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  28. # [04:22] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested feedback from trev.saunders@gma il.com for attachment 653186 on bug 779520.
  29. # [04:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=779520 enh, --, ---, michaljev, NEW, Merge Accessible::Init into constructor
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  43. # [07:16] <fxa> surkov, are you there ?
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  45. # [07:27] <@surkov> fxa, I am
  46. # [07:35] <fxa> do you know what is going on here ? this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=767755
  47. # [07:35] <@firebot> Bug 767755 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Re-implement IsPrimaryForNode() using an Accessible::mFlags bit
  48. # [07:35] <fxa> brb going work
  49. # [07:39] <@surkov> let me look
  50. # [07:39] <@surkov> it's hard to say, I'll ask in the bug
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  52. # [07:58] <@firebot> bmcbride@mozilla.com denied review for attachment 652168 on bug 492557.
  53. # [07:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=492557 nor, --, ---, hobinjk, ASSI, Create a keyboard shortcut HUD
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  58. # [09:11] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 652554 on bug 783372.
  59. # [09:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=783372 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, use HyperTextAccessible directly in atk{,Ediatable}Text impl
  60. # [09:16] <tbsaunde|afk> surkov: hey
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  62. # [09:17] <@surkov> hey, tbsaunde
  63. # [09:18] <tbsaunde> surkov: anything interesting up?
  64. # [09:19] <@surkov> nah, it doesn't look so
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  67. # [09:20] <tbsaunde> surkov: ok, are you back to working on stuff or just reviewing?
  68. # [09:21] <@surkov> tbsaunde: something in the middle, still trying to flush my emails queue
  69. # [09:21] <tbsaunde> surkov: I see, sounds like a huge queue then
  70. # [09:22] <@surkov> over 1000
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  77. # [10:56] <tbsaunde> surkov: so, if you dislike doign so muh in layout what do you prefer?
  78. # [10:58] <@surkov> tbsaunde: maybe move those stuffs from accservice to doc accessible?
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  80. # [10:58] <@marcoz> Good morning!
  81. # [10:59] <tbsaunde> morning marcoz
  82. # [11:00] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: Morning Trevor! :)
  83. # [11:00] <tbsaunde> surkov: I'm not entirely convinced I like keeping around the abstraction, but I guess I'll look at it if you insist
  84. # [11:01] <@surkov> tbsaunde: maybe I'm not just ready to this kind of expansion to layout :)
  85. # [11:01] <tbsaunde> marcoz: I'll probably head to the office ~06:30 since I'm awke anyway
  86. # [11:02] <tbsaunde> surkov: ok, that's fine with me if there's a nicer alternative
  87. # [11:02] <@surkov> I like the idea of black box, just everything is inside
  88. # [11:02] <@surkov> otherwise it will tight integration with layout
  89. # [11:02] <@surkov> at minimum this is very new for us
  90. # [11:03] <@surkov> and one day that should mean either we should export everything or those layout/content/etc parts should keep local includes
  91. # [11:04] <@surkov> of a11y files
  92. # [11:04] <@surkov> like we do
  93. # [11:05] <tbsaunde> surkov: would local includes make you happier than exports?
  94. # [11:06] <tbsaunde> layout / content local including a11y stuff seems sort of reasonable to me, but dealing with pltform specific dirs sort of sucks for that
  95. # [11:08] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: I want to catch some breakfast here at the hotel, I'm one of those types who needs a good breakfast to start the day, and breakfast is from 6:30 or so onwards only. Also, I need to get the dog walked and fed as well. I aim to be at the office between 8 and 8:30.
  96. # [11:09] <tbsaunde> marcoz: ok :)
  97. # [11:09] * tbsaunde usually just eats at the office
  98. # [11:12] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: There was no mention of catered breakfast at the office. So I thought there is none this time.
  99. # [11:13] <tbsaunde> marcoz: I'm not sure about that, but there's always cerial / granola bars which wfm
  100. # [11:13] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: Ah, nope, those don't WFM. :)
  101. # [11:23] <@surkov> tbsaunde: well, local includes would be closer to what you do, i.e. move a11y logic into other parts of gecko but I would prefer simple inlines on document accessible
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  103. # [11:25] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 783972 filed by jamie@nvaccess.org.
  104. # [11:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=783972 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Don't expose selectable state on table cells that aren't likely to be selected
  105. # [11:27] <Jamie> Yeah, sorry about that bug, it's a bit confusing...
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  114. # [12:12] <@firebot> matt.woodrow@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 739671 from RESOLVED to REOPENED.
  115. # [12:12] <@firebot> matt.woodrow@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 739671 from Layout to Keyboard: Navigation.
  116. # [12:12] <@firebot> matt.woodrow@gmail.com cleared the Resolution 'FIXED' from bug 739671.
  117. # [12:13] <@firebot> matt.woodrow@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 739671 from mozilla16 to mozilla15.
  118. # [12:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739671 nor, --, mozilla15, nobody, REOP, Order of ColorLayers is reversed every paint
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  124. # [13:23] <@firebot> dao@mozilla.com changed the Component on bug 739671 from Keyboard: Navigation to Layout.
  125. # [13:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739671 nor, --, ---, matt.woodrow, REOP, Order of ColorLayers is reversed every paint
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  134. # [14:06] <@marcoz> Heading over to the office in 5 minutes. See you!
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  141. # [14:29] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: Hi, you at the office yet? I'm sitting on a couch by a window near the entrance.
  142. # [14:29] <tbsaunde> marcoz: yeah, at a near davidb's
  143. # [14:29] <tbsaunde> *desk near davidb's
  144. # [14:30] <tbsaunde> marcoz: do you need to be let in?
  145. # [14:31] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: No, I'm already inside the office. My key card worked fine. I just don't think I've still got my bearings. :)
  146. # [14:31] <tbsaunde> marcoz: ah
  147. # [14:31] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: Like I said, I found a couch near the entrynce, to the left of the door I came in through, and it's near a window. The window is behind me.
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  160. # [15:42] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 653003 on bug 781090.
  161. # [15:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=781090 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Firefox no longer responds to Spectacle's keyboard shortcuts to resize application windows
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  167. # [15:50] <@davidb> hi surkov!
  168. # [15:50] <@surkov> hi, davidb
  169. # [16:00] <tbsaunde> surkov: so, I think I see an issue with bug 779520
  170. # [16:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=779520 enh, --, ---, michaljev, NEW, Merge Accessible::Init into constructor
  171. # [16:01] <tbsaunde> XULTreeItemAccessible() wants to compute the name in the constructor which means it wants to make a virtual call to one of its own virtual functions during its constructor
  172. # [16:01] <tbsaunde> which I believe is "ok" so long as nobody ever adds a class that inherits nsXULTreeItemAccessible and expects mName to be reasonable
  173. # [16:02] <tbsaunde> oh, I guess it might be fine if inherits just so long as they don't override the Name() in XULTreeItemAccessible and expect XULTreeItemAccessible's constructor to call it
  174. # [16:05] <tbsaunde> surkov: but what ever exactly will work I'd say its living a bit on the dangerious side, though liberal use of final might make it acceptable
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  182. # [16:48] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested approval-mozilla-aurora from the wind for attachment 653003 on bug 781090.
  183. # [16:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=781090 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Firefox no longer responds to Spectacle's keyboard shortcuts to resize application windows
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  189. # [17:02] <ravib> hi guys where can i find the documentation for accessibility mldule..
  190. # [17:02] <ravib> module*
  191. # [17:03] <@davidb> ravib: great question!
  192. # [17:03] <@davidb> ravib: we have some older documentation...
  193. # [17:03] <ravib> can u pls provide me the link
  194. # [17:04] <@davidb> i'm looking right now :)
  195. # [17:06] <@davidb> ravib: it appears the docs are so old that a lot of links to them are broken. Unforunately, your best bet is to learn as you go. Are you interested in fixing bugs?
  196. # [17:08] <ravib> ya i am working on one ....
  197. # [17:08] <ravib> but i am going no where,,,
  198. # [17:08] <ravib> bug no : 767755
  199. # [17:11] <@davidb> ravib: i recommend cloning inbound hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/ inbound-src
  200. # [17:11] <@davidb> and then make sure you can build
  201. # [17:11] <@davidb> ravib: we link to instructions from here https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Contribute
  202. # [17:14] <ravib> how is different from cloning mozilla-central....
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  206. # [17:18] <@davidb> ravib: we land patches on inbound, so it is is just easier to work from that codebase. if you want to work from central that is okay but things can get slightly out of sync.
  207. # [17:18] <ravib> k cool i will do that ...
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  209. # [17:19] <ravib> but can u tell me wat exactly is bug no : 767755 is all about ??
  210. # [17:20] <tbsaunde> ravib: make IsPrimaryForNode() faster, read the description
  211. # [17:21] <ravib> where is the description ??
  212. # [17:22] <tbsaunde> ravib: read comment 2
  213. # [17:23] <ravib> ya it says add eIsPrimaryForNode flag .. but what should it be set to ???
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  215. # [17:24] <tbsaunde> ravib: nothing look at the existing flags there
  216. # [17:29] <ravib> " eIsDefunct = 1 << 2, // accessible is defunct eIsNotInDocument = 1 << 3 " this is how they are set.....
  217. # [17:35] <tbsaunde> ravib: oh, that make it 1 << one higher than the last one
  218. # [17:37] <tbsaunde> ravib: and adjust the type flags just below it
  219. # [17:37] <tbsaunde> so there is room
  220. # [17:37] <ravib> k wat does it mean actually ??
  221. # [17:38] <tbsaunde> ravib: they're just indices into a 32 bit int used to store bit flags
  222. # [17:38] <@davidb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_field
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  225. # [17:51] <fxa90id_> tbsaunde, hi ;>
  226. # [17:51] <fxa90id_> I see you was talking about bug ;>
  227. # [17:51] <fxa90id_> 779520
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  236. # [18:34] <@davidb> eeejay: here? http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/b2g/nightly/latest-mozilla-central/
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  242. # [19:38] <@davidb> tbsaunde: http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/4554
  243. # [19:39] <@davidb> they didn't paste marcoz's reaction with was ROTFLMAO
  244. # [19:46] <@davidb> eeejay: for now maybe an alternative https://toronto.bixi.com/
  245. # [19:51] <@firebot> ayg@aryeh.name requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 653186 on bug 779520.
  246. # [19:51] <@firebot> ayg@aryeh.name granted feedback for attachment 653186 on bug 779520.
  247. # [19:51] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=779520 enh, --, ---, michaljev, NEW, Merge Accessible::Init into constructor
  248. # [19:52] <@davidb> marcoz: i like your post to dev planning sir
  249. # [19:54] <@marcoz> davidb: Thank you!
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  257. # [20:43] <@davidb> tbsaunde: what am i missing?
  258. # [20:48] <tbsaunde> davidb: ?
  259. # [20:49] <@davidb> tbsaunde: oh you were chuckling when i sent that
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  261. # [20:53] <tbsaunde> davidb: oh, I was reading the C++ fqa a few minutes ago
  262. # [20:53] <@davidb> heh ok
  263. # [20:53] <tbsaunde> which is pretty amusing if you've never read it
  264. # [20:54] <@davidb> i'll put it in my queue
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  266. # [20:55] <@hub> yeah the fqa is hiularious
  267. # [20:56] <@hub> and informative
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  270. # [21:12] <ravic> davidb: what does that eisprimarynode indicate ?? and isnt this code documented ??
  271. # [21:13] <tbsaunde> ravic: if the accessible is the primary accessible for that dom node
  272. # [21:14] <tbsaunde> ravic: I'm not sure that particular method is documented
  273. # [21:15] <ravic> tbsaunde: thanks for that ... and shld i set the bit field to 21 as it need to be in sync with other flags....
  274. # [21:17] <tbsaunde> ravic: no it should be 3 I think and then shift the others down
  275. # [21:18] <ravic> so then shld i have to edit the code for mflags ??
  276. # [21:18] <tbsaunde> davidb: http://paste.debian.net/184783/ rs? for bug 766112
  277. # [21:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=766112 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Intermittent accessible/events/test_docload.xul | uncaught JS exception - TypeError: currentTabDocum
  278. # [21:18] * @davidb looks
  279. # [21:19] <@davidb> tbsaunde: r+
  280. # [21:20] <@davidb> that's going to make logs very big for a while
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  283. # [21:25] <tbsaunde> davidb: sort of true, but I think there is what amounts to standing r=surkov on it for orange tests
  284. # [21:25] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i don't grok what you are saying
  285. # [21:29] <tbsaunde> davidb: I mean I believe the last time I ask surkov to review turning on event logging for a failing test it he told me to not bother and just turn it on
  286. # [21:29] <@davidb> fair enough
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  290. # [21:55] <fxa90id_> :-)
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  298. # [22:46] <icaaq> If I have a categories list (ul > li > a) and these categories can be selected and the selected ones filter out the collection of other items (news posts). Is it appropriate to use aria-selected="true" on the links in this case?
  299. # [22:54] <@marcoz> icaaq: It definitely is.
  300. # [22:55] <@marcoz> icaaq: true on the selected, false on the other items. I would suggest to not leave any of them without a value. And: Put the aria-selected on the a-tag, not the li-tag.
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  302. # [23:21] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 784162 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  303. # [23:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=784162 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Explore by touch in Android stopped working
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  342. # [23:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=772060 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Mac] After initial page load, first VoiceOver interaction with HTML content still very painfully sl
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