. # [22:57] <@davidb> hub: ouch
  241. # [23:00] <@hub> what?
  242. # [23:00] * Joins: scott_gonzalez (scott_gonz@moz-BAADF108.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net)
  243. # [23:00] <@hub> 1:24AM? I did that last time, and far better than a red eye to me
  244. # [23:00] <@davidb> ok
  245. # [23:01] <@hub> other option includes take off at 6:00AM. No thanks.
  246. # [23:01] <@davidb> i guess you can get to sleep around 2:30am
  247. # [23:01] <@hub> yeah
  248. # [23:01] <@davidb> ok gotta go ask for a bit
  249. # [23:01] <@hub> last time I hit the sack at 2 AM
  250. # [23:01] <@davidb> ask/afk
  251. # [23:01] <@davidb> kewl
  252. # [23:01] * Quits: @davidb (davidb@moz-34735081.dsl.bell.ca) (Quit: davidb)
  253. # [23:15] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 776081 from RESOLVED to REOPENED.
  254. # [23:15] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cleared the Resolution 'FIXED' from bug 776081.
  255. # [23:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=776081 nor, --, mozilla17, trev.saunders, REOP, telemetry for a11y updating time
  256. # [23:17] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from nfroyd@mozilla.com for attachment 646328 on bug 776081.
  257. # [23:19] <@firebot> nfroyd@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 646328 on bug 776081.
  258. # [23:45] * Quits: victorporof (victorporo@239ACCE7.B7DD870C.79933D60.IP) (Quit: Leaving...)
  259. # [23:56] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
  260. # Session Close: Fri Jul 27 00:00:00 2012

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