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  21. # [02:47] <@marcoz> eeejay: The tree is open! \-O-/
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  24. # [02:48] <eeejay> marcoz, yup! i'm rebasing, building... and hopefully landing
  25. # [02:48] <eeejay> surkov, morning!
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  29. # [02:48] <@surkov> hi, eeejay
  30. # [02:48] <tbsaunde> surkov: hey
  31. # [02:49] <@surkov> hey, tbsaunde
  32. # [02:49] <tbsaunde> surkov: it occurs to me if we make the methods from nsAccessibilityService inline in DocAccessible.h we still have to export all the same stuff
  33. # [02:50] <@surkov> tbsaunde: if you do local includes then no
  34. # [02:50] <@surkov> but keep them in DocAccessible-inl.h
  35. # [02:50] <@surkov> I mean implementation and necessary includes
  36. # [02:52] <@marcoz> Hi surkov!
  37. # [02:52] <@marcoz> eeejay: Splendit!
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  40. # [02:57] <tbsaunde> surkov: I guess that sort of works, but I'm not exactly thrilled by the idea
  41. # [03:00] <tbsaunde> surkov: also, what are your thoughts on when we should say its ok to use ContentChildCount / ContentChildAt() ?
  42. # [03:00] <tbsaunde> surkov: I'm thinking that for example we could change the aria grid stuff to all just use ContentChild stuff
  43. # [03:00] <@surkov> tbsaunde: those are sort of hack, we should use them when necessary
  44. # [03:01] <@surkov> because they are inline?
  45. # [03:01] <@surkov> non virtual?
  46. # [03:01] <tbsaunde> surkov: both
  47. # [03:01] <tbsaunde> surkov: I agree with being kind of hack, but I wondering if maybe it makes sense to legitimize them a little
  48. # [03:02] <@surkov> actually they can be used everywhere but xultree
  49. # [03:02] <@surkov> I wouldn't do that now
  50. # [03:02] <tbsaunde> surkov: why?
  51. # [03:03] <@surkov> it should be a little bit faster but uglier
  52. # [03:03] <tbsaunde> surkov: uglier how?
  53. # [03:04] <@surkov> I mean code gets unclear
  54. # [03:04] <tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, I suppose
  55. # [03:05] <@surkov> maybe we could get ideas how to workaround xultrees to keep childCount/etc inline
  56. # [03:06] <tbsaunde> surkov: well, there's an obvious though not very nice way
  57. # [03:06] <@surkov> create them?
  58. # [03:07] <tbsaunde> if (IsXULTree()) return static_cast<XULTreeAccessible*>(this)->GetXULKidAt(i); return mChildren[i];
  59. # [03:08] <tbsaunde> its sort of a simpler version of the standard fake inheritance virtual function thing where you use an enum and switch on that
  60. # [03:09] <tbsaunde> surkov: it'd also be nice to see if we could do something with the embeded children stuff
  61. # [03:10] <@surkov> tbsaunde: it should work
  62. # [03:10] <tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, my question more was is that too ugly for us
  63. # [03:11] <@surkov> tbsaunde: it should be reasonable hack to workaround virtual methods slowness
  64. # [03:11] <tbsaunde> surkov: ok
  65. # [03:12] <@surkov> tbsaunde: and I'm happier than ContentChild stuffs legalizaiton
  66. # [03:13] <tbsaunde> surkov: what do you think of the idea of a "fake accessible" class that overrides methods like ApplicationAccessible, but allows other classes to inherit from it
  67. # [03:13] <tbsaunde> it seems like it might be useful for the plugin accessibles on windows, and the native root accessibles on linux
  68. # [03:14] <@surkov> to keep them in inheritance chain?
  69. # [03:14] <tbsaunde> surkov: not sure I understand question
  70. # [03:14] <@surkov> all those special classes will be inherited from that class?
  71. # [03:15] <@surkov> and all Accessible methods becomes safe when called on those special classes?
  72. # [03:15] <@surkov> tbsaunde: ^
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  74. # [03:16] <tbsaunde> surkov: correct
  75. # [03:16] <@surkov> sounds as a good way
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  77. # [03:16] <@surkov> though we could do another way
  78. # [03:17] <@surkov> the problem here there's no mContent on them
  79. # [03:17] <@surkov> normal accessible can be in the same state and not being defunct
  80. # [03:17] <@surkov> like document accessible (not now though)
  81. # [03:17] <@surkov> to keep those the same way we could handle this case on Accessible class
  82. # [03:18] <@surkov> we can go with flag on accessible I think
  83. # [03:19] <tbsaunde> surkov: flag that does what, and who has to check it when?
  84. # [03:19] <@surkov> tbsaunde: every method that is supposed to deal with mContent
  85. # [03:20] <@surkov> or we could go without flag :)
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  87. # [03:20] <@surkov> if we are in good shape about mContent correctness
  88. # [03:21] <@surkov> tbsaunde: that fake class should be ok but you need constantly change it when you change that Accessible
  89. # [03:21] <@surkov> but those native root accessible are special since they need different class
  90. # [03:22] <@surkov> I think I filed bug about check mContent in methods
  91. # [03:22] <tbsaunde> surkov: why do the native root accessible need a different class?
  92. # [03:22] <tbsaunde> surkov: also, not sure what you mean constantly need to change
  93. # [03:23] <@surkov> I though they are inherited from docaccessible, no?
  94. # [03:23] <@surkov> I meant when you add a new method to Accessible then you need add a safe version to fake class
  95. # [03:24] <@surkov> tbsaunde: ^
  96. # [03:27] <tbsaunde> surkov: they are, for no good
  97. # [03:27] <tbsaunde> reason I can see
  98. # [03:28] <tbsaunde> surkov: I don't think we add new methods to Accessible often, so maybe that isn't so bad as it is now atleast
  99. # [03:29] <@surkov> true
  100. # [03:29] <@surkov> but the same time we could go with more generic solutions
  101. # [03:30] <@surkov> since we need to support document accessibles with no mContnet
  102. # [03:30] <tbsaunde> surkov: true
  103. # [03:30] <tbsaunde> surkov: off topic, but when do you want to have doc accessible without content?
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  105. # [03:34] <@surkov> tbsaunde: once if it'll be safe :)
  106. # [03:36] <tbsaunde> surkov: I mean what do you want it for
  107. # [03:38] <@surkov> tbsaunde: we have bugs when there's no body at all or when body is replaced
  108. # [03:39] <tbsaunde> surkov: oh, hm I guess that makes sense
  109. # [03:39] <tbsaunde> surkov: how do we have content for that now though?
  110. # [03:40] <@surkov> tbsaunde: when no body then there's no content and document is not accessible
  111. # [03:40] <@surkov> when body goes away then we keep old body but it doesn't make sense
  112. # [03:40] <tbsaunde> surkov: oh, ok
  113. # [03:41] <tbsaunde> surkov: think we could move the embedded child stuff from accessible to hypertext accessible?
  114. # [03:42] <@surkov> tbsaunde: no, we need it for linux
  115. # [03:42] <tbsaunde> surkov: what exactly does it do? I'm not sure I get it
  116. # [03:43] <tbsaunde> surkov: or atleast why it can't do the same thing on hypertext accessible
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  118. # [03:44] <@firebot> lsblakk@mozilla.com set status-firefox17 to fixed on bug 783383.
  119. # [03:44] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=783383 cri, --, mozilla17, andrew.quartey, RESO FIXED, crash in nsBaseWidget::GetAccessible
  120. # [03:45] <@surkov> tbsaunde: we don't expose text leafs on atk, sometimes non hypertext acc contains text leafs
  121. # [03:45] <@surkov> we had a problem of dead accessibles
  122. # [03:48] <tbsaunde> surkov: why can't we just not create those accessible text leves in the first place?
  123. # [03:50] <tbsaunde> surkov: I guess we still use them internally for text computations?
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  125. # [04:01] <tbsaunde> surkov: ?
  126. # [04:08] <tbsaunde> surkov: anyway, I'm headed home, I might be around in a bit
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  146. # [08:06] <icaaq> marcoz: thanks for the response
  147. # [08:07] <@marcoz> icaaq: welcome!
  148. # [08:07] <icaaq> marcoz: in a navigation, would it help to put the selected page link to aria-selected=true as well?
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  157. # [09:36] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 653186 on bug 779520.
  158. # [09:36] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled feedback?(trev.saunders@gma il.com) for attachment 653186 on bug 779520.
  159. # [09:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=779520 enh, --, ---, michaljev, NEW, Merge Accessible::Init into constructor
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  178. # [11:28] <icaaq> marcoz: hope you got some sleep, did you see my question regarding aria-selected and it's use in a navigation?
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  199. # [14:32] <@marcoz> icaaq: Was there another question regarding aria-selected? I had replied to your question yesterday.
  200. # [14:32] <icaaq> marcoz: yes, just as you went back to bed… :)
  201. # [14:33] <icaaq> in a navigation, would it help to put the selected page link to aria-selected=true as well?
  202. # [14:36] <@marcoz> icaaq: Hm, I wouldn't link the selected page at all in the first place. :) But if you must, then yes, that's also appropriate.
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  214. # [15:42] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 781090 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  215. # [15:43] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk set the Resolution field on bug 781090 to FIXED.
  216. # [15:43] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 781090 from --- to Firefox 17.
  217. # [15:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=781090 nor, --, Firefox 17, hub, RESO FIXED, Firefox no longer responds to Spectacle's keyboard shortcuts to resize application windows
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  224. # [16:30] <@firebot> michaljev@o2.pl changed the Status on bug 779520 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  225. # [16:30] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=779520 enh, --, ---, michaljev, ASSI, Merge Accessible::Init into constructor
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  231. # [16:53] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 653520 on bug 772060.
  232. # [16:53] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=772060 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [Mac] After initial page load, first VoiceOver interaction with HTML content still very painfully sl
  233. # [16:54] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 653752 on bug 772060.
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  238. # [17:18] <@davidb> eeejay: http://www.banhmiboys.com/
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  240. # [17:20] <@davidb> http://www.banhmiboys.com/menu.htm
  241. # [17:35] <@davidb> eeejay, marcoz want to add something to https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/2012-08-21 ?
  242. # [17:36] <@davidb> sdk 16 for exmaple
  243. # [17:50] <eeejay> curios bug 780318
  244. # [17:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=780318 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, createEvent("touchevent"),timeStamp is in microseconds instead of milliseconds
  245. # [17:51] <@firebot> ioana.budnar@softvision.ro changed the Component on bug 783199 from Untriaged to Keyboard Navigation.
  246. # [17:51] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=783199 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, On OSX Mountain Lion, in Firefox Nightly, many keyboard shortcuts don't work at all
  247. # [17:57] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
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  252. # [18:29] <@firebot> virgil.dicu@softvision.ro changed the Component on bug 782699 from Untriaged to Keyboard Navigation.
  253. # [18:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=782699 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Command + Backspace not working
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  256. # [18:57] <@davidb> eeejay: we need to discuss the slider as page turner business (bug 783072)
  257. # [18:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=783072 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Support gesture scrolling and pages
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  259. # [19:34] <@firebot> edimoldovan@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 783199 from UNCONFIRMED to RESOLVED.
  260. # [19:34] <@firebot> edimoldovan@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 783199 to WONTFIX.
  261. # [19:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=783199 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, On OSX Mountain Lion, in Firefox Nightly, many keyboard shortcuts don't work at all
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  272. # [21:42] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 652201 on bug 783072.
  273. # [21:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=783072 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Support gesture scrolling and pages
  274. # [21:47] <@davidb> tbsaunde: did you check that event logging for that orange?
  275. # [21:47] <@davidb> i'm curious
  276. # [21:48] <tbsaunde> davidb: it blew up the failing case, so got backed out, I'm poking philer for logs
  277. # [21:48] <@davidb> blew up?
  278. # [21:49] <tbsaunde> as in when the test failed with loggin 10k tests failed or something crazy like that
  279. # [21:49] <tbsaunde> don't ask me how that can happen, I just don't know man
  280. # [21:51] <@davidb> ha!
  281. # [21:52] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Status on bug 783072 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  282. # [21:52] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org set the Resolution field on bug 783072 to FIXED.
  283. # [21:52] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Target Milestone on bug 783072 from --- to mozilla17.
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  285. # [22:22] <@davidb> hub: ever been here? http://www.lapalette.ca/
  286. # [22:24] <@davidb> perhaps more fun: http://www.yelp.ca/biz/downtown-echo-karaoke-box-toronto
  287. # [22:26] <@davidb> eeejay: ^
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  289. # [22:29] <@davidb> http://www.theofficepub.ca/karaoke_night.php
  290. # [22:37] <@marcoz> davidb: http://atag.accessiblemedia.at/2012/
  291. # [22:38] <@marcoz> davidb: They even have a lanyrd event created: http://lanyrd.com/2012/atag/
  292. # [22:38] <@davidb> english translation: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fatag.accessiblemedia.at%2F2012%2F&act=url
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