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- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [04:22] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested feedback from trev.saunders@gma il.com for attachment 653186 on bug 779520.
- # [04:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=779520 enh, --, ---, michaljev, NEW, Merge Accessible::Init into constructor
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- # [07:16] <fxa> surkov, are you there ?
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- # [07:27] <@surkov> fxa, I am
- # [07:35] <fxa> do you know what is going on here ? this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=767755
- # [07:35] <@firebot> Bug 767755 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Re-implement IsPrimaryForNode() using an Accessible::mFlags bit
- # [07:35] <fxa> brb going work
- # [07:39] <@surkov> let me look
- # [07:39] <@surkov> it's hard to say, I'll ask in the bug
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- # [07:58] <@firebot> bmcbride@mozilla.com denied review for attachment 652168 on bug 492557.
- # [07:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=492557 nor, --, ---, hobinjk, ASSI, Create a keyboard shortcut HUD
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- # [09:11] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 652554 on bug 783372.
- # [09:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=783372 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, use HyperTextAccessible directly in atk{,Ediatable}Text impl
- # [09:16] <tbsaunde|afk> surkov: hey
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- # [09:17] <@surkov> hey, tbsaunde
- # [09:18] <tbsaunde> surkov: anything interesting up?
- # [09:19] <@surkov> nah, it doesn't look so
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- # [09:20] <tbsaunde> surkov: ok, are you back to working on stuff or just reviewing?
- # [09:21] <@surkov> tbsaunde: something in the middle, still trying to flush my emails queue
- # [09:21] <tbsaunde> surkov: I see, sounds like a huge queue then
- # [09:22] <@surkov> over 1000
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- # [10:56] <tbsaunde> surkov: so, if you dislike doign so muh in layout what do you prefer?
- # [10:58] <@surkov> tbsaunde: maybe move those stuffs from accservice to doc accessible?
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- # [10:58] <@marcoz> Good morning!
- # [10:59] <tbsaunde> morning marcoz
- # [11:00] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: Morning Trevor! :)
- # [11:00] <tbsaunde> surkov: I'm not entirely convinced I like keeping around the abstraction, but I guess I'll look at it if you insist
- # [11:01] <@surkov> tbsaunde: maybe I'm not just ready to this kind of expansion to layout :)
- # [11:01] <tbsaunde> marcoz: I'll probably head to the office ~06:30 since I'm awke anyway
- # [11:02] <tbsaunde> surkov: ok, that's fine with me if there's a nicer alternative
- # [11:02] <@surkov> I like the idea of black box, just everything is inside
- # [11:02] <@surkov> otherwise it will tight integration with layout
- # [11:02] <@surkov> at minimum this is very new for us
- # [11:03] <@surkov> and one day that should mean either we should export everything or those layout/content/etc parts should keep local includes
- # [11:04] <@surkov> of a11y files
- # [11:04] <@surkov> like we do
- # [11:05] <tbsaunde> surkov: would local includes make you happier than exports?
- # [11:06] <tbsaunde> layout / content local including a11y stuff seems sort of reasonable to me, but dealing with pltform specific dirs sort of sucks for that
- # [11:08] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: I want to catch some breakfast here at the hotel, I'm one of those types who needs a good breakfast to start the day, and breakfast is from 6:30 or so onwards only. Also, I need to get the dog walked and fed as well. I aim to be at the office between 8 and 8:30.
- # [11:09] <tbsaunde> marcoz: ok :)
- # [11:09] * tbsaunde usually just eats at the office
- # [11:12] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: There was no mention of catered breakfast at the office. So I thought there is none this time.
- # [11:13] <tbsaunde> marcoz: I'm not sure about that, but there's always cerial / granola bars which wfm
- # [11:13] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: Ah, nope, those don't WFM. :)
- # [11:23] <@surkov> tbsaunde: well, local includes would be closer to what you do, i.e. move a11y logic into other parts of gecko but I would prefer simple inlines on document accessible
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- # [11:25] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 783972 filed by jamie@nvaccess.org.
- # [11:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=783972 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Don't expose selectable state on table cells that aren't likely to be selected
- # [11:27] <Jamie> Yeah, sorry about that bug, it's a bit confusing...
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- # [12:12] <@firebot> matt.woodrow@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 739671 from RESOLVED to REOPENED.
- # [12:12] <@firebot> matt.woodrow@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 739671 from Layout to Keyboard: Navigation.
- # [12:12] <@firebot> matt.woodrow@gmail.com cleared the Resolution 'FIXED' from bug 739671.
- # [12:13] <@firebot> matt.woodrow@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 739671 from mozilla16 to mozilla15.
- # [12:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739671 nor, --, mozilla15, nobody, REOP, Order of ColorLayers is reversed every paint
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- # [13:23] <@firebot> dao@mozilla.com changed the Component on bug 739671 from Keyboard: Navigation to Layout.
- # [13:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739671 nor, --, ---, matt.woodrow, REOP, Order of ColorLayers is reversed every paint
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- # [14:06] <@marcoz> Heading over to the office in 5 minutes. See you!
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- # [14:29] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: Hi, you at the office yet? I'm sitting on a couch by a window near the entrance.
- # [14:29] <tbsaunde> marcoz: yeah, at a near davidb's
- # [14:29] <tbsaunde> *desk near davidb's
- # [14:30] <tbsaunde> marcoz: do you need to be let in?
- # [14:31] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: No, I'm already inside the office. My key card worked fine. I just don't think I've still got my bearings. :)
- # [14:31] <tbsaunde> marcoz: ah
- # [14:31] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: Like I said, I found a couch near the entrynce, to the left of the door I came in through, and it's near a window. The window is behind me.
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- # [15:42] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 653003 on bug 781090.
- # [15:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=781090 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Firefox no longer responds to Spectacle's keyboard shortcuts to resize application windows
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- # [15:50] <@davidb> hi surkov!
- # [15:50] <@surkov> hi, davidb
- # [16:00] <tbsaunde> surkov: so, I think I see an issue with bug 779520
- # [16:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=779520 enh, --, ---, michaljev, NEW, Merge Accessible::Init into constructor
- # [16:01] <tbsaunde> XULTreeItemAccessible() wants to compute the name in the constructor which means it wants to make a virtual call to one of its own virtual functions during its constructor
- # [16:01] <tbsaunde> which I believe is "ok" so long as nobody ever adds a class that inherits nsXULTreeItemAccessible and expects mName to be reasonable
- # [16:02] <tbsaunde> oh, I guess it might be fine if inherits just so long as they don't override the Name() in XULTreeItemAccessible and expect XULTreeItemAccessible's constructor to call it
- # [16:05] <tbsaunde> surkov: but what ever exactly will work I'd say its living a bit on the dangerious side, though liberal use of final might make it acceptable
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- # [16:48] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested approval-mozilla-aurora from the wind for attachment 653003 on bug 781090.
- # [16:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=781090 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Firefox no longer responds to Spectacle's keyboard shortcuts to resize application windows
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- # [17:02] <ravib> hi guys where can i find the documentation for accessibility mldule..
- # [17:02] <ravib> module*
- # [17:03] <@davidb> ravib: great question!
- # [17:03] <@davidb> ravib: we have some older documentation...
- # [17:03] <ravib> can u pls provide me the link
- # [17:04] <@davidb> i'm looking right now :)
- # [17:06] <@davidb> ravib: it appears the docs are so old that a lot of links to them are broken. Unforunately, your best bet is to learn as you go. Are you interested in fixing bugs?
- # [17:08] <ravib> ya i am working on one ....
- # [17:08] <ravib> but i am going no where,,,
- # [17:08] <ravib> bug no : 767755
- # [17:11] <@davidb> ravib: i recommend cloning inbound hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/ inbound-src
- # [17:11] <@davidb> and then make sure you can build
- # [17:11] <@davidb> ravib: we link to instructions from here https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Contribute
- # [17:14] <ravib> how is different from cloning mozilla-central....
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- # [17:18] <@davidb> ravib: we land patches on inbound, so it is is just easier to work from that codebase. if you want to work from central that is okay but things can get slightly out of sync.
- # [17:18] <ravib> k cool i will do that ...
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- # [17:19] <ravib> but can u tell me wat exactly is bug no : 767755 is all about ??
- # [17:20] <tbsaunde> ravib: make IsPrimaryForNode() faster, read the description
- # [17:21] <ravib> where is the description ??
- # [17:22] <tbsaunde> ravib: read comment 2
- # [17:23] <ravib> ya it says add eIsPrimaryForNode flag .. but what should it be set to ???
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- # [17:24] <tbsaunde> ravib: nothing look at the existing flags there
- # [17:29] <ravib> " eIsDefunct = 1 << 2, // accessible is defunct eIsNotInDocument = 1 << 3 " this is how they are set.....
- # [17:35] <tbsaunde> ravib: oh, that make it 1 << one higher than the last one
- # [17:37] <tbsaunde> ravib: and adjust the type flags just below it
- # [17:37] <tbsaunde> so there is room
- # [17:37] <ravib> k wat does it mean actually ??
- # [17:38] <tbsaunde> ravib: they're just indices into a 32 bit int used to store bit flags
- # [17:38] <@davidb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_field
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- # [17:51] <fxa90id_> tbsaunde, hi ;>
- # [17:51] <fxa90id_> I see you was talking about bug ;>
- # [17:51] <fxa90id_> 779520
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- # [18:34] <@davidb> eeejay: here? http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/b2g/nightly/latest-mozilla-central/
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- # [19:38] <@davidb> tbsaunde: http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/4554
- # [19:39] <@davidb> they didn't paste marcoz's reaction with was ROTFLMAO
- # [19:46] <@davidb> eeejay: for now maybe an alternative https://toronto.bixi.com/
- # [19:51] <@firebot> ayg@aryeh.name requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 653186 on bug 779520.
- # [19:51] <@firebot> ayg@aryeh.name granted feedback for attachment 653186 on bug 779520.
- # [19:51] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=779520 enh, --, ---, michaljev, NEW, Merge Accessible::Init into constructor
- # [19:52] <@davidb> marcoz: i like your post to dev planning sir
- # [19:54] <@marcoz> davidb: Thank you!
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- # [20:43] <@davidb> tbsaunde: what am i missing?
- # [20:48] <tbsaunde> davidb: ?
- # [20:49] <@davidb> tbsaunde: oh you were chuckling when i sent that
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- # [20:53] <tbsaunde> davidb: oh, I was reading the C++ fqa a few minutes ago
- # [20:53] <@davidb> heh ok
- # [20:53] <tbsaunde> which is pretty amusing if you've never read it
- # [20:54] <@davidb> i'll put it in my queue
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- # [20:55] <@hub> yeah the fqa is hiularious
- # [20:56] <@hub> and informative
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- # [21:12] <ravic> davidb: what does that eisprimarynode indicate ?? and isnt this code documented ??
- # [21:13] <tbsaunde> ravic: if the accessible is the primary accessible for that dom node
- # [21:14] <tbsaunde> ravic: I'm not sure that particular method is documented
- # [21:15] <ravic> tbsaunde: thanks for that ... and shld i set the bit field to 21 as it need to be in sync with other flags....
- # [21:17] <tbsaunde> ravic: no it should be 3 I think and then shift the others down
- # [21:18] <ravic> so then shld i have to edit the code for mflags ??
- # [21:18] <tbsaunde> davidb: http://paste.debian.net/184783/ rs? for bug 766112
- # [21:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=766112 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Intermittent accessible/events/test_docload.xul | uncaught JS exception - TypeError: currentTabDocum
- # [21:18] * @davidb looks
- # [21:19] <@davidb> tbsaunde: r+
- # [21:20] <@davidb> that's going to make logs very big for a while
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- # [21:25] <tbsaunde> davidb: sort of true, but I think there is what amounts to standing r=surkov on it for orange tests
- # [21:25] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i don't grok what you are saying
- # [21:29] <tbsaunde> davidb: I mean I believe the last time I ask surkov to review turning on event logging for a failing test it he told me to not bother and just turn it on
- # [21:29] <@davidb> fair enough
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- # [21:55] <fxa90id_> :-)
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- # [22:46] <icaaq> If I have a categories list (ul > li > a) and these categories can be selected and the selected ones filter out the collection of other items (news posts). Is it appropriate to use aria-selected="true" on the links in this case?
- # [22:54] <@marcoz> icaaq: It definitely is.
- # [22:55] <@marcoz> icaaq: true on the selected, false on the other items. I would suggest to not leave any of them without a value. And: Put the aria-selected on the a-tag, not the li-tag.
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- # [23:21] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 784162 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
- # [23:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=784162 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Explore by touch in Android stopped working
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- # [23:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=772060 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Mac] After initial page load, first VoiceOver interaction with HTML content still very painfully sl
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